Hitler's Health

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,675991,00.html

article and slide show at der spiegel

"A Sober Look at Hitler's Health

By Christoph Gunkel

There are myriad theories out there about Hitler's health. Some say he was a drug addict, others say he was the victim of a hypnosis gone wrong. Then there are the strange hypotheses about his genitalia. A new book, however, debunks most such ideas. Drugs and illness, the authors conclude, had little effect on his actions.
For a mass murderer, Adolf Hitler had a downright fatherly relationship with his personal physician. "My dear doctor, I so look forward to seeing you in the morning!" the Nazi dictator told his doctor, Theodor Morell, whom he trusted implicitly. In fact, Hitler was convinced that Morell had saved his life on several occasions. "My dear doctor!" the despot said to Morell in November 1944, "if we both make it through the war in one piece, you will see how generously I'll reward you!"

[Connaught Ranger]

A new book, however, debunks most such ideas. Drugs and illness, the authors conclude, had little effect on his actions.So this new book by an "author" offering his own opinion should be taken verbaitum! Ha Ha Ha!rofl

Just another attempt to rewrite history and make a quick bookwoot

Connaught Ranger

[Seek]

did you read the article? the authors, one of them is also a physician, are not into rewriting history. they wanted to find out wether those who see hitlers actions resulting from drug addiction or mental problems are right or not. what they do is debunking the myths as spread by people like holocaust denier David Irving, which run along he lines that hitler cannot be taken 100% accountable fr his actions because he was ill, and a drug addict.

[Connaught Ranger]

did you read the article? the author, who is als a physician, is not into rewriting history. he wanted to find out wether those who see hitlers actions resulting from drug addiction or mental problems are right or not. what he does is debunking the myths as spread by people like holocaust denier David Irving, which run along he lines that hitler cannot be taken 100% accountable fr his actions because he was ill, and a drug addict.

Yeah I read the crap review written by "Der Spiegal" seems it was worthy to throw in the authors assesment of others who used drugs from Fat Herman down to the common soldier in the field, although what that distraction has to do with Hitler I dont know, also the quack "Doctor" Morell's methods were investigated immediate post war and found to be wanting, now some 56 years later, we are to believe this idiot with a couple medical opinion can give us the true version of what was going on! :lol:rofl rofl:lol:

So feel free to take two asprin and call me in the morning:roll:

Connaught Ranger

[Seek]

just to get this straight, you base your opinion about the book on this article and say that it has no value, because it offers nothing new? Isn't this the case with 96% of all publications about hitler?

[wilhelm]

If you have been on this site for a while, you will see that CR subscribes to the rather bizarre notion that history may only ever be written down once, and may never ever be studied or added to further, not even to strip away certain propaganda applied at the time of the events, nor to place things in context over a longer timeframe.

If he disagrees with the topic and/or conclusion, he will label you a "revisionist", or your analysis as "revisionism", although what that actually means in his meaning I've not figured out.

I'm not sure why he does this.

On topic, I would probably say that Hitler most likely took some prescription drugs, as has been documented, some of which were probably not that good for him. I do think that a lot of the speculation about some of the drugs are rubbish, as are the quantities. It is interesting to see how the war aged Hitler, and I wonder whether there was a slight nervous breakdown or even a mild stroke involved, although that would be pure speculation on my side.

[quinsen]

No day without any Hitlernews on Spiegel.de

Anyway I agree with CR.

[Nephilim]

Hitler had bad teeth and only one nut left...

go figure bout his health and his psyche..

[Connaught Ranger]

If you have been on this site for a while, you will see that CR subscribes to the rather bizarre notion that history may only ever be written down once, and may never ever be studied or added to further, not even to strip away certain propaganda applied at the time of the events, nor to place things in context over a longer timeframe.

If he disagrees with the topic and/or conclusion, he will label you a "revisionist", or your analysis as "revisionism", although what that actually means in his meaning I've not figured out.

I'm not sure why he does this.

On topic, I would probably say that Hitler most likely took some prescription drugs, as has been documented, some of which were probably not that good for him. I do think that a lot of the speculation about some of the drugs are rubbish, as are the quantities. It is interesting to see how the war aged Hitler, and I wonder whether there was a slight nervous breakdown or even a mild stroke involved, although that would be pure speculation on my side.

As always you are entitled to post your opinion as I am, however I do find it strange that we have to wait 50 something years for these experts to tell us what in their opinion was the medical condition of Hitler, when Hitlers original case files (including the pescriptions made out for him by his resident pet "quack" were readily available for study,) and were studied immediate post war. There is also enough stock film footage to show the rapid decline of Hitler's health from that period.

In reality there is no great new discovery waiting to be revealed with regards his condition, only varied opinions posted by men years later,
in an effort to make some money and have their 5 mins of fame.

Connaught Ranger.

[Noons86]

I have to disagree. Often times, the scholarly consensus on many matters is different from popular notions. So it is likely that this book presents the mainstream scholarly opinion that has been the same for decades. Rumors and myths always spread, but when these rumors become too popular and too widespread, the scholarly community just has to put its foot down.

Of course, there is also money to be made.

[commanding]

Actually, there are thousands of people in the world, who want to be authors, and somehow get a book published.... on the history books, many of them are on significant historical figures and rehash old views and a few new views. The plain fact is that these books sell for a variety of reasons, no matter how bizarre the author's book may be or how poorly written. (many out of print books are so expensive to the avg. joe that they can't afford them, but a new book is within range economically)
So yeah....there is and will continue to be new books on old subjects, as long as there is money to be made....IMO it is a result of two things: 1. money 2. ego of the authors
(for examples of this, search amazon for books on: Billy the Kid, Butch Cassidy, Adolf Hitler, Patton, etc)

[Connaught Ranger]

Never forget the old maxim:- "Paper never refuses ink!"

never more so than in regard of fact or fiction content.

[Kilgor]

Hitler had bad teeth and only one nut left...

go figure bout his health and his psyche..

Hitler has only got one ball,
Göring has two but very small,
Himmler is somewhat sim'lar,
But poor Goebbels has no balls at all.

[NUCKINFUTS]

I read somewhere that Hitler's diet mainly consisted of stewed fruit and a lot of cake which led to digestive problems.

[Kilgor]

He didn;t drink or eat meat. I wouldn't trust the man.

[nemowork]

- Ignore this

[T.S.C.Plage]

I trust Rochus Misch on this subject and he didn't mentioned anything like that in his book. According to him Hitler didn't even was a real vegetarian but also ate meat on some occasions. The vegetarian food was part of his diet because of the stomach problems he had. Interesting here is that the female cook he specially ordered for her diet cooking was assumbly at least half Jewish.

[BLUE THOR]

I hear he had a headache in the bunker in '45.

[wilhelm]

On an oblique matter, I have heard the story that he had only one ******** once before, but have always attributed it to the programme of slander and propaganda of which the British were always fond of using (ala Napoleans ***** amongst many other examples).

Does anyone know anything actually factual, or is this another facet forever lost in distortion?

CR, I agree that Morel was a complete quack .... I think everyone accepts this.
It's interesting though that as the years go by, so Hitler's pharmacological cabinet has grown ever more extensive with each new author! I agree that many authors out there are obviously interested in making a buck out of what is a controversial figure, but if you sift through the rubbish there will always be fresh angles or interpretations, as well as newly released or declassified material to work from.

His cook used to sometimes use "meat broths" to liven up his food. On her ethnicity I'm not sure of, but if so she would not be the first person of Jewish blood that Hitler had no interest in persecuting. I seem to remember there being a doctor who possibly treated his dying mother that was also not persecuted, even though his religeon was known to Hitler. It may have been someone other that the doctor though, so I stand under correction here.

[nemowork]

Hitler could be quite odd in the way he would split the punishments of entire races from individuals and those he worked with.

There are a few of the Nazi heirarchy who would have been in trouble over Jewish ancestors including Emil Maurice the original head of the SA and i think one of the eight man begleitkommando bodyguard detail was removed by Himmler for being Jewish, both were supported and reinstated by Hitler who valued their political and personal loyalty since the beerhall over legal quibbles.

Then again what the racial scientists of the Nazi party considered Jewish when you had to prove a century or more of ancestry is anybodies guess.

[minotaur161]

I think as concerns Hitlers health, I feel his mental health was what had failed him most of all.