excellent of palin in the washington post

[maw]

this sentence resonates:
"Alas, for both the right and the left, Palin is not a leader. She neither founded nor leads a movement and, as far as anyone can tell, has no ideas of her own. She's a validator, satisfying her audience's narcissistic urge to be told they are correct in their thinking."

he even mentions the similarities between palin and poujade.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/15/AR2010021502856.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

[Rakki]

How 'bout Obama?

[Chulo]

this sentence resonates:
"Alas, for both the right and the left, Obama is not a leader. He neither founded nor leads a movement and, as far as anyone can tell, has no ideas of his own. He is a validator, satisfying his own narcissistic urge to be told he is correct in his thinking."

Fixed .

[Chulo]

this sentence resonates:
"Alas, for both the right and the left, Palin is not a leader. She neither founded nor leads a movement and, as far as anyone can tell, has no ideas of her own. She's a validator, satisfying her audience's narcissistic urge to be told they are correct in their thinking."

he even mentions the similarities between palin and poujade.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/15/AR2010021502856.html?nav=rss_opinion/columnsIsnt a representative supposed to validate what the people are thinking and voice their concerns?

Or maybe you subscribe to the belief that the people of America are too stupid and need one great leader to choose the right thing for them.

[California Joe]

I know you are, but what am I?


Infinity.

[RECON DOC]

I know you are, but what am I?


Infinity.

CJ wins...........

[California Joe]

I learned that from a lawyer.

"Yeah so what if she's stupid, that guy you voted for is a doody head..."

[maw]

Isnt a representative supposed to validate what the people are thinking and voice their concerns?

Or maybe you subscribe to the belief that the people of America are too stupid and need one great leader to choose the right thing for them.

ah yes populism. that's what the electoral college is supposed to protect us from.
enough has been said about her already, what i liked about the article is that it attempts to define her contextually from a broader historical perspective. if she appeals to someone, more power to them. we have a democratic process after all. what i came away from is thinking after i read the article is how palin will be remembered in pol-sci classes. i don't think history will be kind to her.

[AIRASSAULT7]

[QUOTE=maw;4765783]this sentence resonates:
"Alas, for both the right and the left, Palin is not a leader. She neither founded nor leads a movement and, as far as anyone can tell, has no ideas of her own. She's a validator, satisfying her audience's narcissistic urge to be told they are correct in their thinking."



another neo conservative but hey id vote her over obama.............

[plato]

Isnt a representative supposed to validate what the people are thinking and voice their concerns?

Or maybe you subscribe to the belief that the people of America are too stupid and need one great leader to choose the right thing for them.

So, are you saying Obama is a representative, and therefore he is a validator?

Btw, what "representative" is Palin of? Yeah, that is right, she is NOT a "representative" of any kind. She gave up being a "representative", because it was too hard

[Chulo]

So, are you saying Obama is a representative, and therefore he is a validator?

Btw, what "representative" is Palin of? Yeah, that is right, she is NOT a "representative" of any kind. She gave up being a "representative", because it was too hard
Obama validates himself.
But the position of President and Congress is one that does the will of people. Take health care , if the majority of the people do not want it implment, then what right do the President and Congress have to push it through? Because they only right they have was given by the people, so when you go against the will of the people, you loose that right.

As for for Palin not being a representative of the people, she is not the Governor of Alaska but she sure is the spokes person for alot of the nation

[plato]

Obama validates himself.
But the position of President and Congress is one that does the will of people. Take health care , if the majority of the people do not want it implment, then what right do the President and Congress have to push it through? Because they only right they have was given by the people, so when you go against the will of the people, you loose that right.

As for for Palin not being a representative of the people, she is not the Governor of Alaska but she sure is the spokes person for alot of the nation

WHAT? a governor or president is NOT a "representative"? Last time I checked, they were voted in by the people.

Maybe, just maybe, sometimes the majority is WRONG! And that is why our system tries to bring balance. Also, maybe, just maybe, the big word is "if". Remember to use "if" when saying how the majority of the country don't want health care reform implmented. I commend you for using that word.

[Clockwinder]

All politicians are narcissistic slaves of hubris and lobby interests. They are actors playing to an audience, selling snake oil and magic elixirs. There is not a politician alive that is to be trusted either for their words, actions, relationships, ethics, standards or intentions. They have neither sympathy nor empathy for the "common man", nor do they have a true belief in their country. If they did, they would resign in self disgrace, and allow untainted (if such exists anywhere) people to run the country for the betterment and benefit of the country and its people. Palin, Obama, McCain, Kerry et al - players in a tragic comedy, bought and paid for by self interest and parochial agenda.

[Chulo]

WHAT? a governor or president is NOT a "representative"? Last time I checked, they were voted in by the people.

Maybe, just maybe, sometimes the majority is WRONG! And that is why our system tries to bring balance. Also, maybe, just maybe, the big word is "if". Remember to use "if" when saying how the majority of the country don't want health care reform implmented. I commend you for using that word.
Maybe you misunderstand what I said. I did not say a governor or president is not a representative. Just that 1) Palin is not a Governor right now, and 2) Obama as the president has not been doing much representation.

Sure the majority can be wrong, but whos right is to not do what the majority want? That is the nature of the political system in USA. You maybe more comfortable with having one or a few make the decision for all based on what they think is right, but that is NOT what USA is about. If the majority is wrong, then they get it wrong.

[plato]

Maybe you misunderstand what I said. I did not say a governor or president is not a representative. Just that 1) Palin is not a Governor right now, and 2) Obama as the president has not been doing much representation.

Sure the majority can be wrong, but whos right is to not do what the majority want? That is the nature of the political system in USA. You maybe more comfortable with having one or a few make the decision for all based on what they think is right, but that is NOT what USA is about. If the majority is wrong, then they get it wrong.

If Obama is not doing much representation, then I would like to ask you who else is doing MORE representation than Obama in this country? Can you name ONE person?

I am sorry to say that majorities' wants are not always met.

[Ought Six]

ca:
"Obama validates himself."Yep. He never has to take his parking stub to the attendant to be validated. He is just that good. :)

[Andreas]

American politics defy the laws of normal human behavior.
How can she be relevant in any way other than a funny reference to a Lisa Ann **** flick?

I recently watched the clip again where she talks about foreign policy and job creation, and it boggles the mind how little she has to do in anything resembling politics.

[plato]

American politics defy the laws of normal human behavior.
How can she be relevant in any way other than a funny reference to a Lisa Ann **** flick?

I recently watched the clip again where she talks about foreign policy and job creation, and it boggles the mind how little she has to do in anything resembling politics.

that is why she is in show business, now. and she is very good at it.

[La8pv]

American politics defy the laws of normal human behavior.
How can she be relevant in any way other than a funny reference to a Lisa Ann **** flick?

I recently watched the clip again where she talks about foreign policy and job creation, and it boggles the mind how little she has to do in anything resembling politics.


Yeah, but wasn't it clear during the elections that a lot of Americans wanted a leader who was down to earth, a person just as dumb as them. In other words, as long as she doesn't know ****, she is the perfect leader.

[MaNiC]

Sure the majority can be wrong, but whos right is to not do what the majority want? That is the nature of the political system in USA. You maybe more comfortable with having one or a few make the decision for all based on what they think is right, but that is NOT what USA is about. If the majority is wrong, then they get it wrong.

I know right! Like, it's so American to fall into line with mob mentality or jump on every bandwagon that you see!

*groans under breathe* :cantbeli:

[CMNot]

Palin is the gift that keeps on giving. I hope to see more of her next year and after.


American politics defy the laws of normal human behavior.
How can she be relevant in any way other than a funny reference to a Lisa Ann **** flick?

I recently watched the clip again where she talks about foreign policy and job creation, and it boggles the mind how little she has to do in anything resembling politics.

And what would a Norwegian know about freedom? Haters be hating.

[Chulo]

I know right! Like, it's so American to fall into line with mob mentality or jump on every bandwagon that you see!

*groans under breathe* :cantbeli:

I like how you reduce the whole democratic process into one large uncontrollable mob. Maybe you prefer a centralized government controlled by one or a few people that tell you what to do and what not to do and the people have no voice on the direction of their own nation

[SoftLion]

this sentence resonates:
"Alas, for both the right and the left, Palin is not a leader. She neither founded nor leads a movement and, as far as anyone can tell, has no ideas of her own. She's a validator, satisfying her audience's narcissistic urge to be told they are correct in their thinking."


Reminds of a gentlemen on the other side of the aisle about 6 years ago, by the name of Kerry. But who cares, I heard that Sara Palin chick can't read, except off her hand. Did you know her kid is a retard?

[seraosha]

excellent of palin in the washington post

Thanks, Yoda.

Cheney/Palin 2012...I'm telling you guys, it'll be like the Borg in Star Trek.

[Mackie]

that is why she is in show business, now. and she is very good at it.

The difference?

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110198

Big show, short programs.

[clean]

Thanks, Yoda.

Cheney/Palin 2012...I'm telling you guys, it'll be like the Borg in Star Trek.


hahahhahaha. Sweet hell in a handbasket.


Cheney, in a side note about how everything is insane, supports gay marriage.

[maw]

Thanks, Yoda.

Cheney/Palin 2012...I'm telling you guys, it'll be like the Borg in Star Trek.

i just accidentally the thread title.

[MaNiC]

I like how you reduce the whole democratic process into one large uncontrollable mob. Maybe you prefer a centralized government controlled by one or a few people that tell you what to do and what not to do and the people have no voice on the direction of their own nation

I like how you still don't get it.

Re-read the part that I quoted and tell me again if that's what you really believe that the "USA is all about". I don't prefer the government telling me what to do (within reason) anymore than the next person. But I also don't like bumbling idiots proclaiming to know what the US "is all about" or even worse, running the country. Call me an elitist, but I think well qualified people should always be in charge, not Joe Schmoe the six pack drinking retard with an opinion. Or a hockey mom that ran her State into the ground, quit, and then has the audacity to criticize other people for what is "wrong with America".

[commanding]

All politicians are narcissistic slaves of hubris and lobby interests. They are actors playing to an audience, selling snake oil and magic elixirs. There is not a politician alive that is to be trusted either for their words, actions, relationships, ethics, standards or intentions. They have neither sympathy nor empathy for the "common man", nor do they have a true belief in their country. If they did, they would resign in self disgrace, and allow untainted (if such exists anywhere) people to run the country for the betterment and benefit of the country and its people. Palin, Obama, McCain, Kerry et al - players in a tragic comedy, bought and paid for by self interest and parochial agenda.
Well said! At some point in time, maybe before the 1840s, they changed from being "leaders" who were "volunteers" who served to better the country...to "politicians".

[seraosha]

hahahhahaha. Sweet hell in a handbasket.
Cheney, in a side note about how everything is insane, supports gay marriage.

Why is it insane that Cheney supports gay marriage? His daughter is gay, has been "out" for years.

[Chulo]

I like how you still don't get it.

Re-read the part that I quoted and tell me again if that's what you really believe that the "USA is all about". I don't prefer the government telling me what to do (within reason) anymore than the next person. But I also don't like bumbling idiots proclaiming to know what the US "is all about" or even worse, running the country. Call me an elitist, but I think well qualified people should always be in charge, not Joe Schmoe the six pack drinking retard with an opinion. Or a hockey mom that ran her State into the ground, quit, and then has the audacity to criticize other people for what is "wrong with America".

You are right, maybe we should have a party or committee, from which the smartest and brightest get chosen to join, and then as you work your way up, you prove your loyalty to the party and country and then eventually join an inner committee that chooses what is best for the country. Who needs the unwashed mob to give input on the workings of their nation, it is just too important to trust them with such power.

[Russian_dude]

One chooses a surgeon by how smart he is... not by how cool he will be to drink beer with. Why is running a country any different. I think a lot of the anti-intellectualism in the Republican party comes from the fact that they allied with the Religious Right. The smarter the person, the less likely he is to be religious. (compare atheist Cheney and religious Bush.) So intellect is perceived as a threat.

[Yeti2424]

One chooses a surgeon by how smart he is... not by how cool he will be to drink beer with. Why is running a country any different. I think a lot of the anti-intellectualism in the Republican party comes from the fact that they allied with the Religious Right. The smarter the person, the less likely he is to be religious. (compare atheist Cheney and religious Bush.) So intellect is perceived as a threat.

I don’t know about you but I chose a surgeon based on how skilled they are not on their intelligence level. Your mistake of correlating the two has the potential to be devastating.

[maw]

I don’t know about you but I chose a surgeon based on how skilled they are not on their intelligence level. Your mistake of correlating the two has the potential to be devastating.

how can the average layperson judge a surgeons skill level? all things being equal, intelligence is a reasonable indicator.

[seraosha]

how can the average layperson judge a surgeons skill level? all things being equal, intelligence is a reasonable indicator.

Other physicians referral, their experience and success rate, the support staff ratings, hospital, team...not to mention up to date proceedures and staying abreast of recent innovations.
All are vastly more important than a guessed at IQ score.
I'll take a hard working teamplayer that pays attention to detail over a wonderkind any day.
But I have family in the medical field, so YMMV.

[maw]

Other physicians referral, their experience and success rate, the support staff ratings, hospital, team...not to mention up to date proceedures and staying abreast of recent innovations.
All are vastly more important than a guessed at IQ score.
I'll take a hard working teamplayer that pays attention to detail over a wonderkind any day.
But I have family in the medical field, so YMMV.

i'm with you, one of my primary activities these days is to write medical/surgical software. so i agree that peer evaluations are invaluable when searching for a health provider. all i'm saying is that in a field without some inside knowledge, gauging intelligence is a reasonable indicator. in the context of this thread, i don't know any washington insiders and a peer based recommendation is pretty much useless in partisan politics. as such i tend to give an articulate and reasonable speaker the time of day, this is why i was instinctively turned off by w and more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to o. kind of embarrassing to admit now.

[seraosha]

In the context of the article I try and read what the prospective candidate has written...but I agree with you on first impressions on speeches and they way the person presents themselves.

Which President Bush bombed so badly his speeches were cringe worthy and hard to watch, and I voted for him. Twice
But our current President is a smooth operator in front of the cameras.




As long as that teleprompter is working. ;)

[clean]

Why is it insane that Cheney supports gay marriage? His daughter is gay, has been "out" for years.

It just doesn't fit into my black and white world. I like things to be black and white.