I think I will stop like Canada!

[LeMat]

In our press and TV it was said that in canadian CTV television they said "POLISH CONCENTRATIONAL CAMPS" in news about NAZIS CAMPS during WWII.
CTV TV don`t want to apoligize Poland for that. Canadian ambassador was called to our foreign ministry.
In our country it is a crime so called "Oswiecim`s lie" (if you negate that Germans were murdering Jews during WWII you can be lock in prison).
Also Jews are very disgusted. Our TV showed old Jew from Israel who was locked in nazis camp. He was almost crying and he called it "horrible iniquity".
I don`t know what kind of TV is CTV. I hope that it is some stupid TV station for mentally disabled people.
:fork:

[packetloss]

Im confused about the issue here. Poland was full of concentration camps. Are you saying CTV said they were polish operated, or polish located? Maybe you're just upset abou tthe exposee they did about the working conditions in the submarine-screen-door factory, and the solar powered flashlighgt factory? :)

[LeMat]

Im confused about the issue here. Poland was full of concentration camps. Are you saying CTV said they were polish operated, or polish located?

They told "polish camps" not "camps located in Poland" or "german camps located in Poland".

[packetloss]

Uh, camps that were located in poland, were polish camps. If i take a vacation at a mexican club med, its still a MEXICAN CLUB MED - Although, we all know, that mexicans dont own/operate club med, dont we? 'Polish camp' is a geographical title. Dont let your lack of experience with the english language mislead you. Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.

[BlueShark]

THe TV is bad,but the country may be good.
You just see a tree and ignore the whole forest, i think. :lol:

[Moledet]

Do you know what's the best hotel in Palestine? Club dead.
Do you know how a Palestinian man that runs slowly is called? Rubber man :lol:

[szr]

Uh, camps that were located in poland, were polish camps. If i take a vacation at a mexican club med, its still a MEXICAN CLUB MED - Although, we all know, that mexicans dont own/operate club med, dont we? 'Polish camp' is a geographical title. Dont let your lack of experience with the english language mislead you. Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.

Most people would have said "A Nazi camp in Poland"

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.

Huh?
No offence, but Polish land didn't saw a single Canadian soldier during WWII, so how could you liberate us?
It's like saying that Poland liberated Okinawa or other Marshall Islands only because we were one of the Allies.

[mack pl]

Boys, its only fukin TV :roll: I hope Canucks are smart guys, and they know that it was no POLISH CAMPS, only Camps in Poland...

regards

[Alphabet76]

Im confused about the issue here. Poland was full of concentration camps. Are you saying CTV said they were polish operated, or polish located? Maybe you're just upset abou tthe exposee they did about the working conditions in the submarine-screen-door factory, and the solar powered flashlighgt factory? :)
The most stupid first post ever. Congratulations. BTW: How old are you?


Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.
:cantbeli: When?

[caleb]

Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.
:cantbeli: When?


I think he means that they took part in the effort to liberate Europe from the Nazis, so indirectly they also helped to liberate poland. Even though it was later under soviet influence.

[LeMat]

Uh, camps that were located in poland, were polish camps. If i take a vacation at a mexican club med, its still a MEXICAN CLUB MED - Although, we all know, that mexicans dont own/operate club med, dont we? 'Polish camp' is a geographical title.

So...
If I write "russian city of Moscow" that means "city in Russia rules by nazis"? I think that means "russian city in Russia rules by Russians with Russians inside". Don`t you think?



Dont let your lack of experience with the english language mislead you.


So my foreign ministry is also missleaded by "lack of experience with the english language"?



Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.

When?
Is it some kind of alternative history? Canadians have landed near Gdansk in 1943 and liberated Poland??

[EvanL]

Every news organization gets stuff wrong. Its just sad that it had to be something of such a serious subject.
About Canada liberating POland, Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.
That poster hasnt posted much of nything so dont mind him. He doesnt speak for Canadians.

[cut]

packetloss stop digging a hole for yourself. LeMat don't get too focused on one issue, poland and canada are very much alike, I doubt very much something like this will be left to fester.

[Spleen]

The context is extremely important here. If the report was clearly about Nazi concentration camps, then in that context calling the ones in Poland "Polish concentration camps" makes perfect sense. If the concentration camps were brought up in the absence of any context, then calling them "Polish concentration camps" could be construed as misleading. Can you give us more information about the context?

[Alphabet76]

Boys, its only fukin TV :roll: I hope Canucks are smart guys, and they know that it was no POLISH CAMPS, only Camps in Poland...

regards

That's not only about idiots in canadian TV. When a lie is repeated many times, over and over people start to believe...


Davies, whose two-volume history of Poland, God's Playground, is now a standard text in Polish schools, must be very disturbed by how little the West knows about Polish history. I had a chance to taste this ignorance when lecturing recently in an Oakland high school. I was told by one history teacher that Gross's account of Jedwabne had revealed nothing new. She had always known that Poles killed Jews - after all the Holocaust did happen in Poland. The audience agreed. Another teacher mentioned those 'famous' newsreel clips of American troops forcing Polish citizens to tour concentration camps after the war - in order to witness the fruits of their complicity.

The distance of such views from historical reality is stunning, because Nazi rule in Poland was not subtle. The point was to strip the country of resources, leaving only enough to secure the Poles' 'naked physical existence'. Poles came to be seen as subhuman, not because Nazi racial ideology demanded it, but because the Poles were the first to defy Hitler. Unlike Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, Croats and Soviets, Poles had refused offers of military co-operation. Hence the ferocity of the Nazi assault on Poland in September 1939. Like no other people save the Jews, the Poles had provoked Hitler's hatred. After subduing Polish resistance with a campaign that made no distinction between soldier and civilian, his regime subjected the unco-operative population to random terror.

Taken from a review (http://www.lrb.co.uk/v26/n12/conn01_.html) of "Rising 44".

[Alphabet76]

Every news organization gets stuff wrong. Its just sad that it had to be something of such a serious subject.
About Canada liberating POland, Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.
That poster hasnt posted much of nything so dont mind him. He doesnt speak for Canadians.

If it is true I will give you a 100$. Now show us a source, please.

[mack pl]

Every news organization gets stuff wrong. Its just sad that it had to be something of such a serious subject.
About Canada liberating POland, Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.
That poster hasnt posted much of nything so dont mind him. He doesnt speak for Canadians.

If it is true I will give you a 100$. Now show us a source, please.
Hmmm, interesting, Im history student and Ive never heard about that...but maybe Im wrong..... :roll: .....IMO its not true... :|


PS. you are right Alfabet about reapeting lies...

:|

[EvanL]

You guys seem to have an anti Canada agenda in this thread. Considering Canada is home to over 5million poles. Especially since WW2 you guys shouldnt be so pissed about this. After all the US media has had many more slip ups like this in the past.
Im sure there sorry for it. Its not a Canada problem. Its a media problem.

[packetloss]

Im confused about the issue here. Poland was full of concentration camps. Are you saying CTV said they were polish operated, or polish located? Maybe you're just upset abou tthe exposee they did about the working conditions in the submarine-screen-door factory, and the solar powered flashlighgt factory? :)
The most stupid first post ever. Congratulations. BTW: How old are you?


Canada is one of the countries that liberated you.
:cantbeli: When?

I was being facetious, tounge-in-cheek, going for some light heeartedness. RELAX. (Did you miss that big smiley?!)

I didnt mean canadian set foot onto your lovely soil, only that the fought and died fighting those same bastards who raped and pillaged your country.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

You guys seem to have an anti Canada agenda in this thread. Considering Canada is home to over 5million poles. Especially since WW2 you guys shouldnt be so pissed about this. After all the US media has had many more slip ups like this in the past.
Im sure there sorry for it. Its not a Canada problem. Its a media problem.

Well, dunno about the rest, but I'm not pissed at Canadians.
I'm only angry at the author of the programme, who made a mistake, and despite the reactions of our embassy and Poles living in Canada, refused to revise it.
And we really arent anti-Canadian ;)


Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.

Just look at the map and you'll see that's impossible...

[mack pl]

You guys seem to have an anti Canada agenda in this thread. Considering Canada is home to over 5million poles. Especially since WW2 you guys shouldnt be so pissed about this. After all the US media has had many more slip ups like this in the past.
Im sure there sorry for it. Its not a Canada problem. Its a media problem.

Well, dunno about the rest, but I'm not pissed at Canadians.
I'm only angry at the author of the programme, who made a mistake, and despite the reactions of our embassy and Poles living in Canada, refused to revise it.
And we really arent anti-Canadian ;)


Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.

Just look at the map and you'll see that's impossible...

I agree with Brzeczyszczykiewicz :) 100% :)

Regards Canucks....but your TV sucks anyway :lol:

[EvanL]

You guys seem to have an anti Canada agenda in this thread. Considering Canada is home to over 5million poles. Especially since WW2 you guys shouldnt be so pissed about this. After all the US media has had many more slip ups like this in the past.
Im sure there sorry for it. Its not a Canada problem. Its a media problem.

Well, dunno about the rest, but I'm not pissed at Canadians.
I'm only angry at the author of the programme, who made a mistake, and despite the reactions of our embassy and Poles living in Canada, refused to revise it.
And we really arent anti-Canadian ;)


Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.

Just look at the map and you'll see that's impossible...

I agree with Brzeczyszczykiewicz :) 100% :)

Regards Canucks....but your TV sucks anyway :lol:
I would like you to revise your statement.
;)
Atleast we have more than 4channels. :petting:
p-)

[Alphabet76]

Im confused about the issue here. Poland was full of concentration camps. Are you saying CTV said they were polish operated, or polish located? Maybe you're just upset abou tthe exposee they did about the working conditions in the submarine-screen-door factory, and the solar powered flashlighgt factory? :)
The most stupid first post ever. Congratulations. BTW: How old are you?

I was being facetious, tounge-in-cheek, going for some light heeartedness. RELAX. (Did you miss that big smiley?!)

Still, it wasn't the best way to introduce yourself. Don't you think?



You guys seem to have an anti Canada agenda in this thread. Considering Canada is home to over 5million poles. Especially since WW2 you guys shouldnt be so pissed about this. After all the US media has had many more slip ups like this in the past.
Im sure there sorry for it. Its not a Canada problem. Its a media problem.

Well, dunno about the rest, but I'm not pissed at Canadians.
I'm only angry at the author of the programme, who made a mistake, and despite the reactions of our embassy and Poles living in Canada, refused to revise it.
And we really arent anti-Canadian ;)
x2 ;)



Canadian ParaTroops did take part in the liberation of a concentration camp, in Poland.

Just look at the map and you'll see that's impossible...

Technicaly speaking one could imagine a scenario in which it happend eg.:
"RAF plane (with canadian crew) dropping supplies for the Warsaw Uprising was shot down; some of the crew members survived by jumping with parachutes and after landing they joined the "Zośka" battalion and took part in liberation of the "Gęsiówka" concentration camp..."
it just didn't happen (up to my knowledge).

[LeMat]

And we really arent anti-Canadian ;)


Of course that we aren`t. But accidents like this one are very unpleasant. Poles are really nervous about "polish camps". Mostly because the are so frequent. Also because our ancestors were killing in these camps.
Personally I like Canada. I think that when I will be old I will move there to spend rest of my life in small hut in quiet canadian forrest.

[Durandal]

What I find disturbing, actually, is this part...


In our country it is a crime so called "Oswiecim`s lie" (if you negate that Germans were murdering Jews during WWII you can be lock in prison).

Care to elaborate?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

What I find disturbing, actually, is this part...


In our country it is a crime so called "Oswiecim`s lie" (if you negate that Germans were murdering Jews during WWII you can be lock in prison).

Care to elaborate?

Oswiecim= Auschwitz
In Poland denying the existance of Holocaust (as a German 'activity') is a crime. And the guy in Canadian TV said about Polish concentration camps.
Our lawyers are analyzing the Canadian law and if they found something similar they may prosecute him.

[Pille1234]

Our lawyers are analyzing the Canadian law and if they found something similar they may prosecute him.
rofl good luck!

[Durandal]

Our lawyers are analyzing the Canadian law and if they found something similar they may prosecute him.

You guys are f*cking nuts.

Maybe the Canadian was right.

So much for freedom of speech.

[pAt]

wow someone ****ed up u dont need to sue them over something really stupid and maybe if ur country didnt have those camps at all than this wouldnt be happening

[mack pl]

:cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

no comment

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Yeah, of course, we built those camps, we murdered Jews, Russians, even ourselves, and Hitler was a Pole!

Damn, what a hysteria.
Don't worry, that isn't a no.1 news in Poland, 99% of Poles don't care and have bigger problems than some guy in Canadian TV :roll:

[Herrmannek]

BUt when I hear from random people mouths "polish camps" my blood boils... that phrase is so often repeated, that 90 percent of people outside Poland realy believe that those camps where lead by Poles, just ask random people and you will know even those who supousdly should know mutch about that(Jews for example, there was documentary showed in our TV that lead to small flame war here :) )...

[DANJANOU]

Is there a rule that some people have to check their brians and common sense at the door before posting here?

Re the original topic here. It's sounds like a slight error in interpretation probably by an unfortunate choice in wording. Even out esteemed 5th estate can (usually) take their head out of their ass long enough to know who set up and operated the death camps in Nazi occupied Poland (and elsewhere).

Re Canadians liberating Poland. Nope not in any report, book, war diary, etc. I've ever seen. For the record the 1st Canadian Parachute Bn, which was part of the 6th British Airborne Div did move farther east than any other allied unit by VE day ending up on the Baltic coast of Germany, but they never made it as far as Poland.

The closest the Canadian Army got to being involved with the Poles on any large scale was having a Polish Armoured Divisiona attached to 2nd Canadian Corp at Falaise in Normandy and later 1st Canadian Army during the fighting to liberate Holland.

As to the post that some 5 million people of Polish descent live and or reside in Canada, care to show some evidence of that. While there is a large, established and very proud Polish heritage in this country I don't think they make up 15-20% of our population.

[Herrmannek]

I think that if we count Canada as another state of USA I think 5 milions is right...

[Lone Predator]

Some of my family came from Poland early this century to Canada

Some of my family join the Canadian Army as soon as Poland was invaded by Germany.

As far as I know no Canadian troops made it to Poland but it doesn't mean when your country was invaded millions of Canadians didn't join to go in die in Europe, the Atlantic, the Pacific, Asia, and Africa.



Go ahead and make a deal out of something as simple as a Polish Concentration camp. I should think the majority of Canadians who watch CTV know it means it was a german camp in poland and it killed millions of polish people.

[EvanL]

Yeh i was just basically pulling facts out of my ass in a blind fit of rage.
Sorry for any misconstruencies *sp
Polski!

[Herrmannek]

We don't balme Canada or Canadians just ignorance or not puting caution on said words or taking responsibility for said things. Just imagine how would you react when I would say that canadaians runed death camps and killed Jews in tv as common fact not needing any further explanation..I would hear whinig here from Canada even with closed windows :), but we don't se any reaction to fix that mistake from canadian side, this is what angry us...

[memphiz]

If you really have a problem with it, I sugest you write CTV.ca an email...Im sure one of them will relize their mistake and appoligise

[hedgehog]

So, did anyone else see this error on CTV or are we all still relying on the statement made by someone who clearly cannot spell and possibly speak English very well.

Just a side note: Poles did kill Jews in WW2, but they were sympathizers and were encouraged by their "german" liberators. Still, that did not change the fact that they were Poles.

[Herrmannek]

So, did anyone else see this error on CTV or are we all still relying on the statement made by someone who clearly cannot spell and possibly speak English very well.
We didn't seen that, its second hand info...

[Herrmannek]

Just a side note Jews did kill Poles in WW2... , but they were sympathizers and weren't encouraged by their "soviet" linberators... Still, that did not change the fact that they were Jews... :|, this cases are still to investigate as they were working from soviet support so there wasn't any chance to investigate them earlier, also most of the places isn't now territory of poland making investigation even harder...

[Mongrel]

cut wrote: "poland and canada are very much alike"

I say NO as a Canadian would have spent the time sending e-mail to the news agency asking them why it was said the way it was?

Instead of waisting time posting on a board that has nothing to do with the broadcast. :P

Also BTW we don't live in huts in the woods...we live in Igloos (ice houses).

Cheers!
M.

[Herrmannek]

if you have those, you are very much like us :)
http://www.ladek.terramail.pl/brzozy.jpg
http://tramp.travel.pl/photo/00018/duze/brzozy.jpg

[memphiz]

Birch trees?

[EvanL]

Birch trees?They burn so good. :D

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

http://img35.exs.cx/img35/5726/DSC02069.jpg

Vancouver island rainforest, can you find me ;)

The proper way to handle this is by contacting CTV, I'm sure they will apologize, as most likely this was a "brainfart" that slipped threw the cracks.

I didnt even see it as I never watch TV, except when Cops is on ;)

[East]

So let me get this straight, you don't like our country because of a foolish comment made by a single news anchor? Thats like me saying I don't like Poland cause your a ****in idiot...

[Mongrel]

Yup that looks like a Vancouver Island Rainforest all right..my back yard is much like this. Complete with the Hymalian black berries.

Due to the fact that Polish women are hot...you are forgiven, and we will not invade Poland now. :D

Cheers!
M.

[scattergun]

You have no grasp of the English language, obviously.

Polish Concentration camps, Dutch Concentration Camps, German Concentration Camps. It's where they were located, you get it?

Get your head out of your ass.

[scattergun]

Who in the f*uck do you think it was that liberated Poland? It sure as hell wasn't the mighty polish armed forces who got there ass kicked way back in '39. It wasn't the French, who also rolled over twice in 30 years like a whipped dog. It wasn't the Belgian, or Dutch, or anyone else but the allied forces who rolled over German forces in a matter of months......after over 5 years of your country living under Nazi rule.

Give credit where credit is due, it was largely Canadian, British, Russian, and American blood that paved the way for the Allied Victory in Europe. Each of these nations were instrumental in liberating those that now live in free Europe. And that includes you, POLAND!

So, stand up, be a man, and give credit where credit is due.

[EvanL]

Who in the f*uck do you think it was that liberated Poland? It sure as hell wasn't the mighty polish armed forces who got there ass kicked way back in '39. It wasn't the French, who also rolled over twice in 30 years like a whipped dog. It wasn't the Belgian, or Dutch, or anyone else but the allied forces who rolled over German forces in a matter of months......after over 5 years of your country living under Nazi rule.

Give credit where credit is due, it was largely Canadian, British, Russian, and American blood that paved the way for the Allied Victory in Europe. Each of these nations were instrumental in liberating those that now live in free Europe. And that includes you, POLAND!

So, stand up, be a man, and give credit where credit is due.
stfu man
your digging a hole for the rest of us which we doint need.
Poles fought along side us in many battles, and spilt blood with us.
Shut your ****ing pie hole and say something productive.

[scattergun]

There are approximately 817,000 Canadians of Polish decent in Canada, or roughly 2.8% of the total population of over 29,000,000.

Why this matters is beyond me, but if you can't find this info on the internet you don't belong on the www.

[EvanL]

There are approximately 817,000 Canadians of Polish decent in Canada, or roughly 2.8% of the total population of over 29,000,000.

Why this matters is beyond me, but if you can't find this info on the internet you don't belong on the www.
our population is nearing 34million.
your info is outdated.
and wats that got to do with what i said? your still being an asshole to our polish friends.

[scattergun]

First, EvanWhatever...it's none of your business.

But if you have to stick your nose in...these jackasses spouting off about Canada not liberating Poland is pure garbage, showing that they have no appreciation for the sacrifices that Canadians made in the liberation of Europe from Nazi domination.

Canadians didn't set foot in a host of countries that they were instrumental in liberating.....my point is, they don't get it.

And a bunch of guys were arguing about Polish population of Canada for some reason a few pages back, so I'm telling them the facts. Go back and read the posts about 5 million, blah. blah.

And lastly, if you are actually Canadian you would know that the last census was in 2001. The next one will be in 2006. So show me better information on this, Evan. As if the Polish % has changed by more than 0.0001% in 3 years.

Canadian Population: 29,639,035
Polish Ethnic Origin: 817,085
Or, for the mathematically challenged, 2.76%.

Here's the link for you educational pleasure...google yielded it in 0.004 seconds.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/demo28a.htm

So, thanks for coming out...by the way the latest Canadian Gov't estimate of population was 31,825,416. This was for Jan. 2004. And it is just that, an estimate, until the next census. See if you can find that on the net, a bit of homework for you.

And you're right, I am an asshole. You saying that means I'm raising some eyebrows here, which is my purpose.

[EvanL]

Population:
32,507,874 (July 2004 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html
cheers

[scattergun]

So what, you said 34,000,000. And you take an American CIA estimate over the latest official Canadian Gov't estimate, OK.....you know that U.S. intelligent agencies are always right...hehehehe.

Wait a minute, why am I fighting with someone who's ass I already kicked?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

So let me get this straight, you don't like our country because of a foolish comment made by a single news anchor? Thats like me saying I don't like Poland cause your a f*** idiot...

huh?
I have nothing against Canada and I'm not judging the whole country.

btw. one day passed since our media reported about this case, and now probably noone in Poland still remembers about it, so let's finish this pointless thread.
We have better flamewar subjects, like 'our beer is better than yours' ;)

[mack pl]

Who in the f*uck do you think it was that liberated Poland? It sure as hell wasn't the mighty polish armed forces who got there ass kicked way back in '39.
You didn't heard about "Ludowe Wojsko Polskie"(Peoples Polish Army)?You didn't heard about polish troops who fought i Western Europe? You didn't heard about Home Army(polish resistance)?No, you didn't....




Give credit where credit is due, it was largely Canadian, British, Russian, and American blood that paved the way for the Allied Victory in Europe. Each of these nations were instrumental in liberating those that now live in free Europe. And that includes you, POLAND!
dude, our troops fought in Norway, France, Great Britain, Belgium, Nederland, Germany(even in Berlin), Soviet Russia, Africa(Tobruk), Middle Eeast(Iraq) etc.....but, you are right, Canada fighted too, and nobody here never said its not true. THANX CANUCKS(its not a sarcasm or something).



So, stand up, be a man, and give credit where credit is due.
ok. And something to you- be a man, buy a history book, and read it. ;)

anyway, this thread is ****. Poles aren't anti-Canadian, we haven't got anything against Canada etc......boys, we don't want to invide you :lol:

Regards Canucks :hug:

PS. THX Evan, you are reasonable man.

[Truthsayer]

Who in the f*uck do you think it was that liberated Poland? /../
Give credit where credit is due, it was largely Canadian, British, Russian, and American blood that paved the way for the Allied Victory in Europe.

First of all, it's not like blood from many of the countries wasn't spilled at all - Poland for example had their army prtty much whiped out. It's not their fault thay had outdated equipment and could only send cavalery-riders against tanks. You better show some respect to all the soldiers that fell, _besides_ those mentioned above.

(Btw, Poland per say was 'liberated' by Russia alone. And stayed 'liberated' for 45 years before they got truly liberated. But thanks anyway.)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

btw. During WWII Polish 1st Armoured Div was part of the 1st Canadian Army :cantbeli: :)


boys, we don't want to invide you

no? :(

[mack pl]

It's not their fault thay had outdated equipment and could only send cavalery-riders against tanks. .
No !!! Its german propaganda mate ;) Our cavalry against german tanks had swedish Bofors 37mm ;) :lol:




(Btw, Poland per say was 'liberated' by Russia alone. And stayed 'liberated' for 45 years before they got truly liberated. But thanks anyway.)
and by Polish Peoples Army(LWP). ;)

anyway, thanks man. Respect.

[Truthsayer]

It's not their fault thay had outdated equipment and could only send cavalery-riders against tanks. .
No !!! Its german propaganda mate ;) Our cavalry against german tanks had swedish Bofors 40mm ;) :lol:


Wopps, didn't know that. Grew up wirth several polish friends and classmates, but we missed that part.

Always taken it as an true act of bravery to put up everything you have against an bigger invador like that. I have only respect for woman and men that fight for protection of their country.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Our cavalry against german tanks had swedish Bofors 40mm ;) :lol:

37mm! :bash: Bofors 40 was an AA gun :lol:

[perdurabo]

yep also anti tank gun that germans used later aginst french tanks...

Canucks no offense but i think that our Ambasy in canada knows english, they asked CTV to explain this, and they heard that CTV will not do this, so we send our lawyers. End of case.

[mack pl]

Our cavalry against german tanks had swedish Bofors 40mm ;) :lol:

37mm! :bash: Bofors 40 was an AA gun :lol:
I know, but I was hurry to replay.... :lol:

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

About Polish cavalry carging on the German tanks:


German propaganda: Most known is the cavalry 'charge' on 1.September 1939 in the area of the 'passage' between Pommern and Danzig. What really happenend was that two squadrons of the 18th Polish Lancer Regiment, under instruction of Colonel Kazimierz Mastelarz tried to surprise a German infantry unit (belonging to German 20th Motorised Infantry Division). By late afternoon, with a company of tankettes of the 81st Armoured Troop the 18th Lancers were holding the most northern Polish positions near Chojnice while the remainder of the Pomorska Cavalry Brigade fell back southward. The Regimental Colonel Kazimierz Mastelarz had already sought permission to fall back across the Bzura River, which was in his rear to a more easily defendable and less risky position. Permission had been refused. By late afternoon Mastelarz decided he had no choice but to take some sort of active initiative on his own. Abandoning the broken down tankettes he mounted half his men giving him a force of less than two normal line squadrons. He aimed to outflank German infantry positions and take them from the rear. At about 7 P.M. the Poles came across German infantry in a forest clearing. Determined upon a surprise attack Mastelarz swept into the clearing with a mounted sabre charge that annihilated the German units. The Poles chased the German infantrymen in the gallopp, when a German armoured car unit (and possibly Panzer I), which had arrived on the scene. The German vehicles emerged around the corner (left hand side of the area being charged were some woods which took a left hand curve). Colonel Mastelarz then had two possibilities: stop the attack and turn and make flight - and being shot to pieces by the automatic cannons of the German vehicles (or tank machine guns)before getting out of shooting distance. Or head straight for the tanks and disappear between them (and thus put the Germans at risk, mutually to shoot themselves) and finallly into forest area. Mastelarz decided for the second possibility. Bystanders could take this as a cavalry charge. In truth it was a desperate, but ingenious escape attempt. The Germans were so surprised of the sight of the 'charging' cavalry that they hardly fired. Colonel Mastelarz actually succeeded in saving his units. 20 men were lost. On the next day Italian reporters visited the place of the happening, where German officers told them, on the basis the dead cavallerists, of the 'antiquated and helpless' charge. A myth was born. This report was then taken up and cannibalized by the German propaganda machinery, in order to support the alleged 'inferiority of the slawic race' (tenor: 'only mentally inferior races are so thick as a brick to attack tanks with sword and lance'). Also wanting to demonstrate a Polish military recklessness and foolishness. Far from the truth.

[mack pl]

It was only 11 charges in septemebr39. But any of them was against tanks. ;)

@Perdurabo-Italians using Ur35.

[LeMat]

If you know polish you can read this.
http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/swiat/1,34180,2188281.html


W tej sytuacji polskie MSZ wezwało na konsultacje ambasadora Kanady w Warszawie, który przychylił się do stanowiska Polaków i poinformował o możliwości złożenia skargi do kanadyjskiego odpowiednika KRRiT.

That means: In this situation polish foreign ministry called canadian ambassador in Warsaw who consended to polish opinion and told that it is possible to lodge a complaint about this situation to canadian media control department.

So I was right.
I don`t accuse all Canadians. I just hate this ****ed TV station :fork:
It is worse than TV Trwam (polish ultracatholic TV station for old people who hate EU, Jews, USA, penguins and squirrels).

[Durandal]

So wait, the REAL issue here is that in Poland you can be arrested for saying the death camps never existed.

I still cannot believe that.

I mean, someone would have to have their head up their ass to believe that, but hey, its an opinion. It may be wrong, but does Poland really need to lock them up? Seem a bit overkill to me. Why not laugh at them like we do in the United States.

There are a very few people who think the Earth is flat as well. Maybe you guys should lock them up as well.

[LeMat]

Durandal

Probably you will never understand this. But in country which lost almost 25% of it`s population during WWII it is acceptable.
Poles think that it is OK and we don`t think that it is kind of limiting freedom of speech. It is just a kind of protecting our history and protecting people who died during WWII.
Every polish family lost someone who was killed in Auschwitz, Majdanek, Gross Rosen or in some forrest.
For us it is still very hot topic. Especially when you have grandfather who saw death of his mother.
In every polish city you will find places where Poles and Jews were murdering. You can see holes in the walls and sometimes bloodstains on the walls or pavements :(
In most causes you won`t be locked but you will have to pay a fine or you will have "zawiasy" (that means you won`t be locked but if you do it again you will be locked without mercy) and you career will be finished because most people will think that you are scum.

[mack pl]

So wait, the REAL issue here is that in Poland you can be arrested for saying the death camps never existed.
well, not exactly. If you said that those camps weren't death camps, and there were no Holocaust, killing people, no Cyklon B etc. than yes...



I mean, someone would have to have their head up their ass to believe that, but hey, its an opinion. It may be wrong, but does Poland really need to lock them up?
well, we have never lock anyone, coz only one guy write book with BS like that. Im talking about mr Ratajczak from Opole University. He wasn't locked in jail, but he losed his job in University, and he will never teach in any polish university.


Seem a bit overkill to me. Why not laugh at them like we do in the United States.
maybe because we aren't USA, and we have those fukin camps in our country...many of former prisoners still living in Poland....but I agree with you, when someone talking BS like that, he is idiot....



There are a very few people who think the Earth is flat as well. Maybe you guys should lock them up as well.
haha, how do you know we didn't :lol:

anyway, our law is weird, but hey, every nation have some weird laws :lol:

regards

[Spleen]

Germany has similar laws about holocaust denial, I'm pretty sure.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Germany has similar laws about holocaust denial, I'm pretty sure.

The German law is even more restrictive- IIRC you may be prosecuted for painting a svastika symbol...

[Durandal]

Germany has similar laws about holocaust denial, I'm pretty sure.

The German law is even more restrictive- IIRC you may be prosecuted for painting a svastika symbol...

Even if it is a fine art piece depicting the horrors of fascism?

[Herrmannek]

I heard that sellers can't sell scale models of german equipment, with included svasticas or other relates symbols on "water stickers" so if such sign is molded or persisten they need to remove it with knife :)

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Germany has similar laws about holocaust denial, I'm pretty sure.

The German law is even more restrictive- IIRC you may be prosecuted for painting a svastika symbol...

Even if it is a fine art piece depicting the horrors of fascism?

Even. IIRC using svastika is totally forbidden.
I know that German aircraft modellers can't but svastikas on their WWII models...

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

I heard that sellers can't sell scale models of german equipment, with included svasticas or other relates symbols on "water stickers" so if such sign is molded or persisten they need to remove it with knife :)

Damn, I should write my posts faster :)

[Freibier]

I heard that sellers can't sell scale models of german equipment, with included svasticas or other relates symbols on "water stickers" so if such sign is molded or persisten they need to remove it with knife :)
That's not true, model kits come with all the stickers - If a swastika is visible on the box then its mostly painted over though.
But you can't display Nazi insignia in public unless it's for educational purposes.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

I heard that sellers can't sell scale models of german equipment, with included svasticas or other relates symbols on "water stickers" so if such sign is molded or persisten they need to remove it with knife :)
That's not true, model kits come with all the stickers - If a swastika is visible on the box then its mostly painted over though.
But you can't display Nazi insignia in public unless it's for educational purposes.

Thanks for the info. I see that we exaggerated :roll:

[Herrmannek]

Thanks frei.. thats why I said "I heard" :)

[DANJANOU]

...so let's finish this pointless thread.
We have better flamewar subjects, like 'our beer is better than yours' ;)

Now them's is fightin words :bash:

I suggest Pint glasses at 20 paces, first to pass out loses.
:)

Seriously can a moderator or someone shut this thread, so the various ass clowns and mouth breathers can go back to frolicking in the shallow end of the gene pool.

I think it has long past served its purpose, presuming ther was one in the first place.

[Durandal]

That's not true, model kits come with all the stickers - If a swastika is visible on the box then its mostly painted over though.
But you can't display Nazi insignia in public unless it's for educational purposes.

Still, that is crazy.

Don't get me wrong, but I have attended a fair number of conventions where there have been model competitions, RC planes, antique and militaria...and yeah, sometimes you see a swastika. Not because they are glorifying it but because they are presenting a piece of history.

Craziness...

Hell, I know of a couple building here in Cincinnati that have swastika designs on the tiles out side the main doorway. Built in the 1800s...I always thought they were swastikas but they are not. Lucky symbols and imagery for good.

Then there is other stuff...

http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/krishna.gif
krishna

http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/footprints.gif
Buddha

Heck it was even associated with Thor and Odin...

I am not trying to split hairs, but when used inthis context, because people still do, is that illegal (public or not)?

[Freibier]

I am not trying to split hairs, but when used inthis context, because people still do, is that illegal (public or not)?
That's a difficult question - if it's used to glorify nazism then it's definately illegal. In any case, you probably wouldn't be jailed but the fine would be quite expensive and would show up in your criminal record. If you build a "accurate historical scale model" and use that model for educational purposes or to document a part of history then you can have all the nazi insignia on it.
If the symbol is similar to a nazi insignia, but used say in a religious context (e.g. the hindu swastika) then you can probably get away with it, but you would have to prove that this is no neonazi thing.
You can find a list of symbols that are illegal in germany here:
(unfortunately only in german language :( )
http://www.ida-nrw.de/html/Hverbsymb.htm
(if you use the highlighted links on the bottom you can find every symbol illegal in germany)
Nazism ruined our country, turned average men into murderers and damaged our national reputation forever - that's why we're a little touchy on the subject.

[Mongrel]

"Nazism ruined our country, turned average men into murderers and damaged our national reputation forever - that's why we're a little touchy on the subject."

Nazism was over 100 years in the making and the tip of the iceburg to a very long set of cultural issues in Germany that in many ways still exist today. Don't ask me to explane..it would take way too long...just thought I'd post a brain fart. Need... more... beer :P

Cheers!
M.

[Freibier]

Need... more... beer :P
Cheers!
M.
Prost! http://www.cheesebuerger.de/smilies/nahrung/54.gif

[StarvingStudent47]

One idiot on one TV program is no reason to hate an entire country. Canada's a pretty cool place, don't just go and hate them because of this.

I suspect he MEANT "Nazi camps located within Poland" when he said "Polish camps." He shouldn't have said it, but let's not go and have an international conflict about some poorly-chosen words.

[Herrmannek]

One idiot on one TV program is no reason to hate an entire country. Canada's a pretty cool place, don't just go and hate them because of this.


I suspect he MEANT "Nazi camps located within Poland" when he said "Polish camps." He shouldn't have said it, but let's not go and have an international conflict about some poorly-chosen words.

:lol: , there were coflicts based on less important reasons..., but We don't want conquer Canda at least not yet and not for that reason, we want only sorry and explanation from that tv station....

[Cassiar]

but We don't want conquer Canda at least not yet and not for that reason

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v322/intestine/kielbasa.jpg

[Boxer]

This whole thread is rediculous. Someone lock it down. PLEASE.

Speaking from a Unbias Canadian point of view. who cares what one little man from a tiny little news agency says. It was 60 years ago for Christ Sake. Remember the year is 2004 now. Everyone did thier part to end Tyranny then. Let it be folks. There are other issues to deal with.

Damn people all of you get a freaking life.