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Ordie
02-08-2010, 03:15 AM
Keep an eye on Malaysia for the next decade.
It is a faultline on many levels.
The ideal of a united Malaysia is under strain
Rowan Callick, Asia-Pacific editor From: The Australian February 06, 2010 12:00AM
WHAT'S happening with Malaysia?
The country has long been viewed in Australia as not only an especially friendly Southeast Asian neighbour - the "recalcitrant" Mahathir Mohammad excepted, though he's been retired six years - but also a model of middle-class success and tolerance in that region.
Today, however, the country is having a hard time holding things together, in the face of religious and ethnic divides, political battles, and economic challenges.
Michael Danby, who chairs Australia's foreign affairs subcommittee, told parliament last Tuesday night that "fellow democrats around Asia are flabbergasted at events unfolding in Kuala Lumpur."
He was referring to the second trial of opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim for sodomy.
"For the second time," Danby said, "the Malaysian legal system is being manipulated by supporters of the incumbent government to drive Malaysia's best-known leader, Anwar Ibrahim, out of national politics.
"For the second time, documents are being forged, witnesses are being coerced, evidence is being fabricated. This trial, like the first trial, is a disgrace to Malaysia, a country that aspires to democratic norms."
Danby said it was long past time that Malaysia repealed these British colonial laws, which could not then be used for such political purposes. "In the second place, everyone in Malaysia, and everyone in the international legal community, knows that Anwar is innocent of these charges."
The underlying problem is that Anwar, leader of the People's Justice Party, is the first charismatic Malay opposition politician with sufficient appeal for Malay voters to pose a real threat to UMNO's 52-year hold on power.
This episode indicates that it's also long past time UMNO took a spell in opposition, as Japan's Liberal Democratic Party is doing.
Declared a middle-income country by the World Bank several years ago, Malaysia has grown accustomed to patronising its giant neighbour Indonesia - even though it still rankles that Malaysia itself continues to be patronised by its tiny neighbour Singapore.
Now, though, it is Indonesia - the raucous democracy with a rapidly acquired capacity to change leaders and governments peaceably, the world's largest Muslim country renowned for its moderation and pluralism - that is receiving international praise, with US President Barack Obama flying across the world to visit (with a side-trip to Australia).
In 2008, last year and - as estimated by IMA Asia - this year, Malaysia's economic growth figures are 4.6 per cent, -2.8 per cent, and 4 per cent. Indonesia's are 6.1 per cent, 4.5 per cent and 5.6 per cent.
Since taking office last April, Prime Minister Najib Razak has started to dismantle the 40-year-old New Economic Policy, Sydney-based business consulting firm IMA notes.
It says: "While the NEP did little for ordinary Malays, its supposed beneficiaries, it enriched a handful of businessmen and contributed to corruption in UMNO."
Najib also has to tackle the over-reliance on oil money - for more than 40 per cent of government revenues - while just 2.3 million of the 28 million population pay income tax. And he needs to open more sectors of the economy to foreign investors.
That's hard to do, while at the same time grappling with the plethora of problems resulting from Malaysia's restrictive religious laws, reflecting Islam's role as the state religion.
Queensland University political scientist David Martin Jones, currently working in Malaysia, says: "There is now an interesting collection of scandals dating from the first Anwar case in 1998 that coincides with the fragmentation of UMNO-controlled politics."
One such scandal comprised the tragic case of Lina Joy, aged 45, who was born into a Muslim family but began attending a church in 1990 and was baptised in 1998, and naturally wished to marry her Christian fiance. But marriage between Muslim women and non-Muslim men is forbidden under Malaysian law, and after years of battling the authorities in the courts, in 2007 she was refused permission to convert formally.
This year, Malaysia has seen its simmering religious and racial conflicts boil over after a ruling of the High Court that the Malay language pages of the Catholic Church's weekly newspaper, the Herald, could use the term "Allah" as a translation for "God".
Malaysian Christians say they have used "Allah" for God for centuries.
The government is appealing the decision. But in the meantime, it has triggered violent protests from Muslim Malays who comprise 60 per cent of the population, and who claim exclusive rights over the Arabic word "Allah". Christians comprise just 9 per cent of Malaysians.
Eleven churches, a Sikh temple and two Muslim prayer rooms have been attacked so far, as a result of the row, and the severed heads of three wild boars - considered unclean by Muslims - with their mouths stuffed with bank notes, in plastic bags, were found outside two mosques.
The High Court last April sentenced to death two policemen who were assigned to the office of Najib Razak, the then deputy prime minister and defence minister. They were found guilty of murdering a Mongolian woman who had had a relationship with Abdul Razak Baginda, a defence analyst for a think tank, and had translated for him on a deal to buy submarines from France.
Abdul Razak, arrested for abetting the murder, was acquitted. But the motives for the policemen to have killed Atlantuyaa - by explosives - remain murky. Martin Jones says: "Malay political scandals and the cynicism they engender, together with the bitter debate over the `Allah affair', are seriously fragmenting the Malay community, whilst minority communities are increasingly rejecting the UMNO model of Satu Malaysia (one Malaysia). I suspect this portends some trouble ahead for the Malay political process."
Razak has launched a multimedia 1 Malaysia campaign to promote the virtues of "perseverance, a culture of excellence, acceptance, loyalty, education, humility, integrity, and meritocracy."
This looks to be a hurdle too high for a political establishment whose credibility is too low, for an economy that for two years has suffered net outflows of foreign investment, and for a culture suffering some confusion.
Jones points out: "It's somewhat ironic that an ostensibly puritanical political culture that won't contemplate a Beyonce concert seems to lap up details of Anwar's alleged penetration of his aide."
The singer Beyonce last October cancelled a second planned concert in Malaysia after accusations by Islamic conservatives that her show was immoral. She scored a huge hit when she flew instead to a Muslim neighbour with less stringent rules on dress or behaviour: Indonesia.
Source:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/the-ideal-of-a-united-malaysia-is-under-strain/story-e6frg6zo-1225827256908
Sootan
02-08-2010, 03:32 AM
If Indonesia could manage, so would Malaysia.
this Rowan guy link a lot unrelated bad stuff together.. looks like a huge conspiracy heheh.
Ordie
02-08-2010, 03:51 AM
If Indonesia could manage, so would Malaysia.
Indonesia always viewed themselves as a secular nationalist nation since WW2.
Even during times of authoritarian rule of Sukarno and Suharto to present day.
Malaysia on the other hand can never define itself.
Is it a nation for Malays where Malays are more equal than others?
Is it a democratic Muslim Nation versus a democratic Asian Nation?
Is it an Asian Nation or a Middle Eastern Nation?
Is it a nation with the rule of law for all or some based on religious affiliation?
Sootan
02-08-2010, 04:10 AM
Indonesia always viewed themselves as a secular nationalist nation since WW2.
Even during times of authoritarian rule of Sukarno and Suharto to present day.
Malaysia on the other hand can never define itself.
Is it a nation for Malays where Malays are more equal than others?
Is it a democratic Muslim Nation versus a democratic Asian Nation?
Is it an Asian Nation or a Middle Eastern Nation?
Is it a nation with the rule of law for all or some based on religious affiliation?
Is economically stable and prosperous. 'nuff said.
Ordie
02-08-2010, 04:44 AM
Is economically stable and prosperous. 'nuff said.
So is Saudi Arabia, but that didn't stop 9/11.
junglejim
02-08-2010, 04:46 AM
Doomed doomed i say!!!
So is Saudi Arabia, but that didn't stop 9/11.
If Saudi Arabia is Malaysia... and replace teh Malays with Arabs, but still retain the same demographic... i can bet you my Jeep the result will not be the same... (and my Jeep is priceless)
junglejim
02-08-2010, 05:16 AM
See, why no Eastern Asian would break up from the status quo, no matter how much the Western Media says. Is because East Asian nations have no qualms laying thy Smack down on it's own people when some of them tries to break the state up. And other Asian nations would see nothing wrong with this. Example, East Timor would still be a province of Indonesia had Australia not come along. (sucks for Indonesia in having an Aussie neighbor)
hulaku
02-08-2010, 05:19 AM
The rise of Islamic fundamentalism is a clear and present danger in all Islamic countries including progressive and multi-ethnic states like Malaysia. Look what the rise of Islamists did to Iran, Pakistan or Somalia.
Keep your Mullahs on a tight leash like the Turks do.
The rise of Islamic fundamentalism is a clear and present danger in all Islamic countries including progressive and multi-ethnic states like Malaysia. Look what the rise of Islamists did to Iran, Pakistan or Somalia.
Keep your Mullahs on a tight leash like the Turks do.
we actually jailed em without trial
hulaku
02-08-2010, 05:34 AM
we actually jailed em without trial
I guess you are referring to the report linked below
A Malaysian who was among those initially arrested identified the Syrian preacher as Aiman Al Dakkak, who has lived in Malaysia since 2003.
Aiman gave regular religious classes but did not advocate terrorism, said Muhamad Yunus Zainal Abidin, one of his students.
"In Islam, there is jihad but this kind of jihad — bombings — Aiman condemns it," Muhamad Yunus said. "He is against terrorism ... He always told us that is not the way of Islam."
Aiman studied in Pakistan as a teenager and worked at a Karachi university before moving to Malaysia, he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100129/ap_on_re_as/as_malaysia_terror_suspects_6
And stop sending people to study in Pakistan.:)
Eokboy
02-08-2010, 02:38 PM
I blame the Zionist-backed opposition party, and non-malays.
Read why: http://www.amazon.com/Malay-Dilemma-Mahathir-Mohamad/dp/9812616500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265657992&sr=8-1
Sootan
02-08-2010, 09:25 PM
So is Saudi Arabia, but that didn't stop 9/11.
And SA isn't breaking either. What 9/11 had to do with it anyway?
Sootan
02-08-2010, 09:28 PM
See, why no Eastern Asian would break up from the status quo, no matter how much the Western Media says. Is because East Asian nations have no qualms laying thy Smack down on it's own people when some of them tries to break the state up. And other Asian nations would see nothing wrong with this. Example, East Timor would still be a province of Indonesia had Australia not come along. (sucks for Indonesia in having an Aussie neighbor)
And East Timor would still be Indonesian had Suharto been still in power then. It didn't suck for Indonesia in having an Aussie neighbor, but sucked in having weak leadership in time of crisis. Though if losing East Timor was the price of losing Suharto, it was worth it and the Aussie were welcome to it.
TheMiddlePath
02-09-2010, 01:27 AM
Keep an eye on Malaysia for the next decade.
It is a faultline on many levels.
Source:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/the-ideal-of-a-united-malaysia-is-under-strain/story-e6frg6zo-1225827256908
Quote from article.
"The country has long been viewed in Australia as not only an especially friendly Southeast Asian neighbour - the "recalcitrant" Mahathir Mohammad excepted, though he's been retired six years - but also a model of middle-class success and tolerance in that region."
Mahathir was PM for 22 years from 1981 to 2003.
If the "recalcitrant" Mahathir Mohammad was excepted, then the entire article just became illogical.
TheMiddlePath
02-09-2010, 01:43 AM
Indonesia always viewed themselves as a secular nationalist nation since WW2.
Even during times of authoritarian rule of Sukarno and Suharto to present day.
Malaysia on the other hand can never define itself.
Is it a nation for Malays where Malays are more equal than others?
Is it a democratic Muslim Nation versus a democratic Asian Nation?
Is it an Asian Nation or a Middle Eastern Nation?
Is it a nation with the rule of law for all or some based on religious affiliation?
Indonesia is 98% native and muslim. Indonesians do not feel threaten at all.
Malaysia is not ...thus the muslim/Malay feels threaten.
You cannot compare Malaysia with Indonesia.
TheMiddlePath
02-09-2010, 01:47 AM
I blame the Zionist-backed opposition party, and non-malays.
Read why: http://www.amazon.com/Malay-Dilemma-Mahathir-Mohamad/dp/9812616500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265657992&sr=8-1
Under Mahathir, the 3 races of Malaysia were never more united.
The only common thing that all races and religion in malaysia shared are the word MALAYSIA the Flag, the King, Teh Tarik and roti canai..to name a few. Other than that it juts grey matter.. things unsolved, unexplode ...unstable...yet we survive 50 years of racial harmony... therefore i believe we will survive another 50 years together... with all those unstable stuff with us.
Economic downturn, well this time its actually less damaging than the 1997..as a bench mark if in 1997 we not only able to stand by our self..im confidence this recent economic downturn is easy to bypass.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 03:19 AM
The only common thing that all races and religion in malaysia shared are the word MALAYSIA the Flag, the King, Teh Tarik and roti canai..to name a few. Other than that it juts grey matter.. things unsolved, unexplode ...unstable...yet we survive 50 years of racial harmony... therefore i believe we will survive another 50 years together... with all those unstable stuff with us.
Economic downturn, well this time its actually less damaging than the 1997..as a bench mark if in 1997 we not only able to stand by our self..im confidence this recent economic downturn is easy to bypass.
Unless you have your own definition of "racial harmony", there has never been "racial harmony" in Malaysia, ever. Don't lie to yourself and don't let the media lie to you. TDM has elaborated on this subject quite well, but we'll only know if we cared to read stuff other than Utusan.
hulaku
02-09-2010, 03:21 AM
I blame the Zionist-backed opposition party,
OMFG its the Juice again:)
Unless you have your own definition of "racial harmony", there has never been "racial harmony" in Malaysia, ever. Don't lie to yourself and don't let the media lie to you. TDM has elaborated on this subject quite well, but we'll only know if we cared to read stuff other than Utusan.
i meant 'peace' ....nobody hack each other in large number all these year..and that is what i called racial harmony... and i still intended to use my parang only for cuting grass...and not someone dad hips.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 03:27 AM
OMFG its the Juice again:)
Are you generalizing all Jews as Zionists?
hulaku
02-09-2010, 03:30 AM
Are you generalizing all Jews as Zionists?
No Iam generalising that it is so convenient the blame the Juice for everything including the extinction of Dinosuars, the Tsunami, the Haiti earthquake and ethnic problems in Malaysia.p-)
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 03:31 AM
i meant 'peace' ....nobody hack each other in large number all these year..and that is what i called racial harmony... and i still intended to use my parang only for cuting grass...and not someone dad hips.
Again, to quote TDM: "...absence of strife is not necessarily due to desire or reasons for strife. It is more frequently due to a lack of capacity to bring about open conflict."
Meaning we're not slaughtering each other because we're afraid to.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 03:33 AM
No Iam generalising that it is so convenient the blame the Juice for everything including the extinction of Dinosuars, the Tsunami, the Haiti earthquake and ethnic problems in Malaysia.p-)
I'm not blaming the Jews, I'm blaming the Zionists. Of course, its not entirely their fault that there are some people dumb enough to fall for their tricks.
hulaku
02-09-2010, 03:45 AM
I'm not blaming the Jews, I'm blaming the Zionists.
What interests do the Zionists have in Malaysia?
Too much Mahatir?
Again, to quote TDM: "...absence of strife is not necessarily due to desire or reasons for strife. It is more frequently due to a lack of capacity to bring about open conflict."
Meaning we're not slaughtering each other because we're afraid to.
or maybe some of us love our neighbour and already tosed the racial barrier away
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 03:59 AM
What interests do the Zionists have in Malaysia?
Too much Mahatir?
I and most malays believe there are a group of Zionists in a secret room in Singapore plotting ways to undermine our efforts. They do this because we are muslims and they don't like muslims so its understandable why they do this.
hulaku
02-09-2010, 04:03 AM
I and most malays believe there are a group of Zionists in a secret room in Singapore plotting ways to undermine our efforts. They do this because we are muslims and they don't like muslims so its understandable why they do this.
Are you serious? Any source link/ source for this. Please enlighten us all about this evil zionist plot being plotted in a secret room in Singapore.
And how old are you?
Ordie
02-09-2010, 04:15 AM
Are you serious? Any source link/ source for this. Please enlighten us all about this evil zionist plot being plotted in a secret room in Singapore.
And how old are you?
I think it's his failed attempt at sarcasm. The author of his link is known for passing the blame of Malaysia ills towards Zionist.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:23 AM
or maybe some of us love our neighbour and already tosed the racial barrier away
Some?
Then the "most" will seek out the "some" who try to protect their "neighbors" and kill them too.
I went to school in Damansara Kim, so I know what many chinese youth think of us. I also live in Shah Alam, and I know what the average malay youth think of the chinese. This is why I express a rather blunt, fatalistic vision of Malaysia's future. If you feel discomforted by my predictions, that is only because you live in TV3 utopia. Any right thinking person who did some objective reading would see a train wreck of epic proportions.
I know we malays like to oversimplify things and burnish unpleasant truths due to our inherent apathy for politics and detailed intellectual discourse, but we must realize that we do so at our own peril. I did, and I came up with a few real, long term solutions to our problems. You should too. Read up and think deep.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:27 AM
I think it's his failed attempt at sarcasm. The author of his link is known for passing the blame of Malaysia ills towards Zionist.
The book was written at a time when Mahathir is still ok. He was good back then.
Good.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:33 AM
Are you serious? Any source link/ source for this. Please enlighten us all about this evil zionist plot being plotted in a secret room in Singapore.
And how old are you?
http://forum.mykmu.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=32442
its in Bahasa though, but there are pics so you could get the gist of the topic.
hulaku
02-09-2010, 04:39 AM
http://forum.mykmu.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=32442
its in Bahasa though, but there are pics so you could get the gist of the topic.
From what I could gather they are talking about Dajjal.
And ffs its a discussion forum where random idiots could be saying anything. And I assume its a Malay supremist "Stormfront" type site.
Give more credible links and sources. And get out of your paranoid conspiracy theory mindset.
didnt i say our relationship still unstable? didnt i hint i still kept my parang although for cutting grass?
we still keep our hate checked because we love our children and we cherish our peace...some snorting youth hate at school are not the litmus test of the whole country vision. And i can be blunt too... let me tell you what our grand grand father did and why we need to keep tolerating each other.. the chinese they boil any malay men they saw walking in front their house while the malay we cut the hip of the chinese using our Parang Panjang.. its these act of barbarity that we dont want to recreate its these thing that we want to kept safely secure in our past.
And i definately dont want my son and daughter to see this in their life time. Not ever. This not utopia..there MANY who share this sentiment with me.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:46 AM
From what I could gather they are talking about Dajjal.
And ffs its a discussion forum where random idiots could be saying anything. And I assume its a Malay supremist "Stormfront" type site.
Give more credible links and sources. And get out of your paranoid conspiracy theory mindset.
If Stormfront is an official website for something like the Republican youth, then yes, myKMU is like Stormfront. It is UMNO Youth's portal.
hulaku
02-09-2010, 04:48 AM
If Stormfront is an official website for something like the Republican youth, then yes, myKMU is like Stormfront. It is UMNO Youth's portal.
There goes any credibility your links had.:)
You, sir, are a joke and that also a bad one.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:49 AM
From what I could gather they are talking about Dajjal.
And ffs its a discussion forum where random idiots could be saying anything. And I assume its a Malay supremist "Stormfront" type site.
Give more credible links and sources. And get out of your paranoid conspiracy theory mindset.
If Stormfront is an official website for something like the Republican youth, then yes, myKMU is like Stormfront. It is UMNO Youth's portal, participated by people who hold or may in the future hold public office. So, definitely not random idiots.
didnt i say our relationship still unstable? didnt i hint i still kept my parang although for cutting grass?
we still keep our hate checked because we love our children and we cherish our peace...some snorting youth hate at school are not the litmus test of the whole country vision. And i can be blunt too... let me tell you what our grand grand father did and why we need to keep tolerating each other.. the chinese they boil any malay men they saw walking in front their house while the malay we cut the hip of the chinese using our Parang Panjang.. its these act of barbarity that we dont want to recreate its these thing that we want to kept safely secure in our past.
And i definately dont want my son and daughter to see this in their life time. Not ever. This not utopia..there MANY who share this sentiment with me.
I rest my case.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:52 AM
I think many in mp.net who are Republicans would not appreciate your post.
Ultra malay... so young yet you fell to the dark side.
Eokboy
02-09-2010, 04:55 AM
Ultra malay... so young yet you fell to the dark side.
Says the guy with the parang.
i use it to cut grass and shave
junglejim
02-09-2010, 05:03 AM
I think at the brink of disintegration your leaders, what most leaders would do, is blame it in a foreign entity and go to war with them. This will create an atmosphere of fear and paranoia as well as unite the people to overcome a Clear and Present Danger. There's Singapore, Indonesia, or the Philippines... take your pick.
all three are dangerous adversaries..... maybe the PLA need to flex its muscle in spartly.. so that we could have a short vicious battle..then everyone united. Not even that gay anwar ibrahim can stop it.
junglejim
02-09-2010, 05:27 AM
It need not be a shooting war, just saber rattling on both parties involved.
thats not enough.. Malaysia already receive 2 cubic tonnes of craap everytime one of you guys had a presidential election...
junglejim
02-09-2010, 05:37 AM
thats not enough.. Malaysia already receive 2 cubic tonnes of craap everytime one of you guys had a presidential election...
If it makes you feel better so far in our up and coming election nobody has mentioned Sabah yet. Lets keep our fingers crossed that it stayes that way.
Sootan
02-09-2010, 08:25 PM
I think at the brink of disintegration your leaders, what most leaders would do, is blame it in a foreign entity and go to war with them. This will create an atmosphere of fear and paranoia as well as unite the people to overcome a Clear and Present Danger. There's Singapore, Indonesia, or the Philippines... take your pick.
Nah.... Spirit of ASEAN's brotherhood wouldn't let that happen....;)
Sootan
02-09-2010, 08:26 PM
I think many in mp.net who are Republicans would not appreciate your post.
Lay off the paranoia. So what's your solution..... revolution and purification?
pg_ord
02-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Article is way too alarmist...
Eokboy
02-13-2010, 03:35 AM
Lay off the paranoia. So what's your solution..... revolution and purification?
My solution is centered on correcting a 50 year old mistake: a short-sighted citizenship policy incongruent to that of other countries in the world.
1. Let DAP lift NEP regulations in Penang island as an incentive for the chinese from the mainland to move there.
2. Offer flight tickets and limited funding for non-malays in non-malay-heavy urban addresses to immigrate to other countries.
3. Abolish chinese and indian vernacular schools in the mainland. Purge chinese chambers of commerce (price-fixing cartels).
4. Once gradual reduction of non-malay population in the peninsula is accelerated, offer re-entry schemes with limited Bumiputera privileges for non-malays with fluent Bahasa, but this time ensure even distribution to ensure assimilation. Refer to chinese in east coast states.
My solution, however politically/economically damaging, will save many lives from an impending genocide. It seems like PERKASA may be able to pull this off. But if they're also full of incompetents, Malaysia is going to hell in a handbasket.
damn ... one day remind me not to vote YOU if you ever be in politics.
junglejim
02-13-2010, 07:55 AM
For your sake, I hope Malaysia doesnt have many EOKboys lying around. Cause man Im sure that will be an excuse to carve that country up.
nasiru
02-13-2010, 09:09 AM
i like no 2,3 and 4 . Dunno about number 1 though
hulaku
02-13-2010, 09:11 AM
i like no 2,3 and 4 . Dunno about number 1 though
What about the Indians or Chinese who follow Islam?
lotsoffreetime
02-13-2010, 09:29 AM
Eokboy, I really hope you're just high. ****, I fully know how the Malays and Chinese have issues with each other and they loved to talk with their friends in the coffee shop about how they hated the Malays / Chinese. But more than anything, those talks are just words. Malaysians fully knew that an open conflict between these two races will not produce anything of benefit. Without chinese the economy is doomed. What we need right now is to kick out those RACE based parties (you know what I meant) from ruling Malaysia.
It's a race tug of war in Malaysian politics with each racial party trying to secure as much interest, giving hateful speech just to gain support from Malays etc. We need these people out. It's time we have a united party for ALL Malaysians, not for Malay Malaysians,Chinese Malaysians etc.
I believe in my country. All we need is to abolish those chinese/ indian schools and let the children learn in the same school so they can integrate. Plus more than anything, stop voting for these RACE parties. They have always been the root of the problem.
Eokboy
02-13-2010, 02:48 PM
It's a race tug of war in Malaysian politics with each racial party trying to secure as much interest, giving hateful speech just to gain support from Malays etc. We need these people out. It's time we have a united party for ALL Malaysians, not for Malay Malaysians,Chinese Malaysians etc.
I believe in my country. All we need is to abolish those chinese/ indian schools and let the children learn in the same school so they can integrate. Plus more than anything, stop voting for these RACE parties. They have always been the root of the problem.
The problem is many people don't agree with you, therefore I think along this fact.
Besides, if the USA gives language and history tests to immigrants applying for their citizenship, what makes my suggestion so unpalatable?
What about 5. Have the British recolonize us and make English the official language?
damn ... one day remind me not to vote YOU if you ever be in politics.
Wait until your spirit of Malay Hegemony explodes when the inevitable happens. You'll drive me around in your Jeep for my campaign. nyaHAHAHA!
lotsoffreetime
02-13-2010, 04:39 PM
It's really hard to accept and see the Chinese as people if you don't befriend them. For your sake Eokboy, I hope you have at least one. A real friend, not the kind of people that you say 'Hi!' and have a light chat with.
1. Let DAP lift NEP regulations in Penang island as an incentive for the chinese from the mainland to move there.
Not a smart move. You want to create another chinese majority country? You try to shoo them away from the peninsula and expect them to still be loyal to Malaysia? Look at the map and see the consequences. Geographically, we will be 'check'ed by 2 neighbouring countries that might / might not be friendly with us.
2. Offer flight tickets and limited funding for non-malays in non-malay-heavy urban addresses to immigrate to other countries.
Are you kidding? These people, much like us accepts the fact that they're Malaysian. If they hate living here most of them would have emigrate long ago. Stop your paranoia.
You really need to accept the fact that Malaysia was never a Malay state. It's not. And you better stop mixing with like-minded crowd. Your kind is dangerous. Nobody will hear you when the economy is good and politically stabil, but when things going upside down it might be another case. Plus your idea sound fascist and racist to me. For God's sake I just hope you're being sarcastic.
Eokboy
02-13-2010, 05:52 PM
It's really hard to accept and see the Chinese as people if you don't befriend them. For your sake Eokboy, I hope you have at least one. A real friend, not the kind of people that you say 'Hi!' and have a light chat with.
In Form 4-5, I was one of 4 malay students in a class of 40. I have more non-malay friends than the average malay, and most pertinently I have befriended them as a minority which is an experience few Malaysian malays can attest to have. When I moved to Shah Alam, I hung out in UiTM and mingled with rural malays. I lurk cari.com.my and lowyat.net forums, read Utusan, Harakah and Malaysia Today. I challenge you to find me somebody who has a better finger on the pulse of the rakyat. My position is an aggregation of opinions from all spectrums; 8 years worth of research.
So, if you think I'm racist, you might want to re-read my posts.
Not a smart move. You want to create another chinese majority country? You try to shoo them away from the peninsula and expect them to still be loyal to Malaysia? Look at the map and see the consequences. Geographically, we will be 'check'ed by 2 neighbouring countries that might / might not be friendly with us.
How did you arrive at a conclusion that I am calling for a second Singapore? Penang island is already a chinese majority state FYI, but secession is far from any consideration.
Are you kidding? These people, much like us accepts the fact that they're Malaysian. If they hate living here most of them would have emigrate long ago. Stop your paranoia.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=23&t=1108026&st=
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1284633&hl=
Most don't have the means to.
You really need to accept the fact that Malaysia was never a Malay state. It's not. And you better stop mixing with like-minded crowd. Your kind is dangerous. Nobody will hear you when the economy is good and politically stabil, but when things going upside down it might be another case. Plus your idea sound fascist and racist to me. For God's sake I just hope you're being sarcastic.
800 years of civilization but Malaysia was never a malay state? What was it then?
lotsoffreetime
02-13-2010, 06:38 PM
1. It's great to know that you have more chinese friends than I will ever have, but still your proposition is disturbing.
How did you arrive at a conclusion that I am calling for a second Singapore? Penang island is already a chinese majority state FYI, but secession is far from any consideration.
800 years of civilization but Malaysia was never a malay state? What was it then?
2. The whole idea of telling the chinese to go away in an island, and tell them "'If you could be a good boy and act like us, you can be one of us but a bit inferior'' is just absurd. That contains elements of Malay supremacy. Not racist? And then you think they're gonna spend their day improving their Malay language just to please the majority? Think. The majority shooed you. Now you, the minority, would you still want to mingle with these racist, homogenous society? I don't think so. They'll pull off another Singapore.
3. I was talking about Malaysia. Not history of Tanah Melayu. Plus, who was the Sultan of Malacca? Is he even a Malay native? Parameswara was an immigrant from Sumatra. Who was Tun Mutahir? He comes from an indian muslim (immigrant) family as well. The Malays have shown great amount of racial tolerance waaaaay before Malaysia was established. These apparent racism you seen today is brought about by these Race parties. I don't have to name them. You know who they are.
4. The links you gave me, they proved nothing. People dream about a better life as means of escapism all the time. Plus most of them wants to go to Japan & the US. That's not a chinese majority country. What's the purpose then? Escape from Malaysia to be another minority in a non- chinese majority country? WTF?
Eokboy
02-13-2010, 07:14 PM
1. It's great to know that you have more chinese friends than I will ever have, but still your proposition is disturbing.
2. The whole idea of telling the chinese to go away in an island, and tell them "'If you could be a good boy and act like us, you can be one of us but a bit inferior'' is just absurd. That contains elements of Malay supremacy. Not racist? And then you think they're gonna spend their day improving their Malay language just to please the majority? Think. The majority shooed you. Now you, the minority, would you still want to mingle with these racist, homogenous society? I don't think so. They'll pull off another Singapore.
3. I was talking about Malaysia. Not history of Tanah Melayu. Plus, who was the Sultan of Malacca? Is he even a Malay native? Parameswara was an immigrant from Sumatra. Who was Tun Mutahir? He comes from an indian muslim (immigrant) family as well. The Malays have shown great amount of racial tolerance waaaaay before Malaysia was established. These apparent racism you seen today is brought about by these Race parties. I don't have to name them. You know who they are.
4. The links you gave me, they proved nothing. People dream about a better life as means of escapism all the time. Plus most of them wants to go to Japan & the US. That's not a chinese majority country. What's the purpose then? Escape from Malaysia to be another minority in a non- chinese majority country? WTF?
1. Why is it disturbing? They're not even forced to go, it is up to them to take it up which they should and in numbers too. Demography can then be manipulated to our liking.
2. As opposed to being even more underprivileged which is the case now? And having to hear their endless whining...
3. The malays have shown great tolerance because they are retarded. No other race in the world would permit such wholesale immigration and hasteful citizenship policy. Can you flood Australia with your kind, change the way they talk and do business? The Brits too are like malays 50 years ago letting in immigrant muslims and now they are already showing concern. Vietnamese and Thai chinese had to change their names and abandon their language, and they still aren't fully acknowledged.
4. Imigresen statistics support my argument.
lotsoffreetime
02-13-2010, 07:34 PM
No other race in the world would permit such wholesale immigration and hasteful citizenship policy. Vietnamese and Thai chinese had to change their names and abandon their language, and they still aren't fully acknowledged.
4. Imigresen statistics support my argument.
Vietnam has Viet ethnic majority of 86%.
Thai+Lao comprises 75% majority in Thailand.
Malays+Bumiputra : 61%.
Not really that big of a majority especially if you realize that Malay just makes 50% of the population. Add it with the race party's constant bickering about minor religious issues that upsets the non muslim bumiputra, how do you think it's possible to pull such thing off? How do you think the parliament would approve such a thing? You gonna set law that all MP must be Malay? Keep on dreaming.
It's only natural that people tend to emigrate from developing countries into developed ones. Especially the professionals who think that they are under appreciated, with low salary when working with the government.
Eokboy
02-13-2010, 07:49 PM
Vietnam has Viet ethnic majority of 86%.
Thai+Lao comprises 75% majority in Thailand.
Malays+Bumiputra : 61%.
Not really that big of a majority especially if you realize that Malay just makes 50% of the population. Add it with the race party's constant bickering about minor religious issues that upsets the non muslim bumiputra, how do you think it's possible to pull such thing off? How do you think the parliament would approve such a thing? You gonna set law that all MP must be Malay? Keep on dreaming.
It's only natural that people tend to emigrate from developing countries into developed ones. Especially the professionals who think that they are under appreciated, with low salary when working with the government.
Disguise it as a professional expatriate scheme that is open to all races, but only process non-malay applicants. The aim is to have >80% bumiputera percentage in the peninsula. Chauvinist chinese Malaysia Today whiner-posters will relish the opportunity. Stupid malay fears of losing our own land and rights would be rendered null, and hopefully we''ll get back to productive work if we don't want to starve.
lotsoffreetime
02-13-2010, 08:02 PM
Disguise it as a professional expatriate scheme that is open to all races, but only process non-malay applicants. The aim is to have >80% bumiputera percentage in the peninsula. Chauvinist chinese Malaysia Today whiner-posters will relish the opportunity. Stupid malay fears of losing our own land and rights would be rendered null, and hopefully we''ll get back to productive work if we don't want to starve.
So you attempt on moving them from the peninsula into a crowded island? All the while fooling the Malaysian population into obedience? You must be some sort of a magician..:lol:
LazerLordz
02-14-2010, 12:07 AM
and they'll all just migrate down south...:lol:
TheMiddlePath
02-14-2010, 12:46 AM
I believe in my country. All we need is to abolish those chinese/ indian schools and let the children learn in the same school so they can integrate.
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"In 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004), the prime minister announced that only two percent of Chinese students attended government schools. Opposition figure, Lim Guan Eng also came out in saying that 60,000 non-Chinese students attended Chinese vernacular schools."
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Government National School discipline sucks.
the whole idea is to get everyone live in peace.. together in peace.. not throwing anyone out.
mr. kurien
02-18-2010, 08:38 PM
a friend of mine which is chinese just gave me a box of chinese new year lime. thank you sifu. hehehehe... get i get another 1? and ang pow too caused i'm not married yet. :D
Cerri
02-18-2010, 09:08 PM
Is it an Asian Nation or a Middle Eastern Nation?
Have you ever looked at a map? EVER?
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 08:22 AM
My solution, however politically/economically damaging, will save many lives from an impending genocide. It seems like PERKASA may be able to pull this off. But if they're also full of incompetents, Malaysia is going to hell in a handbasket.
Chinese will take over in the next election, warns Perkasa
By Asrul Hadi Abdullah Sani, The Malaysian Insider
Malay nationalist group Perkasa warns that the Chinese community will use the next general election to take over the country.
Perkasa feels that the last general election weakened the Malays and empowered the Chinese community.
Dr Zubir Harun, director of Perkasa’ economic bureau, who was at the Malay Consultative Council’s (MPM) round-table discussion, said during his presentation that a divided Malay community will empower the other races.
According to delegates at the discussion and documents received by The Malaysian Insider, Perkasa wants the New Economic Policy (NEP) to be the “spirit” of the New Economic Model (NEM).
“Perkasa believes that disunity among the Malays has weakened Umno, causing the non-Malays to be more vocal in their demands. They say that the Chinese are also blackmailing the government to give in to their demands by threatening to vote for Pakatan Rakyat,” said one of the delegates.
Zubir also said that Perkasa is worried that the New Economic Model will have a Chinese agenda.
“The Chinese people feel that the next general election is the best opportunity for them to gain power in this country.
“This is why Chinese NGOs, such as Ziong Dong and Associated Chinese Chambers of Commerce, are using this chance to make demands of the government. If their demands are not met, then they will vote Pakatan Rakyat who are willing to give everything to the Chinese,” he elaborated in his presentation.
Zubir added that the Malays have “sacrificed” for the country by allowing “the immigrants” to live in Malaysia.
More: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/55624-chinese-will-take-over-in-the-next-election-warns-perkasa
Well, seems like what I was saying has been put in motion after all. They even got a bi-weekly newspaper, and their publishing permit has been approved of rather quickly too which implies solid backing by the government. You may think I'm a nutcase, but I won't resort to violence. Imagine an angry mob with 10 cent machetes just as nutty as me. My oh my, very exciting. The utopianist BN leaders and their perpetually ignorant hunky dory supporters, their faces I'd like to see.
junglejim
03-08-2010, 08:33 AM
Why are you guys so afraid of the Chinese? Do you think that the Malay without government help can't fend for himself and compete against the Malaysian Chinese?
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 08:42 AM
Why are you guys so afraid of the Chinese? Do you think that the Malay without government help can't fend for himself and compete against the Malaysian Chinese?
No. We're big pussies.
The malays, backwards and unproductive:
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5130/smurfs2.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/smurfs2.jpg/)
The chinese:
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7186/trencher1.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/trencher1.jpg/)
junglejim
03-08-2010, 08:46 AM
Haha, but seriously whats up with the segregation and scare tactics?
cwjian
03-08-2010, 08:55 AM
Why are you guys so afraid of the Chinese? Do you think that the Malay without government help can't fend for himself and compete against the Malaysian Chinese?
That is exactly what a lot of them believe back in Malaysia.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 09:01 AM
Haha, but seriously whats up with the segregation and scare tactics?
Human nature. We figured we should do it as long as we still have political power, otherwise we will be the one who is shafted like the malays in Singapore although not in paper.
junglejim
03-08-2010, 09:05 AM
Haha, then seriously sooner or later that's gonna explode, man.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:06 AM
Haha, then seriously sooner or later that's gonna explode, man.
I agree. Singapore Malays aren't shafted. In fact, as a whole, they're doing a lot better than the Malays in Malaysia.
junglejim
03-08-2010, 09:09 AM
I agree. Singapore Malays aren't shafted. In fact, as a whole, they're doing a lot better than the Malays in Malaysia.
I guess I just find it unique in South East Asia to have a country that is actively pushing for segregation by race and religion. When in fact it's neighbors are fine with the mix.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:11 AM
I guess I just find it unique in South East Asia to have a country that is actively pushing for segregation by race and religion. When in fact it's neighbors are fine with the mix.
It's mostly due to the propaganda the government spreads through the mainstream media. Before the internet arrived, all mainstream media was (and actually still is) controlled by the government.
junglejim
03-08-2010, 09:13 AM
It's mostly due to the propaganda the government spreads through the mainstream media. Before the internet arrived, all mainstream media was (and actually still is) controlled by the government.
That's why. It looks like it is actually government endrosed. I have no intention on starting a flame fest here, but it kinda looks like Apartheid Lite.
fearmongering politics Malaysia version.
the government never condone segregation. But certain element in the rulling party does. If the government are as what we perceived they wont bother proceed will all those unity campaign they have done, especially 1Malaysia campaign.
Only 2 political group that have this desire, segregation and fear.
1. Ultra Malays who fears that other races will overwhelmed them. They are small in number and although very laud in their hate campaign, never actually able to infuence the government Unity policy.
2. the opposition party, they will do anything and then put the blame on the government. Never mind the government always ask the people to calm down, to respect other races and religion... this effort were ridiculed. And instead they spread rumours, create fear spreading bull**** ..without any basis or even logic. There 2 cubic tonns of example of this... conspiracy theory creatively writen while linking it to an unrelated event (or intentionally invented by the opposition party, especially by that gay anwar).
then there is the naive, those who dont know... yet feels they know everything.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:14 AM
That's why. It looks like it is actually government endrosed. I have no intention on starting a flame fest here, but it kinda looks like Apartheid Lite.
Looks like? That's because it is government endorsed.
junglejim
03-08-2010, 09:15 AM
fearmongering politics Malaysia version.
Ok so on the ground it's a totally different scenario then? Im asking, never been to Malaysia. If its just fear mongering, man that is one dengrous fire your government is playing with.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:18 AM
Ok so on the ground it's a totally different scenario then? Im asking, never been to Malaysia. If its just fear mongering, man that is one dengrous fire your government is playing with.
Among the more well-educated, yes. It's mostly the more rural or nationalistic Malays who believe the government, and who form it's main power base. And there are a lot of them.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 09:19 AM
I agree. Singapore Malays aren't shafted. In fact, as a whole, they're doing a lot better than the Malays in Malaysia.
Hahahaha...
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:20 AM
Hahahaha...
What makes you say they are shafted?
It's mostly due to the propaganda the government spreads through the mainstream media. Before the internet arrived, all mainstream media was (and actually still is) controlled by the government.
not its not
Looks like? That's because it is government endorsed.
no it is not
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:25 AM
not its not
Yes it is. My father works in a newspaper company. He knows.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 09:25 AM
Haha, then seriously sooner or later that's gonna explode, man.
If you can get rich by doing this, you would.
Our politicians are internet trolls in real life with Swiss bank accounts.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:27 AM
not its not
Oh really?...it's not government endorsed?...
Yes it is. My father works in a newspaper company. He knows.
not ALL, but some. thats the different. You know your father ...yet do you actually know the Malaysian Journalism struggle? You know how many have actually 'rebelled'? These so called controlled papers were not actually controlled.. Your father knew this.
to be fair to you... the only paper that are wholy controlled by the UMNO are the Utusan Malaysia. The rest of the media simply choose side.
Oh really?...it's not government endorsed?...
Its not...
Among the more well-educated, yes. It's mostly the more rural or nationalistic Malays who believe the government, and who form it's main power base. And there are a lot of them.
you are wrong. Totally. AND I DONT LIVE IN THE ****ING RURAL AREA>
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:34 AM
not ALL, but some. thats the different. You know your father ...yet do you actually know the Malaysian Journalism struggle? You know how many have actually 'rebelled'? These so called controlled papers were not actually controlled.. Your father knew this.
to be fair to you... the only paper that are wholy controlled by the UMNO are the Utusan Malaysia. The rest of the media simply choose side.
It requires a government permit to publish a newspaper. If the government does not like what you publish, they can shut you down and accuse you of disturbing the peace. That's what happened to a lot of newspaper companies in the 80's around the time Mahathir came to power. My father's company was one of them and for a long time, my father was afraid he would be unemployed. The government can also use the "Show-Cause" letter too from the Home Ministry. All the major newspapers (including the paper my father works for, The Star) side with the government because if they don't toe the line, they will be forced to shut down.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:35 AM
you are wrong. Totally. AND I DONT LIVE IN THE ****ING RURAL AREA>
I said rural or nationalistic. You probably fall in the second category. :P
It requires a government permit to publish a newspaper. If the government does not like what you publish, they can shut you down and accuse you of disturbing the peace. That's what happened to a lot of newspaper companies in the 80's around the time Mahathir came to power. My father's company was one of them and for a long time, my father was afraid he would be unemployed. The government can also use the "Show-Cause" letter too from the Home Ministry. All the major newspapers (including the paper my father works for, The Star) side with the government because if they don't toe the line, they will be forced to shut down.
yes thats true under MAHATHIR WHICH FREAKING RETIRED.
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:36 AM
yes thats true under MAHATHIR WHICH FREAKING RETIRED.
It is still just as true now. It's just not as openly done. Few months ago, IIRC, The Star was issued a show-cause letter. I'm not sure for what, I'll have to ask my father again.
I said rural or nationalistic. You probably fall in the second category. :P
Really .... so in your opinion whoever vote in favour of the government are dumb villagers? How arrogant are you?
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:40 AM
Really .... so in your opinion whoever vote in favour of the government are dumb villagers? How arrogant are you?
You don't have to be both. You're probably just nationalistic. Doesn't mean you're dumb. Or you're a villager.
It is still just as true now. It's just not as openly done. Few months ago, IIRC, The Star was issued a show-cause letter. I'm not sure for what, I'll have to ask my father again.
then ask him.. in fact grow up ... then come here.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 09:42 AM
fearmongering politics Malaysia version.
the government never condone segregation. But certain element in the rulling party does. If the government are as what we perceived they wont bother proceed will all those unity campaign they have done, especially 1Malaysia campaign.
Only 2 political group that have this desire, segregation and fear.
1. Ultra Malays who fears that other races will overwhelmed them. They are small in number and although very laud in their hate campaign, never actually able to infuence the government Unity policy.
2. the opposition party, they will do anything and then put the blame on the government. Never mind the government always ask the people to calm down, to respect other races and religion... this effort were ridiculed. And instead they spread rumours, create fear spreading bull**** ..without any basis or even logic. There 2 cubic tonns of example of this... conspiracy theory creatively writen while linking it to an unrelated event (or intentionally invented by the opposition party, especially by that gay anwar).
then there is the naive, those who dont know... yet feels they know everything.
Why don't the government just sue the opposition parties like PAP did? Why let the problem run riot?
Are you saying all 100% negative allegations by the opposition against the government are false? The government is too busy to legally deal with these festering rumors and not because said rumors are actually true?
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:44 AM
then ask him.. in fact grow up ... then come here.
I lived in Malaysia for 19 years. I believe I am entitled to my perspective on Malaysian Politics.
You don't have to be both. You're probably just nationalistic. Doesn't mean you're dumb. Or you're a villager.
no you probably misundertood me. I already know you accuse me being nationalistic, which im not. ,...and believe you me i am very well educated as a lot of my colleague, we are patriotic... but definitely not nationalistic.
Now the first group are rural, so you saying all villagers are dumb? uneducated?
You are arrogant
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:47 AM
no you probably misundertood me. I already know you accuse me being nationalistic, which im not. ,...and believe you me i am very well educated as a lot of my colleague, we are patriotic... but definitely not nationalistic.
Now the first group are rural, so you saying all villagers are dumb? uneducated?
You are arrogant
Where in my post did I say they were dumb? I merely said they form the core of the goverment's support.
I lived in Malaysia for 19 years. I believe I am entitled to my perspective on Malaysian Politics.
grow up another 2 year
Among the more well-educated, yes. It's mostly the more rural or nationalistic Malays who believe the government, and who form it's main power base. And there are a lot of them.
explain this
cwjian
03-08-2010, 09:56 AM
explain this
I retract that statement then.
However, it is true that most of the village people are not well-educated. And they do form the part of core of the government's support.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 09:57 AM
no you probably misundertood me. I already know you accuse me being nationalistic, which im not. ,...and believe you me i am very well educated as a lot of my colleague, we are patriotic... but definitely not nationalistic.
Now the first group are rural, so you saying all villagers are dumb? uneducated?
You are arrogant
TDM said that the villagers are uneducated. Would you say that TDM is arrogant?
Its just plain truth. If most of the rural people are educated we would be doing better than Korea.
Besides, its not their fault they are uneducated.
thank you, i take back my word about you growing up. Im sorry
TDM said that the villagers are uneducated. Would you say that TDM is arrogant?
Its just plain truth. If most of the rural people are educated we would be doing better than Korea.
Besides, its not their fault they are uneducated.
which TDM? Mr Kurien are certainly well educated...and he basically live in the jungle... beats that.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 10:10 AM
which TDM? Mr Kurien are certainly well educated...and he basically live in the jungle... beats that
Tun Dr. Mahathir
So most villagers are educated? Most have diplomas/degrees, read a variety of newspapers, read >5 books a year?
Tun Dr. Mahathir
So most villagers are educated? Most have diplomas/degrees, read a variety of newspapers, read >5 books a year?
We already went past that mentality guys. The villagers are as smart as me... and you.... and i definitely have seen enough dumbarse who lives in the city to debunk that silly myth of yours. You dont need DIPLOMA to become smart.
...and dont throw that VILLAGERS DONT HAVE INTERNET BULLSHYT either.
I retract that statement then.
However, it is true that most of the village people are not well-educated. And they do form the part of core of the government's support.
very fast editing... the moment you saw someone slightly favouring your opinion you edit your post...
since we are in this topic GIVE ME THE NUMBER OF GRADUATES that came from the rural area in compare to the cities.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 10:25 AM
We already went past that mentality guys. The villagers are as smart as me... and you.... and i definitely have seen enough dumbarse who lives in the city to debunk that silly myth of yours. You dont need DIPLOMA to become smart.
...and dont throw that VILLAGERS DONT HAVE INTERNET BULLSHYT either.
Higher education is at least a reliable indicator.
So the villagers are equally intelligent as the urbanites. Therefore poverty in rural and urban areas should be equal too yes? Or are the rural people poor because they choose to remain so or not given enough opportunities, and not because they are uneducated.
Also, most BN votes come from the rural areas. As you said, the opposition parties dabble in lies. If urban voters fall for their deception but the rural voters did not, this certainly means that rural people are smarter than urban people. The urban population is rich but they are uneducated.
Higher education is at least a reliable indicator.
So the villagers are equally intelligent as the urbanites. Therefore poverty in rural and urban areas should be equal too yes? Or are the rural people poor because they choose to remain so or not given enough opportunities, and not because they are uneducated.
Also, most BN votes come from the rural areas. As you said, the opposition parties dabble in lies. If urban voters fall for their deception but the rural voters did not, this certainly means that rural people are smarter than urban people. The urban population is rich but they are uneducated.
1. the level of education are equal, the numbers of educated malaysian doesnt reflected with the place of their birth. If we take into consideration that those who graduates from university came from all type of urban condition and this includes the rural. Therefor the so called Urbanites more educated than the villagers are wrong, and vise versa.
2. opportunities exist parallel with development, although education plays a huge part, it is actually development that gave opportunities, the less the area was develop the less opportunities there is. That doesnt means those who lives in the rural area are dumb. Infact you should take into consideration that the Cities have a much denser population than the rural.
3. The last PRU12 election are certainly interesting. The electoral have got nothing to do with Ruralites or Urbanites. there are a lot of reason. But definately implying that the rural form the bulk of majority of the BN votes are a gross mistake. Imagine those rural who votes the opposition in Perak, KEdah and Kelantan... most of them are as rural as it get. Also how about those in johor where most of its citizen live in the cities? The vote for the BN.
Eokboy
03-08-2010, 11:18 AM
There are more graduates from rural areas than urban areas, but I can't find the percentage off each population. If 50% or urbanites and 50% of villagers are graduates, then we can say that they are equally educated.
Granted, a quick look through undi.info reveals voter alliances in urban areas depend on which race is the majority and not whether the voter is from the village or the city.
TheMiddlePath
03-08-2010, 10:58 PM
Chinese will take over in the next election, warns Perkasa
By Asrul Hadi Abdullah Sani, The Malaysian Insider
Malay nationalist group Perkasa warns that the Chinese community will use the next general election to take over the country.
Perkasa feels that the last general election weakened the Malays and empowered the Chinese community.
Won't happen. Chinese will never vote the opposition into power.
Eokboy
03-31-2010, 12:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBHAMp0-bLc&feature=player_embedded
**** Farish Noor and his pretentious overdone accent
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