12-year-old girl handcuffed and arrested for doodling on her desk.

[i_heart_menthols]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1

(CNN) -- There was no profanity, no hate. Just the words, "I love my friends Abby and Faith. Lex was here 2/1/10 :)" scrawled on the classroom desk with a green marker.


Alexa Gonzalez, an outgoing 12-year-old who likes to dance and draw, expected a lecture or maybe detention for her doodles earlier this month. Instead, the principal of the Junior High School in Forest Hills, New York, called police, and the seventh-grader was taken across the street to the police precinct.


Alexa's hands were cuffed behind her back, and tears gushed as she was escorted from school in front of teachers and -- the worst audience of all for a preadolescent girl -- her classmates.


"They put the handcuffs on me, and I couldn't believe it," Alexa recalled. "I didn't want them to see me being handcuffed, thinking I'm a bad person."


Alexa is no longer facing suspension, according a spokeswoman for the New York City Department of Education. Still, the case of the doodling preteen is raising concerns about the use of zero tolerance policies in schools.

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Another dangerous scumbag tagged and bagged by our heroes in blue! woot

[Jobu]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1

(CNN) -- There was no profanity, no hate. Just the words, "I love my friends Abby and Faith. Lex was here 2/1/10 :)" scrawled on the classroom desk with a green marker.


Alexa Gonzalez, an outgoing 12-year-old who likes to dance and draw, expected a lecture or maybe detention for her doodles earlier this month. Instead, the principal of the Junior High School in Forest Hills, New York, called police, and the seventh-grader was taken across the street to the police precinct.


Alexa's hands were cuffed behind her back, and tears gushed as she was escorted from school in front of teachers and -- the worst audience of all for a preadolescent girl -- her classmates.


"They put the handcuffs on me, and I couldn't believe it," Alexa recalled. "I didn't want them to see me being handcuffed, thinking I'm a bad person."


Alexa is no longer facing suspension, according a spokeswoman for the New York City Department of Education. Still, the case of the doodling preteen is raising concerns about the use of zero tolerance policies in schools.

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Another dangerous scumbag tagged and bagged by our heroes in blue! woot


I'm usually very pro-LEO but this is unacceptable.

Disgraceful. I hope this girl and her parents have a case and sue the school and/or police department for millions.
Teach these morons a lesson about their abuse of authority.

[cbreedon]

maybe she shouldn't have been drawing on other people's property....

I get mad at these numbnuts administrators at schools who suspend kids for having tiny toy pistols, etc, and the police shouldn't have been involved in this incident but I do think she should have been made to clean it while everyone watched...

[The Dane]

What the **** ... ?

[Keenan]

what the heck!?
They should fire anyone in the precinct that had a hand in this, common sense shouldn't have to be taught to police officers...

[Sashko]

If cops had the time to do such a redicolous chore, then half of the station involved should get fired - obviously they are overstaffed if they find time in their very busy schedules to arrest a 12 year old who drew on a stupid desk (like most 12 year old do).

[2495]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1

(CNN) -- There was no profanity, no hate. Just the words, "I love my friends Abby and Faith. Lex was here 2/1/10 :)" scrawled on the classroom desk with a green marker.


Alexa Gonzalez, an outgoing 12-year-old who likes to dance and draw, expected a lecture or maybe detention for her doodles earlier this month. Instead, the principal of the Junior High School in Forest Hills, New York, called police, and the seventh-grader was taken across the street to the police precinct.


Alexa's hands were cuffed behind her back, and tears gushed as she was escorted from school in front of teachers and -- the worst audience of all for a preadolescent girl -- her classmates.


"They put the handcuffs on me, and I couldn't believe it," Alexa recalled. "I didn't want them to see me being handcuffed, thinking I'm a bad person."


Alexa is no longer facing suspension, according a spokeswoman for the New York City Department of Education. Still, the case of the doodling preteen is raising concerns about the use of zero tolerance policies in schools.

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Another dangerous scumbag tagged and bagged by our heroes in blue! woot

What an absolute bunch of cnuts - all the adults involved need a fvcking shoeing to teach them some damn sense. Areest and handcuff a 12 year old over a desk doodle? ................. pfffttt. Absolute Zero Respect For the LEOs or School.

[wildcat]

the blue should of told the school principle to shove it, it is a waste of police time, and money.

[i_heart_menthols]

When I first read this story, I immediately remembered this vid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9SLLK3viJI

[hughdotoh]

School needs to get its collective head checked. In this day and age, getting publicly hauled by cops sometimes makes youngins think that they're badass, and then not respect the law when they're older.

But I agree that arresting a kid for doodling is waaay overboard. Too much time in the cops' hands, means they'd rather ignore real crimes. Like Manila cops.

[bersaglieri]

Critics say schools and police have gone too far, overreacting and using well-intended rules for incidents involving nonviolent offenses such as drawing on desks, writing on other school property or talking back to teachers.If I were a cop there and a teacher called me to arrest a kid for talking back , it would be the teacher who'd get cuffed and charged with wasting police time. All these type of actions do is create a generation of kids who will grow up to be the adults who walk past the cop in trouble, or don't come forward as witnesses to crimes because of their learned deep mistrust of the police.

[Macs.]

JUSTICE. Hard, but fair.

[Clockwinder]

MADNESS! PC has driven us CRAZY!!! For God's sake - will someone THINK!!!!

[CG51]

Should have tazed her first. Marker can be dangerous.

Sounds like the school administration just wanted someone else to handle the child and didn't feel like doing their job. What happened to the days when the teacher would make you stay after school and clean the desk til it shines?

[deagle]

handcuffed and arrested ?

zero tolerance ?

yet, our jails are full of F*ckers who'll get another chance.

if a kid fails, does the principal or teacher get fired for zero tolerance on a kid failing ???

[Hilbert]

Handcuffed and arrested for drawing on a desk...? WTF?
For chrissake make the girl clean the desk and give her a detention, sweet mother of God, but arrest her?
Someone please tell me there's more to this story than we're being told.

[heli-cal]

How proud the police public servant must feel, to handcuff and detain a child in front of her peers, what a surefire way to gain respect for police officers.

Still, it probably massaged their ego to act tough in front of children!

[Lugiahua]

for follow behaviors you will be arrested from a school:
- bring a pink toy pistol to class, check
-have a prop sword in the trunk, check
-show a metal fork to your friend, check
-have drawing on your desk, check
-use a swissknive to sharp the pencil, check

====
I don't believe that teacher who called the cop never drew on his/her table before...

[NUCKINFUTS]

If her parents do sue the DOE, I hope there will be major cuts, no more pointless classes if its not enough that I spend 11 hours in school as is woot

[sgt_G]

two words:

lego rifle strikes again...








ok so that was four sue me!

[WingCommander]

It seems common sense has been chucked out of the window.

[ggk]

the girl gonnnnnnnnna be riiiiichh

[sgt_G]

It seems common sense has been chucked out of the window.

common sense was Banned a long time ago it seems

[Lugiahua]

common sense was Banned a long time ago it seems

it was banned by Zero Tolernace Act as well.

[Shurik SST]

This is the only option available to schools. Nothing else.

You got to understand even the smallest force or raising of the voice is forbidden. What is a school to do? Just let the kids do what they want? We have so PCd the teachers and they can't to anything but call the po po. And po po can't do anything but arrest.


Stern talking to does not work on kids not the parents. Parents are a**holes and kids are even bigger a**holes and nobody can touch or discipline kids anymore. If the school does anything about it, some butthurt parent is going to sue. So the kids get to be a**holes all they want because nobody is allowed to stand up to them and the kids are little angels to their a**hole parents. And this is all the school can do in the end because their hands are tied and parents will not lift a finger.

[Steak-Sauce]

LOL! Only in America? ;)

[Holycrusader]

Should have tazed her first. Marker can be dangerous.



What he said... I want to say same thing, but beNder was first... Damn you beNder;)

[Gleipnir]

more un-necessary over-reaction in the land of the free

[TakeIt]

Dyring my dark, totalitarian childhood i could freely draw on the desks. I recall one picture took me almost two weeks to complete..

[Fallap]

Well deserved, I hope she get to rot in jail for the next 40 years!

[Connaught Ranger]

Well that will teach her NOT to vandalise property that does'nt belong to her and being in handcuffs

and escorted from the school gave her a whole lot of street cred.

[hank2222]

It seems common sense has been chucked out of the window.


i would say yes to that ..now days common sense have gone out the window and not even allowed into a person thinking ..that way i am so glad at times that my kids are out of school now days and i do not have any of my kids in this so called school system ..that i way law enforcement officers are no longer beening taught common sense about things ..to me if you called to do that a school for dooding on her desk i would look at them like get a grip and think about the time you just wasted by me beening here and dealing with something that could been taken care at the teacher level by makeing her do something extras in the class room ..by the way i just showed the post to some guys here at the coffee shop and they are wondering what the heck is the world comeing to

[XShipRider]

Only in Amerika.

[rgjbloke]

Stupidity all round. If I was up the road getting mugged or my house was around the corner being burgled when this 12 year old was being arrested for doodling on a school desk, I'd be furious.

[tea drinker]

Terrorists are EVERYWHERE

[Ozzy[NO]]

Common sense is the least common of all senses

Must have been quite embracing for both the girl and the arresting officers. Can't imagine it's something to brag about in the breakroom :)

[Laconian]

On the surface this appears as some great over reaction by the school and the police. However, I propose a differnt take. Maybe this was done to emphasize that defacing school property is an offense that the school will take seriously. Maybe this was a tactic to scare straight the kid that did it and the kids in the class that saw it. Maybe kids today are different but if the kid next to me got hauled out of class in 'cuffs for doodling, I'd remove it from my repetoire ASAP.

In my mind there is nothing wrong with kids being scared into doing the right thing because they fear punishment or chatisement from their peers/superiors, until they learn to do the right thing because its the right thing.

[MoFo]

Its good to see the Police are punishing the real criminals of todays society.

[Fallap]

On the surface this appears as some great over reaction by the school and the police. However, I propose a differnt take. Maybe this was done to emphasize that defacing school property is an offense that the school will take seriously. Maybe this was a tactic to scare straight the kid that did it and the kids in the class that saw it. Maybe kids today are different but if the kid next to me got hauled out of class in 'cuffs for doodling, I'd remove it from my repetoire ASAP.

In my mind there is nothing wrong with kids being scared into doing the right thing because they fear punishment or chatisement from their peers/superiors, until they learn to do the right thing because its the right thing.

So next time a kid doodles on their desk, they should receive 50 lashes in the schoolyard infront of everyone, to state an example? :/

[Gleipnir]

On the surface this appears as some great over reaction by the school and the police. However, I propose a differnt take. Maybe this was done to emphasize that defacing school property is an offense that the school will take seriously. Maybe this was a tactic to scare straight the kid that did it and the kids in the class that saw it. Maybe kids today are different but if the kid next to me got hauled out of class in 'cuffs for doodling, I'd remove it from my repetoire ASAP.

In my mind there is nothing wrong with kids being scared into doing the right thing because they fear punishment or chatisement from their peers/superiors, until they learn to do the right thing because its the right thing.

Over the top, in my opinion.

I recall a kid in my high school spray-painted a wall, inside the school, and got caught.
The next morning as everyone was coming in as school was starting he was made to paint the wall himself, in front of everyone, as punishment.
His sheepishness while doing so, with a few teachers surrounding him, sent enough of a message.
There may have been more to it than this alone, but this is something that I feel falls more within an appropriate reaction.
Of course, we are dealing with a younger kid in this case, but seriously- being handcuffed by police? Did the police even need to be brought into this matter? Maybe if it was a repeat offense or if nothing could be done to deal with the matter internally.
Also, 'scaring straight' is not an efficient tactic in my general experience. I have seen it backfire more often than I have seen it achieve the desired result.

[Laconian]

So next time a kid doodles on their desk, they should receive 50 lashes in the schoolyard infront of everyone, to state an example? :/`

How about a nice big glass of reading comprehension? Did anything in my post establish or justify public flogging? You made a leap of illogic of slightly emabarrassing a kid by taking them out of class to public whipping. Brilliant.

[Policía Loco]

I would like to know the past experiences in dealing with these types of things at this particular school. Also supervisors wishes/requirements, his leniancy as far as individual officer discretion, etc. I don't know the laws regarding detention of minors in that state when crimes of defacing public property are involved (no matter how small), but if he acted within his powers as a sworn LEO granted to him by the state, then it may rightfully be someone else who should be blamed.

[Laconian]

Gleipnir, I'm not going to argue that it isn't over the top. Your historical reference is certainly more in line with what I remember kids getting for damaging school property when I was in school. I'm just throwing a different perspective on this.

Having been a cop, dealing with juvenile stupidity was No. 1 on my list of things I hated to deal with (ahead of directing traffic in foul weather by a mile!), and most cops I know feel the same way. This kid didn't go to jail. She went to the precinct where the cops did a bunch of paperwork, called her parents and sent her on her way and she will have a day in juvenile court, if they even charged her. By reading the story, she was embarrassed/ashamed. Maybe she will be smarter next time.

[Fallap]

`
Did anything in my post establish or justify public flogging?

Yes it did :0

[bersaglieri]

Laconian - unfortunately your point about scaring kids into behaviour or using the embarrasment angle falls down because that's NOT why it was done. It was done because she was actually being arrested and taken into the criminal justice system for something that petty. If the school authorities use police for such minor matters that should be dealt with administatively what on earth can they reserve for properly disruptive or abusive behaviour? SWAT teams?

[pocoloco]

They should throw girl's parents and just in case her whole extended family to the same cell with her. Justice prevails.

[Policía Loco]

They should throw girl's parents and just in case her whole extended family to the same cell with her. Justice prevails.


That might work woot Because a lot of the time when dealing with problem juveniles its the parents that can't/won't or could care less about raising their kids right.

[Laconian]

Yes it did :0

No, it didn't. And you're inability to see the difference in public humiliation/embarrassment and public flogging/whipping speaks volumes of your analytical skills.

[Gleipnir]

By reading the story, she was embarrassed/ashamed. Maybe she will be smarter next time.

I certainly hope so. Unfortunately, it may cause some confusion and mixed feeling when she is older and give her reason to lash out in different ways then.

[Jobu]

Maybe she will be smarter next time.

Maybe the cops and school will be smarter next time.

If anyone should be embarrassed/ashamed, it is the adults who we trusted with positions of authority.

[Mr.K]

****ing iditots, the teacher, the admins and the cops. In my school, if you were caught doing this the administartion would make you stay on a friday eveining and make you wash and clean all the desks on the floor where your class room was. And if you were a real dumbass, saturday morning too.

[Sand Man]

Cops dealing with juveniles. For the real hard core criminals, there's always the United States Army! p-)


She will be scarred for life.

[CG51]

****ing iditots, the teacher, the admins and the cops. In my school, if you were caught doing this the administartion would make you stay on a friday eveining and make you wash and clean all the desks on the floor where your class room was. And if you were a real dumbass, saturday morning too.

Those days are long since gone.

I got a number of paddles in elementary school up to the 8th grade. I still remember my Wood Shop teacher from the 8th grade. Black man with arms so big he had to cut and stitch a V in the short sleeve Izod's that he wore everyday. I was cutting up in class early that school year. He took the wood paddle that he had holes drilled into it and I had to bend over a sawhorse in front of the whole class. I heard the whistle of the paddle right before it hit. POP! one time. Only if you were a real **** up would he hit you twice. He had our full attention every day cause he would not hesitate to beat your ass. He was a good teacher and we all had respect for him. haha, he had the paddle hung on a nail right behind his desk up high enough for everyone to see.

[Kaapeli]

I've often wondered why American cops always handcuff even obviously harmless and peaceful people they arrest.

In many European countries cops don't usually handcuff people unless they are considered violent or resisting.

[Policía Loco]

I've often wondered why American cops always handcuff even obviously harmless and peaceful people they arrest.

In many European countries cops don't usually handcuff people unless they are considered violent or resisting.

There is so much wrong with that its not even funny.

[Mr.K]

Those days are long since gone.

I got a number of paddles in elementary school up to the 8th grade. I still remember my Wood Shop teacher from the 8th grade. Black man with arms so big he had to cut and stitch a V in the short sleeve Izod's that he wore everyday. I was cutting up in class early that school year. He took the wood paddle that he had holes drilled into it and I had to bend over a sawhorse in front of the whole class. I heard the whistle of the paddle right before it hit. POP! one time. Only if you were a real **** up would he hit you twice. He had our full attention every day cause he would not hesitate to beat your ass. He was a good teacher and we all had respect for him. haha, he had the paddle hung on a nail right behind his desk up high enough for everyone to see.

I went to a private school, maybe thats why the "tradition" lives. There was also detention when you had to copy verbs, copy the dictionary, and copy things "bart simspon style", as well as doing your homework.
I disagree with beating kids, but a good way of making someone realize that drawing on the tables is not "cool" is by making them cleaning it up, and step in the shoes of a janator.





She will be scarred for life.

Mother**** da po-pos! ;)

[Kaapeli]

There is so much wrong with that its not even funny.

How so?

Take for example this DUI arrest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja42o3m_o5Y

Two cops, a female driver who is not resisting in any way. Just extremely drunk. Why handcuff her?

Over here handcuffing is considered use a force and not done on default.

[Mr.K]

How so?

Take for example this DUI arrest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja42o3m_o5Y

Two cops, a female driver who is not resisting in any way. Just extremely drunk. Why handcuff her?

Over here handcuffing is considered use a force and not done on default.

Why? Because they can and allowed to.

[my name again]

No, it didn't. And you're inability to see the difference in public humiliation/embarrassment and public flogging/whipping speaks volumes of your analytical skills.

Why not put up a pillory in the schoolyard as the next logical step?

[Kaapeli]

Why? Because they can and allowed to.

So "The minimum force necessary" isn't a principle in the US police forces? I see.

[Policía Loco]

There is a fine line between trust and a sucker punch and getting your gun taken from you. Maybe cops from Europe have a talent for predicting the future, or assessing someones complete mental state accurately within seconds of meeting them, I dont know. But what I do know is that I have learned from experience is that if the crime is serious enough for you to be arrested then you are getting handcuffed.

[Kaapeli]

There is a fine line between trust and a sucker punch and getting your gun taken from you. Maybe cops from Europe have a talent for predicting the future, or assessing someones complete mental state accurately within seconds of meeting them, I dont know. But what I do know is that I have learned from experience is that if the crime is serious enough for you to be arrested then you are getting handcuffed.

Maybe they do have that talent in Europe then. And it seems to work well.
Assessing situations and people correctly is not a bad talent to learn.

But I'm guessing the US officers have that talent too and you underestimate them. It's just that they've been taught to handcuff anything and everything they come into contact with.

[Bathinus]

Haha, i thought this was gonna be something in Iran or Saudi Arabia...

[Policía Loco]

I was being slightly sarcastic.

People are unpredictable. You should never take anything at face value.

[Laconian]

So "The minimum force necessary" isn't a principle in the US police forces? I see.

No, I don't think you do see. An arrest is a seizure under the US 4th Amendment to the Constitution. Under this view the officer is allowed to use the reasonable amount of force necessary to effect an arrest and maintain custody of the arrested. Placing a subject in handcuffs during transport to a facility is the least amount of reasonable force to safely transport the subject. From another perspective the handcuffing ensures both the subject's and the officer's safety.

Some subjects, upon being arrested attempt to harm the officer or themselves, and don't always do that at the moment of arrest but sometime during the transport process, handcuffs help reduce their ability/opportunity to do that.

Handcuffing has been found time and again to be a valid form of restraint, not only for subjects under arrest but also during an investigative detention that may or may not lead to an arrest. I've seen too many pictures of cops that have been stabbed/cut slashed/attacked by a subject under arrest (snior citizens, women, juveniles, incoherent drunks, etc) by weapons that have been missed during a search but the personal weapons of the subject to even consider not cuffing somebody who is taking the ride. Every agency that I know of has a policy that says detained/arrested individuals will be handcuffed.

Maybe all the folks you have arrested have been gentlemen/gentlewomen.

[donllano]

Haha, i thought this was gonna be something in Iran or Saudi Arabia...
x2!!!

I think they do a great job in Europe...

[deagle]

[QUOTE=cbreedon;4769681]maybe she shouldn't have been drawing on other people's property....

well, the teacher draws on govt property also, she just erases the chalk.

but yeah, i agree, no parole for her. it only starts with vandalism, then arson, armed robbery, domestic terrorism. better pre-emptive prison. good job to all those administrators and the police for even doing it.

[Kaapeli]

No, I don't think you do see. An arrest is a seizure under the US 4th Amendment to the Constitution. Under this view the officer is allowed to use the reasonable amount of force necessary to effect an arrest and maintain custody of the arrested. Placing a subject in handcuffs during transport to a facility is the least amount of reasonable force to safely transport the subject. From another perspective the handcuffing ensures both the subject's and the officer's safety.

Some subjects, upon being arrested attempt to harm the officer or themselves, and don't always do that at the moment of arrest but sometime during the transport process, handcuffs help reduce their ability/opportunity to do that.

Handcuffing has been found time and again to be a valid form of restraint, not only for subjects under arrest but also during an investigative detention that may or may not lead to an arrest. I've seen too many pictures of cops that have been stabbed/cut slashed/attacked by a subject under arrest (snior citizens, women, juveniles, incoherent drunks, etc) by weapons that have been missed during a search but the personal weapons of the subject to even consider not cuffing somebody who is taking the ride. Every agency that I know of has a policy that says detained/arrested individuals will be handcuffed.

Maybe all the folks you have arrested have been gentlemen/gentlewomen.

This is very interesting. It's not common to handcuff people here. Everyone arrested and considered hostile are searched for weapons or contraband of course. But handcuffing is considered use of force.

And no. All of the people I have constrained have not been gentlemen or ladies. But every time I have had to, they have made it difficult for themselves. Forcing everyone to wear handcuffs would have meant far more trouble. Cuffing docile people is just provoking.

[kalerab]

There is so much wrong with that its not even funny.

Dunno how anywhere else but here cops can hancuff you only if the suspect is activly resisting the instructions of officer. Ie when you do what they say they do not have right, nor reason, to handcuff you.

Anyway this is pure and utter idiotism by as officers so principal. First of all - everywhere you´re going to find 12 years old kid which draws on school table. Everywhere, even in "hellholes" like North Korea, Saudi Arabia or Iran and no one is calling cops for that. Policemans here would be laughting their asses off for weeks to come if someone would call them with request to arrest 12 years old kid because she was writing on table and I consider my country to be a frickin soft version of police state. Next - when I was in high school the rules were simple - if you damage school property you or your parents are going to pay for it. What happens next is not our bussiness. But not single sane person considered drawing on table as damage of school property, at the end of every year we took our tables on the school yard, bought a paints and tools from our own money and repainted our tables. Same went for the walls in classroom, no big deal. I remember how one of my classmate upgraded his table by affixing a parquets as the top layer of the table and guess what? No cops, just our class teacher told him that be is a moron but than again we heared that a lot.

And I really can´t even understand how someone can defend this by calling this just "public humiliation". That calls for a facepalm.

[Austra]

ROFL.
Thats piss funny. I want that at my school. Would be funny to see all the wankers getting hauled away

[heli-cal]

There is a fine line between trust and a sucker punch and getting your gun taken from you. Maybe cops from Europe have a talent for predicting the future, or assessing someones complete mental state accurately within seconds of meeting them, I dont know. But what I do know is that I have learned from experience is that if the crime is serious enough for you to be arrested then you are getting handcuffed.

Really!

A child of twelve, with a sweet nature, whom writes of the love she feels for her friends, represents such a threat to a body armour wearing, firearm, baton and gas carrying public servant, that you think she might attack and disarm them, and so needs hand cuffing?

Maybe cops from Europe to whom you refer have the emotional and intellectual maturity, a modicum of professionalism and the ability to assess a child without feeling so insecure that they feel the need to handcuff the child!

[Policía Loco]

Really!

A child of twelve, with a sweet nature, whom writes of the love she feels for her friends, represents such a threat to a body armour wearing, firearm, baton and gas carrying public servant, that you think she might attack and disarm them, and so needs hand cuffing?

Maybe cops from Europe to whom you refer have the emotional and intellectual maturity, a modicum of professionalism and the ability to assess a child without feeling so insecure that they feel the need to handcuff the child!



Cincinnati Police Officer Kevin Crayon was killed by one of the youngest cop killers on record. He observed the boy driving a vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store. When the juvenile could not produce a driver's license, he attempted to flee the scene with the officer's arm stuck inside the car. Officer Crayon was dragged to his death, but before he died he was able to fire one fatal shot, killing the 12-year-old suspect.



Yes because 12 year olds are fvcking angels.

[kalerab]

Yes because 12 year olds are fvcking angels.

Gosh, if you haven´t noticed you are defending utter bs. Basicly you´re saying that because some 12 years old psycho killed a cop (and died in the process) it is ok to hancuff and arrest another 12 years old girl (which bytheway have absolutely nothing to do with this case, but who cares) for WRITING ON THE SCHOOL DESK! No matter how many times you look at it, no matter how many times you try to excuse it it was and is retarded. Anyway according to §13, article 1 of the law nr. 250/1994 of body of laws accepted by National Council of Slovak republic and NCSR law nr. 319/1999 the handcuffs are defined as compulsory instruments. According to the article 2 of the same law the policeman is allowed to use these instruments only after the suspect has been warned with threat that some from the compulsory instruments can and will be used if the suspect will not stop with the law abiding behaviour. This does not applie if policeman or another person is under the direct threat on his life or other circumastances does not allow to warn the suspect.
Next, according to §15 policeman can use hancuffs if
- the suspect is making an active resistance, attacking another person or destroying the property after the suspect was warned by police officer
- during the official act (that is not a proper translation, take it as body searching) exists a real threat that suspect can flee
Well now, I do not think that a 12 years old girl which was drawing on her table falls into either of these categories.
And this law, with little differences, is beeing used in every single state of European Union therefore what Kaapeli said was not "so much wrong that its not even funny".

[Policía Loco]

I was talking about cuffing those that are arrested in general, regardless of why or age. And what does the law in BFE have to do with the law on another continent?

[kalerab]

I was talking about cuffing those that are arrested in general, regardless of why or age. And what does the law in BFE have to do with the law on another continent?

Why? Maybe because you reacted on post which was comparing the laws on two continents and continued in that discussion up until this point. And what everyone here is talking about is not 12 years old psycho which killed a cop but a girl mentioned right in the first post in this thread. If you haven´t noticed no one is making from cops some boogyemans which everyone needs to be afraid of but saying that actions of as administration of that school so police officers was stupid and retarded considering the circumstances.

[Policía Loco]

My only issue is the argument against cuffing a 12 year old under some type of arrest. If someone is under arrest, then they should be cuffed. Simple as that. As far as the school incident goes then, no, I don't agree with it even being a LE issue.

[Dwelm]

my friend got bobed for assault, He still opened the van himself got in closed the door behind him called his mom to tell her he is arrested.

and they say we in africa are crazy

[Halcyon]

Why'd they handcuff her for gods sake, expecting resistance?

Just read some of the comments from before; I think it's common sense that you shouldn't cuff a 12 year old girl who's been accused doodling on a desk of all things, no matter how used to doing it you are.

[Super Sheep]

Cops and intelligence don't go hand it hand. Cops and common sense are allergic to one another.

Fact.

[Laconian]

Cops and intelligence don't go hand it hand. Cops and common sense are allergic to one another.

Fact.

Really? Thanks for clearing that up.

[California Joe]

Cops and intelligence don't go hand it hand. Cops and common sense are allergic to one another.

Fact.

Nice generalization ****bag. Apparently it also applies to assholes on the interwebs.

[Mordoror]

Only in Amerika.

in fact not
we had a case in France where two young biys (below 13 i think) were handcuffed for not having on board pass on the bus
as you can see lack of common sense is international sport :cantbeli:

[LineDoggie]

Cops and intelligence don't go hand it hand. Cops and common sense are allergic to one another.

Fact.http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/poster10054444.jpg.........................

[Stefan850]

Cops and intelligence don't go hand it hand. Cops and common sense are allergic to one another.

Fact.


Nope, the thing is people in general and intelligence don't go hand it hand but cops have a much bigger responsibility then an average person therefore retards in the police force and f*uck ups by the cops tend to be a much bigger deal, and rightfully so.

[Muc91]

Calling the cops because a girl scribbled a sentence on her desk? The teacher, the prinicipal and the cops should have their heads examined for common sense.

[MaDuce]

I don't know if this is kinda off topic but it seems that parents and in this case teachers are tunring to LEO's to discipline instead of god forbid actually be a good parent/guardian and doing it themselves.

[loganinkosovo]

In the old days she would have got a slap upside the head and made to clean the desk.

Now, thanks to 30 plus years of fellow traveler Teachers, Communist Teacher's Unions, ambulance chasing lawyers like John Edwards and the America hating communist ACLU we have stories like this.

A society destroyed from within by forces controlled from without.