London-teacher fired for complaining about Muslim students who praised 9/11

[JJC]

A British teacher was fired from his job after complaining that some of his Muslim students were celebrating the Sept. 11 hijackers as "heroes," the Daily Mail reported.
Nicholas Kafouris, 40, who taught at East London's Bigland Green Primary School for 12 years, is suing the school for racial discrimination after he was allegedly forced from his post because he would not tolerate the remarks of his students.
Kafouris claims members of his class, some as young as eight years old, openly praised Islamic extremists in his classroom, hailing the terrorists behind the attacks of Sept. 11 as "martyrs," the Daily Mail reported.
Kafouris alleges the students told him they "want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up," and "the Christians and Jews are our enemies, you too because you're a Christian," according to the Daily Mail.
The 465-student school is predominantly comprised of ethnic minorities with a majority of students from Muslim families. Many students do not speak English as their first language, the paper reported.
Kafouris is suing his former school, its head teacher, and the assistant head for racial discrimination.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585102,00.html?test=latestnewsWelcome to Britain--the land of Queens and future Jihadis. p-) How is the local media reporting this story?

[wotsnext]

Here we go again..................

[Jurinko]

Really, you think it will change with Cameron? I feel this PC in UK society is settled like cancer, after decade of new labor.

[Niall]

Don't visit London and you will avoid those pr1cks. Integration at its finest there!

[Mr.K]

UK is truly 1984: true is false, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.:-(

[Włóczykij]

I think it's important to understand and note, that every newspaper has a bias and every story has another side, Daily Mail: Teacher forced out of job denies racist remarks (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249690/Christian-teacher-forced-job-denies-insulting-Muslim-girl-headscarf.html).

On that note, I'm not an apologist. Clearly, Britain is in a constant and difficult position on the intergration of immigrants from the Muslim World. Which only fuel the bigotry and hatred of the British Nationalist Party; at the same time that bigotry only fuels the justification for the fundamentalist militant extremists attempting to gain curtsy and favour with the young idealistic ignorant youth.

With the aspect of racism, undoubtedly the controversy stemming from allegations of deep rooted bigotry are nearly impossible to ever pin-point to an actual host. However it is obvious, whether or not either side holds the stereotype and the racist world view, that in the end, it is the fault of the parent and authority figure for the continuing promotion of such arrogance and ignorance.

The precedent of allowing for this hateful speech to be nearly tolerated and glossed over, is the sheer fact that while the United Kingdom has laws against Hate Speech; these laws have not been used to condemn the works of people like David Irving; the most infamous Holocaust Denier. With the lack of obvious decision to uphold Irving, I think it must be assumed that in a system such as the United Kingdom's, which works on the idea of precedent; hate speech will be tolerated for the most part, unless it leads to actual physical violence.

[Muzungu]

This news must have pleased the jehadis and will encourage them to do more harm in the UK!

[Universal_Soldier]

Only in Britain!!! They will pass this one for freedom of speech.....I don't know what it will take for British govt. to get their heads out of their arses.

[Mr.K]

I think it's important to understand and note, that every newspaper has a bias and every story has another side, Daily Mail: Teacher forced out of job denies racist remarks (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249690/Christian-teacher-forced-job-denies-insulting-Muslim-girl-headscarf.html).
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What he said was much less harming than what his pupils said. Why wear a headscarf indoors? Want to practice religion, you are free to go to your very own private non-subsidized school.

[Niall]

What he said was much less harming than what his pupils said. Why wear a headscarf indoors? Want to practice religion, you are free to go to your very own private non-subsidized school.

Exactly, I was never allowed to wear hats indoors at school. Why should they be able to wear anything on their heads.

[JJHH]

Wtf is going on in Brittain. Have they forgotten 2005?

If I were the director of a school, Mr. Nicholas Kafouri could teach at my school anyday.

[Włóczykij]

As political correctness now stands as the norm of social participation; I think the argument of ensuring that religious individuals practice within the confines of their own homes and or religious instituions is invalid.

As Britain has maintained the air of intergration through positive multi-cultural appreciation/tolerance policy, the argument for holding religious activites and practice in private cannot be made. As undoubtedly, those of varying diversity will claim that their religious beliefs are part of their cultural identity; thus headwear, clothing, so on and so forth is a part of a much larger identity, which cannot be denied by any individual.

Whether you view that as wrong or not, is obviously the on going debate. Which fuels the fire of fear of both separate views and extremes.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Its the Daily Mail and nobody buys the Mail for quality reporting its nothing more than outrage generator thats mostly full of adverts for hearing aids and stairlifts. Good for a laugh but quoting it in earnest is not the smartest thing you will ever do.

[maw]

Its the Daily Mail and nobody buys the Mail for quality reporting its nothing more than outrage generator thats mostly full of adverts for hearing aids and stairlifts. Good for a laugh but quoting it in earnest is not the smartest thing you will ever do.

do you have any information to add regarding the actual event? if so we'd like to hear it, otherwise don't dismiss the source.

[Włóczykij]

The Daily Mail considers itself a conservative paper, and is second only in readership and circulation to a truly tragic waste of paper, known as The Sun.

Undoubtedly, like stated before; all newspapers have a bias and all stories have two sides.

[wotsnext]

Why do Americans troll all through this sort of sh1t and then post it here? don't they have enough problems of there own?

[muck]

If this report is true, this would be a complete mind-fvck of political correctness in action.

[happyslapper]

Welcome to Britain--the land of Queens and future Jihadis. p-) How is the local media reporting this story?

Welcome to the United States--the land of mass shootings, sloppy joes, and taking tabloid sh;te as gospel
p-)

Considering teachers are actively encouraged to moniter and report on extremist views (of any kind)... this story's about as watertight as the Titanic.

[JJC]

Why do Americans troll all through this sort of sh1t and then post it here? don't they have enough problems of there own? Because your $hit affects the world too? And why do Europeans troll through our $hit and post it here too?p-) :roll:

[maw]

The Daily Mail considers itself a conservative paper, and is second only in readership and circulation to a truly tragic waste of paper, known as The Sun.

Undoubtedly, like stated before; all newspapers have a bias and all stories have two sides.

fine. then add to either side of the account. but don't vilify the source.

[Włóczykij]

I think it's important to understand and acknowledge the intended audience of an article; just as it's important to understand the bias that the source may have.

After all, different actors within the integration debate have different views; these biases and differing views are exploited than by either side of the debate.

Personally, I feel that not enough evidence is privy to us, the audience; in order to judge the matter properly.

Not to mention that an obvious mistake that the Fox News Article states is that the Teachers age is Forty, while the Daily Mail reports it at Fifty Two. Just as the headline and the obvious decision to not include the date of when the teacher was fired is important to the perceived opinion a reader will make. The Daily Mail reports that he was fired last April, being nearly a year since he taught at the school, while the assumption from reading the Fox News article would probably be, that he was fired recently.

[Euroamerican]

Why do Americans troll all through this sort of sh1t and then post it here? don't they have enough problems of there own?

Yes, we do have our own probs... But, we're still Anglocentric in language and culture, so the system pays attention to what's going on back at the former mothership. Plus, there is also probably a little Schadenfreude going on...:-|

[wotsnext]

Clearly, when it comes to matters of racial intergration and social cohesion, we could learn a lot from our US cousins. :)

[wotsnext]

Yes, we do have our own probs... But, we're still Anglocentric in language and culture, so the system pays attention to what's going on back at the former mothership. Plus, there is also probably a little Schadenfreude going on...:-|

Point taken.............

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

fine. then add to either side of the account. but don't vilify the source.The Daily Mail does not have exclusivity on this story and any one of the broad sheets could have reported what is actually a case of constructive dismissal at a local industrial tribunal by a teacher who taught infants. His claims are as yet only allegations and are as yet not fact. The other side that you speak of cannot make public any counter claim to the published allegations, as that would be prejudicial to the case.

[futurepilot2004]

but don't vilify the source.

I almost pissed myself laughing at that!!!
Its the Daily Mail ffsl!!!

[-Max2-]

Only in Britain. The motherland of political correctness.

[vinny_121_ND]

This means, if you're not tolerant to terrorism, you're fired.

[sasman73]

Why do Americans troll all through this sort of sh1t and then post it here? don't they have enough problems of there own?

The Daily Outrage looks like it has a potential huge readership base over there!

[sasman73]

Welcome to Britain--the land of Queens and future Jihadis. p-) How is the local media reporting this story?

Anyone would think that a US muslim hadn't just shot up double figures of his own countrymen at an army base or 5 US muslims been intercepted on their way to training camps in Pakistan or something.

The local media isn't reporting the story, just the Daily Fail

[OrangeWolf]

This is absolutely insane. Let's not derail anything by talking about supposed problems in the USA. The problem right here is this one.

Another great example of Londinistan, I sure hope some change will happen there.

[Tokamak]

do you have any information to add regarding the actual event? if so we'd like to hear it, otherwise don't dismiss the source.


fine. then add to either side of the account. but don't vilify the source.

WTF are you talking about, do you actually know anything about the Daily Mail?.

[Tokamak]

The Daily Outrage looks like it has a potential huge readership base over there!

They seem to have a fixation with it.

[cbreedon]

Anyone would think that a US muslim hadn't just shot up double figures of his own countrymen at an army base or 5 US muslims been intercepted on their way to training camps in Pakistan or something.

The local media isn't reporting the story, just the Daily Fail

not to derail and already derailed topic but unless you were in the sas in '73, you might want to change your name...

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

This is absolutely insane. Let's not derail anything by talking about supposed problems in the USA. The problem right here is this one.

Another great example of Londinistan, I sure hope some change will happen there.And yet another poor soul that takes everything the Mail puts out by the shovelful. A ready acceptance of unverified information as fact indicates a flawed mind.

[coltfan111]

I'm one of those who gets pretty pissed at all the PC crap and appeasing these "elements" in our society.

But this article reeks of BS.

[OrangeWolf]

And yet another poor soul that takes everything the Mail puts out by the shovelful. A ready acceptance of unverified information as fact indicates a flawed mind.

I never ever read the Mail so stop making assumptions allright? And seriously why do you speak of me as a "flawed mind" in a debate? I am sorry, what are you trying to point out other than irritating someone?

If this incident seriously happened then this should be discussed along with political correctness in general, and not be derailed by talking about problems in the USA just because Americans respond to this topic.

[sasman73]

not to derail and already derailed topic but unless you were in the sas in '73, you might want to change your name...

Meh, if this is a vets site I would. However, i'm hardly claiming to have slotted some terrorists wearing the black am I?

[coltfan111]

I just thought it meant that your sassy.

[Tokamak]

I never ever read the Mail so stop making assumptions allright? And seriously why do you speak of me as a "flawed mind" in a debate? I am sorry, what are you trying to point out other than irritating someone?

If this incident seriously happened then this should be discussed along with political correctness in general, and not be derailed by talking about problems in the USA just because Americans respond to this topic.

How many times do we see threads closed because of the idiotic topic or the really bad source?. The Daily Mail as we have said and proven many times in this forum is full of crap, but still it seems to attract all the trolls in this place.

[cbreedon]

Meh, if this is a vets site I would. However, i'm hardly claiming to have slotted some terrorists wearing the black am I?

enjoy the ride

[sasman73]

enjoy the ride

Am I going to be hunted down? lol

How do you change it anyway - I joined a year ago to search for some stuff and just used an old gaming tag

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I never ever read the Mail so stop making assumptions allright? And seriously why do you speak of me as a "flawed mind" in a debate? I am sorry, what are you trying to point out other than irritating someone?

If this incident seriously happened then this should be discussed along with political correctness in general, and not be derailed by talking about problems in the USA just because Americans respond to this topic.Have you forgot what you typed the first time.

Another great example of Londinistan, I sure hope some change will happen there.You cite a series of allegations as yet unproven as fact.
I would hazard a guess that your logic is flawed, or maybe your just shooting your mouth off because you have nothing more useful to contribute than your well worn term "Londinstan" which makes as much sense as me renaming the Netherlands as Animalf*ckland. Its silly so move on and grow up.

[timetraveller]

Its the Daily Mail and nobody buys the Mail for quality reporting its nothing more than outrage generator thats mostly full of adverts for hearing aids and stairlifts. Good for a laugh but quoting it in earnest is not the smartest thing you will ever do.

My mum buys it and i noticed how they used a pic of people camping and claimed it was left over of by people that disregard cleaning up etc etc ....
I fail to understand why the fuk she buys it .. It's utters baws and full o pish ,, period .

[timetraveller]

I never ever read the Mail so stop making assumptions allright? And seriously why do you speak of me as a "flawed mind" in a debate? I am sorry, what are you trying to point out other than irritating someone?

If this incident seriously happened then this should be discussed along with political correctness in general, and not be derailed by talking about problems in the USA just because Americans respond to this topic.


How can you say that about London by using the term " Londistan " when you don't even live in the City never mind the Country ...

You really are gullable ...........

[LineDoggie]

So If I understand the UK posters correctly, the Daily Mail is not to be trusted as a source

Could you tell us then which Left wing paper in the UK is to be used at all times as gospel then?

Thanks

[happyslapper]

Fantastic logic there. well fecking done.

[wotsnext]

So If I understand the UK posters correctly, the Daily Mail is not to be trusted as a source

Could you tell us then which Left wing paper in the UK is to be used at all times as gospel then?

Thanks


There you go...............

108762

[kimujnr]

Why does it seem like the UK is the only country where Islam has grown the balls to tell its hosts to "make them a Turkey sandwich and then go f**k themselves?"

[coltfan111]

Why does it seem like the UK is the only country where Islam has grown the balls to tell its hosts to "make them a Turkey sandwich and then go f**k themselves?"

Have you been here and witnessed it first hand on more than 1 occasion?

Our liberal government tries to be "culturally aware" which often does more damage than good. This is going on in almost every western European country. But if you look at serious issues, such as Islamic extremism, terrorism and so on then the British government comes down harder than almost any in Europe.

[kkbou]

I suppose there are some parts of London that would fit the crude 'Londonistan' label, but equally there are parts which could easily be labelled Dublin, Tel Aviv, Lisbon, kingston etc..

And its precisely because of the above, that London is the most exciting and vibrant place to live.

The daily mail is a rag for biggots and imbeciles.

[wotsnext]

The daily mail is a rag for biggots and imbeciles.

And dumb Americans, it seems,

[maw]

The Daily Mail does not have exclusivity on this story and any one of the broad sheets could have reported what is actually a case of constructive dismissal at a local industrial tribunal by a teacher who taught infants. His claims are as yet only allegations and are as yet not fact. The other side that you speak of cannot make public any counter claim to the published allegations, as that would be prejudicial to the case.

did the event take place? if yes then do we have another account? if yes then provide a link. if not then all we have to go by is the article. i'm old enough to know better than to take a single source account of an event at full face value. all media is biased and subjective.

my beef is the constant shooting down of opinions by using the source as a rhetorical tool. of course no one admits this, they just say that the source is crap/biased/inaccurate/etc and that it should be dismissed because the source doesn't meet someone else's subjective standards.

[Lazy Lob]

So If I understand the UK posters correctly, the Daily Mail is not to be trusted as a source

Could you tell us then which Left wing paper in the UK is to be used at all times as gospel then?

Thanks

The Mail is full of shyte but when a story breaks they're one of the first to chuck to the public. If you know their slant and take it into account they can be bloody good. The Telegraph is fvckin slow but has good reporting especially on the financial side of things. Times is the halfway house as far as speed goes.

The Mail is vilified and with good reason but when there's a good scoop they can be first off the mark, warts and all. And they pull no punches.

[LineDoggie]

And dumb Americans, it seems, Here ya go

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/butthurt-form.jpg

Fill it out in triplicate

[LineDoggie]

The Mail is full of shyte but when a story breaks they're one of the first to chuck to the public. If you know their slant and take it into account they can be bloody good. The Telegraph is fvckin slow but has good reporting especially on the financial side of things. Times is the halfway house as far as speed goes.

The Mail is vilified and with good reason but when there's a good scoop they can be first off the mark, warts and all. And they pull no punches.
Thanks for the Civil answer

[vinny_121_ND]

has there been a public enquiry? A career is ruined because of this? Has there been any public support for the teacher to be reinstated?

[Lazy Lob]

Thanks for the Civil answer

A pleasure...

[wotsnext]

[QUOTE=Linedoggie;4750345

Fill it out in triplicate[/QUOTE]

haha, you're a damn fool. :)

[Lov3ll]

Thanks for the Civil answer

You were given civil answers at the start of the thread before it turned into the typical londinistan bull**** it alway does.

[Euroamerican]

And dumb Americans, it seems,

:hug:
.........................


Not withstanding which vendor the news comes from....

Don't worry! We're all f-ed up (too?). I seem to remember several articles in the last few years about how a few US airports have been convinced by Somali cab drivers that the drivers can refuse to accept guide dogs (covered by ADA, you'd think) or alcohol in their cabs, and that the airports should put in foot-bathing facilities for their pre-prayer rituals. I don't know how they survived without them so far. Then there are stories of schools putting in "chapels" that only the one certain religion can use, then there are stories of cashiers who suddenly refuse to scan pork products at the grocery store.....

You can probably also use Detroit for some US-centric "-istan" wisecracks.

[California Joe]

This thread needs more Ex STAB. Is he banned again? He loves these threads. So what's the reality? This teacher tried to stick his **** in a Muslim or some sh*t?

[18SASS]

The Uks extent of PC is amazing...

[deagle]

so its ok for extremists to live, but a teacher who didn't really do anything wrong (didn't give them extra hw or other punishment or anything) gets in trouble ? looks like the terrorists are winning.

[Kilgor]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/4590251/Dominos-Pizza-outlet-bans-pork-in-favour-of-halal-menu.html

This is what the UK has come to.

Dont shoot the messenger.

[Lov3ll]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/4590251/Dominos-Pizza-outlet-bans-pork-in-favour-of-halal-menu.html

This is what the UK has come to.

Dont shoot the messenger.

OMG a business was losing money so decided to try catering to the locals and started making 30% profit this country's gone mad p-)

[Kilgor]

OMG a business was losing money so decided to try catering to the locals and started making 30% profit this country's gone mad p-)

At the exclusion of all business, which is what I have a problem with. Inclusion, not exclusion.

Unfortunately, what applies to pizza can also apply to democracy.

[Lov3ll]

At the exclusion of all business, which is what I have a problem with. Inclusion, not exclusion.

Unfortunately, what applies to pizza can also apply to democracy.

When they stop selling to whitey then I'll be outraged, removing pork from a menu to get business was clever theirs no hidden agenda other than money.

[Jurinko]

Funny to see so many apologists flying around. On one side they believe that WTC fell by [insert whatever, scaled only by their idiocy], on the other hand, when jihad youth praise 9/11 murderers, they are ready to reject even existence of London.

I don't know much about British newspapers, but DailyMail was the only one which did a good job on reporting on Climategate. Unlike BBC, which pension fund boss in green obsession invested its 8bln pounds into "renewables" chimera. BBC staff will thanks him very much. End of off-topic.

[G-AWZT]

BBC = Better Be Converted

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

At the exclusion of all business, which is what I have a problem with. Inclusion, not exclusion.

Unfortunately, what applies to pizza can also apply to democracy.We used to have a hotel round here that was a popular venue for weddings and a Sunday lunch but all of a sudden it went Kosher and targeted Jewish retirees is this exclusion or clever marketing. The hotel proved a success until the owners retired.

[Sootan]

We used to have a hotel round here that was a popular venue for weddings and a Sunday lunch but all of a sudden it went Kosher and targeted Jewish retirees is this exclusion or clever marketing. The hotel proved a success until the owners retired.

Clever and shrewd of the owner.

[Afro-European]

The once "Great" Britain has become a...

[Lemonz]

The reason the UK will drown in it's own blood is because of people like in this thread.
"THERE'S NOTHINGWRONG AT ALL, NOTHING TO SEE MOVE ALONG"
108822

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Thanks for the Civil answer

Just to expound a bit on LazyLob's comments (I am not British but have visited there numerous times and relied on the British press while living in Abu Dhabi). All comments are in my humble opinion.

In general, there are 4 London-based papers that are considered "major" and can be reasonably trusted to do a professional job of reporting.

Daily Telegraph--It will report from a Conservative standpoint and is considered to be allied with the Conservative party.

The Times--The Grand Old Paper, it tries to take an "above all politics" stance but tends to lean conservative in it's reporting.

The Independent--Smallest of the 4 majors, leans Left/Social Democrats but does seem (IMHO, remember) to try and strike a middle ground in reporting.

The Guardian--Unabashedly of the Left/Labour party and tends to report that way.

There are many other papers in London (one of the reasons I dearly love that city). Several worth mentioning:

Daily Mail--For Americans, think New York Post + Drudge report. Screaming headlines every day on some new outrage, but seldom the depth of investigation/reporting you find in the majors. Scandal sheet that as other mention, occasionally gets a hit.

Evening Standard--Sort of a mish-mash of stories, I never got the feeling that it leaned any particular way or did any real investigative reporting.

The Sun--The page 3 girls are the only thing worth showing from this paper.

Again, IMHO. Folks who actually live in England may have slightly different opinions.

As for the OP, I tend to go with Bacilluspolymyxa--there may be more to this story, or it may not be a story at all; and for it to be dredged up by Fox a year afterward is...interesting.

Press on.

[Billy No Mates]

The reason the UK will drown in it's own blood is because of people like in this thread.
"THERE'S NOTHINGWRONG AT ALL, NOTHING TO SEE MOVE ALONG"
108822

So a level response to a disciplinary issue over what may or may not have been said in a school,and a pizzeria catering for a niche market and the reporting on them in in the press means were all doomed....oh well hoo hum .

[ggk]

hailing the terrorists behind the attacks of Sept. 11 as "martyrs," the Daily Mail reported.
Kafouris alleges the students told him they "want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up," and "the Christians and Jews are our enemies, you too because you're a Christian,

ow rly...8 year old say that.....

[alexz]

OMG a business was losing money so decided to try catering to the locals and started making 30% profit this country's gone mad p-)

I missed that part where it says they been losing money and now making 30% more. Where is it in the article?

[b0sco]

ow rly...8 year oldsay that.....

Brainwashed from the start.

[Geezah]

And dumb Americans, it seems,

Don't forget dumb Brits then, as I used to read the Daily Mail in my late teens but moved over to the Express, but this was while Margaret Thatcher was in charge, so maybe things have changed drastically since LABOUR has been at the helm.........

It would be nice to be advised of a News Source that isn't biased over in the UK, as all I ever see from the British posters here is how the Mail is bad, but then nothing else is offered up as a substitute.

[SoftLion]

And dumb Americans, it seems,

Since no one answered the question, what is the accepted source of unbiased news over there, like our MSNBC here, that us dumb****s should be reading? On the homefront, I stay away from jilted lies and propoganda, like on that Faux News station, that everyone on Aljazzera warned me about. Did you know they have women who are pretty on that channel?

[sasman73]

Don't forget dumb Brits then

Well, bit difficult to as that's what it caters to. As I mentioned it seems by the look of this forum it would have a great readership in the States too!

It isn't known as the 'Daily Fail' or 'Daily Outrage' for nothing amongst the populace here. Most sensible Britons will not take anything any of its press says as gospel and will always look deeper into the story.
Has this story been taken up by any other UK media outlet?

The Mail caters for anti-this, anti-that prejudiced morons looking to be outraged about something or other.

Take for example, a French company may buy up the port of Dover company but this paper makes the story sound as though the French are buying the land rather than a company. Just for the outrage factor.

The Times, Indpendent & Telegraph are the quality papers but even they have their own agendas.

[sasman73]

Have a go on the Daily Mail random headline generator to see just the type of headlines this paper loves to come up with!
http://thats****ingstupid.com/dailymail/

Hmm, it got censored - I think you know the letters the stars represent - just keep refreshing the page for another 'fail' headline

[Lov3ll]

Don't forget dumb Brits then, as I used to read the Daily Mail in my late teens but moved over to the Express, but this was while Margaret Thatcher was in charge, so maybe things have changed drastically since LABOUR has been at the helm.........

It would be nice to be advised of a News Source that isn't biased over in the UK, as all I ever see from the British posters here is how the Mail is bad, but then nothing else is offered up as a substitute.

All papers are biased, but the problem with the Daily Mail is it's 10% fact 90% bull**** and the chances are if it has something to do with muslims the daily mail will post about it, they'll take a simple story and add so much speculation and bull**** they end up turning it into a completely different story, and it's mainly all of the posts about londonistan and Britain turning muslim and going to the dogs that pisses us Brits off most of this **** comes from people who take the daily mail as fact and have never stepped foot on blighty.

stainless steels post gets it pretty much bang on.



Just to expound a bit on LazyLob's comments (I am not British but have visited there numerous times and relied on the British press while living in Abu Dhabi). All comments are in my humble opinion.

In general, there are 4 London-based papers that are considered "major" and can be reasonably trusted to do a professional job of reporting.

Daily Telegraph--It will report from a Conservative standpoint and is considered to be allied with the Conservative party.

The Times--The Grand Old Paper, it tries to take an "above all politics" stance but tends to lean conservative in it's reporting.

The Independent--Smallest of the 4 majors, leans Left/Social Democrats but does seem (IMHO, remember) to try and strike a middle ground in reporting.

The Guardian--Unabashedly of the Left/Labour party and tends to report that way.

There are many other papers in London (one of the reasons I dearly love that city). Several worth mentioning:

Daily Mail--For Americans, think New York Post + Drudge report. Screaming headlines every day on some new outrage, but seldom the depth of investigation/reporting you find in the majors. Scandal sheet that as other mention, occasionally gets a hit.

Evening Standard--Sort of a mish-mash of stories, I never got the feeling that it leaned any particular way or did any real investigative reporting.

The Sun--The page 3 girls are the only thing worth showing from this paper.

Again, IMHO. Folks who actually live in England may have slightly different opinions.

As for the OP, I tend to go with Bacilluspolymyxa--there may be more to this story, or it may not be a story at all; and for it to be dredged up by Fox a year afterward is...interesting.

Press on.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Don't forget dumb Brits then, as I used to read the Daily Mail in my late teens but moved over to the Express, but this was while Margaret Thatcher was in charge, so maybe things have changed drastically since LABOUR has been at the helm.........

It would be nice to be advised of a News Source that isn't biased over in the UK, as all I ever see from the British posters here is how the Mail is bad, but then nothing else is offered up as a substitute.I think we have been over the alternative or should I most reliable British news outlets before Geezah its just that they do not pander to the biased tastes of some on here. The Times, The Scotsman, The Glasgow Herald all fairly respected broadsheets trying to stay as impartial and as balanced as possible. The Guardian and The Telegraph taking a political position but with integrity and you have the The Independent mostly center but may waver to the left of right depending the readers own position. This is not the first time on this thread or the forum in general where alternatives to the Daily Mail have been mentioned.

[LineDoggie]

ow rly...8 year old say that.....
Indoctrination, ask Baldur von Shirach or Mao how effective it can be

[ggk]

i certainly doubt the child said that... i think something did happen between the teacher and the student which resulting him being fired... but not because what being allegedly said...there must be more to this story. Any statement from the school in the article? Nada..only from the teacher.


He said there was a change in attitude of the pupils after the atrocities of September 11, 2001. They told him: 'We hate the Christians' and 'We hate the Jews', despite his attempts to stop them


uhuh... this incident happen in 2001 or 2010? because how can the 8 year old attitude changes if they still swimming in their dad scrotum in 2001?

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9259/article12493930832601f0.jpg

[khukuri]

Since no one answered the question, what is the accepted source of unbiased news over there, like our MSNBC here, that us dumb****s should be reading? On the homefront, I stay away from jilted lies and propoganda, like on that Faux News station, that everyone on Aljazzera warned me about. Did you know they have women who are pretty on that channel?

that question have been answered atleast twice already

[Sootan]

that question have been answered atleast twice already

And what is the accepted source of unbiased news is the US anyway? Rhetorical question.....

[Stefan850]

ow rly...8 year old say that.....

It is a lot more believable for a 8 year old to say that then an adult. Don't know what's your problem with it.

[Stefan850]

i certainly doubt the child said that... i think something did happen between the teacher and the student which resulting him being fired... but not because what being allegedly said...there must be more to this story. Any statement from the school in the article? Nada..only from the teacher.



uhuh... this incident happen in 2001 or 2010? because how can the 8 year old attitude changes if they still swimming in their dad scrotum in 2001?

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9259/article12493930832601f0.jpg

Not the same kid, perhaps?

[Curtis E. Bear]

So uhh, there seems to be a lot of Americans in this thread advocating AGAINST freedom of speech. Funny that.

[happyslapper]

Have we not called time on this thread yet?

It became a petri dish for flamers days ago, long after the initial discussions had been exhausted.

[AtlasString]

This Teacher must come to Arabia -_-"......
if you said ( 11 september ) or ( Osama Bin Laden ) in the streets of any arabian country,the intelligence agents will take you to prison from your ear -_-"...and you may never see the sun again

[vinny_121_ND]

So uhh, there seems to be a lot of Americans in this thread advocating AGAINST freedom of speech. Funny that.

I'm not against freedom of speech. Muslims can say all they want about their support of terrorism and making threats of more terrorism. I just want to make sure they're accountable for their words and not run under the racism shield and get people fired if they speak out.

[ggk]

its eight year old...for god sake

[Darklord]

its eight year old...for god sake

Be reasonable, ggk. Normal eight year olds?

Kafouris claims members of his class, some as young as eight years old, openly praised Islamic extremists in his classroom, hailing the terrorists behind the attacks of Sept. 11 as "martyrs," the Daily Mail reported. Kafouris alleges the students told him they "want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up," and "the Christians and Jews are our enemies, you too because you're a Christian," according to the Daily Mail.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I think the key word here is "alleges" Darklord. When I was 8 I wanted to be a Cowboy that way I could shoot up the town without apparent repercussions. It looked like a lot of fun.

[vinny_121_ND]

Sounds like teachers these days have lost all credibility. Blow the whistle, yell racism.

[Darklord]

I think the key word here is "alleges" Darklord. When I was 8 I wanted to be a Cowboy that way I could shoot up the town without apparent repercussions. It looked like a lot of fun.

That reply was for ggk's specific post, my friend. I am not at all getting into the arguments about authenticity or merits/demerits of the source article.

GGK's post gave off the impression, to me, that it was normal for eight year old kids going around saying "I want to grow up to be a suicide bomber," and hence that reply.

[JBH22]

That reply was for ggk's specific post, my friend. I am not at all getting into the arguments about authenticity or merits/demerits of the source article.

GGK's post gave off the impression, to me, that it was normal for eight year old kids going around saying "I want to grow up to be a suicide bomber," and hence that reply.

for some its natural ..............................

[ggk]

That reply was for ggk's specific post, my friend. I am not at all getting into the arguments about authenticity or merits/demerits of the source article.

GGK's post gave off the impression, to me, that it was normal for eight year old kids going around saying "I want to grow up to be a suicide bomber," and hence that reply.

dude i meant the opposite...
wtf is wrong with indian members sarcasm!!!. this is the 3rd time from a different members all Indian!

I meant they are just EIGHT YEARS OLD they can barely understand the world let alone the heavy freaking topic such as SUICIDE BOMBING or 9/11.. and for god sake i am pointing out there are probability that the teacher makes this acusation up..

[JBH22]

dude i meant the opposite...
wtf is wrong with indian members sarcasm!!!. this is the 3rd time from a different members all Indian!

I meant they are just EIGHT YEARS OLD they can barely understand the world let alone the heavy freaking topic such as SUICIDE BOMBING or 9/11.. and for god sake i am pointing out there are probability that the teacher makes this acusation up..

precisely they are 8years old they should be more concerned about reading books,watching cartoons like all 8year old kids not talking about suicide bombings.if the teacher makes this accusation up then good they fired him

[shiftypowpow]

GGK's post gave off the impression, to me, that it was normal for eight year old kids going around saying "I want to grow up to be a suicide bomber," and hence that reply.


Have you ever spent time around kids? There is no limit to the amount of stupid **** they say and do.

[Darklord]

dude i meant the opposite...
wtf is wrong with indian members sarcasm!!!. this is the 3rd time from a different members all Indian!

I meant they are just EIGHT YEARS OLD they can barely understand the world let alone the heavy freaking topic such as SUICIDE BOMBING or 9/11.. and for god sake i am pointing out there are probability that the teacher makes this acusation up..

You had to drag my nationality into this, didn't you? And where was the sarcasm in my post?

Again, if the teacher is making it up; no comments.

If not, they apparently know enough to pass comments like:
"the Christians and Jews are our enemies, you too because you're a Christian,"


Have you ever spent time around kids? There is no limit to the amount of stupid **** they say and do.

Taking the report at face value; eight year old kids saying to their teacher that you are our enemy because you are a Christian? Probably I should stop spending time with kids from now on.p-)

[lotsoffreetime]

Let me attempt on understanding the situation by saying that kids take what adults said seriously. Maybe he heard his father cussing some jew /christian fella, or some fired up adult told him about glorifying Jihad etc. The kid doesn't have a filter to understand that most people just talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Then he go to school, all fired up calling "you're my enemy, infidel, etc."

C'mon, kids are idiots. We all know that. We've been one.

[BigBaribal]

I told you so.

[finnguy]

I don't quite trust Fox news, but if this is true, the teacher should be praised, and the kids suspended.

[Curtis E. Bear]

I don't quite trust Fox news, but if this is true, the teacher should be praised, and the kids suspended.

So the kids should be suspended for exercising their right to freedom of speech? What about all your hurr durr FREEDUMS!?

[vinny_121_ND]

So the kids should be suspended for exercising their right to freedom of speech? What about all your hurr durr FREEDUMS!?

I remember a case in toronto last year where a U of T student was caught by CSIS for inciting terrorism and hatred online, and online chat forums. He hid under the freedom of speech law, so no charges were laid, he wasn't suspended from university. I guess you can now utter threats and say freedom of speech, no accountability.