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Geezah
02-20-2010, 11:47 PM
The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police has criticised some of his officers for recording snowball throwing as "serious violent crime".

Peter Fahy said the officers concerned had failed to show any common sense.

During last month's cold spell, six snowball-throwing incidents were logged as serious violent crimes, although no-one was injured or arrested.

The classification is more often given to offences such as murder, rape and causing grievous bodily harm.

A spokesman for the force said the six incidents had been misreported by the officers and since rectified.

Scathing

But speaking at a police authority meeting on Friday, Mr Fahy was scathing about the mistake.

He reportedly said some of his officers were too cautious in recording crimes as they were confused by government regulations and caught up in bureaucracy.

Mr Fahy, who took over as chief constable in 2008 after moving from neighbouring Cheshire, said he was trying to change the culture of over-recording crime in Manchester.

The chairman of the police authority, Paul Murphy, said: "I am disappointed some officers couldn't distinguish between different types of crime but the force's performance is improving significantly."

He added: "This constant measure of performance makes people nervous and indicates almost a lack of confidence, which says that what I will do, I'll report this and be safe. You know, it's disappointing that we're not using elements of common sense in this."

Assistant Chief Constable Terry Sweeney said: "Due to the complexity of the Home Office Crime Categories, occasionally incidents could be classified as a serious violent crime when they are first reported but downgraded when an officer has visited the scene and established the actual circumstances.

"We are working with officers to ensure they know how to properly code crimes so they are an accurate reflection of the situation."


Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8526256.stm)

Not much that can be said about this...................:roll:

Mr Gently Benevolent
02-21-2010, 01:37 AM
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8526256.stm)

Not much that can be said about this...................:roll:Look on the bright side Geeza. None of the officers pulled a gun on the snowballers.p-)

LineDoggie
02-21-2010, 09:24 AM
Never mind, thought this was about something else entirely....

Winger
02-21-2010, 09:26 AM
Never mind, thought this was about something else entirely....

Yeah, I though the same. hehe

Geezah
02-21-2010, 10:28 AM
Look on the bright side Geeza. None of the officers pulled a gun on the snowballers.p-)

Trust me, I think that is bloody over the top as well.

I wonder if these Officers were testing the waters for possible future offences?

Lov3ll
02-21-2010, 10:34 AM
Or maybe the officers made a mistake? because *gasp* their policemen not secretaries.

Russian_dude
02-22-2010, 05:41 AM
Or maybe the officers made a mistake? because *gasp* their policemen not secretaries.

More like secretaries with guns and on a powertrip.

Geezah
02-22-2010, 09:31 AM
Or maybe the officers made a mistake? because *gasp* their policemen not secretaries.

So really, what you're saying is they have no place being Policemen to start out with if they can't work out what is and isn't a serious violent crime?

Lov3ll
02-22-2010, 09:40 AM
So really, what you're saying is they have no place being Policemen to start out with if they can't work out what is and isn't a serious violent crime?

No pretty sure I was saying their policemen and not secretaries it's quite clear in the quote, meaning they should be out doing their job rather than stuck behind a desk with ****loads of bureaucratic bull****, were the people who threw the snowball jailed for it? no were they treated as if they committed a serious crime? no, it was a simple paperwork mistake so they got a code wrong boo hoo, now if they would have started shooting them then you can come on here and piss and moan but they didn't.

Lov3ll
02-22-2010, 10:06 AM
More like secretaries with guns and on a powertrip.

The majority of BRITISH police don't have guns and how does making a mistake on a piece of paper = power trip? unless you mistook this case for the dc cop who pulled out his gun when he got hit with a snowball?

nemowork
02-22-2010, 11:12 AM
Its more that there have been a lot of people, especially Police officers themselves complaining about government crime targets that can't be met so officers are pressured into making a minor or non-existent incident that would have warranted a verbal warning getting recorded officially so it appears as a crime solved on the reporting statistics.

Its got to the point where its getting ridiculous, for example if theres a minor car crash and the drivers have a fight you can record it as driving offences, public order offences, possibly GBH and assault and if one of the parties is a racial minority as a racial incident. Instead of getting sent away to cool down the cop can arrest someone and 'solve' four crimes.

The classic case is the guy who was coming out of a charty shop and a £10 note slipped from his pocket. A cop saw this and not only helpfully picked up the money for him but used it as evidence as he charged the guy with public littering :roll:

This is basically the senior Police saying 'enough is enough, things have gone too far'

Connaught Ranger
02-22-2010, 12:31 PM
Its more that there have been a lot of people, especially Police officers themselves complaining about government crime targets that can't be met so officers are pressured into making a minor or non-existent incident that would have warranted a verbal warning getting recorded officially so it appears as a crime solved on the reporting statistics.

Its got to the point where its getting ridiculous, for example if theres a minor car crash and the drivers have a fight you can record it as driving offences, public order offences, possibly GBH and assault and if one of the parties is a racial minority as a racial incident. Instead of getting sent away to cool down the cop can arrest someone and 'solve' four crimes.

The classic case is the guy who was coming out of a charty shop and a £10 note slipped from his pocket. A cop saw this and not only helpfully picked up the money for him but used it as evidence as he charged the guy with public littering :roll:

This is basically the senior Police saying 'enough is enough, things have gone too far'

I believe it was a case of picking up the said note and dropping it numerous times to P*ss of the policeman before any action was taken.
Connaught Ranger.

Havoc345
02-22-2010, 04:01 PM
Assistant Chief Constable Terry Sweeney, The chairman of the police authority, Paul Murphy, Mr. Peter Fahy


Sounds like you Brits got a lot of Mick coppers over in Manchester. p-)

Connaught Ranger
02-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Sounds like you Brits got a lot of Mick coppers over in Manchester. p-)

Yeah, some of them were even born in the U.K.

Havoc345
02-22-2010, 04:06 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/28jef09.jpg

Maybe you need to fix yours

Winger
02-22-2010, 04:06 PM
Sounds like you Brits got a lot of Mick coppers over in Manchester. p-)

As well as gangsters. One of the most notorious in Britain was Irish born in Manchester.

Connaught Ranger
02-22-2010, 04:26 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/28jef09.jpg

Maybe you need to fix yours

No need, as I was stating a fact.:lol: