From Haaretz, France led the compromise with PLO at the UN!

[gilgoul]

[quote]
Last Update: 21/07/2004 09:06

Israel to press on with fence after UN resolution condemns it

By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent and *******



NEW YORK - Israel vowed to press on with construction of the West Bank separation fence after the United Nations General Assembly overwhelmingly adopted a resolution condemning the barrier late on Tuesday, with 150 nations voting in favor of the draft, six nations opposing it and 10 abstaining.




"The building of the fence will go on," Ra'anan Gissin, a senior adviser to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said Wednesday morning.

"Israel will not stop building it or abdicate its inalienable right to self-defense," Gissen said.

Aside from Israel, the United States, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, Palau and Australia voted against the resolution.

Canada, Uruguay, Cameroon, Tonga, Vanuatu, El Salvador, Uganda, Papua New Guinea, Nauru and the Solomon Islands abstained.

Under the resolution, the assembly demands that Israel comply with the ruling of the International Court of Justice that the barrier built on Palestinian land was illegal and should be torn down. The resolution also demands that Israel pay reparations for damages caused by construction of the barrier.

The assembly's vote, like The Hague ruling, is not legally binding, but both have symbolic value as international statements of support for the barrier's destruction.

Both demand that the barrier be dismantled and reparations be paid to Palestinians harmed by its construction.

The High Court of Justice ruled June 30 the state must reroute 30 kilometers of a 40-kilometer stretch of the fence northwest of Jerusalem, in a decision which stated the state must take into account the humanitarian impact the fence may have on Palestinian civilians living along it when determining the fence's route.

A last-minute compromise struck between European Union nations and the Palestinian sponsors of the resolution enabled the entire EU bloc to support the draft.

"Thank God that the fate of Israel and of the Jewish people is not decided in this hall," Israeli Ambassador Dan Gillerman said after the vote. "This resolution cannot but embolden those who are the true enemies of the Israeli and Palestinian people."

Gillerman called the resolution "one-sided and totally counterproductive" and said construction of the barrier will continue in compliance with international law as decided by Israel's High Court.

While the draft would "accept" the court ruling, some EU states including Britain insisted it only "take note" of the opinion while others wanted it to "welcome" the judgment.

"It is simply outrageous to respond with such vigor to a measure that saves lives and respond with such casual indifference and apathy to the ongoing campaign of Palestinian terrorism that takes lives. This is not justice but a perversion of justice," Gillerman said.

The deputy chief of Israel's UN mission Arye Mekel said Israel was very sorry that the EU nations surrendered to Palestinian dictates and added that it would be difficult to see how the Europeans could fulfill any part in the peace process after Tuesday's vote.

Palestinian UN observer Nasser al-Kidwa praised the vote as "a historic development."

"This indeed could be the most important resolution of the General Assembly since the adoption of Resolution 181 of 1947," he said. That measure called for the partition of British-ruled Palestine into independent Jewish and Arab states.

U.S. Deputy Ambassador James Cunningham warned that the resolution was unbalanced and could further undermine the goal of a Middle East in which Israeli and Palestinian states live side by side in peace.

"All sides are now focused on Gaza and partial West Bank withdrawal as a way to restart the progress towards this vision," he told the assembly.

A vote initially had been set for last Friday but was postponed until Monday, and then to Tuesday evening, to give Arab and European Union diplomats more time to try to reach a deal on changes sought by the EU to win its support.

Kidwa drafted the resolution, a softened version of the recent International Court of Justice decision. However, even the watered-down draft is seen by some to be hard on Israel.

European states were divided over whether the text should express concern about a section of the court ruling suggesting that under the UN Charter, a state had the right to defend itself only against an attack from another state, and not, for example, from a suicide bomber.

Diplomats said most EU states, however, were united in wanting the text to recognize Israeli security concerns and refer to the obligations of both sides under the road map to peace set out by the quartet of Middle East mediators - the United States, European Union, United Nations and Russia.

Hours prior to the vote, EU diplomats were still divided over the precise wording of the resolution.

"There was a stage, just half an hour before the vote, when the Europeans decided they were sick of this sick ritual in which they are forced to chase after the Palestinians to change a word here and a word there," Gillerman told Israel Radio on Wednesday morning. "I must say, the Europeans really did not want this result.

"But in the end, the desire for consensus among the Europeans overcame intelligent thinking," Gillerman added.

A senior Israeli official said that as far as Israel was concerned, France played a devastating role in rallying support for the draft among EU nations.

Britain and Italy, however, objected to the draft and demanded changes. [quote]

Is that the answer of Chirac to Sharon?
Sharon and bush might be assholes sometimes, but that is really funny and pathetic to see Chirac competing in the stupidity, and winning !
definitely, the emperor is naked!

[Miles Teg]

I don't think Chirac was able to react so fast to the Sharon speach.
But I can be wrong.
I hope this is a result of more longer politic. Because if it is just a childish reaction against Sharon, it will be so... childish.

I don't like Sharon. I'm against the wall. But you have to ensure your protection.
And I must acknowledge I don't have better solution.
What did you think of more Special Force operation against great terrorist?
I think this conflict is also a problem of image and thrust of the crowd.
Brutal action is the main solution, you have to cut the head of terrorists. But why don't you make it in clean manner? I know it's dangerous but find a way to infiltrate and kill them with a bullet in the head, or other spectacular manner. But no more missile or rockets which kill civilians.

I know that **** happends, eggs may broke. But take care of the influence on the crowd. Take care of your image.

I know it would make you to vomit, but didn't you think you have to get the confidence and thrust of the palestinian simple people?

Miles Teg, which don't want to start you anger, just want to discuss. :petting:

[gilgoul]

I don't think Chirac was able to react so fast to the Sharon speach.
But I can be wrong.
I hope this is a result of more longer politic. Because if it is just a childish reaction against Sharon, it will be so... childish.

I don't like Sharon. I'm against the wall. But you have to ensure your protection.
And I must acknowledge I don't have better solution.
What did you think of more Special Force operation against great terrorist?
I think this conflict is also a problem of image and thrust of the crowd.
Brutal action is the main solution, you have to cut the head of terrorists. But why don't you make it in clean manner? I know it's dangerous but find a way to infiltrate and kill them with a bullet in the head, or other spectacular manner. But no more missile or rockets which kill civilians.

I know that **** happends, eggs may broke. But take care of the influence on the crowd. Take care of your image.

I know it would make you to vomit, but didn't you think you have to get the confidence and thrust of the palestinian simple people?

Miles Teg, which don't want to start you anger, just want to discuss. :petting:


Believe me, I wish. Palestinians and Israelis hand in hand froliking in the sweet spring fields of freedom and love.
Let`s come back to earth will we?
The confidence and trust between the two people "disapeared" in 1996, when a depeche of the AFP lied about a tunnel suposedly going "under " the Al Aqsa mosque, and trigered riot and fire fights between Israelis and palestinians. 17 Israelis died, 79 palestinians (mainly PA policemen and miliciamen)
Since, it`s been a long preparation to the next round of violence by the PA, smuggling great quantities of weapons through Rafiah tunnels, importing them "legally" or receiving them from US, under the agreement signed in Oslo 3 years sooner.
Once again, without any animosity i`m sorry to see the impact of the media on your opinion, you should see how we endanger ourselves to a great deal in order t prevent innocent casualties.
All in all, only one million and half small arm rounds have been fired during this time. I know that numerically it soundes enormous, it`s in fact very limited considering the intensity of the fights on 4 years.
(if you have 10000 soldiers, it means 150 bullets fird in FOUR years)
as for the "elimination" of terrorists, clean cut, it`s also done, but not to our credit either, since it`s called "extra judicial assasination" by everyone. And I can assure you that the ROE are tough here, you don`t fire your weapon because you thought that.
And if you look at the number of casualties, it`s on a 1 to 3 proportion, wich means that we don`t shoot that easily (a "normal" rate hould be at one to ten, the brits in Irak have so far achieved a 1 to 13)
You can regret the "wall" (once again, it`s a fence on 98% of it`s lenght), but being against is an ingerence in my internal affairs.
If you take a look at the map, you`ll see that it follows roughly the green line (67), plunging in the territories only to connect the city of Ariel to Israel.
One can object to this "de facto" annexion, I consider it not that shocking. We learned the hard way that in negociation you have to claim hefty price for your concession, and you need a back up, this wall is our back up. If some day we `re going to negociate real peace with some new palestinian leader, then we will be need this weight.
You know, I`m affraid that the palestinians suffer from a surplus of rethoric support, it doesn`t help them being pragmatic.
When you finance the PA, and don`t ask it accountancy o the use of this money, you disqualify yourself as a fair and unbiased partner.

To finish (what an energy today ;) ), just for your information, there are in Israel about 950 permanent foreign correspondents, that is roughly the number of foreing corespondents present permanently in AFRICA! (56 nations, a pandemy, a genocide and 3 civil wars going on).
All journalists are not bad, but the honest ones can`t work here, the competition between them push them to sensationalism, and the redactions back home aren`t nice angels floating on a cloud of truth.
Look what happened in Jenin, how France 2 called it a massacre, how the BBC mounted this piece of crap documentary "the accused" calling for Sharon indictment at the TPI.
How every palestinian casualty is qulified of "victim", how shalevet Paz, baby daughter of a Hervon setler was murdered by a palestinian sniper while she was in her fathers arm, and qualified " Bebe colon tuee a Hebron" by Liberation.
There`s a bias in the media, the french media particulary, the AFP is the first press agency of the arab world, let`s not forget this element.
There have been abuses, errors, **** up, but never on the systematic and widespread range as described by medias.

Yo, I `ve got to go now.

[seruriermarshal]

Now France really helping terrorists .

:fork:

[Miles Teg]

Let`s come back to earth will we?
LOL


The confidence and trust between the two people "disapeared" in 1996
It should be weak if it disapeared with only a depeche. It's look like they (don't know who start first) were waiting for the first occasion to rush.
The tension should be strong to get this result so easily.


And I can assure you that the ROE are tough here, you don`t fire your weapon because you thought that.
Sorry, I didn't realised I was contradict my own mind. I still thinking your army is absolutely professional, so have strong ROE.


You can regret the "wall" (once again, it`s a fence on 98% of it`s lenght), but being against is an ingerence in my internal affairs.
Sorry but I'm anger to don't realise the subtil difference between the material solutions. And until that's touching an other country, it's foreign affairs. But agree that's YOUR own foreign affairs.

About medias :
"Wow!" again
I guess something like this about it, but not so much.
But I've already and always trying to clean the informations.
I HATE when a journalist use subjective words. So I take only facts like "reprisal (hey! that's near subjective) kill a terrorist leader and made 6 civilians casualties"

But like i said, I will more attentive for next medias views.

Thanks gilgoul, see you soon.

[ikurinturbiini]

Screw UN, in fact, screw the world. Israel can do whatever they like because USA sez so. USA makes the rules, others can STFU. Some French dude has a problem with that? Screw him, too, and the horse he rode in on.

Next resolution, please...

[il31]

France in a state of hysteria

Sharon was right in calling on French Jews to make aliyah, even if it angered Chirac
Avraham Tirosh


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France's hysterical reaction to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's call for French Jews to immigrate to Israel sounds like it came from someone with a guilty conscience. It is usually a guilt complex or repressed hatred that produces such disproportionate responses. It seems that if France were not so steeped in antisemitism (with nearly half the world's antisemitic incidents occurring within its borders), Sharon's words would have simply floated by.

This wasn't the first time Sharon called on the world's Jews to make aliyah, and this is to his credit. He is also not the first prime minister to do so. So what's all the fuss? "Sharon's words are unacceptable", the French Foreign Ministry spokesman said, with the National Council Chairman adding the label "irresponsible". Another source said that "Sharon's remarks were exaggerated and he trespassed into France's internal affairs". A tempest in a teapot (or wine glass).

Leaders of the French Jewish community also took exception to Sharon's remarks, calling on him to "let the French community cope with its problems". In short, don't anger the Goyim [non-Jews]. It may be hard to explain to these Goyim, and it should be unnecessary to explain to the Jews of France, that Sharon's words were totally acceptable from the Israeli point of view, and that one of the main functions of Israeli prime ministers is to encourage aliyah. Bringing Diaspora Jews back to their homeland is one of this nation's goals, and Sharon was intervening not in the affairs of France, but in those of his own country.

A few more words, which should be obvious to the Jews of France. The State of Israel was established in the wake of the Holocaust, partly in order to insure that such horrors never again occur. It sees itself as responsible for the fate of all Jews in the world and as their defender in times of trouble. When Jews, as Jews, are in crisis or danger, Israel does not hesitate to intervene and rescue them, either openly or behind-the-scenes. This was the case in, among other places, the former Soviet Union, South Africa, Arab countries, and Cuba.

This will also be the case if you, heaven forbid, are in grave danger and unable to help yourselves. Today, it seems like a distant possibility, but you should not underestimate it. Jews in the past paid dearly for miscalculating such danger. Think twice, at lease, before telling Israel to keep its distance. Antisemitism is not your personal problem; it belongs to Israel and the entire Jewish People. So, immigrate to Israel. Sharon was right, even if he angered Chirac. There's no need to wait to the last minute, when the sword is resting at your throats. It may come down if you wait too long.

I know it isn't easy these days for Israel to make such statements. The situation is complicated and leads to outspoken criticism: Israel poses as the defender of Diapora Jews while it can't even defend its own citizens; only in Israel are Jews killed because they are Jews; Israel is the main source of antisemitism in this century; Israel, through its policies and actions, endangers us, the Jews of France, and it is Israel that wants to rescue us? It shouldn't be putting us in danger in the first place.

Not all of these arguments can be disregarded. But most of them are empty words spoken by people looking for excuses not to make aliyah. Israel is still a secure place for Jews, and it is the only place they can truly call home. The more Jews it absorbs, the stronger and safer it will be. And one day, when the Palestinian conflict is resolved, it will be the most secure place in the world, while antisemitism, in its various dangerous forms, will never come to an end.

Since its inception, Israel has absorbed waves of immigrants (with the exception of religious Jews) who were not attracted by some wondrous vision, but were repelled by negative forces in the Diaspora. The increasing evidence of antisemitism in France has not been forceful enough to push most French Jews into immigrating to Israel, and we must pray that these incidents are abated. Aliya figures from France since 2000 are pitifully low. According to Ministry of Absorption data, fewer than 8,000 of the 600,000 Jews of France immigrated to Israel in the last 4 ½ years.

President Chirac has no cause for worry, and the antisemites have no reason to celebrate. Sharon's plea will not open the flood gates to French aliyah. Likewise, the Ministry of Absorption needn't become anxious, nor should it be making any special plans.

[Moledet]

They are selling their soul to the Satan.

[Pille1234]

How I love israeli extremism mixed with french bashing. :roll:

[cut]

France in a state of hysteria

Sharon was right in calling on French Jews to make aliyah, even if it angered Chirac
Avraham Tirosh


Advertisement
France's hysterical reaction to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's call for French Jews to immigrate to Israel sounds like it came from someone with a guilty conscience. It is usually a guilt complex or repressed hatred that produces such disproportionate responses. It seems that if France were not so steeped in antisemitism (with nearly half the world's antisemitic incidents occurring within its borders), Sharon's words would have simply floated by.

This wasn't the first time Sharon called on the world's Jews to make aliyah, and this is to his credit. He is also not the first prime minister to do so. So what's all the fuss? "Sharon's words are unacceptable", the French Foreign Ministry spokesman said, with the National Council Chairman adding the label "irresponsible". Another source said that "Sharon's remarks were exaggerated and he trespassed into France's internal affairs". A tempest in a teapot (or wine glass).

Leaders of the French Jewish community also took exception to Sharon's remarks, calling on him to "let the French community cope with its problems". In short, don't anger the Goyim [non-Jews]. It may be hard to explain to these Goyim, and it should be unnecessary to explain to the Jews of France, that Sharon's words were totally acceptable from the Israeli point of view, and that one of the main functions of Israeli prime ministers is to encourage aliyah. Bringing Diaspora Jews back to their homeland is one of this nation's goals, and Sharon was intervening not in the affairs of France, but in those of his own country.

A few more words, which should be obvious to the Jews of France. The State of Israel was established in the wake of the Holocaust, partly in order to insure that such horrors never again occur. It sees itself as responsible for the fate of all Jews in the world and as their defender in times of trouble. When Jews, as Jews, are in crisis or danger, Israel does not hesitate to intervene and rescue them, either openly or behind-the-scenes. This was the case in, among other places, the former Soviet Union, South Africa, Arab countries, and Cuba.

This will also be the case if you, heaven forbid, are in grave danger and unable to help yourselves. Today, it seems like a distant possibility, but you should not underestimate it. Jews in the past paid dearly for miscalculating such danger. Think twice, at lease, before telling Israel to keep its distance. Antisemitism is not your personal problem; it belongs to Israel and the entire Jewish People. So, immigrate to Israel. Sharon was right, even if he angered Chirac. There's no need to wait to the last minute, when the sword is resting at your throats. It may come down if you wait too long.

I know it isn't easy these days for Israel to make such statements. The situation is complicated and leads to outspoken criticism: Israel poses as the defender of Diapora Jews while it can't even defend its own citizens; only in Israel are Jews killed because they are Jews; Israel is the main source of antisemitism in this century; Israel, through its policies and actions, endangers us, the Jews of France, and it is Israel that wants to rescue us? It shouldn't be putting us in danger in the first place.

Not all of these arguments can be disregarded. But most of them are empty words spoken by people looking for excuses not to make aliyah. Israel is still a secure place for Jews, and it is the only place they can truly call home. The more Jews it absorbs, the stronger and safer it will be. And one day, when the Palestinian conflict is resolved, it will be the most secure place in the world, while antisemitism, in its various dangerous forms, will never come to an end.

Since its inception, Israel has absorbed waves of immigrants (with the exception of religious Jews) who were not attracted by some wondrous vision, but were repelled by negative forces in the Diaspora. The increasing evidence of antisemitism in France has not been forceful enough to push most French Jews into immigrating to Israel, and we must pray that these incidents are abated. Aliya figures from France since 2000 are pitifully low. According to Ministry of Absorption data, fewer than 8,000 of the 600,000 Jews of France immigrated to Israel in the last 4 ½ years.

President Chirac has no cause for worry, and the antisemites have no reason to celebrate. Sharon's plea will not open the flood gates to French aliyah. Likewise, the Ministry of Absorption needn't become anxious, nor should it be making any special plans.


Jewish community leaders were dismayed. Richard Pasquier, a member of the executive of the Council of Jewish Organisations (Crif), accused the Israeli Prime Minister of "pouring oil on the fire".
"We can't accept this kind of statement, which bears no relation to reality", he said "A few Jews are considering leaving, it's true. But a mass clearout like Sharon suggests implies that the situation is way out of control... We are nowhere near that"

Independent, 20 July 2004

[Chris O`Crooh]

USA makes the rules, others can STFU.

That point of view makes many people around the world to burn American flags.

[ikurinturbiini]

USA makes the rules, others can STFU.

That point of view makes many people around the world to burn American flags.

Point of view?! It's a FACT!

[gilgoul]

They are selling their soul to the Satan.

ו מה אתה נותן לאולים חדשים?
אל תדבר שתויות עם אתה לא יודע, כי ה מצב שם לא כזה נורה.
ו תסלח את ה שגיות,אני אוד לא כותב עברית טוב :oops:

[StarvingStudent47]

Has the UN ever suggested a viable alternative for preventing terrorist attacks? They're against incursions, they're against targeted killings, they're against Mossad/Shin Bet assassinations, and now they're against building a barrier.

Well that pretty much covers all the bases, now doesn't it?

[Javehn]

Hello , first of all . Me back from very hot reserves somewhere in the desert ... After wasting aprox 80,000 dollars to our taxpayers on some nice ammount of ammo (and some cold beers :oops: ) .

Some Israeli joke , just to lighten up the mod here (or perhaps not) .

Some girl in France played with her ball on the street , and suddenly her dog jumped on her to take the ball away , and started to bite her to death . Some guy who passed on the street saw that , he jumped on the dog and killed him .

The French press came to that guy and said "Ok , dude , you will be on the front pages of our newspapers tommorow . How about - French hero saves a life of a little girl from a raging dog ? " - "But I am not A French "- replies that guy . -"Ok , how about - European hero saves a life of a little girl from a raging dog ? " -"I am not European , guys" - replies that man . -"Hmm , strange , so who are you ? "
-"I am Israeli tourist " - the guy replies .
The next day , first pages of every newspaper in France: "Israeli tourist kills a dog of a little girl" .

[cut]

USA makes the rules, others can STFU.

That point of view makes many people around the world to burn American flags.

Point of view?! It's a FACT!


Really? How about this american rule "you must come and fight with us in Iraq"..

Fact? my arse!

[Pille1234]

Has the UN ever suggested a viable alternative for preventing terrorist attacks? They're against incursions, they're against targeted killings, they're against Mossad/Shin Bet assassinations, and now they're against building a barrier.

Well that pretty much covers all the bases, now doesn't it?
Maybe they are only against building a barrier on palestinian territory?

[IDFM203]

Believe me, I wish. Palestinians and Israelis hand in hand froliking in the sweet spring fields of freedom and love.
Let`s come back to earth will we?
The confidence and trust between the two people "disapeared" in 1996, when a depeche of the AFP lied about a tunnel suposedly going "under " the Al Aqsa mosque, and trigered riot and fire fights between Israelis and palestinians. 17 Israelis died, 79 palestinians (mainly PA policemen and miliciamen)
Since, it`s been a long preparation to the next round of violence by the PA, smuggling great quantities of weapons through Rafiah tunnels, importing them "legally" or receiving them from US, under the agreement signed in Oslo 3 years sooner.
Once again, without any animosity i`m sorry to see the impact of the media on your opinion, you should see how we endanger ourselves to a great deal in order t prevent innocent casualties.
All in all, only one million and half small arm rounds have been fired during this time. I know that numerically it soundes enormous, it`s in fact very limited considering the intensity of the fights on 4 years.
(if you have 10000 soldiers, it means 150 bullets fird in FOUR years)
as for the "elimination" of terrorists, clean cut, it`s also done, but not to our credit either, since it`s called "extra judicial assasination" by everyone. And I can assure you that the ROE are tough here, you don`t fire your weapon because you thought that.
And if you look at the number of casualties, it`s on a 1 to 3 proportion, wich means that we don`t shoot that easily (a "normal" rate hould be at one to ten, the brits in Irak have so far achieved a 1 to 13)
You can regret the "wall" (once again, it`s a fence on 98% of it`s lenght), but being against is an ingerence in my internal affairs.
If you take a look at the map, you`ll see that it follows roughly the green line (67), plunging in the territories only to connect the city of Ariel to Israel.
One can object to this "de facto" annexion, I consider it not that shocking. We learned the hard way that in negociation you have to claim hefty price for your concession, and you need a back up, this wall is our back up. If some day we `re going to negociate real peace with some new palestinian leader, then we will be need this weight.
You know, I`m affraid that the palestinians suffer from a surplus of rethoric support, it doesn`t help them being pragmatic.
When you finance the PA, and don`t ask it accountancy o the use of this money, you disqualify yourself as a fair and unbiased partner.

To finish (what an energy today ;) ), just for your information, there are in Israel about 950 permanent foreign correspondents, that is roughly the number of foreing corespondents present permanently in AFRICA! (56 nations, a pandemy, a genocide and 3 civil wars going on).
All journalists are not bad, but the honest ones can`t work here, the competition between them push them to sensationalism, and the redactions back home aren`t nice angels floating on a cloud of truth.
Look what happened in Jenin, how France 2 called it a massacre, how the BBC mounted this piece of crap documentary "the accused" calling for Sharon indictment at the TPI.
How every palestinian casualty is qulified of "victim", how shalevet Paz, baby daughter of a Hervon setler was murdered by a palestinian sniper while she was in her fathers arm, and qualified " Bebe colon tuee a Hebron" by Liberation.
There`s a bias in the media, the french media particulary, the AFP is the first press agency of the arab world, let`s not forget this element.
There have been abuses, errors, f*** up, but never on the systematic and widespread range as described by medias.

Yo, I `ve got to go now.I know I am late here and I don’t want to restart a whole debate by bringing up this thread again, but I must say excellent post by you...really superb and well I just want to point that out!! :D







Some Israeli joke , just to lighten up the mod here (or perhaps not) .

Some girl in France played with her ball on the street , and suddenly her dog jumped on her to take the ball away , and started to bite her to death . Some guy who passed on the street saw that , he jumped on the dog and killed him .

The French press came to that guy and said "Ok , dude , you will be on the front pages of our newspapers tommorow . How about - French hero saves a life of a little girl from a raging dog ? " - "But I am not A French "- replies that guy . -"Ok , how about - European hero saves a life of a little girl from a raging dog ? " -"I am not European , guys" - replies that man . -"Hmm , strange , so who are you ? "
-"I am Israeli tourist " - the guy replies .
The next day , first pages of every newspaper in France: "Israeli tourist kills a dog of a little girl" .Well in more proper English ;) , or how I heard it before………. :D



>A guy in Paris saw a pit bull attacking a toddler.
>
>He killed the pit bull and saved the child's life.
>
>Reporters swarmed the fellow.
>
>"Tell us! What's your name? All Pariswill love you! Tomorrow's
>headline will be: "Hero Saves Girl from Vicious Dog!"
>
>The guy says, "But I'm not from Paris.
>
>"Reporters: "That's OK.Then the whole of France will love you
>and tomorrow's headline will read: 'Hero Saves Girl from Vicious
>Dog!'"
>
>The guy says, "I'm not from France, either."
>
>Reporters: "That's OK also. All Europewill love you.
>Tomorrow's headlines will shout: 'Hero Saves Girl from Vicious
>Dog!'"
>
>The guy says, "I'm not from Europe, either.
>
>"Reporters: "So, where ARE you from?
>
>The guy says, "I'm from Israel.
>
>"Reporters: "OK. Then tomorrow's headlines will proclaim to
>the world:
>'Israeli Kills Girl's Dog!'"



Shalom :D

[n4292936]

USA makes the rules, others can STFU.

That point of view makes many people around the world to burn American flags.

Point of view?! It's a FACT!
Its a fact that viewpoints like this make millions around the world hate America

[Midav]

USA makes the rules, others can STFU.

That point of view makes many people around the world to burn American flags.

Point of view?! It's a FACT!
Its a fact that viewpoints like this make millions around the world hate America

It's a shame that said people have to generalize then, making them no better than the ignorant POS's in the US.

I've said before, ignorism has no boundires. It's not just a national flaw, it's a human flaw.

[n4292936]

I agree, ignorance is endemic around the world, and isnt confined to America or anywhere else as some people would have us believe. I do, however, think that Americans, by virtue of residing in culturaly insular, and geographically isolated superpower, aren't as concerned with the outside world, and therefore know less of it than many country's populaces. This isnt to say that American's aren't as intelligent as the next nation, just that they tend to be less aware of the world around them

[Midav]

I agree, ignorance is endemic around the world, and isnt confined to America or anywhere else as some people would have us believe. I do, however, think that Americans, by virtue of residing in culturaly insular, and geographically isolated superpower, aren't as concerned with the outside world, and therefore know less of it than many countries populaces. This isnt to say that American's aren't as intelligent as the next nation, just that they tend to be less aware of the world around them

I agree with that 100%! Ignorism about life around the world is very predominant in the US. Ignorism about hatred is everywhere. In my years living overseas, I got into arguments and even fights just for being who I was.

Oh well, life goes on..... :)

[Moledet]

They are selling their soul to the Satan.

ו מה אתה נותן לאולים חדשים?
אל תדבר שתויות עם אתה לא יודע, כי ה מצב שם לא כזה נורה.
ו תסלח את ה שגיות,אני אוד לא כותב עברית טוב :oops:
All I said is that cooporating with the PA is like selling your soul to the Satan, I said nothing about antisemitism in France or anything that is related to it.

[StarvingStudent47]

I agree, ignorance is endemic around the world, and isnt confined to America or anywhere else as some people would have us believe. I do, however, think that Americans, by virtue of residing in culturaly insular, and geographically isolated superpower, aren't as concerned with the outside world, and therefore know less of it than many country's populaces. This isnt to say that American's aren't as intelligent as the next nation, just that they tend to be less aware of the world around them

We're not geographically isolated! We have the historic homeland of hockey and Alanis Morrissette above us, and the homeland of tasty food and intestinal parasites below us.

[Operation Ivy]

How I love israeli extremism mixed with french bashing. :roll:

It be really cool if we could go a week without isreaeli extremism, American French Bashing, and European American Bashing.....but that seems pretty hard for some members here :D

[DPGLAW]

Why would Israel cease with building this necessary fence just because the UN says so....hahahaha. The UN has been proven to be a joke so I don't see why any resolution by the defunct UN would have an effect on any decision by any country.

Since the run up to the liberation of Iraq the UN with their lack of ability to make the right decision has obviously proven themselves to be a worthless body that caters to those who wish to line their pockets. By this I eman Frace and Russia and im sure many others abuse of the oil-for-food program designed to assist Iraqi civilians. The responsible (I use that term for lack of a better word)person from those countries used this program to make themselve rich...... But this is off topic so let me get back on track...

This fence is necessary for Israel to protect themselves from Homicide bombers, innocent civilians are killed there almost every day because of the terrorist palenstinians and the terrorist government there. Without the fence, these killers can just walk into Israel and blow themselves up, killing all around. Unfortunately, just having soldiers at the border does not, by itself, work. On top of that, it puts those young men and women at risk to be killed by these terrorists. I hope that Israel does not bow to anyones pressure and stop building this necessary, but unfortunate, security tool. In my opinion we, the United States, should be shutting our borders to everyone except those from countries that are our Allies. We are worried about terrorists getting into our country. Perhaps something similar to the Israeli wall as well as borders COMPLETELY shut to all but citizens of countries which are our allies may keep these terrorists out of our country......

Thanks for listening to my rant...lol :)

[DPGLAW]

I agree, ignorance is endemic around the world, and isnt confined to America or anywhere else as some people would have us believe. I do, however, think that Americans, by virtue of residing in culturaly insular, and geographically isolated superpower, aren't as concerned with the outside world, and therefore know less of it than many country's populaces. This isnt to say that American's aren't as intelligent as the next nation, just that they tend to be less aware of the world around them

I agree with you totally, we Americans are concerned foremost with what is in our interest, first on a personal level, tehn nationally. We are not generally, as a population, aware of what is going on around the worlkd. In short- if it dosen't concern us, then we don't really care. This is not to say that ALL Americans are alike, but I think taht as a whole this is more the rule than the exception. I see nothing wrong with this as everyone I am sure will agree- You SHOULD worry about yourself and your health, finacial, emotional, etc. wellbeing first. Then if you can, woryr about others- But look out for #1.

I think that this contributes to our attitudes and actions twords people of other nations. We have only recently begun to really rely on other nations for assistance with out military, primarily intelligence operations against the terrorists in this new war. Additionally, many of these whining european countries like france and germany have not had a significant or any muslim extremist attacks in their countries, so their attitude, much like the US before 9/11 is that it is not their problem. I think that is another contributing factor in their unfortunate attitudes and WHEN, not IF, they are attacked then I think they will see the error of their ways.

On the other side of the coin I think that this war on terror and the alck of support from MOST traditional Allies will make many more Americans, I know it has me, take notice of things happening around the world. Not just the end result, but why something happened and more knowledge about the cultures of these countries that were traditionally unimportant to the point where most could not pick them out on a map.