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Snoshi
02-26-2010, 12:12 AM
The Palestinian Authority has warned that it may abandon its support of the 1993 Oslo Accords, which outlines a two-state solution to the conflict with Israel, and instead pursue the creation of a binational state between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, according to a document drafted by the PA's veteran chief negotiator.

The paper, entitled "The Political Situation in Light of Developments with the U.S. Administration and Israeli Government and Hamas's Continued Coup d'etat," was written by Saeb Erekat in December 2009.

It cites several methods of nonviolent resistance in light of the continued stagnation of the Mideast peace process. Among them are putting an end to security cooperation with Israel unless negotiations are resumed. This would mean the disbanding of the Palestinian security forces which have been trained by the U.S. security coordinator for the region, Gen. Keith Dayton, and potentially bolstering Hamas' role in maintaining order in the West Bank.

The document also raises the possibility of announcing the nullification of the Oslo Accords and even the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority. The chaos that would result from such a move, the document states, would force Israel to reassert military control over the entire the West Bank.

The third option proposed in the document - and possibly the most disconcerting from an Israeli perspective - is abandoning the pursuit of a two-state solution with Israel, and instead working toward a binational state that would exist on all the lands of historic Palestine.

Erekat told Haaretz that the third option is not his preferred course of action, but simply the default option based on what he called Israel's continued refusal to return to the negotiating table on the basis of terms agreed upon between Israel and the PA during the previous U.S. administration.

The 21-page document was sent in recent weeks to several leading policy scholars, the majority of whom work in Europe. In his paper, Erekat outlines the understandings reached during George W. Bush's administration, including the PA's willingness to consider compromising on its long-held insistence on the Right of Return.

According to the document's English translation, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert that his government would be willing to accept the return of 150,000 Palestinian refugees to Israel within the framework of a final-status agreement.

The Palestinians, Erekat wrote, agreed to the return of 15,000 refugees a year over 10 years. Thereafter, refugees would only be permitted to settle in Israel through an agreement between both sides. The document's original Arabic version does not state how many refugees will be allowed to return to land that is now defined as Israel.

Erekat describes Hamas as an obstacle to reaching an agreement with Israel. His document states that the Fatah leadership is pushing for next month's Arab League summit in Tripoli, Libya to demand that Hamas state whether it supports a final-status agreement. Such a statement, Erekat said, would determine whether Hamas stands within the Arab consensus, or is more in line with Iranian policy.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1152493.html

Bamba
02-26-2010, 02:39 AM
This is what they've always wanted.

RoyB
02-26-2010, 05:07 AM
Just empty words.
It appears to me that they want it all.. I haven't seen any concessions done by their side, yet.

BLUE THOR
02-26-2010, 05:10 AM
when threatening someone, it helps to have at least one leg to stand on.

ting
02-26-2010, 06:18 AM
Their battle cry would move from give me a state to give me a vote. I have a hard time seeing anyone saying no to such a thing while still calling themselves democratically minded.

dracon49
02-26-2010, 06:54 AM
They live in a dream.....they want the negotiations to start from where they ended with Olmert.....basically he offered them everything including East Jerusalem and the return of some refugees....

OrangeWolf
02-26-2010, 06:59 AM
There is a one state solution...Jordan....

lol, the Hashemites will surely accept that.

BLUE THOR
02-26-2010, 07:06 AM
There is a one state solution...Jordan....

Tried that before, ended with an Angry Bedouin Unit with Tank support throwing them out

OrangeWolf
02-26-2010, 07:16 AM
Tried that before, ended with an Angry Bedouin Unit with Tank support throwing them out



Heh, is that your description of the Jordanian military :)?

Besides, what good is it gonna do for Israel if Jordan will be run by Palestinians? Isn't the Jordanian border the calmest? Or anyway the least costly border?

dracon49
02-26-2010, 07:36 AM
it's their way to try to pressure Israel to return to the negotiations from where they ended with Olmert(that basically he offered them everything, so i don't know on what you can "negotiate" more).

Climber
02-26-2010, 08:18 AM
Their battle cry would move from give me a state to give me a vote. I have a hard time seeing anyone saying no to such a thing while still calling themselves democratically minded.
If I go to Norway, could I vote?

HellToupee
02-26-2010, 10:27 AM
What on holiday or to live

BLUE THOR
02-26-2010, 10:43 AM
Heh, is that your description of the Jordanian military :)?

Besides, what good is it gonna do for Israel if Jordan will be run by Palestinians? Isn't the Jordanian border the calmest? Or anyway the least costly border?

Not at all. merely hinting at their involvement. And considering Israel and Jordan have a good working relationship - Israel turned back a Syrian Tank column rolling across Jordan to come to the aid of the Palestinians. Jordan was busily removing the Palestinians, and didnt expect the Syrians to advance on the capital Amman, Israel was contacted indirectly and asked to "assist" with a fly over with jets, no offensive action was authorised. The Jet pilots put on a good show and the Syrians said, "bugger this, I'm going home". Amman was safe and theyve been good friends and targets of Palestinian hatred ever since.

Cal_Zephyr
02-26-2010, 10:56 AM
when threatening someone, it helps to have at least one leg to stand on.

apperently not

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=175036

ting
02-26-2010, 02:23 PM
If I go to Norway, could I vote?

The answer depends on how pedantic you want to be. I would say the non pedantic answer is yes.

LineDoggie
02-26-2010, 02:36 PM
Palestinians threaten to adopt one-state solution...............


Good luck on that......

In a related future story, Palestina, the worlds first Underwater country celebrates its founding in 2010 after being pushed into the med.

bbsh
02-26-2010, 02:39 PM
The third option proposed in the document - and possibly the most disconcerting from an Israeli perspective - is abandoning the pursuit of a two-state solution with Israel, and instead working toward a binational state that would exist on all the lands of historic Palestine.

Historic Palestine? This one?

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dracon49
02-26-2010, 02:59 PM
The answer depends on how pedantic you want to be. I would say the non pedantic answer is yes.
Israelis could get a Norwegian citizenship?:)

dracon49
02-26-2010, 03:01 PM
Historic Palestine? This one?

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The link to the image doesn't work....at least for me...

Connaught Ranger
02-26-2010, 03:10 PM
Heh, is that your description of the Jordanian military :)?

Besides, what good is it gonna do for Israel if Jordan will be run by Palestinians? Isn't the Jordanian border the calmest? Or anyway the least costly border?

Once bitten, twice shy!

The Palestinians were kicked out of Jordon for stirring up trouble,

they will not be going back anytime soon as the Jordanians despise them as troublemakers.

Just check out their past history while guests of the Jordanians,

better yet just check out their history with regards any country that allowed them to stay.

Connaught Ranger

dracon49
02-26-2010, 03:25 PM
Once bitten, twice shy!

The Palestinians were kicked out of Jordon for stirring up trouble,

they will not be going back anytime soon as the Jordanians despise them as troublemakers.

Just check out their past history while guests of the Jordanians,

better yet just check out their history with regards any country that allowed them to stay.

Connaught Ranger
You know that more then 70% of the Jordanians are Palestinians?

Yoni-R
02-26-2010, 04:04 PM
You know that more then 70% of the Jordanians are Palestinians?
yes but what % of the ruling class are? thats the important question in a country like that...

Climber
02-26-2010, 04:19 PM
The answer depends on how pedantic you want to be. I would say the non pedantic answer is yes.

What are the conditions? I mean, I have to be a citizen, have the residency or just go there and vote?, I mean it in a not pedantic way.

dracon49
02-26-2010, 04:20 PM
I don't know ,but in dictatorships the regime can be a minority like in Syria(Assad is an Alawite and they are only 13% of the population)

ting
02-26-2010, 04:32 PM
Israelis could get a Norwegian citizenship?:)

Not really since then you would no longer be Israeli:lol:


What are the conditions? I mean, I have to be a citizen, have the residency or just go there and vote?, I mean it in a not pedantic way.

Council and county voting requires that you have residency.
Parliament elections require citizenship.

dracon49
02-26-2010, 05:31 PM
Not really since then you would no longer be Israeli:lol:
.
What about dual citizenship?

ting
02-27-2010, 06:09 AM
What about dual citizenship?

I'm not sure, I think there are rules against it. However I think if you are born in Norway and get an additional passport later it is OK, but if you move to Norway you have to give up the other one. But I'm only speculating.

Climber
02-27-2010, 07:21 AM
Not really since then you would no longer be Israeli:lol:



Council and county voting requires that you have residency.
Parliament elections require citizenship.

Thanks, same as in Argentina. But they accept dual citizenship here, lot of people holds dual citizenship, mostly EU.