Suggestions for a firearms purchase

[Clear_blues]

So I was looking at firearms over winter break and have been doing allot of thinking about which ones I may purchase in the future. What would people recommend?

-AR 15 (which variant, probably a .223)
-Mossberg 500 tactical (The one I was tempted to buy was a 6 shell model with a collapsible stock)
-and something that resembled a G3, but was called a Cesme? (.338)

And no I don't want a poser AK designed for sale to a drunk, video game addicted college kid audience.

[Jippo]

There's no point. If you do not know what for you need the gun, you do not need it.

[Clear_blues]

well I was looking for tips about what to avoid for one.

[Hollis]

Jippo, has a point. What I think is the greatest and coolest, my just suck for someone else. Like they say about opinions, everybody has one.

In the thread on firearm collections, there are some nice ARs and comments. That would be a good place to look through.

Mossberg 500 are GTG. There are a lot of good pump shotguns in that price range. The Remington 870 is probably the most popular, therefore lots of accessories for it.

I believe the G3 is a 7,62 NATO (.308) not .338. There was a bunch of G3s floating around in the states from Century Arms not long ago.

Also if you buy wisely, if it turns out not what you want, you can resale it and not take a big hit on it. Also IMHO, owning more firearms is preferred to owning less.

[Hispeed1]

There's no point. If you do not know what for you need the gun, you do not need it.

What he said. I suggest an already built AR for you first one as opposed to building one. Check out AR15.com and M4carbine.net, also when you narrow down your choices-go and actually shoot them before purchasing them. Good luck.

[Panchito12]

And no I don't want a poser AK designed for sale to a drunk, video game addicted college kid audience.

It is only that since I'm going to assume that you don't know much about AK's I won't bitchslap you for that statement. US-made AK's are ABSOLUTELY FIRST RATE!! Nothing as good as a customed AR, but close. Check out:

http://www.arsenalinc.com/slr106f.htm

I shot this baby about 2 months ago and I'm in the process of breaking down the Panchito12 Finance Minister (the Mrs) for the $$ to get one.

[Clear_blues]

If I was to get an Ak, it would be something bigger then a .22

[Maitreya]

It is only that since I'm going to assume that you don't know much about AK's I won't bitchslap you for that statement. US-made AK's are ABSOLUTELY FIRST RATE!! Nothing as good as a customed AR, but close. Check out:

http://www.arsenalinc.com/slr106f.htm

I shot this baby about 2 months ago and I'm in the process of breaking down the Panchito12 Finance Minister (the Mrs) for the $$ to get one.

My vote is for -- FNH - FNAR(0.308W). Nice well rounded, little steeper in price, but 1moa or under works for me..:-)

[lt tahoe]

Are you saying you are looking at buying 3 firearms--a ".223", 12 ga. and a ".338"? Or are those three you're considering?

First thing is, what do you want the gun for? Those are three fairly disparate firearms, so what will the purpose be? Or do you just want a gun to have a gun? How much do you know about guns? I'm guessing not a whole lot, given your first post up there; maybe spend some time learning about firearms and, if possble, trying some out would make a lot of sense. Find a range that will rent firearms, or ask friends if you can try theirs, before plunking down a large hunk of cash on something you may not like once you have it.

There is a metric ****-ton of information available at your fingertips--do some research. Right now, you've done the equivalent of asking "What is my favorite food? Can someone please tell me, because I'm hungry and I want the food I will like the most."

[Geezah]

My first firearm was the Romanian WASR-10. It was cool and fun to shoot but I ended up trading it towards a Colt 1991A1. The Colt has since gone but I made a nice profit on it and the ammo and put the money towards a Glock 19 and ammo.

The best thing to do is do some research, look at the funds you have and go to a few gun stores and handle the firearms you may be interested in.

Personally, I wouldn't do a Cetme, but that's me. .308 is expensive unless you plan to reload, so my only .308 is a bolt gun. I know that the best purchase I have ever made was the CMMG .22lr coversion kit for my AR15.

Check out AIM Surplus's website, their prices are great and they have a nice selection on hand.

[He219]

Need some help; can't decide between a 155mm Howitzer, Patriot Block 3 or CIWS ..
:p


just kidding </analogy>

[zad]

-and something that resembled a G3, but was called a Cesme? (.338)

Actually the G3 is a licensed version of the spanish CETME wich was designed by Ludwig Vorgrimler for a spanish government design and development establishment. The first version CETME A entered in production in 1957. In 1959 it was adopted by the West Germany army with the name of G3.

Some photos:
http://50ae.net/collection/cetme/

Short manual in english:
http://www.centuryarms.com/manuals/cetme501.pdf

[Clear_blues]

the Mossberg was priced 350 and the AR I was looking into was around 1100 with a crappy scope. I was thinking about the AR as something to keep me in practice as we don't really handle live firarms with regularity in ROTC. The shotgun as something to compliment my possible MOS. The Cetme was just a novelty item I was briefly considering.

[Zero 706]

Cadet Clearblues, go with the AR since it has the same manual of arms/operation/breakdown/etc as an issued m4. I'm guessing from your MOS reference that you are considering MP... my PLT qualifies with M500s (military designator for mossberg 500) yearly... besides that we rarely touch them nor will they be used all that often on deployment, aside from close security/door breaching.

Better to get comfy with a possible deployment firearm than something obscure or rarely utilized. Just my 2 cents from a guy who used to be in your shoes.

[Chulo]

First thing about buying a gun. Have an idea why you want one, then decide how much money you have to spend, the check to see the one you like can meet your purpose requirements.

[Clear_blues]

Cadet Clearblues, go with the AR since it has the same manual of arms/operation/breakdown/etc as an issued m4. I'm guessing from your MOS reference that you are considering MP... my PLT qualifies with M500s (military designator for mossberg 500) yearly... besides that we rarely touch them nor will they be used all that often on deployment, aside from close security/door breaching.

Better to get comfy with a possible deployment firearm than something obscure or rarely utilized. Just my 2 cents from a guy who used to be in your shoes.

thanks for the advice.

[doctor rizz]

Better to get comfy with a possible deployment firearm than something obscure or rarely utilized.

That is a good point. I get a lot of range time with the m4 and m9 that it is boring to shoot them, if I own them.

These guys are right before I bought my first firearm, japanese arisaka type 99, I did a lot of research. I do that with all the firearms I own and want to buy. My suggestion would be to buy a good history book on the firearms that you are going to buy. I have seven firearms and seven books, one for each.

[James]

So I was looking at firearms over winter break and have been doing allot of thinking about which ones I may purchase in the future. What would people recommend?

-AR 15 (which variant, probably a .223)
-Mossberg 500 tactical (The one I was tempted to buy was a 6 shell model with a collapsible stock)
-and something that resembled a G3, but was called a Cesme? (.338)

And no I don't want a poser AK designed for sale to a drunk, video game addicted college kid audience.

What do you want to use said firearms for? The answer to this question should be your guide.

[HK in AK]

+1 James!! If you want a firearm to just put on the wall and say you own it, then you are only limited by the amount of money you are willing to invest. If you are looking for a firearm for "home defense", then you will need to evaluate your needs, or if you are going to competively shoot, then you need to evaluate your need for that.

[Skutatos]

It is only that since I'm going to assume that you don't know much about AK's I won't bitchslap you for that statement. US-made AK's are ABSOLUTELY FIRST RATE!! Nothing as good as a customed AR, but close. Check out:

http://www.arsenalinc.com/slr106f.htm

I shot this baby about 2 months ago and I'm in the process of breaking down the Panchito12 Finance Minister (the Mrs) for the $$ to get one.

Go ahead and bitchslap him. I own an Arsenal SGL-20 and love it to death! Absolutely first rate, as you said.

[Clear_blues]

I said that because I'm tired of college kids having CodMW2 wetdreams over a .22 AK looka like.

[Skutatos]

I said that because I'm tired of college kids having CodMW2 wetdreams over a .22 AK looka like.

http://www.gsg5rifle.com/category/1792-GSG_AK47_Rifle.aspx

Like this GSG-5 AK? Never understood the point of that thing. It isn't even much cheaper than a 7.62 AK, and 7.62 isn't expensive enough to make me want to own an AK that fires .22lr.

[gaijinsamurai]

^ Agreed. I can see the allure of the .22LR caliber HK MP5 look-alikes, since real MP5 SMGs and even HK94 semi-autos are so prohibitively expensive. But a .22 LR AK? No thanks, I'm content with my Ruger 10-22.

But yeah, a 7.62x39 or 5.45x39 AK is hard to beat.

[Clear_blues]

http://www.gsg5rifle.com/category/1792-GSG_AK47_Rifle.aspx

Like this GSG-5 AK? Never understood the point of that thing. It isn't even much cheaper than a 7.62 AK, and 7.62 isn't expensive enough to make me want to own an AK that fires .22lr.

yep those would be the ones, but some of them were mat black plastics with a cutaway view of the mag. On those mp look alikes what is the function on the barrel extender?

[Skutatos]

yep those would be the ones, but some of them were mat black plastics with a cutaway view of the mag. On those mp look alikes what is the function on the barrel extender?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_barreled_rifle

[Hawkeye65]

http://www.gsg5rifle.com/category/1792-GSG_AK47_Rifle.aspx

Like this GSG-5 AK? Never understood the point of that thing. It isn't even much cheaper than a 7.62 AK, and 7.62 isn't expensive enough to make me want to own an AK that fires .22lr.
5000 rounds of .22 LR is still cheaper than 500 of 7.62x39. It is probably especially nice for people who are constantly training on the AK platform. Also some indoor ranges wont allow the use of cheap mil-surp 7.62x39mm so on a rainy day if someone wanted to get some trigger time with their AK this is a way of getting it.

[jimmyboots]

I would say get an ar15 lower and build it up with the best of what you need/can afford. You would need to do your homework o that but its a versatile platform that gives you endless options. Or you can get Colt 6920 + lots of ammo, and shoot the sh1t of it.

[Clear_blues]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_barreled_rifle

oo thanks 123456789

[kevlar308]

It depends on whether or not you want to shoot a lot. If you want to build your skills, get a .22. Ruger 10/22s are cheap and can be modified easily for amazing accuracy. (or just to look neat) If you get a Mark III, you will never regret it. (until it comes time to re-assemble it)
But a good first gun is the Mossberg 500 or 590. 12 gauge is cheap to shoot too, and you will rarely miss, and it will be the loudest gun at the range most days. (always nice)
Unless you have a lot of money, the AK may be a better bet than an AR.
Like others have said, go to a range that rents, shoot a bunch, check your wallet and then decide. But make sure to get something with quality and reliability. CEMTE is a gamble, many people have endless headaches with them. I'd suggest an AK instead, or if you have the cash, an M1A.

[Murray B]

If you want to go hunting the .223 is too small for anything except varmints. Many areas require a .243 or larger.

If you want something for home defence then a slide action 12 gauge is good but Mossberg has many things cheaper than what you're looking at. They used to have a nice convertable with two barrels that was very affordable.

I have heard of a CETME but not in .338. There was a company making a subsonic .338 round for specialist use but that kind of hardware is for military only. Don't even ask about buying one.