Hawaii gets persistent requests for Obama birth certificate

[Ordie]

Hawaii gets persistent requests for Obama birth certificate
State DOH still gets up to 50 requests a month for certificate

By Dan Nakaso
Advertiser Staff Writer

More than a year after his historic election, requests for President Obama's birth certificate continue to pour into the state's understaffed Health Department from people on the Mainland who refuse to believe he was born in Honolulu in 1961.


In an attempt to stem the flow of requests, the agency recently set up a special page on its Web site devoted to the issue of Obama's birth certificate and who is eligible to get the records.

But the requests for the president's birth certificate keeping coming at a rate of 40 to 50 a month, according to Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, who has been handling the requests since Obama became a serious presidential candidate in 2008.

"They're spurred on by these 'birther' blogs who direct them to bombard the Health Department even though they have no legitimate right to the information," Okubo said.

"They've been misled to believe that the state of Hawai'i gives out birth information to anyone who requests it, but really our law protects birth information. We're entrusted with protecting people's vital records. To open them up would mean opening them up to identity theft and other types of concerns."

State law allows birth certificates to be issued to family members, legal guard- ians, representatives of a person's estate, or by court order or other legal purposes.

Okubo said those who have been requesting Obama's birth certificate don't meet the legal standards.

HYPOCRISY CLAIMS

Rick Newbold, a defense contractor from North Carolina now working in Iraq, asked the Health Department and the White House for Obama's birth records, in part, because Newbold believes it's "hypocritical of the president to proclaim that his administration is transparent when it obviously is not," he wrote in an e-mail to The Advertiser.

"My interest in discovering and defending the truth about our chief executive is to maintain the integrity of the office of the president and to protect our republic from subversion, especially from foreign powers. America is in decline as a result of the globalist mindset and monied interests who seek to destroy America and integrate it into a global system of governance and taxation."

The continuing issue over Obama's birthplace — and, therefore, his eligibility to serve as president of the United States — has led state Sen. Will Espero, D-20th, ('Ewa Beach, Waipahu) to introduce two bills this session on different sides of the issue.

Senate Bill 2056 would open up Hawai'i birth records under strict conditions to people who currently have no legitimate right to see them. Senate Bill 2937 would allow state agencies to label people who persistently "abuse" the public information process as "vexatious requestors," which would allow state officials to deny their requests for documents.

Espero does not necessarily believe that everyone should see birth certificates that are now restricted, but said he wrote the bills to trigger legislative hearings to discuss the issue.

"It's all because of the noise about the president not being born here," Espero said.

"I believe he's born here. Most of Hawai'i believes he's born here and it's not an issue here as it is with these Mainland birthers. It probably would not end all of the controversy because I believe the people that are these birthers have some other motives. Whatever you say or provide to these people, they will not be happy with anything."

State Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino — a Republican — tried to put the issue of Obama's Honolulu birth to rest back in 2008 by declaring that she and Hawai'i's registrar of vital statistics had personally seen Obama's birth certificate.

"This has gotten ridiculous," Fukino told The Advertiser at the time. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy. ... We need to get some work done."

SHRINKING STAFF

The Health Department's vital records division deals with about 1,000 new birth, death and marriage records every week, even as staffers are required to take two mandatory unpaid furlough days off each month. Four people in the office also recently lost their jobs because of budget cuts.

So the task of responding to requests for Obama's birth certificate has fallen to Okubo, who until January had been spending 10-hour days primarily dealing with the H1N1 "swine flu" pandemic.

"I'm getting 40 to 50 requests every month for President Obama's birth certificate, all of them from the Mainland — Arizona, South Carolina, Florida," Okubo said. "None are from Hawai'i."

Attorney Jeff Portnoy, who represents The Advertiser, has made a career out of fighting for public access to government records and believes that county and state officials need to be more open about what they do.

"On paper, the present state laws regarding access are very impressive, both philosophically and technically, in talking about that in a democracy, the public should have access to the workings of government," Portnoy said. "Practically, the interpretation of those laws leaves a lot to be desired."

The reality, Portnoy said, is that "Hawai'i has a significant reputation as being a hostile place to obtain records and access and, frankly, a history of executive and legislative leaders who have been fairly hostile, either through their attorney general or corporation counsels or the bureaucracy itself."

Portnoy understands the desire among some people to see Obama's birth records, but he does not put their requests in the same category as seeking openness to government dealings, such as details of public works projects or private meetings among officials to decide who will chair city councils, commissions and boards.

"That's the people's business," Portnoy said. "We've never brought an action to get somebody's Social Security number and there are legitimate reasons to keep birth records private. Identity theft is a legitimate, serious issue."

FOLLOW-UP REQUESTS

The majority of the people who e-mail or send letters to Okubo asking for Obama's birth certificate do not challenge her response once she tells them they have no legal right to the information, she said.

But about a dozen people continue to hammer Okubo with follow-up requests.

"They want all of the organizational charts for our Office of Health Status Monitoring that handles vital records and for our health informations systems, our IT office," Okubo said. "They request from me every single communication or every single document or request every record available related to President Obama's vital records."

Okubo readily acknowledges that she hasn't always been able to reply to a request within 10 working days as required under Hawai'i's Uniform Information Practices Act, the state's version of the federal Freedom of Information Act.

But she adamantly disagrees with the "birthers' " interpretation of Hawai'i law.

"They usually say that by not giving out his birth certificate we're breaking the law," Okubo said.

"But we would be breaking the law by giving out a birth certificate to someone who does not have a right to it."

When Okubo told one writer they did not have a right to Obama's birth certificate because they were not related to the president, the person wrote back saying they, indeed, had a common ancestor.

"They said they have a tangible right to his birth certificate because they're descended from Adam," Okubo said, referring to the biblical figure. "We told them they need to provide some type of legal documentation."

Source:http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100219/NEWS01/2190362&source=rss_localnews

[pocoloco]

Pitiful people, don't they have something better to do with their lives than making those requests.

[0rphie]

would not it be just easier for the POTUS to publicly demonstrate his birth certificate? it would certainly score him political points.

[Sven Dufva]

would not it be just easier for the POTUS to publicly demonstrate his birth certificate? it would certainly score him political points.
I belive he already did.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

[Mastermind]

This controversy will plague his term...all he has to do is publish his BC...but, he can not. There is a reason he went abroad on a Maylasian visa and there is a reason he went to US college on a foreign student basis...this man is not a natural born US citizen. Ridicule the so-called "Birthers" all you want...every natural born US citizen has no problem showing a BC...Obama has a very serious problem ...he can not show his becasue he does not have one...he was born in Kenya...that's all there is to it.

Does it matter? No! That's an emphatic NO...because after he was fraudulently elected due to his fraudulent credentials, there is not one GDmned thing that can be done about it.

So, they should just get over it.

But, that does not let him off the hook for a legitimate BC....the nation will probably be much more alert about this critical aspect next time a foreigner runs in an election for POTUS.

[JKD]

This controversy will plague his term...all he has to do is publish his BC...but, he can not. There is a reason he went abroad on a Maylasian visa and there is a reason he went to US college on a foreign student basis...this man is not a natural born US citizen. Ridicule the so-called "Birthers" all you want...every natural born US citizen has no problem showing a BC...Obama has a very serious problem ...he can not show his becasue he does not have one...he was born in Kenya...that's all there is to it.

Does it matter? No! That's an emphatic NO...because after he was fraudulently elected due to his fraudulent credentials, there is not one GDmned thing that can be done about it.

So, they should just get over it.

But, that does not let him off the hook for a legitimate BC....the nation will probably be much more alert about this critical aspect next time a foreigner runs in an election for POTUS.

Here you go:
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

[Kit]

But, that does not let him off the hook for a legitimate BC....the nation will probably be much more alert about this critical aspect next time a foreigner runs in an election for POTUS.

I don't like Obama, but I have a real hard time calling him a foreigner.

[Wimbly]

I don't buy in to any of it, but what do you expect after the main streaming of 9/11 troofer conspiracies? A pretty large percentage of Democrats (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance) believe Bush was either behind it, or let it happen. Its payback time.

[kimujnr]

This controversy will plague his term...all he has to do is publish his BC...but, he can not. There is a reason he went abroad on a Maylasian visa and there is a reason he went to US college on a foreign student basis...this man is not a natural born US citizen. Ridicule the so-called "Birthers" all you want...every natural born US citizen has no problem showing a BC...Obama has a very serious problem ...he can not show his becasue he does not have one...he was born in Kenya...that's all there is to it.

Does it matter? No! That's an emphatic NO...because after he was fraudulently elected due to his fraudulent credentials, there is not one GDmned thing that can be done about it.

So, they should just get over it.

But, that does not let him off the hook for a legitimate BC....the nation will probably be much more alert about this critical aspect next time a foreigner runs in an election for POTUS.

I don't know whether your post is a parody and hence I should restrict putting on my 5 gal tin foil hat or its serious and I should commence.

Though i agree with Wimbly its no different than the 9/11 kooks. If Obama presents his BC to these morons its like he's been defeated, like he stooped to their level and said "look look here it is I'm a real President, I have time for your fringe conspiracies which i consider a weighty matter amidst all my Presidential prerogatives and fear you!"

[muttbutt]

I don't know whether your post is a parody and hence I should restrict putting on my 5 gal tin foil hat or its serious and I should commence.

Though i agree with Wimbly its no different than the 9/11 kooks. If Obama presents his BC to these morons its like he's been defeated, like he stooped to their level and said "look look here it is I'm a real President, I have time for your fringe conspiracies which i consider a weighty matter amidst all my Presidential prerogatives and fear you!"Or they'll just say it's a fake....if you can fake* airplanes hitting towers a piece of paper is a piece of piss.


*to the conspiracy minded folk out there.

[muttbutt]

This controversy will plague his term...all he has to do is publish his BC...but, he can not. There is a reason he went abroad on a Maylasian visa and there is a reason he went to US college on a foreign student basis...this man is not a natural born US citizen. Ridicule the so-called "Birthers" all you want...every natural born US citizen has no problem showing a BC...Obama has a very serious problem ...he can not show his becasue he does not have one...he was born in Kenya...that's all there is to it.

Does it matter? No! That's an emphatic NO...because after he was fraudulently elected due to his fraudulent credentials, there is not one GDmned thing that can be done about it.

So, they should just get over it.

But, that does not let him off the hook for a legitimate BC....the nation will probably be much more alert about this critical aspect next time a foreigner runs in an election for POTUS.
If he was a foreigner, and there was even a hint of it, wouldn't the Republicans have cut his run off at legs.....I'm sure there is some more solid evidence out there.
Jesus if they could hang Nixon in the 70's what kind of paper trail would a fake US citizen leave now?

[FlintHillBilly]

It does not surprise me that people still want to see it or actual proof of it.

All is done. There is not taking him back even if it shows up to be fake down the road. Im not convinced of the BC's i have seen. Nothing i can do.

I still think theres many loop holes and easy ways to get by or in if you really wanted to. I mean who really does check if an upcoming POTUS has a BC? Their own party members? A third party? I don't think anybody really. Just my two cents.

[FlintHillBilly]

If he was a foreigner, and there was even a hint of it, wouldn't the Republicans have cut his run off at legs.....I'm sure there is some more solid evidence out there.
Jesus if they could hang Nixon in the 70's what kind of paper trail would a fake US citizen leave now?

I wondered the same thing. Im sure Palin and Mccain had some sort of idea, or atleast listened to what the people said. I think they did not mention anything of it was because they did not want to ruin their image more? Be labeled as crazy?

[gaijinsamurai]

I don't buy in to any of it, but what do you expect after the main streaming of 9/11 troofer conspiracies? A pretty large percentage of Democrats (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance) believe Bush was either behind it, or let it happen. Its payback time.

So, you admit that this is just a means to harrass Obama, in retaliation for what left-wing conspiracy nuts thought of Bush?

[Policía Loco]

Was his mom a citizen? If so, he would be one right? Regardless of where he was born.

[gaijinsamurai]

Yes. Even if you are born in another country, you are automatically a US citizen if at least one of your parents is one.

[kimujnr]

I believe O'Reilly reported that Fox had investigated the matter themselves and found no evidence that he was an illegal, and I was listening to Beck last year when it was really hot and he was like "guys lets give this a break okay its just crazy."
Conclusion: there is no swaying them, I think they take solace in the belief that he's not legit, and having to admit it would kill them.

[Hollis]

It seems some folks must have plenty of times on their hands. I think I would worry more about the economy, and a number of other real problems before I would invest some time here.

[HK in AK]

I see Obama and think of the book, "the manchurian candidate".

[budgie]

I don't buy in to any of it, but what do you expect after the main streaming of 9/11 troofer conspiracies? A pretty large percentage of Democrats (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance) believe Bush was either behind it, or let it happen. Its payback time.


Sad but I tend to agree. I met one clown back in NZ who insisted the pentagon crash site was a set up because there was no debris at the site. What do you mean no debris? We all saw the pics, the place was a mess. But I guess he chose to believe some blogger's assertion that they were faked or whatever. In other words the 'truthers' created their own evidence to support their 'theory'.

This demonstrates a kind of egoism in conspiracy theories - this superior feeling that "I know the truth while all you sheeple are blinded." It serves those who are otherwise marginalized: depressives, the bipolar, losers, bums and failures in life; giving them a mild sense of achievement - that they've uncovered a vast government plot.

There are no doubt more than a few among the 'birthers' too. However I still think that the vast majority of 'birthers' are not nearly as sincere as yourt run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist. I suspect they are just getting some payback for the 'truthers'. The constant 'requests' for 'proof' simply serve to keep the 'debate' open. I don't believe they're serious about it, but it's a handy tool for undermining the President.


It does not surprise me that people still want to see it or actual proof of it.

All is done. There is not taking him back even if it shows up to be fake down the road. Im not convinced of the BC's i have seen. Nothing i can do.

I still think theres many loop holes and easy ways to get by or in if you really wanted to. I mean who really does check if an upcoming POTUS has a BC? Their own party members? A third party? I don't think anybody really. Just my two cents.


I wondered the same thing. Im sure Palin and Mccain had some sort of idea, or atleast listened to what the people said. I think they did not mention anything of it was because they did not want to ruin their image more? Be labeled as crazy?

This looks like a bad case of denial to me - an example of those n the fringe who simply refuse to accept any form of birth certificate they see. The excuse that Palin/McCain were too scared to 'out' him is just pitiful. I'm sorry to belittle the argument bro, but this is exactly the kind of desperation we see from the 'truthers'. Despite all the evidence out there they choose to believe the interwebz instead.

[skyeye]

Does it matter? No! That's an emphatic NO...because after he was fraudulently elected due to his fraudulent credentials, there is not one GDmned thing that can be done about it.

I think the Congress would have an obligation to impeach if solid evidence were presented. Granted, it would be a traumatic event, but remember the Slick Willy and Nixon debacles, but the Union survived.

[seraosha]

"In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

-Hillary Clinton, speaking to a town hall in Abuja, Nigeria 2008 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8314204&page=1)

Want to compare idiocy? I'll see your tinfoil hats and raise you a Sec of State.

[kimujnr]

"In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

-Hillary Clinton, speaking to a town hall in Abuja, Nigeria 2008 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8314204&page=1)

Want to compare idiocy? I'll see your tinfoil hats and raise you a Sec of State.

I haven't seen you this fired up politically since your ancestors passed the peace pipe amongst each other! :)

but... I must concur with your post my friend!

[skyrock]

If I were Obama, I won't show the BC now, I will watch the clowns jump around and see how low they can go. When finally the big guys of R can't help joining the crowd, that is the time I say:"Here it is, folks:)"


This controversy will plague his term...all he has to do is publish his BC...but, he can not. There is a reason he went abroad on a Maylasian visa and there is a reason he went to US college on a foreign student basis...this man is not a natural born US citizen. Ridicule the so-called "Birthers" all you want...every natural born US citizen has no problem showing a BC...Obama has a very serious problem ...he can not show his becasue he does not have one...he was born in Kenya...that's all there is to it.

Does it matter? No! That's an emphatic NO...because after he was fraudulently elected due to his fraudulent credentials, there is not one GDmned thing that can be done about it.

So, they should just get over it.

But, that does not let him off the hook for a legitimate BC....the nation will probably be much more alert about this critical aspect next time a foreigner runs in an election for POTUS.

[Ordie]

Yes. Even if you are born in another country, you are automatically a US citizen if at least one of your parents is one.

John McCain was born in Panama.

[HK in AK]

I think the issue that some of the people have is that under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution it states: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States." Under definition, a natural born citizen is that special legal term of art was codified by Vattel in his legal treatise The Law of Nations in 1758 in which he said that ... "a natural born citizen is a person born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country." I think that is where the argument comes from.

[BearInBunnySuit]

"In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

-Hillary Clinton, speaking to a town hall in Abuja, Nigeria 2008 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8314204&page=1)

Want to compare idiocy? I'll see your tinfoil hats and raise you a Sec of State.

I don't know how you can be the Sec. of State--someone ostensibly representing the best of interests of your country--and think it's OK to resort to partisan mud-slinging and denigrate the U.S. like that.

[deagle]

don't those idiots know that citizenship is a pre-requisite ? thats prob the one thing the govt can do well, and its verified. i'd like to see if birthers have their birth certificates on them to produce upon demand.

[CG51]

Was his mom a citizen? If so, he would be one right? Regardless of where he was born.

Jus sanguinis

[Policía Loco]

I think the issue that some of the people have is that under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution it states: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States." Under definition, a natural born citizen is that special legal term of art was codified by Vattel in his legal treatise The Law of Nations in 1758 in which he said that ... "a natural born citizen is a person born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country." I think that is where the argument comes from.


The problem would be settled if our constitution (or maybe a court case?) would define "citizen" and "natural born citizen" itself, which I don't think it does. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. Where's Hank the lawyer when you need him?

[Connaught Ranger]

A Fee of $5,000 dollars to accompany each application

(unrefundable for those found to be illegible) for a copy of the Birth Cert and other documents

would soon stop this s h i t e.

[Ordie]

A Fee of $5,000 dollars to accompany each application

(unrefubdable for those found to be illegible) for a copy of the Birth Cert and other documents

would soon stop this s h i t e.

That will not stop identity theft.

[Connaught Ranger]

That will not stop identity theft.

No, but it would cut down the requests wan k ers are sending applications to the Health Department in Hawai for President Obama birth certificate and related details.woot

[LineDoggie]

John McCain was born in Panama. Yes he was , In a US Navy Hospital, on a US Navy Air Station in the US Controlled Canal Zone to 2 US Citizens.....

[Atlantic Friend]

I can't believe people are still flogging that dead horse.

[budgie]

Nobody's questioning McCain's citizenship - that was just smarmy tit-for-tat during the campaign. Also because he's Republican, don't kid yourselves.

[Atlantic Friend]

The natural-born argument would therefore exclude from any right to run for President children of diplomatic personnel and other experts born from US parents in the nation their parents work in?

[Ordie]

The natural-born argument would therefore exclude from any right to run for President children of diplomatic personnel and other experts born from US parents in the nation their parents work in?

It was to exclude those who were born by caesarian section from the presidency.

[Atlantic Friend]

It was to exclude those who were born by caesarian section from the presidency.

I've seen Democrat activists going ape**** over Bush's victory in 2000, and Republican activists going equally ape**** over Obama's victory in 2009. The arguments used in both cases were appalling in every respect, stooping to gutter level and mud-slinging being praised as the most exalted form of patriotism or the most selfless concern for American democracy. Obama's birth certificate, Bush's Air Reserve evaluation reports, Obama branded as a Muslim terrorist and Bush as a Skulls and Bones Fascist. I gotta say, if there wasn't this much trouble brewing across the world, from global terrorism to global economic crisis, the rest of the world would just turn on the TV and watch mesmerized the bloody arena that is American politics.

Honestly, it is a real mystery to me. How can you have this truly successful democratic system, comforted by this truly successful economy, this truly free society, and still get so bitter every four years because the political system worked as designed?

[seraosha]

Honestly, it is a real mystery to me. How can you have this truly successful democratic system, comforted by this truly successful economy, this truly free society, and still get so bitter every four years because the political system worked as designed?

Lowest Common Denominator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_common_denominator)

[Connaught Ranger]

Personally it bugs me more that we elected someone with a slut of a mother and someone with zero experience for the task at hand rather than someone who is not a citizen (even if this was true).

Obama has a lot more issues people should have been focusing on rather than his birth certificate. IN any event it is water under the bridge, what is done is done.

Reported for that particular comment in bold above. :bash:

[Atlantic Friend]

Lowest Common Denominator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_common_denominator)

Now I know why I always sucked at maths. I would have thought the lowest common denominator would be "Hey, we're all citizens of that great thriving democracy after all!".

[SoftLion]

I've seen Democrat activists going ape**** over Bush's victory in 2000, and Republican activists going equally ape**** over Obama's victory in 2009. The arguments used in both cases were appalling in every respect, stooping to gutter level and mud-slinging being praised as the most exalted form of patriotism or the most selfless concern for American democracy. Obama's birth certificate, Bush's Air Reserve evaluation reports, Obama branded as a Muslim terrorist and Bush as a Skulls and Bones Fascist.

So much in politics today is governed by a "for us or against us" mindset: Republican vs Democrat. In the end, the greater good of the nation as a whole takes a backseat to perceived short-term victories for one agenda or the other. It literally takes a damn war to unite this "melting pot" into anything resembling a unified, patriotic society whose priority list has the collective best interests of the country at the top.

[Jobu]

So much in politics today is governed by a "for us or against us" mindset: Republican vs Democrat. In the end, the greater good of the nation as a whole takes a backseat to perceived short-term victories for one agenda or the other. It literally takes a damn war to unite this "melting pot" into anything resembling a unified, patriotic society whose priority list has the collective best interests of the country at the top.

Good. I like it this way.
The worst possible thing would be for everyone to agree. That means all dissenters would have been killed off or "re-educated."

[JKD]

Good. I like it this way.
The worst possible thing would be for everyone to agree. That means all dissenters would have been killed off or "re-educated."

I don't think anyone wants to see everyone of like mind but do want to see them come out of the trenches. This all or nothing mentality that has really become ****ounced lately is getting the country nowhere. Both sides need to re-learn to give and take a little.

[Jobu]

I don't think anyone wants to see everyone of like mind but do want to see them come out of the trenches. This all or nothing mentality that has really become ****ounced lately is getting the country nowhere. Both sides need to re-learn to give and take a little.

I still prefer governmental gridlock.

That government is best which governs least.

[Breerman]

If I were Obama I would just bring out the original bc and kill off this movement.

[ssalb]

Reported for that particular comment in bold above. :bash:


Of course you would Ranger. We both might have different opinions on what constitutes a slut, but I am willing to hear what you call a woman that sleeps sleeps around, abandons her kids and leaves them for her parents to raise. Personally that is not a family whose members I would want as chief of state. But maybe that is just me.

[kimujnr]

If I were Obama I would just bring out the original bc and kill off this movement.

The "movement" had its moment last summer but now their nothing but a small splinter on his foot, he should not appease them by validating their stupidity with confronting the topic. Of all the serious issues he has to contend with like the Dem's poll numbers, healthcare, A-stan, the economy where do the likes of Orly Tates rank on the totem poll?

[kimujnr]

Of course you would Ranger. We both might have different opinions on what constitutes a slut, but I am willing to hear what you call a woman that sleeps sleeps around, abandons her kids and leaves them for her parents to raise. Personally that is not a family whose members I would want as chief of state. But maybe that is just me.

Even though I respect that that is your opinion I still cant help but find it shallow and unrealistic. Why aren't his grandparents in your argument since they are the one's who raised him to adulthood, and from what I've seen thus far he hasn't pulled a Tiger Woods on his family(yet, as I assume that will be your retort). And I find it hard to believe that every President before Obama came from a peachy family.

[Mastermind]

What? You must ask...Why not present his BC? It is easy, it would completely stop the controversy, it is not difficult for any American to show...yet, for some strange reason, he can't....now that is just feeding the fire...mainly because, it is just an easy thing to do. It only breeds more and more questions when even his crony the Gov of Hawaii takes extraordinary measures to ensure the "BC" is forever locked up and protected from 'prying eyes"...Why? That has never been the case for anyone....why for Obama?

As I said...it does not matter anymore, now...It's too damn late...he has been elected. Congress had to actually pass a resolution accepting Obama as President in spite of his lack of proof ow where he was born to protect him from court cases that have a damn good chance of exposing this fraud and embarrassing the election comish.

yeah...so what if a foreigner managed to bamboozel his way into the WH? Like, why close the barn doors after the cows got out?

Oh...and by the way, I don't scare off being called a "tin foil" hat guy or a nut or what ever...this is a real issue and it really should be faced. People should try to quit the foot stamping tactics....just shows how weak the argument is on the other side.

[Breerman]

The "movement" had its moment last summer but now their nothing but a small splinter on his foot, he should not appease them by validating their stupidity with confronting the topic. Of all the serious issues he has to contend with like the Dem's poll numbers, healthcare, A-stan, the economy where do the likes of Orly Tates rank on the totem poll?
I don't think they're right in this case, but it's a very reasonable request for anyone, let alone the person who hold's highest office in the country. If you fight tooth and nail to hide something from the public it itself becomes a problem.