Can you say White European women?

[G3SG1]

If someone would name his organization ''White women of Europe '' or something would certainly be under scrutiny for possible racial issues.


But one organisation is called Black European Women's Council


Yvette Jarvis-Black European Women's Council Launch-part 2


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8328454769167339904#

http://www.blackwomencenter.org/en/afra/about-afra

[Chimera]

"White European women" would sound extremely offensive and considerably racist toward black people. Black European women sounds fine though.

She's from the US btw, why would she need to come in Europe and talk in the name of black European women?

And then the Obama did this and that speech at the end, she needs to fly back to Detroit leave us, racist Europeans, alone.

[Mousepad]

Uncreative cvnts. Call yourselves "Native women of Europe"... Profit... don't forget my royalties.

[muck]

"White European women" would sound extremely offensive and considerably racist toward black people. Black European women sounds fine though....whereas white European women are not supposed to take aforesaid designation "black European women" as extremely offensive and considerably racist toward white people?

One of the greatest myths of the modern days is that a minority couldn't be racist towards a majority.

[Chimera]

...whereas white European women are not supposed to take aforesaid designation "black European women" as extremely offensive and considerably racist toward white people?

I was being sarcastic muck... shouda added the :)

[Eye]

"Native women of Europe"
Best possible solution. It's simultaneously conservative and leftist :)

[zapatero]

"Native women of Europe"
Neanderthal females I assume. Nevertheless the whole idea of that organization is rubbish if you ask me.

[Gleipnir]

Neanderthals?
There were indigenous European cultures pre-Christianity.

[tercio67]

Neanderthals?
There were indigenous European cultures pre-Christianity.

One of those cultures survives today and are called Frisians, they produced Doutzen Kroes......just sayin.
p-)

[Gleipnir]

Hahaha
nice, although in all seriousness, the Sami probably have the most legitimate claim to such a categorization.

[Eye]

One of those cultures survives today and are called Frisians, Netherlands? They come from Neanderthals?

[G3SG1]

"White European women" would sound extremely offensive and considerably racist toward black people. Black European women sounds fine though.

She's from the US btw, why would she need to come in Europe and talk in the name of black European women?

And then the Obama did this and that speech at the end, she needs to fly back to Detroit leave us, racist Europeans, alone.


She lives in Greece.

http://www.yvettejarvis.gr/bio/?lang=en

[zapatero]

Neanderthals?
There were indigenous European cultures pre-Christianity.
You mean before Jesus was riding a dinosaur? BTW Since when Europe exists starting from the birth of Christianity?

[Gleipnir]

You mean before Jesus was riding a dinosaur? BTW Since when Europe exists starting from the birth of Christianity?

Perhaps a better question would be when did Christianity spread to the area known as Europe today?

[tercio67]

Netherlands? They come from Neanderthals?

Good one :)

(I mean, it was a joke right? because nobody can be that obtuse, right?)

[Imp]

Neanderthals?
There were indigenous European cultures pre-Christianity.

Look, after 2000 or 3000+ years, can we not agree that "White Europeans" in the context of this thread are, in fact, indigenous to Europe? You gotta put a limit on how far you go back, otherwise no group, anywhere, in any time, is indigenous unless they live in the Rift Valley in Africa (or wherever Homo Sapiens evolved).
Hell, the Sami people came from somewhere else. Doesn't that make them non-indigenous?

[Gleipnir]

Well if the Black European Women's Council are going to claim 'Black' how about when 'Europeans' developed pale skin pigmentation.

You see how fun and ridiculous all of these kinds of categorizations have the potential to be.

[Eye]

(I mean, it was a joke right? because nobody can be that obtuse, right?)
Thanks for explanation. I was in Holland a week ago and I was close to believe that theory.
(explanation - I'm not serious)
:)

[zapatero]

Perhaps a better question would be when did Christianity spread to the area known as Europe today?
That's irrelevant. Everyone knows we have our continent as a cultural unity thanks to that small French dude with a big ego of his and Enlightment. But seriously Gleipnir, speaking of "indigenous" people in the context of Europe from a standpoint of a Yank sipping his Bud Light somewhere at Stanford campus or a similar dubious and obscure place seems a little bit... "neandhertal". Isn't it?

[tercio67]

Thanks for explanation. I was in Holland a week ago and I was close to believe that theory.
(explanation - I'm not serious)
:)

North- or South Holland? or one of the other 10 provinces? p-)

[Eye]

North- or South Holland? or one of the other 10 provinces? p-)
Actually I'm not sure, but my presence in Workum was the most productive.

[tercio67]

Actually I'm not sure, but my presence in Workum was the most productive.


So you were in Friesland then.

[Gleipnir]

That's irrelevant. Everyone knows we have our continent as a cultural unity thanks to that small French dude with a big ego of his and Enlightment. But seriously Gleipnir, speaking of "indigenous" people in the context of Europe from a standpoint of a Yank sipping his Bud Light somewhere at Stanford campus or a similar dubious and obscure place seems a little bit... "neandhertal". Isn't it?

Who are you calling a Yank?

[joka]

If someone could name his organization ''White women of Europe '' or something would certainly be under scrutiny for possible racial issues.


But one organisation is called Black European Women's Council


Yvette Jarvis-Black European Women's Council Launch-part 2

Suppose that would depend on what those white women would pursue.

So black women in Europe want to participate in society fully and form an organization because they feel that this isn't possible for whatever reason today, and this is to be viewed as a bad thing? What you should be upset about is that black women in Europe feel that there is a need for an organization like this to begin with. We should hope they isolate themselves and shut their mouth instead? You know, you Greeks could really be more receptive to criticism. Just saying. :hug:

Unlike muslim organizations I don't see this BEWC asking for special treatment or ridiculous exceptions but jobs and fair treatment and highlighting cases where this isn't the case.
(^Because if they did they would have nothing to base it on other than skin color, it wouldn't fly.)

[pocoloco]

Hell, the Sami people came from somewhere else. Doesn't that make them non-indigenous?

We Finno-Ugrians were here (Europe, that is) before you Indo-Euros so we are true Europeans, the aboriginals here. Oh, well, guess we have to include the Basque people somewhere (in their mountains) p-)

[zapatero]

Who are you calling a Yank?
Those hordes of neandtherthals in our overseas colonies. :D

[Gleipnir]

I guess that I have to go along with an idea that there were no established cultures in Europe (the western most peninsula of Eurasia if Europe is too problematic for you) between the time of the neanderthals and Napoleon?
That's an even cooler story than mine, bro.

[zapatero]

No, there were no established European culture between neandhertals and the invention of fries with mayo. Wait... what?! Uhh... Wanna go to my place?

[Gleipnir]

That depends... only if you replace the mayo with fritesaus

[zapatero]

M,kay.. But you'll bring the rubber fist.

[tercio67]

Hmmm, patatje oorlog...good idea, I'm off.

[matthew.manhorn]

What a misleading title, I was expecting to see some kinky pics

[clean]

If someone could name his organization ''White women of Europe '' or something would certainly be under scrutiny for possible racial issues.


But one organisation is called Black European Women's Council


It seems someone made a council, and gave it a name. It doesn't have to do with racism, it is a name that tells you what the council's aims are and who they are supporting, and what they are about. White Women of Europe most likely is a 14 page spread in Maxim.

There's no need to make smoke where there is no fire.

[tluassa]

Why not simply "European Woman" ? Is the color important ?

And isnt the correct term "caucasian" in english ? :)

[clean]

Why not simply "European Woman" ? Is the color important ?


It is important. The world should become gray. But it's not yet. They are a a council working on issue dealing with black/afro centric. I don't know anything about them, they could be a bunch of f*cknuts. Who knows, and who cares. They have formed a group, they have their mission statement, let them go to it. That's the way freedom rolls.

[HollywoodMarine]

What a misleading title, I was expecting to see some kinky pics

+1
What a waste of my time you freggin tease!http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d142/hoozieg/Smilies/Mad/smiley-face-thatsit.gif

[G3SG1]

It is important. The world should become gray. But it's not yet. They are a a council working on issue dealing with black/afro centric. I don't know anything about them, they could be a bunch of f*cknuts. Who knows, and who cares. They have formed a group, they have their mission statement, let them go to it. That's the way freedom rolls.


The question remains ( why the black women only?)


Mission

Empowerment of Black Women through training programmes which lead to self-reliance and self-confidence building.
Development of (social) competences through linkages with formal and informal networks and encouraging exchange of information.
Development of training programs to equip women with tools which would help them to deal with racism, sexism and social exclusion.
Organising discussions, seminars/workshops and conferences that offer support to Black Women on personal and professional issues.
Advocacy and consultation services on issues related to the black community, immigration, public institutions etc.

[RSone]

One of those cultures survives today and are called Frisians, they produced Doutzen Kroes......just sayin.
p-)

I think the other tribes we descend(that would eventually become the various frankish tribes/saxons) from would qualify as well. They didn't have Doutzen though
The entirety of the northern provinces is just a big bucket of different ancestries to begin with. I think most people in North Holland at some point descend from someone that could be called a frisian, even though they lack the name.

[clean]

The question remains ( why the black women only?)

Because that's what the are ABOUT!!!!! That's their thing. Where's the f*cking problem? They are a group about black women. That's it! You want to start a group about women? Go nuts. But don't bust on pro-active people. Let them do their thing.

[HollywoodMarine]

Plus you wont hear this:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/sophinamarlboro/Funny/ffcf4945.jpg :roll:

[Gleipnir]

Hmmm, patatje oorlog...good idea, I'm off.

with uitjes, I hope

[Flamming_Python]

...whereas white European women are not supposed to take aforesaid designation "black European women" as extremely offensive and considerably racist toward white people?

One of the greatest myths of the modern days is that a minority couldn't be racist towards a majority.

Blacks are still a minority. Why would the majority need a council to protect their rights?

Black minority organisations are no different to organsations of Jews, Gypsies, Turks, hell any minority in Europe. All are allowed so why not blacks too?

Of course a minority can be racist towards the majority but it is rather inconsenquential. What are they going to do? A majority being racist towards a minority though is rather more serious and harmful.

[deagle]

by calling ppl white, black, its clearly prejudiced, as there's even no mention of yellow and purple and etcetera. ppl should get it into their heads that ppl have no color.

[Gleipnir]

Yeah, it's all fine.
The more specialized rights and privileges you give to select groups, the less solidarity and the more separation and difference you will have in a populace. This can become a valuable political tool.

As for majorities in Europe needing a council to protect their rights, you should look at the example of Vlaams Blok in Belgium-

Known radicalized Islamic terrorists and Eastern European criminals are fine and dandy, and have been given special rights to protect them from being extradited to countries that want to persecute them for crimes they have committed but naughty Flemish separatists are absolutely not allowed to succeed, even though they became the largest single party by majority vote. Instead they are marginalized as dangerous racists and are subsequently banned.

It is madness.

[Spezz]

Yeah, it's all fine.
The more specialized rights and privileges you give to select groups, the less solidarity and the more separation and difference you will have in a populace. This can become a valuable political tool.

As for majorities in Europe needing a council to protect their rights, you should look at the example of Vlaams Blok in Belgium-

Known radicalized Islamic terrorists and Eastern European criminals are fine and dandy, and have been given special rights to protect them from being extradited to countries that want to persecute them for crimes they have committed but naughty Flemish separatists are absolutely not allowed to succeed, even though they became the largest single party by majority vote. Instead they are marginalized as dangerous racists and are subsequently banned.

It is madness.

The majority of VB voters are racist, make no mistake, not everyone is a neo-nazi racist tho, although plenty are, but most are your typical "working class racists". I saw a lineup for the town council election from VB in the local paper once, now that's some Neanderthals, a lot of "angry alcoholic caveman" looking types.

Although I agree about the too soft an approach towards the groups you mentioned.

[California Joe]

Congressional Black Caucus.

[JUNKHO]

with uitjes, I hope


OT - Is this like popcorn WITH butter or in Member Tercio's case - maybe tea and crumpets?

[RSone]

uitjes= little onions. Language bit: -tje and -je are diminutives. Patatje oorlog(little war fries or war fries) are basically fries with any combination of mayo, ketchup, saté(peanut sauce) curry sauce and onions. So in this case, it'd be fries with everything.

[JUNKHO]

^^ Cooooooool!

[khukuri]

this thread is gay

[Stefan850]

Because that's what the are ABOUT!!!!! That's their thing. Where's the f*cking problem? They are a group about black women. That's it! You want to start a group about women? Go nuts. But don't bust on pro-active people. Let them do their thing.

White only groups, white only funds, white only colleges, universities.......as CJ said, Congressional White Caucus...all of that is racist...so all of it when changed white to black is still racist.

[UltimateHero]

And isnt the correct term "caucasian" in english ? :)
If I'm having a conversation with someone and they insist on being "African American" I insist on being called "European American"...just to make a point. Not sure anyone gets how ridiculous being called either is. I'd rather just be white.

[Bathinus]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this unless you're a tightass. They're a minority in the continent, they have an organzation dedicated to them. Big deal. Almost every ethnic minority everywhere has that.

I guess the word making it controversial is "Black", cuz it's automatic couterpart is 'white", but if it was "Somalian and Nigerian women of Europe", nobody would care.

But that's what happens when you lump all epople of asimmilar color into one group named "Black". A color becomes an ethnicity almost.

If there is a "White Women of Africa" organizaton that's completly fine.

[UltimateHero]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this unless you're a tightass. They're a minority in the continent, they have an organzation dedicated to them. Big deal. Almost every ethnic minority everywhere has that.

I guess the word making it controversial is "Black", cuz it's automatic couterpart is 'white", but if it was "Somalian and Nigerian women of Europe", nobody would care.

But that's what happens when you lump all epople of asimmilar color into one group named "Black". A color becomes an ethnicity almost.

If there is a "White Women of Africa" organizaton that's completly fine.

White people aren't the supermajority in America yet non-white race-specific organizations continue to grow here. There is a double standard that is fed and supported by white guilt in my country and, as a non-racist, I'm offended by that.
Yes Somalian Women of Europe would be fine because people of any ethnicity from Somalia could be a part of it. White people exist in Africa too yet they can't call themselves African in the USA.
EDIT:
Can't speak for Europe because I don't currently live there...but from what I've seen I'm guessing white people there feel much more awkward about discussing race than many here in the states.

[clean]

White only groups, white only funds, white only colleges, universities.......as CJ said, Congressional White Caucus...all of that is racist...so all of it when changed white to black is still racist.

If your mom didn't drink and smoke when she was pregnant with you, you'd realize that outside the trailer park, life is a bit more complicated.

[Gleipnir]

The majority of VB voters are racist, make no mistake, not everyone is a neo-nazi racist tho, although plenty are, but most are your typical "working class racists". I saw a lineup for the town council election from VB in the local paper once, now that's some Neanderthals, a lot of "angry alcoholic caveman" looking types.

Although I agree about the too soft an approach towards the groups you mentioned.

I have no doubts that a proportion of the VB voters are racists, but it still stands that if they are part of a majority that votes a political party into power should that be a basis for banning that party? (a redundant question, anyway, because racism isn't the real reason VB was banned)
I think it is also rather disingenuous to imply that anyone who desires separatism for Flanders is a racist. There are also real and valid reasons for wanting this that have absolutely nothing to do with race or even with immigration for that matter.

The persecution of Vlaams Blok only started when they received a significant number of voters, which in turn led to a series of actions being taken in order to prevent them from gaining more voters at all costs. When these methods continued to fail, it was decided that known radicalized terrorists and Eastern European criminals should be given citizenship under the quick citizenship bill solely so that there would be an increase in voters against Vlaams Blok. When this failed it was decided to ban the party.

I can't think of any other explanation as to why else a country would give terrorists and wanted criminals citizenship and protection from persecution from their countries of origin.

Of course, racism is not the real underlying reason for all of this- Flemish separatism is unacceptable at all costs to those who have power and benefit from the current system in Belgium. This has always been the case throughout Belgium's entire history.
Surely, demonizing and banning the largest single party (this is also the first time in Western European history that a country's largest party was banned) against giving the men who masterminded and carried out the assassination of Massood not only citizenship but protection against being extradited and thus persecuted shows you that even voting overwhelmingly for a political party is not enough anymore to exercise your voice as a citizen.

That being said- are racists not allowed to vote? Are racists not allowed the same freedom of speech that other members of society who are equally antisocial not only exercise but demand?

[Afro-European]

...whereas white European women are not supposed to take aforesaid designation "black European women" as extremely offensive and considerably racist toward white people?

One of the greatest myths of the modern days is that a minority couldn't be racist towards a majority .

Minority can't be racist since they don't hold power,that's what my African-American cousins told me:)
Seriously though there is nothing wrong with this organization that's geared towards black women as long as they aren't demanding a special threatment or imposing anything,unlike islamists sorry i mean muslims here.

[GottLuft]

I am afraid that one day the white race in Europe and in whole world will disappear...but you must be quiet because if you say something just because you're patriot...you're raci and nazi and SS member and you will go in prison...achhh...I'm not DAMN NAZI....I'm just European white patriot,I'm not skinhead and I don't have nothing with them,bu just look at European natality,only European nation that have big natality are Albanians I think,all other have maximum 2 kids and when someone have 2 kids ,that's "big baby boom"...I'm afraid that we will be done for 100 years...well...but none is guilty to us...that's "white plague" sindrom.

[G3SG1]

Because that's what the are ABOUT!!!!! That's their thing. Where's the f*cking problem? They are a group about black women. That's it! You want to start a group about women? Go nuts. But don't bust on pro-active people. Let them do their thing.


No one says they should not do it. All i am saying is that by giving the above benefits/guidance only to Black women it's discrimination of race.

[G3SG1]

I am afraid that one day the white race in Europe and in whole world will disappear...but you must be quiet because if you say something just because you're patriot...you're raci and nazi and SS member and you will go in prison...achhh...I'm not DAMN NAZI....I'm just European white patriot,I'm not skinhead and I don't have nothing with them,bu just look at European natality,only European nation that have big natality are Albanians I think,all other have maximum 2 kids and when someone have 2 kids ,that's "big baby boom"...I'm afraid that we will be done for 100 years...well...but none is guilty to us...that's "white plague" sindrom.



This shaved head SS stereotype and swastika tattoos that anti racist groups target is a joke.

[Stefan850]

If your mom didn't drink and smoke when she was pregnant with you, you'd realize that outside the trailer park, life is a bit more complicated.

Wow, nice.

One more member of a discussion forum, who's for some reason, intellectual or medical, unable to discuss.

I'll know better next time. More post's to skip and replies to ignore.

[Bifrost]

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[RICHICOQUI]

Was this group started by leftist white women? 110202

[clean]

Wow, nice.

One more member of a discussion forum, who's for some reason, intellectual or medical, unable to discuss.

I'll know better next time. More post's to skip and replies to ignore.

Ah, come on, let's be friends. Hell, you probably don't even know what a trailer park is!

[TheEvian100]

If someone would name his organization ''White women of Europe '' or something would certainly be under scrutiny for possible racial issues.


But one organisation is called Black European Women's Council


Yvette Jarvis-Black European Women's Council Launch-part 2


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8328454769167339904#

http://www.blackwomencenter.org/en/afra/about-afra

Deport that b!tch back to USA. I don't care what race she belongs to, I know that what she says is pure propaganda against our nation.

[Macs.]

. They have formed a group, they have their mission statement, let them go to it. That's the way freedom rolls.

Freedom is overrated.

[G3SG1]

Deport that b!tch back to USA. I don't care what race she belongs to, I know that what she says is pure propaganda against our nation.

It's rather interesting you know. This woman comes in the 80s as a big time baskeball payer. She gets treated like royalty and when her athletics carrer is over she becomes a very well paid model in magazines and state tv. Years after she gets elected and voted by Greeks in the office as a member of the Athens city council.

We are so racists.:)