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Rudolph
02-28-2010, 05:55 AM
SA world's biggest welfare state

Feb 21 2010 15:06
Svetlana Doneva

Johannesburg - Social grant expenditure is estimated at R89bn in the current fiscal year, a figure large enough to prompt some commentators to call South Africa the "biggest welfare state" in the world.

The 2010/11 allowance for social grants represents a 12% increase year-on-year.

State pension, disability allowances, child support, foster care, care dependency, war veterans and grant-in-aid number the available grants in the country.

The state pension, available to South Africans over 60, increased 7% y/y to R1 080 per month.

The same amount is paid in a monthly disability grant, available to adult female South Africans below the age of 59 and under-62 males. Applicants for these grants have to provide a medical certificate and not be maintained at a state institution.

The child support grant, worth R250 per month, increased just 4% over the past year.

Interestingly, Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan decided in last week's National Budget to extend this grant to include 18-year-olds, up from its previous age limit of 15. The additional cost to the state of this extension is R12.2bn.

To qualify for this grant, both applicant and child must be South African residents. Applicants may not request grants for more than six non-biological children. Children cared for by state institutions do not qualify.

The foster care grant allows foster parents R710/month - a 4% increase on 2009/2010 levels.

Dependency ratio 'unsustainable'

Additional grants include the war veterans' grant, aimed at disabled South Africans over the age of 60 who fought in the Second World War or the Korean War. This grant has a monthly value of R1 100, a 7% increase on last year.

The care dependency grant is for parents who care for children with a confirmed permanent and severe disability. The grant is worth R1 080/month, up 6% from last year.

Finally, the grant in aid is for older citizens who need full-time attendance by another party due to mental or physical disability. This grant is worth R250/month, up 4% from last year.

A treasury representative said grant increases come into effect on March 1. Applicants can qualify for more than one grant at a time.

News agency Sapa cited economist Mike Schüssler as being critical of the grant system.

"Look at South Africa's dependency ratio - it's three people to one taxpayer and it's unsustainable," Schüssler reportedly said.

Andile Sokomani from the Institute of Security Studies said that the extent of state support is unlikely to discourage low-income earners from being self-reliant.

"That danger is not real at this point," said Sokomani, a senior researcher in corruption and governance at the Sub-Saharan non-profit organisation.

"Nearly half of the South African population is living on under $1/day, but only half of those people are receiving monetary support from the government."

Sokomani estimated that about 12 to 13 million South Africans are reliant on social grants.

He added that the government is attempting to approach social welfare from a sustainable perspective, opting to build skills and protect basic health, as opposed to merely resorting to hand-outs.

- Fin24.com

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=2572925


Someone asked the other day whether there was any good news about SA. It's genuinely two worlds down here. So much wasted potential, even though many simply see it as another Zimbabwe in the making, we can still be proud about the following:

* World's biggest producer of Mo-99 medical radio isotopes for cancer treatment '09
* Largest hospital in Southern hemisphere - Chris Hani Baragwanath
* Sasol, company with most PHDs in Southern hemisphere
* RSA GDP 45% that of whole Africa, 3x that of second biggest economy Egypt
* Produces more than 2/3 of continent's electricity
* Largest hydro-electrial tunnel system in world
* Most advanced coal-to-liquid fuel infrastructure in world
* Has the world's two largest platinum mines
* Has 80% of Africa's railway
* Produces more goods than Portugal, Russia or Singapore
* Has more companies on Fortune 500 than any its size
* Argus race - largest timed cycle race in world
* 2nd Boer War - According to Guinness most expensive war outside their two world wars :)
* Stellenbosch first university to build and launch own satellite ( built, not launch on its own )
* SA first country outside USA to have MBA program
* Largest gold refinery in the world - Rand
* UNISA - largest correspondency university in the world - 250,000 students
* De Beers controls 80% of world's rough diamonds
* JSE 7th best performing stock exchange in '05
* Biggest magnanese & chrome exporter by sales
* SA won more golf majors than any nation besides USA
* Only team who hold Rugby & Sevens world cup title

That's simply the point of my post. Am I dreaming, or do we really have a future? Or are all these facts just the remnants of European people who's stay in the country is not guaranteed...?

AmandlaEwetu
02-28-2010, 06:19 AM
I took the view in '88 that RSA was doomed and bailed out to the UK,my Dad still lives in Cape town,he tells me things are starting to get a bit better but I do worry what will happen when Mandela dies,will RSA then go through a black nationalist phase like most of Africa has done post colonisation and only now seems to be slowly shaking off with various degrees of success.I wish you good luck with the future as a European living in Africa,history does not give you good odds in my opinion.

Still miss the sun though hah hah

Obelix
02-28-2010, 06:59 AM
That list, i am loathe to point out, consists almost entirely of things that are the fruits of the Apartheid years. For a list such as that to truly be a source of hope, there should be more on there that have their origin in the 'New South Africa.'

As far as I can tell, the only things that can be included as such are:

1) JSE's performance.
2) Unisa's enrolment.

Following the JSE crash of '08/'09, this only really leaves Unisa. But many of those enrolled are whites who have fled the country.

The country needs the ANC to start delivering something more than just election rhetoric and anti-white bile, because it is riding on the back of the innovation of the former govt, and this cannot last forever.

Dinges
02-28-2010, 07:30 AM
SA world's biggest welfare state

http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=2572925



The biggest worry I have is that the tax-base that fund all these social programs is not growing at the same rate. Plus the fact that the government are making a hell of a lot of promises that they will not keep.

Rudolph
02-28-2010, 08:09 AM
That list, i am loathe to point out, consists almost entirely of things that are the fruits of the Apartheid years. For a list such as that to truly be a source of hope, there should be more on there that have their origin in the 'New South Africa.'

As far as I can tell, the only things that can be included as such are:

1) JSE's performance.
2) Unisa's enrolment.

Following the JSE crash of '08/'09, this only really leaves Unisa. But many of those enrolled are whites who have fled the country.

The country needs the ANC to start delivering something more than just election rhetoric and anti-white bile, because it is riding on the back of the innovation of the former govt, and this cannot last forever.

Our stock exchange is now just one spot behind that of South Korea's - so no problems there. Plus, Standard Bank bought big stake in a Russian bank during the recession, and we made more lucrative deals elsewhere since we were less affected.

Yes, the things mentioned came to be during apartheid or just after it, but my point being that those facts are true right now, it's not over yet. From here on we can still built a pretty good country. The only thing stopping that is the ANC. I'm not sure if I may say this, but I see the annual death rate for AIDS patients have gone up from 300,000 to over 600,000, so eventually the ANC's support base will die out.

drevil5000
02-28-2010, 09:39 AM
This country will be fine as long as our communist leaning government leaves the farms, mines and other big business alone.

Blacks are joining the middle classes quite quickly so as long as we can hold things together until the tax base increases enough, we'll be fine.

Once enough of the population is educated I think we'll see the ANC being voted out of power. If there is ever going to be a civil war, it will happen then. African liberation parties are not known for their willingness to step down from power.

Dinges
02-28-2010, 09:53 AM
This country will be fine as long as our communist leaning government leaves the farms, mines and other big business alone.

Blacks are joining the middle classes quite quickly so as long as we can hold things together until the tax base increases enough, we'll be fine.

Once enough of the population is educated I think we'll see the ANC being voted out of power. If there is ever going to be a civil war, it will happen then. African liberation parties are not known for their willingness to step down from power.

Agree. If you have a look at all and every media outlet on the interwebby , you will find a lot of average SA's are both fed up and totally disillusioned with the ANC gov. But do they have the will to vote according to what they see or what they want to believe in? You have to remember the vast majority of citizens view the ANC with reverence due to 1994. And no amount of Malema's or COPE's or DA's are going to change that.

I believe the real power for change will come from outside our borders , in the shape of the money carrot and disinvestment stick.

Dwelm
02-28-2010, 02:08 PM
This country will be fine as long as our communist leaning government leaves the farms, mines and other big business alone.

X2 and just shoot julius malema as he is going to make SA Zim no2

drevil5000
02-28-2010, 02:55 PM
X2 and just shoot julius malema as he is going to make SA Zim no2

I really hope malema's time is coming to an end. The media has him in their sights and it doesn't look like they going to let up.

With the amount of dodgy dealings he is involved in he should have been kicked out ages ago, but then again, this is africa.

baboon6
02-28-2010, 03:23 PM
X2 and just shoot julius malema as he is going to make SA Zim no2

Shooting's too good for Julius.

Dinges
02-28-2010, 03:28 PM
I really hope malema's time is coming to an end. The media has him in their sights and it doesn't look like they going to let up.

With the amount of dodgy dealings he is involved in he should have been kicked out ages ago, but then again, this is africa.

He is a puppet of sorts. Even though he gets all the attention - he is dispensable in the gov mindset. He takes the fall - I know this sounds crazy conspiracy clap trap. Do NEVER think it is not part of a bigger thing.

And I hate conspiracy theories.

DWP

baboon6
02-28-2010, 03:51 PM
He is a puppet of sorts. Even though he gets all the attention - he is dispensable in the gov mindset. He takes the fall - I know this sounds crazy conspiracy clap trap. Do NEVER think it is not part of a bigger thing.

And I hate conspiracy theories.

I don't know if you're right but his antics certainly do divert attention from other important issues and stories.

baboon6
03-01-2010, 09:45 AM
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Dinges
03-01-2010, 09:58 AM
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