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budanski
02-14-2003, 08:53 AM
A Maginot Line of Inspectors- There are many theories to explain the French position on Iraq. Some believe France is trying to retain its access to Iraqi oil. Others believe France is trying to hide its involvement in supplying Saddam?s nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. There are even reports of cash bribes to President Chirac from Baghdad. Many are simply ascribed to based on how low an observer?s opinions are of the French. If this is not part of a duplicitous plot, what could the French be thinking?

The French have proven time and again throughout the 20th Century that their tactical and strategic vision is woefully outdated. During World War I, the French annihilated a generation of their own youth by relying on human wave attacks against machine-guns and modern artillery. Following the war, France used the peace process to so cripple Germany?s economy that the nation was ripe for Hitler?s hate mongering. The French insisted on carving up old empires and creating new countries that have lead to many of today?s problems in the Balkans and the Middle-East.

Prior to World War II the French constructed massive concrete fortifications known as the Maginot Line to stop the Germans. The Germans simply drove around the Maginot Line and conquered France in only six weeks. France also had the largest and most modern army in the world; but its outdated tactics could not withstand the German blitzkrieg.

The democratic allies defeated imperialism in Italy, Germany, and Japan. The French response to their liberation was to enlist Nazi Prisoners of War into the Foreign Legion and dispatch them to enslave a new French Empire in Africa and Asia. This convinced many in the Third-World that the West intended to keep democracy and freedom for itself. In 1956 the French convinced Britain and Israel to join in its unilateral invasion of Egypt. This invasion was launched to embarrass President Nasser of Egypt for supporting Muslim rebels in the French colony Algeria. The only time in UN history that France used its Security Council veto power was to foil a UN resolution to stop their invasion of Egypt. The French unilateral wars against Algeria and Egypt are one of the primary causes of Arab distrust of the West.

Now the country that blundered its way through the 20th Century wants to decide how to deal with the Iraq crisis. They believe that inspectors and sanctions will contain Iraq?s Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)program. They are trying to build a Maginot Line of UN Inspectors to protect themselves from WMD attacks. While this line of defenses, like the last one, may look impressively strong; Saddam has simply mounted his production on trucks and is driving them around the new Maginot Line.

Once again France?s strategic thinking is decades out of date. In the past WMD production and research required huge industrial complexes. Today?s facilities are truck mounted and can be hidden in a million places the inspectors will never look. In the first seven years of inspections the UN found documents to verify that Iraq may have produced ten billion lethal doses of biological toxins. The Iraqis have been able to hide these huge stockpiles from inspectors for twelve years.*

In previous wars it took large artillery bombardments to make chemical weapons effective. Today the weapons are more potent and terrorists provide an effective delivery system. Al Qaeda has been caught with plans to add chemical weapons into building ventilation systems. We could assign a UN Inspector to guard every air conditioner in the free world; but would they have the will to stop the slaughter, or would they stand aside and watch the massacre like UN Peacekeepers did at UN Safe Havens in Bosnia.*
During their 12 years of inspections the UN has proved Saddam had 36,000 WMD delivery systems he will not account for. The new round of inspections have found 18 of these weapons, with continued inspections they are on pace to find all of Saddam's weapons by September the 11th, of the year 2301. Only a fool or a Frenchman could believe we could contain the weapons for that long.*

The French still don?t realize that nations no longer need fleets of inspectable bombers and intercontinental missiles to attack their enemies. For the cost of 19 plane tickets the world?s only superpower was brought to its knees. Now what if those 19 attackers had WMD, how much damage could they do? A Defense Department analyst found that one plane spraying 440 pounds of anthrax over Manhattan would kill 1,000,000 people. Zacarias Moussaoui had the research on his laptop and Mohamed Atta tried to buy the cropduster. Why would Atta try to buy the cropduster unless he had access to WMD? The Czech Republic still affirms that Mohamed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence chief in early 2001. The Czechs expelled this ?diplomat? BEFORE 9-11-01 for providing assistance to terrorists who were planning to attack American and Jewish targets. An intelligence agent, from a hostile nation that is hiding WMD, was assisting Islamic terrorists and met with a suicide bomber who was trying to buy a crop duster to spray WMD. These actions occurred two years ago; yet the French don?t believe their ally Saddam and his alliance with terrorists is an ?imminent? threat.

The French have proven they have no interest in containment. They have signed agreements with Saddam to develop Iraqi oil fields when UN sanctions are lifted. Even though the inspectors have proven that Saddam is still hiding WMD; the French have tried on several occasion to have the inspections and sanctions lifted. Hans Blix has stated that he will submit a plan in March to end inspections and lift the sanctions; ending the containment the French and their apologists say will work.

(source: unknown. sent via email)

JiJoMacLE45
02-14-2003, 10:27 AM
Couldn't have said it any better.

Apogee
02-14-2003, 10:52 AM
Amen to that

hood
02-14-2003, 11:03 AM
"We could assign a UN Inspector to guard every air conditioner in the free world"

I got this wonderful image in my head of the Maytag repair guy sitting next to the air conditioner outside, sipping on a mint julip with a gas mask on.

Kitsune
02-14-2003, 01:21 PM
Ok come on stop this....
War is going to happen. Saddams days are numbered. I think that is clear now.

What will happen?
The Americans will start the war anyway... even without U.N. backing. That would damage the U.N. and no one wants that. Not the Americans... the U.N. is useful to them (always has been). Neither the French. They have a permanent seat in the security council...with veto power, while more powerful nations like Japan or Germany have not. And they want to keep it that way.

So I think (just a guess) there will be a second U.N. resolution. Around monday or tuesday. And it will be formulated in a way so that the French (possibly even the Germans, but thats not important) can say yes to it without loosing face, and the same time allowing the U.S. to interpret it in a way so that they can attack. Perhaps only days after this the first cruise missile will fly.
"Alea jacta est!" The die is cast already. (I think it was in fact long before 1441 was passed.)
So You can stop that francophobish babbling. It is not necessary.

Now let us see wether I am right and things happen like this. (Just for the fun of it)

Trigger
02-14-2003, 01:44 PM
I think the U.N. has made itself irrelevant by it's continued lack of consistency or backbone. Other than that, I agree that the U.S. will attack regardless of a new resolution.

Set your VCR! :D

JiJoMacLE45
02-14-2003, 03:09 PM
How can anyone take the UN seriously when they fail to act on their own resolutions. Nearly everytime the UN has called for military intervention/peacekeeping/etc., it is the US military putting its troops in harm's way(I know other countries contribute forces, but the US seems to do the bulk of the heavy lifting). Now when we(the US) are looking for military action, countries that have sent our boys into harms way balk at us dealing with an issue that pertains directly to our national security because they want to cut back channel deals for oil with ruthless dictators, then chastise us because we only want to fight this war for oil. Friggin hippocrits, screw you. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem. Get out of the way.

FallenAngel
02-14-2003, 06:18 PM
damn skippy JiJo.

American's have shed enough blood enforcing the UNs resolutions in the past, and now that WE want some back up....it's not backing US. This is why many people in the US think that we should get OUT of the UN...because it has nearly become nothing more than a banter house where BS is spread around, rebuked, and more BS thrown in.

I read an article from the New York Times the other day...said India should replace France on the Security Council for a number of reasons. A- its the largest democracy in the world...and is quite powerful. B- although they are not supporting the US in it's war drive, but it's doing from an objective standpoint, not "oh crap...we might loose billions!" standpoint. Very Interesting article.

Also...the EU and NATO are equally split over the issue. Brtiain, Italy, Spain, Belgium (i'm pretty sure) and one other country i forgot at the moment are backing the US's call for war, while France and Germany are against it. I think there's suppose to be a meeting though in Greece soon about the EU issue....something like getting all the EU nations to agree and not split up.

And...a personal side note: the Germans don't get any bad rap from my standpoint. They're a passive country...and I understand and respect that. They also send A LOT of aide the US right after Sept. 11th and they currently have the most troops in Afghanistan right now as US forces are being re-deployed to the Gulf region. So...no complaints...they've towed their line and are just saying they dont believe a war with Iraq is necissary- which I respect.

The French on the other hand....well, We can all agree there's going to be a war. I think It's better for the French to just jump on the band wagon NOW...so they don't become even MORE at ends with the US than now (if that is even possible.)

Sirpad
02-14-2003, 07:13 PM
Is it just me - or was realy NATO shot to hell?!
Personally, i think that should have happened a decade ago...

StarvingStudent47
02-14-2003, 07:30 PM
I think the United Nations lost all credibility this year when it decided that Libya should chair the Human Rights Commission and Iraq should chair the Commission on Disarmament. By letting that happen, Kofi Annan has proved himself to be either really dumb or has a really twisted sense of humor.

Yes, I am liberal. Yes, I support war with Iraq (to protect Turkey and Israel from WMD attack, if nothing else).

Kitsune
02-14-2003, 07:33 PM
THX Fallen Angel !!!

This seems to me a well-reasoned opinion that I do respect sincerly.

I think it is important that we keep this civil, even if opinons differ. After all... we are not nation-states... and even this crisis will be over someday.

hood
02-14-2003, 10:50 PM
Iron Fist. 'nuff said.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030214/capt.1045246924.un_iraq_xun139.jpg

FallenAngel
02-14-2003, 10:57 PM
@ Hood

"First we grab him by the balls....and THEN...." :D :fork:

budanski
02-14-2003, 11:35 PM
Heard something funny on one of the cable news channel last night. Forgot who said it but it went something along the lines like:

"....eventually they will come around to joining this fight. France is like the guy that brings a bagpipe to a hunting trip..."

Which rings true. France really sees itself becoming irrelavant to the world stage so it has to make as much noise as it can. I don't remember if they waited for any UN ok before invading the Suez Canal. "Unilateralism" is when France is NOT included.

snake6264
02-14-2003, 11:43 PM
There's an old saying

When you Got Them By The BALLS!!!
Their Hearts And Minds Will FOLLOW!!!

Be Safe
Snake6264

hood
02-15-2003, 12:11 AM
yep.. this was the cover of the new york post today... no kidding...

http://www.nypost.com/images/front021403.gif

budanski
02-15-2003, 01:07 AM
The "Axil of Weasels" will no doubt scramble onto the postwar brigades to avoid being deprived of a share of the spoils once they'll see how quickly the war is won with just a few country of the willing.