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Ordie
02-02-2010, 06:44 PM
AIG plans to pay about $100 million in bonuses Wednesday









By Brady Dennis (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/brady+dennis/)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 2, 2010; 6:27 PM

American International Group (http://financial.washingtonpost.com/custom/wpost/html-qcn.asp?dispnav=business&mwpage=qcn&symb=AIG&nav=el) plans Wednesday to pay another round of employee bonuses worth about $100 million, said several people familiar with the matter, a year after similar payments at the bailed-out insurance giant infuriated many Americans and inflamed Washington.
This week's retention payments will go only to employees at the company's Financial Products division who agreed recently to accept 10 to 20 percent less money than AIG had initially promised them years ago. In return, they are receiving their payments more than a month ahead of schedule.
The company is still scheduled to pay out tens of millions of dollars more in March, mostly to former employees who did not agree to the concessions.
AIG executives have been scrambling to hammer out a compromise before March 15, when the firm faces a deadline to pay nearly $200 million in bonuses to employees at Financial Products, the unit whose risky derivatives deals brought the insurer to the brink of collapse in 2008. Government and AIG officials have been eager to avoid a repeat of the public furor that erupted last March when an earlier round of payments -- worth $168 million -- went to the same set of employees.
People familiar with the negotiations said about 97 percent of current employees at Financial Products division agreed last week (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012904226.html) to forgo 10 percent of their upcoming bonus in return for early payment. Participation rates have remained far lower -- about 35 percent, two people said -- among former employees, who were asked to surrender 20 percent of their bonuses.
Gerry Pasciucco, who was hired after the bailout to run Financial Products and help dismantle it, sent an e-mail to employees earlier this week explaining that the company had decided to move forward with the reduced payments. "We expect payment to be received in your account no later than Wednesday, Feb. 3," it read in part.


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"This lets us, as a business, pivot away from this issue," one Financial Products employee, who was not authorized to speak on the record, said of the deal. "Current employees stepped up. They want to continue to do their business. They obviously want to get beyond this."
Andrew Goodstadt, a New York lawyer who represents more than a dozen current and former Financial Products employees, said he hoped the deal would be a step toward normalcy. "My clients are looking forward to getting paid their contractual entitlements," he said, "and resolving this matter once and for all."
The new payments are in part an attempt by AIG to meet two demands from U.S. compensation czar Kenneth R. Feinberg. One is to scale back the size of the bonuses. By paying the employees less than they had been promised, the company is also seeking to compensate for $26 million that Financial Products employees had previously said they would return by the end of last year but did not.
At the height of the controversy last spring, employees at the firm signaled they would return a total of $45 million by the end of 2009. A government audit showed that only about $19 million was returned. Feinberg has insisted that the full amount be repaid, though the $20 million in recent concessions still falls short of that mark.
AIG has been consulting with Feinberg about its negotiations with employees over reducing their bonuses in return for early payment.
"We are greatly appreciative that virtually all -- some 97 percent -- of active FP employees have volunteered to reduce their upcoming 2010 payment to help achieve our giveback target," AIG spokesman Mark Herr said. "We have decided to begin these reduced payments to these active employees as well as those non-active employees who agreed to reductions. The reductions from these two groups stand at about $20 million, and we believe this allows us to largely put this matter behind us."
Herr added that some former employees had agreed to reduce their payments by an additional $4.5 million, but the company could not accept these concessions. "Nonetheless, we will continue to work with the non-active employees to round out the remaining amount of our giveback target over the next few months," Herr said.
"People will be relieved that they can now remove this as a distraction, focus on the task at hand and go on with their lives," a Financial Products employee said. "People did it to put it behind them."
Few aspects of the financial crisis have angered lawmakers and ordinary Americans as much as AIG bonuses. The controversy has its roots in early 2008, months before the government's rescue of the giant insurer. As the housing bubble was collapsing and the company's trading in financial derivatives called credit-default swaps was starting to cost the company billions of dollars, AIG officials instituted the guaranteed retention payments to keep employees in place during the coming period of financial instability. Financial Products employees were promised more than $400 million in retention pay, with lump sums due in March 2009 and March 2010.
Government and AIG officials agreed last year that the bonuses at Financial Products, however unsavory they might seem after the company's multiple federal bailouts, were legally binding. That explanation did not sit well with millions of Americans who were out of work and whose taxpayer dollars had gone to propping up the faltering insurance giant.
When word of the payments erupted into a national news story last March, President Obama vowed to "pursue every single legal avenue to block" the bonuses. Lawmakers backed a bill that would have taxed the payments to Financial Products employees at 90 percent. The issue eventually died down -- publicly, at least -- but government and AIG officials recognized that the second round of payments due this March threatened to stoke public anger once again.
Financial Products has shrunk steadily during the past year, winding down the number of derivatives trades on its books and closing offices in Hong Kong and Tokyo. The firm also is down to about half of the more than 400 employees it had before AIG's bailout.
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I'm pissed....................................

Andreas
02-02-2010, 07:00 PM
Im with Faber and Rogers, nothing should be propped up because its to big to fail. If there are no consequences for ****ing up then you are just postponing a similar failure down the road.

Let things burn down and build it back up again.

Clockwinder
02-02-2010, 07:16 PM
Storm the castle with pitchforks and burning torches!! The monsters within must be purged and exterminated. Criminals! Publish their names and home addresses and phone numbers and car registrations. Publish their social security numbers and bank account numbers. Publish their e-mail addresses.
They must be exposed and destroyed!!!

deagle
02-02-2010, 07:37 PM
they have so much extra money for bonuses, why don't they hire more ppl or pay the govt (us taxpayers back).

so for every $1 contributed in taxes, we get back .10 after politicians and the execs that sleep with one another get their hands on .90

our money is paying for their bonuses, but shouldn't it be used for school, family, food, rent ?

Andreas
02-02-2010, 07:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROlDmux7Tk4

Yeti2424
02-02-2010, 07:57 PM
First and foremost we should not have bailed any company out to begin with.

With that said if a company that was not permitted to go bankrupt and rework its contracts wants to give an executive who’s primary income is based on commission a percentage based bonus then I have no problem with that. If his department made $100 million and he gets a $10 million bonus because his contract said he would get 10% of what he earned the company made money off of that employee and there is nothing to argue about because if he had done poorly he would not have made anything. I mean a server at a restaurant generally makes 15% in tips. They just deal with less overall money.

avedis
02-02-2010, 08:17 PM
oh noes... evil evil bankers.. if u don't like it.... don't bail em out next time.

Mr.K
02-02-2010, 09:53 PM
oh noes... evil evil bankers.. if u don't like it.... don't bail em out next time.

Bailing them out wasn't a populist choice.

avedis
02-02-2010, 10:00 PM
It sure wasn't. Frankly I find populism just as annoying as the people who said the world would end if we didn't bail em out.
Failure needed to be embraced.

dttk0009
02-02-2010, 10:25 PM
This was predictable.

skyrock
02-02-2010, 11:35 PM
Fvck that. No bonus until the tax payers' money is paid back in full.


This was predictable.

SeanAshi
02-02-2010, 11:54 PM
I'm shocked! Not at the bonuses but Ordie starting a thread and not trashing Israel.

Hilbert
02-02-2010, 11:55 PM
Im with Faber and Rogers, nothing should be propped up because its to big to fail. If there are no consequences for ****ing up then you are just postponing a similar failure down the road.

Let things burn down and build it back up again.

I absolutely agree with you.

I had a debate with a guy a few weeks ago about the bailouts and prop ups because their to big to fail moves. He was arguing the bailouts to be a classic example of why government control is needed and free market is a failure. I kept trying to explain to him that of course free market is going fail if you step in and bail the company out, its basically telling them "go ahead and run your company into the ground, we'll bring you back" (its practically rewarding failure, encouraging it) instead of letting the companies suffer the consequences of their mismanagement and having competitors and other companies seize the opening after some fallout.

Mr.K
02-03-2010, 01:53 PM
It sure wasn't. Frankly I find populism just as annoying as the people who said the world would end if we didn't bail em out.
Failure needed to be embraced.

I just saying that it was not the popular choice. But since AIG was related to every sector in the economy , the choice was not to have an immediate collapse of the sytem but offsetting the pain.

futurepilot2004
02-03-2010, 01:57 PM
The people getting those bonuses prob had clauses written into their contracts before the downturn that would now cost AIG multiples of that amount to break.

oldsoak
02-04-2010, 07:38 AM
Which is why its best to let them go to the wall, have the government step in on condition that they all to re-apply for their jobs - with a 20% cull at the top end.

Zoomie
02-04-2010, 08:19 AM
They deserve all of their bonuses. They were able to get a giant influx of cash at no cost to them, while saving their jobs and the company. Pretty brilliant if you ask me.

Nano
02-04-2010, 11:27 AM
They deserve all of their bonuses. They were able to get a giant influx of cash at no cost to them, while saving their jobs and the company. Pretty brilliant if you ask me.
Yeah indeed job well done ****ing us twice over on that account. It is not as easy as it seems to "legally" steal someone else's money. Though the FIRE industry generally speaking as it is now lives off from legally stealing someone else's money via legal counterfeit.

tluassa
02-04-2010, 11:31 AM
First People reject my call to trial and sentence bankers, bank regulators and the respectively responsible politicians in front of an international trial, ;) and now People are suprised that these same criminals rip off huge sums now that they find themself unpunished and even officially saved by the same institutions that should have made sure they would never have a penny left in their whole life, because they should have been made responsible for the damage they personally caused.

And this is rather not about greed as said so often in discussions, greed is not a crime, but lending People money that you dont have for high-risk projects (like giving a poor family living off 1 parents unsecure job the credit for a house) is !

futurepilot2004
02-04-2010, 03:24 PM
I dont like all this talk about people wanting to cut bankers pay and bonuses. I want a big one :)