Sikh will be first non-white in far-right BNP

[hulaku]

An Indian (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/india.html)-born Sikh pensioner is hoping to become the first non-white member of the far-right British National Party (BNP) because he wants to fight Islamic extremism, he said on Monday.
(http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100215/r_t_afp_pl_britain/tpl-sikh-will-be-first-non-white-in-far-5b839a9_1.html?printer=1#ynw-article-part2)
Rajinder Singh, 78, is joining the BNP -- whose policies include stopping immigration (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/immigration-asylum.html) -- after the party voted Sunday to change its constitution to admit ethnic minorities for the first time, following a court ruling.

Singh, a retired teacher, was born in West Punjab and left India (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/india.html) in 1967.

He said he had seen the "potential of Islam", witnessing extensive violence after partition in 1947, and wanted to "save" Britain by working to prevent similar scenes here.

"Islam is global, it has zero loyalty to Britain," he said.

"The BNP are sons of soil and they are standing up for their soil. I wish we had a counterpart of the BNP in India in 1946."

He said he had adopted the "British way of life" but denied he had renounced Sikh values.

"Some Sikhs say 'You are not a Sikh', but I have core Sikh values," he added.

"Britain is changing, it's not the Britain I came to when I came in. The British people are worried, and the BNP is the expression of their worry".

Singh also praised BNP leader Nick Griffin for "taking on the whole storm of lefties" who wanted to encourage multiculturalism.

The BNP says it expects Singh to become an official member Tuesday, while Griffin has said he expects a "trickle, rather than a flood" of applications from ethnic minorities.

The party has no MPs in the House of Commons but two of its representatives sit in the European Parliament and it has dozens of local councillors around England.

Link
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20100215/tpl-sikh-will-be-first-non-white-in-far-5b839a9.html

[JBH22]

i think its that guy he gave an interview it says he's a sikh community leaderhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLeWpD98e84
i think its weird because the same Nick Griffin said this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gwFGeYF05E

[CMNot]

Poor old chap. Should he enter one of the BNP pubs round here, they would just think he was another 'Paki' to berate and slap around.

[rgjbloke]

There are some odd people around and he definately fits the mould. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he turns up for a BNP meeting. In a perverse way, he's either slightly brave or more probably has no imagination whatsoever of what his new comrades will think of him. With a bit of luck, once he's seen the reality of the BNP, he will retract his membership and confirm what everybody else already knows about them, that they are a bunch of facist racist's trying to implement a dictatorship akin to the Nazi regime that existed in Germany. I don't wish him luck or good health.

[Lov3ll]

It's brilliant how the BNP are saying that people can't call them racist anymore because they've been forced to allow non-white members to join the BNP rofl

[Deathchant]

Um ok then.

[oldsoak]

- unfortunately, if you look at some of the ethnic orientated organisations, their white membership is almost non-existant and theres a few that argue for positive descrimination. But they are not racist. We need to establish true meritocracy to rid ourselves of any discriminatory practice against any race.

[2495]

- unfortunately, if you look at some of the ethnic orientated organisations, their white membership is almost non-existant and theres a few that argue for positive descrimination. But they are not racist. We need to establish true meritocracy to rid ourselves of any discriminatory practice against any race.

I'd vote for that type of ruling to be forced into play. Anything else just makes the hate fester away - and in alot of cases I can see how and why it is justified in the minds of the people who fall victim to it.

[Warlord]

I can imagine the guy speaking with passion in that ubiquitous Indian accent.

I'm not white.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Once the BNP again berate the Indian community for covering up honor killings in the UK or they try to tap into another UAE for cash (remember Libya) I suspect a falling out of love.

[GiladS]

Today they showed on Channel 10 News in Israel footage from a rally by an organization called the EDL (English Defense League).

These guys look like what you'd expect from a xenophobic far right movement... shaved heads and so on.

However these guys were waving an Israeli flag... WTF?! :-|

[therifleman]

However these guys were waving an Israeli flag... WTF?! :-|

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[GiladS]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Crossed my mind as well.

However I resent having the Israeli flag portrayed as some sort of symbol in a conflict with Islam.

Now I can understand Britons opposing Islamism within their borders and I even commend it.

However the type of people in the BNP and the EDL make me feel very uneasy to say the least. It was said that the Jewish community was especially unhappy with this.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Crossed my mind as well.

However I resent having the Israeli flag portrayed as some sort of symbol in a conflict with Islam.

Now I can understand Britons opposing Islamism within their borders and I even commend it.

However the type of people in the BNP and the EDL make me feel very uneasy to say the least. It was said that the Jewish community was especially unhappy with this.The EDL seems to think its provocation and the Board Of Deputies are not best pleased about it.

[CMNot]

Gilad they have a habit of hijacking symbolism. I associate the Union Jack with the far right due to my experience of them hijacking it. Shame to see the uneducated filth now hijacking the St George flag (Englands national flag) in the name of their paki bashing party. Bad times. They should just run up a swastika or something and leave the national flags for the patriots.

[Blackcatnursery]

I have a Sikh who works for me and I can see why they would join the BNP. They are very loyal to the UK, very hard working and dislike Muslims. He used to work in the UK defence industry building and repairing tanks, technically skilled, speaks and write technical English even though it is not his first language.
Sikh's also suffered their own 'holocausts' with considerable loss of life, a fact not often published or known about. http://www.nationalsikhmuseum.com/
I did go to the opening of this museum and it was a real eye opener. (food was great too)
You can see from what the guy is saying (the one that wants to join the BNP) he wants to protect the English way of life from an invasion of Islam.
From my perspective this is not going to end well



Today they showed on Channel 10 News in Israel footage from a rally by an organization called the EDL (English Defense League). These guys look like what you'd expect from a xenophobic far right movement... shaved heads and so on. However these guys were waving an Israeli flag... WTF?! :-|
EDL/BNP etc. are far right. The thug element attached to them find their roots in football hooliganism etc. What you don't tend to see on TV is the UAF - Far Left Communist thugs.
http://www.uaf.org.uk/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehN7qSt9HMQ
The UAF are every bit as bad if not worse than the EDL/BNP and would appear to be sponsored by the Liebour Party to do their dirty work.
Wherever you find the EDL/BNP you find the other bunch of rent a thugs the UAF only difference is I suspect the UAF are sponsored by those in power to discredit (not hard) the EDL/BNP by forcing a confrontation and marginalising support for those organisations.
As for the Israeli flag god only knows what they were thinking, and I think that might be part of the reason why they will always remain on the periphery of UK politics.

[oldsoak]

Gilad they have a habit of hijacking symbolism. I associate the Union Jack with the far right due to my experience of them hijacking it. Shame to see the uneducated filth now hijacking the St George flag (Englands national flag) in the name of their paki bashing party. Bad times. They should just run up a swastika or something and leave the national flags for the patriots.

I totally agree. The Brit flag represents 4 nations and whoever wants to be part of that heritage and be a Brit. I want it waved by patriots, not xenaphobes.

[JCR]

I guess the BNP was
/remove sunglasses
SIKH of being called racist....
(Yeaaaah)
:cantbeli:

[khukuri]

The UAF are every bit as bad if not worse than the EDL/BNP and would appear to be sponsored by the Liebour Party to do their dirty work.
Wherever you find the EDL/BNP you find the other bunch of rent a thugs the UAF only difference is I suspect the UAF are sponsored by those in power to discredit (not hard) the EDL/BNP by forcing a confrontation and marginalising support for those organisations.
.

you lost all credit there

[UltimateHero]

http://www.uaf.org.uk/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehN7qSt9HMQ
WOW, those Muslims guys were going wild throwing rocks at police, but those 20 white Brits were surrounded like they were Hannibal Lecter. Am I missing something? Does English law not allow police to defend themselves from Muslim aggression for some reason?

[JBH22]

WOW, those Muslims guys were going wild throwing rocks at police, but those 20 white Brits were surrounded like they were Hannibal Lecter. Am I missing something? Does English law not allow police to defend themselves from Muslim aggression for some reason?

MINORITY appeasement has serious drawbacks just look what's happening in India and you'll get the picture.

[UltimateHero]

MINORITY appeasement has serious drawbacks just look what's happening in India and you'll get the picture.
Man that video of those guys throwing rocks at retreating cops was something else. I can't imagine too any American PDs putting up with that crap. Doesn't set a very good precedent for future encounters.
India hasn't been the focus of my extra-curricular reading but from what I know they've had deep-seeded problems for quite awhile.

[CMNot]

WOW, those Muslims guys were going wild throwing rocks at police, but those 20 white Brits were surrounded like they were Hannibal Lecter. Am I missing something? Does English law not allow police to defend themselves from Muslim aggression for some reason?

It's called containment. Such as when the 5 Muslims turned up at the Luton parade and were circled off by Police for their own protection in much the same way.

[Lov3ll]

you lost all credit there

Just a coincidence that the chairman of UAF is Ken Livingstone (Labour MP)?

[Blackcatnursery]

you lost all credit there
I have a lot of trouble spelling the big L word, as the original party ethos at least had some credibility. I could have used Nu La...., Socialist Workers Party or Communist Party but Liebour seems at this stage a much better tag. I would also suggest that the UAF will fade after the next election once their masters are not in power, we will see. They will probably go back to the ALF.


WOW, those Muslims guys were going wild throwing rocks at police, but those 20 white Brits were surrounded like they were Hannibal Lecter. Am I missing something? Does English law not allow police to defend themselves from Muslim aggression for some reason?
I posted that video so you could see the opposing sides. Police are stuck in the middle of this mess and tend to protect the smallest group from either side on the day.
The Police are trying very hard not to be seen to favour one group or the other and have good intelligence on both. At present it is minimal groups and easy to control if either gained large mainstream support then it could be a different ball game.


Just a coincidence that the chairman of UAF is Ken Livingstone (Labour MP)?
No its just a coincidence:roll: honest

[rgjbloke]

The UAF is really an umbrella organisation for opposing racists thats composed of the more far left of the British political spectrum. The majority of members will come from organisations like the Socialist Workers Party and the Militant Tendency or whatever that's called now. There will be some members who will come from the Labour party but again they will be more so from the left of the party, people such as such as Ken Livingstone etc. Many of these people were expelled from the Labour party years ago because they were entryist's. There will be some sympathy for those opposing racism from the Labour party but they are not orchestrated in anyway by Labour and it does not support people taking to the streets to do battle especially against the Police.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

what a dumb cvnt. he forgot about the Paki bashings ?

[pg_ord]

what now? cling on to this guy and claim BNP is "multicultural"? :cantbeli:

[UltimateHero]

It's called containment. Such as when the 5 Muslims turned up at the Luton parade and were circled off by Police for their own protection in much the same way.
Good point. That video was lacking perspective and I wasn't able to see anyone behind the polizia....but the ratio of police to that small group of protesters seems really high. To me it looks discriminatory, regardless of what group that is. They didn't give them any elbow room at all!

EDIT:
Thanks for the input Blackcatnursery.

[Blackcatnursery]

Thanks for the input Blackcatnursery.
Both sides post videos from mobile phones etc. every time there is a march or a meeting. Both sides blame each other for the violence. British mainstream media BBC and Sky only usually show EDL/BNP, UAF don't get as much coverage. There is a lot of nasty chatter between the two.
Sadly both sides are a symptom of a failing economy, unemployment, unrestricted immigration and political interfering.
The BNP constitution could have been challenged by the L party some years ago but the recent court case was politically motivated in my honest opinion and probably was not a clever move. Give them air gives them life, it was probably best left alone and they would return to a marginal party on the periphery of UK politics. Thing is they are biting into traditional L party vote and are attracting a lot of disaffected soft core L party voters. The election is going to be interesting.

[UltimateHero]

I'm not exactly sure exactly how far right the BNP is, but is this situation with the Sikh anything like this:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,635175667,00.html

[intelligenzija]

I guess the BNP was
/remove sunglasses
SIKH of being called racist....
(Yeaaaah)
:cantbeli:

that was acutally funny :D

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Thing is they are biting into traditional L party vote and are attracting a lot of disaffected soft core L party voters. The election is going to be interesting.The BNP could take a few UKIP types and a fair few working class Tory votes around the South East of England. The BNP seems to have gained some respect in Kent and the South East London burbs which is not surprising as the BUF and the NF had bedrock support in these areas way back. The BNP used to have a small but hard core loyal following up here but a good few of those have made their way back to Ulster as the internecine strife has died down somewhat and the drugs and racketeering game is a bit oversubscribed here at the moment.

[WingCommander]

MINORITY appeasement has serious drawbacks just look what's happening in India and you'll get the picture.

like the gujarat massacre ?

sometime you speak a load of ****e.

[JBH22]

like the gujarat massacre ?

sometime you speak a load of ****e.

2000 vs the thousands of people getting killed by terrorist since 1989 in India it unfortunately boils down to a numbers..if that's sH** so be it.btw minority appeasement occurs when a ruling party mp goes to visit the alleged terrorist family AND not the victims family.

[WingCommander]

2000 vs the thousands of people getting killed by terrorist since 1989 in India it unfortunately boils down to a numbers..if that's sH** so be it.btw minority appeasement occurs when a ruling party mp goes to visit the alleged terrorist family AND not the victims family.

:cantbeli:

so you're saying that indian muslims are actually the ones committing terrorist crimes rather than the tw*ts across the border ?

if you haven't noticed bombs have been exploded in temples and mosques alike by pak terrorists to create divide. Guess what they succeeded into making you believe that indian muslims are your enemy. well done...

[Blue P]

I can imagine the guy speaking with passion in that ubiquitous Indian accent.

that would be gold!! :D

[JBH22]

:cantbeli:

so you're saying that indian muslims are actually the ones committing terrorist crimes rather than the tw*ts across the border ?

if you haven't noticed bombs have been exploded in temples and mosques alike by pak terrorists to create divide. Guess what they succeeded into making you believe that indian muslims are your enemy. well done...

i never said that though there's for sure some people from india who help them out for money or religious convictions btw organisation have a like SIMI do not have bona fide towards India
its good that you take a stance on what happened in gujrat but would like to see your comments on the ethnic cleansing of kashmiri pandit

[VAMAN]

like the gujarat massacre ?

sometime you speak a load of ****e.
What massacre will you kindly clarify? I don't think you're are sufficiently informed.

[VAMAN]

:cantbeli:

so you're saying that indian muslims are actually the ones committing terrorist crimes rather than the tw*ts across the border ?

if you haven't noticed bombs have been exploded in temples and mosques alike by pak terrorists to create divide. Guess what they succeeded into making you believe that indian muslims are your enemy. well done...
Get yourself informed first before replying further. A lot of Indian Muslims have been involved anti-national activities.

1993 Mumbai serial bomb blasts
September 13, 2008 Delhi serial bomb attacks
2008 Bangalore serial blasts
2008 Ahmedabad serial bomb blasts etc.

I think these examples are enough though there are so many more bombing and other violent incidents. SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India) now a banned organization, aims for violent means to have Islamic rule over India. Many youths from Kerala state were found to be involved in militant activities in Kashmir. I can go on and on.

[WingCommander]

Yes pakis creating fake organizations like deccan mujahideen so as to lay blame elsewhere.

A hindu small business owner was arrested in jammu for laundering money for terrorists in which he got 30% profit, moreover hindus were arrested for the malegaon blasts so we should now assume that all hindus are terrorists ? The answer is no.

Yes there have been instances of brainwashed muslims helping terrorists but not all are terrorists.

Think objectively :)


its good that you take a stance on what happened in gujrat but would like to see your comments on the ethnic cleansing of kashmiri pandit

our spineless govt + pak backed terrorists and sympathizers = pandits being thrown out.

fact of the matter is that what happened to kashmiri pundits was wrong and what happened in gujarat was wrong and what happened in delhi was also wrong.

we should have taken all of kashmir in '71 along with some other land so as to make infiltration difficult.

P.S I was also about to make the mki my avatar but the nuke would do more damage :grin:

[IconOfEvi]

Here's a clue to all those who resent rightist use of the flag, or say "Leave the flag to the patriots"

The only reason its status is 'hijacked' is because you morons (the 'patriots', or whoever they are) stopped waving it years ago.



As a Sikh, I can see why he would ally himself with the BNP. They're the only party, however crude and racist, fighting for a "Britain", even if its not the one that ever existed. Lots of Gurkhas and Sikhs for example, have a loyalty to Britain, because our memories go back to the olden times. Its too bad the BNP is so magnificently racist, they shoot themselves in the foot doing that. Well theres always UKIP at least.

[rgjbloke]

Here's a clue to all those who resent rightist use of the flag, or say "Leave the flag to the patriots"

The only reason its status is 'hijacked' is because you morons (the 'patriots', or whoever they are) stopped waving it years ago.

As a Sikh, I can see why he would ally himself with the BNP. They're the only party, however crude and racist, fighting for a "Britain", even if its not the one that ever existed. Lots of Gurkhas and Sikhs for example, have a loyalty to Britain, because our memories go back to the olden times. Its too bad the BNP is so magnificently racist, they shoot themselves in the foot doing that. Well theres always UKIP at least.

Well if that was true, they would also be fighting for a Britain without any sikh's in it as well. The BNP are a racist facist party who want to gain political control of Britain and run it as a dictatorship for their own particular political ends. Like any party of their ilk, they know that the majority of ordinary voters would never vote for something that would mean a dictatorship. That being so, they cloud their intentions in the smokescreen of perceived racial impurity, claims of mass uncontrolled immigration, their perceived differences between diverse parts of the community and any other scaremongering tactic they can use to further their cause and frighten voters into believing that the BNP are the political answer. I remember one BNP poster proclaiming "they are coming for your daughters" and imprinted above the slogan was the outline of 3 figures clearly wearing Turbans. So much for their affinity with the Sikh community in Britain.

Most ordinary British people are not a flag waving bunch. We tend to be more reserved, except when someone get's our backs up. Then we do get the flags out and start waving them and we do step up to the plate about it when we need to. I don't think anyone could say we don't.

The BNP are gaining a small amount of support which is unfortunate but if you examine that support, it is either in areas where they have succeeded in scaring voters with their racist arguments or in areas where economic circumstances are extremely poor and people are voting for them as a protest against the Government and not in actual support of the BNP.

In a perverse way this is useful because its a wake up call to all those who should be doing better. It highlights to mainstream politicians that there are problems and that those politicians need to direct more resources towards those communities to turn around the economic difficulties existing there. When people have jobs, a wage coming in, money to spend and thriving social conditions, they wouldn't give the BNP a second, third or even fourth glance.