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SBL
02-15-2010, 11:55 PM
It has been a bad—make that dreadful—few weeks for what used to be called the "settled science" of global warming, and especially for the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that is supposed to be its gold standard.
First it turns out that the Himalayan glaciers are not going to melt anytime soon, notwithstanding dire U.N. predictions. Next came news that an IPCC claim that global warming could destroy 40% of the Amazon was based on a report by an environmental pressure group. Other IPCC sources of scholarly note have included a mountaineering magazine and a student paper.
Since the climategate email story broke in November, the standard defense is that while the scandal may have revealed some all-too-human behavior by a handful of leading climatologists, it made no difference to the underlying science. We think the science is still disputable. But there's no doubt that climategate has spurred at least some reporters to scrutinize the IPCC's headline-grabbing claims in a way they had rarely done previously.


Take the rain forest claim. In its 2007 report, the IPCC wrote that "up to 40% of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation; this means that the tropical vegetation, hydrology and climate system in South America could change very rapidly to another steady state."
But as Jonathan Leake of London's Sunday Times reported last month, those claims were based on a report from the World Wildlife Fund, which in turn had fundamentally misrepresented a study in the journal Nature. The Nature study, Mr. Leake writes, "did not assess rainfall but in fact looked at the impact on the forest of human activity such as logging and burning."
The IPCC has relied on World Wildlife Fund studies regarding the "transformation of natural coastal areas," the "destruction of more mangroves," "glacial lake outbursts causing mudflows and avalanches," changes in the ecosystem of the "Mesoamerican reef," and so on. The Wildlife Fund is a green lobby that believes in global warming, and its "research" reflects its advocacy, not the scientific method.
The IPCC has also cited a study by British climatologist Nigel Arnell claiming that global warming could deplete water resources for as many as 4.5 billion people by the year 2085. But as our Anne Jolis reported in our European edition, the IPCC neglected to include Mr. Arnell's corollary finding, which is that global warming could also increase water resources for as many as six billion people.
The IPCC report made aggressive claims that "extreme weather-related events" had led to "rapidly rising costs." Never mind that the link between global warming and storms like Hurricane Katrina remains tenuous at best. More astonishing (or, maybe, not so astonishing) is that the IPCC again based its assertion on a single study that was not peer-reviewed. In fact, nobody can reliably establish a quantifiable connection between global warming and increased disaster-related costs. In Holland, there's even a minor uproar over the report's claim that 55% of the country is below sea level. It's 26%.
Meanwhile, one of the scientists at the center of the climategate fiasco has called into question other issues that the climate lobby has claimed are indisputable. Phil Jones, who stepped down as head of the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit amid the climate email scandal, told the BBC that the world may well have been warmer during medieval times than it is now.
This raises doubts about how much our current warming is man-made as opposed to merely another of the natural climate shifts that have taken place over the centuries. Mr. Jones also told the BBC there has been no "statistically significant" warming over the past 15 years, though he considers this to be temporary.
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All of this matters because the IPCC has been advertised as the last and definitive word on climate science. Its reports are the basis on which Al Gore, President Obama and others have claimed that climate ruin is inevitable unless the world reorganizes its economies with huge new taxes on carbon. Now we are discovering the U.N. reports are sloppy political documents intended to drive the climate lobby's regulatory agenda.
The lesson of climategate and now the IPCC's shoddy sourcing is that the claims of the global warming lobby need far more rigorous scrutiny.


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Martial
02-16-2010, 09:36 AM
Yep. Once you really start to buy into a theory denial of new findings is very strong. Lots of suckers out there will defend man-made climate change 'til their dead.

Dinges
02-16-2010, 10:05 AM
Actually , this whole debacle is a side-show for the ardent supporters and opponents alike. With all this happening there are still a vast amount of studies going on all over the world furthering our knowledge of Nature and how our bio-sphere functions.

Unfortunately the study of our climate have become so politicized on both sides of the argument that is overshadowing all the good and relevant information that comes from it.

And it is from these new information and inventions that at the end of the day has a lot of beneficial uses for us. You do not see all the governments running back and opening coal-fired power plants - even they realize it.

RSone
02-16-2010, 10:33 AM
About the claim about the Netherlands. The scientists responsible later 'rectified' themselves by saying the difference was made up of areas at risk of flooding by rising water levels in rivers. Technically they would be correct, i guess. Doesn't mean it isn't bloody stupid to just state the 55% figure without explaining it, especially when rhey are essentially two disparate factors. They were, wether wittingly or not, exaggerating the issue. Not to mention the enyirety of the country has known about this for years.

djv1255
02-16-2010, 10:43 AM
The "settled science" of global warming has become more unsettled.
There was the scientist, that studies past ice ages, predicting the next ice age starting in 5-15 years.
And a second scientist was also predicting the next ice age was coming.

Imp
02-16-2010, 12:34 PM
In Latin, Algor (****ounced Al Gore) means "cold or chilliness".

I'm not kidding. Check it out in any Latin dictionary.

happyslapper
02-16-2010, 12:47 PM
Actually , this whole debacle is a side-show for the ardent supporters and opponents alike. With all this happening there are still a vast amount of studies going on all over the world furthering our knowledge of Nature and how our bio-sphere functions.

Unfortunately the study of our climate have become so politicized on both sides of the argument that is overshadowing all the good and relevant information that comes from it.

And it is from these new information and inventions that at the end of the day has a lot of beneficial uses for us. You do not see all the governments running back and opening coal-fired power plants - even they realize it.

*REPORTED*

Talking common-sense is banned on any MP.net 'climate thread'.

Euroamerican
02-16-2010, 12:53 PM
Algore also means "globalschwindler"....... :-|

Not very scientific, I know.

Dinges
02-16-2010, 01:58 PM
*REPORTED*

Talking common-sense is banned on any MP.net 'climate thread'.

Oh! Woe is me , woe is me!


I am sorry for thinking - really I am.





p-)

budgie
02-16-2010, 07:39 PM
You know guys even if new science proves that global warming was a false alarm, what next? Do we just say 'Oh fcuk it, let's allow Exxon and Shell and dirty industry and petroleum powered vehicles and coal plants go on as before and pollute the world anyway? We should have learned a bigger lesson from the panic so far than just 'greenies are alarmists'. We need a cleaner planet. Pollution still kills in many ways and makes the world an uglier place for future generations. Everyone here is bending over backwards to defend their positions just for bragging rights but whether the world is warming or not, pollution is still making it a sorrier place to live. What people need to do is put aside this stupid left/right nonsense and think about ways to make the world cleaner, regardless. Everyone benefits, even the bigwigs at Shell, though they might be too busy counting lost revenue to smell the fresh air.

2495
02-16-2010, 07:45 PM
You know guys even if new science proves that global warming was a false alarm, what next? Do we just say 'Oh fcuk it, let's allow Exxon and Shell and dirty industry and petroleum powered vehicles and coal plants go on as before and pollute the world anyway? We should have learned a bigger lesson from the panic so far than just 'greenies are alarmists'. We need a cleaner planet. Pollution still kills in many ways and makes the world an uglier place for future generations. Everyone here is bending over backwards to defend their positions just for bragging rights but whether the world is warming or not, pollution is still making it a sorrier place to live. What people need to do is put aside this stupid left/right nonsense and think about ways to make the world cleaner, regardless. Everyone benefits, even the bigwigs at Shell, though they might be too busy counting lost revenue to smell the fresh air.

Its not a false alarm - it is lies and manipulation. Big difference.

I am 100% for a cleaner planet and greener ways of life - but not to be taxed badly and a few elitist scumsh1ts in Washington and Europe to make a killing through manipulation of data and getting in on the firms who just happen to have the solutions to our woes, and oh suprise suprise those politicos in on the ruse just happen to make mega bucks...

budgie
02-16-2010, 07:56 PM
And the energy giants funding the other side aren't making any money? Puh-leeze...

MaNiC
02-16-2010, 08:32 PM
This is nothing new. Many scientists have said in the past that predictions and projections regarding global climate change have been grossly over exaggerated. And because whenever a new study comes out the media usually focuses on the limited discussion part of the journal article describing future trends and generally things that involves speculation, the main stream consumer of this media now thinks that just because a few predictions have been shown to be false (which real climate experts knew they were as far back as a decade or so), they now think it therefore disproves the underlining science and data regarding greenhouse gases, the intensifying of weather around the globe, etc.

Let's face it, all of the sound predictions are not the ones that get publicity. It's the "OMGz the world is coming to an end in 10-20 years!!!" type of nonsense that grabs all the headlines. But even a bit of research shows that those headlines are often derivatives of computer models and climate predictions that don't hold much "science" to begin with.

The fact of the matter is that man does affect the environment and global climate change. It might not be so crystal clear as to how exactly each variable and factor will play out with one another, but that only means we need more research done on this topic, not that it is somehow a stupid conspiracy to "get rich quick". (Real original--not to mention paranoid!)

Ought Six
02-16-2010, 10:04 PM
Our atmosphere is an incredibly dynamic and complex system. This is why we cannot accurately predict the weather next week, much less years down the road. Scientists are guilty of more than just fraud and manipulation. They are guilty of supreme arrogance in buying their own claims of being able to actually model our climate. They are now beginning to reap the rewards of that hubris.

Chulo
02-16-2010, 10:07 PM
You know guys even if new science proves that global warming was a false alarm, what next? Do we just say 'Oh fcuk it, let's allow Exxon and Shell and dirty industry and petroleum powered vehicles and coal plants go on as before and pollute the world anyway? We should have learned a bigger lesson from the panic so far than just 'greenies are alarmists'. We need a cleaner planet. Pollution still kills in many ways and makes the world an uglier place for future generations. Everyone here is bending over backwards to defend their positions just for bragging rights but whether the world is warming or not, pollution is still making it a sorrier place to live. What people need to do is put aside this stupid left/right nonsense and think about ways to make the world cleaner, regardless. Everyone benefits, even the bigwigs at Shell, though they might be too busy counting lost revenue to smell the fresh air.

I agree, just because it is not happening does not mean we should go on polluting. However, ramming it down someones throat and then belittling any contrary view is not the way to go.

Noons86
02-16-2010, 10:18 PM
I agree, just because it is not happening does not mean we should go on polluting.

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Clockwinder
02-16-2010, 11:35 PM
Somewhere over the rainbow
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But for those ijits who deny deny deny ....
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