Gun fans cheer Starbucks' policy

[Policía Loco]

Dale Welch recently walked into a Starbucks in Virginia, handgun strapped to his waist, and ordered a banana Frappuccino with a cinnamon bun. He says the firearm drew a double-take from at least one customer, but not a peep from the baristas.
Welch's foray into the coffeehouse was part of an effort by some gun owners to exercise and advertise their rights in states that allow people to openly carry firearms.
Even in some "open carry" states, businesses are allowed to ban guns in their stores. And some have, creating political confrontations with gun owners. But Starbucks, the largest chain targeted, has refused to take the bait, saying in a statement this month that it follows state and local laws and has its own safety measures in its stores.
"Starbucks is a special target because it's from the hippie West Coast, and a lot of dedicated consumers who pay $4 for coffee have expectations that Starbucks would ban guns. And here they aren't," said John Bruce, a political science professor at the University of Mississippi who is an expert in gun policy.
Welch, a 71-year-old retired property manager who lives in Richmond, Va., doesn't see any reason why he shouldn't bear arms while he gets caffeinated.
"I don't know of anybody who would provide me with defense other than myself, so I routinely as a way of life carry a weapon — and that extends to my coffee shops," he said.
The fight for retailers heated up in early January when gun enthusiasts in northern California began walking into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws that allow gun owners to carry weapons openly in public places. As it spread to other states, gun control groups quickly complained about the parade of firearms in local stores.
Some were spontaneous, with just one or two gun owners walking into a store. Others were organized parades of dozens of gun owners walking into restaurants with their firearms proudly at their sides.
In one case, about 100 activists bearing arms had planned to go to a California Pizza Kitchen in Walnut Creek, Calif., but after it became clear they weren't welcome they went to another restaurant. That chain and Peet's Coffee & Tea are among the businesses that have banned customers with guns.
Just as shops can deny service to barefoot customers, restaurants and stores in some states can declare their premises gun-free zones.
The advocacy group OpenCarry.org (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/storytext/us_guns___coffee/35299237/SIG=10mrmsqfj/*http://OpenCarry.org), a leading group encouraging the demonstrations, applauded Starbucks in a statement for "deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers."
"Starbucks is seen as a responsible corporation and they're seen as a very progressive corporation, and this policy is very much in keeping with that," said John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org. "If you're going to support individual rights, you have to support them all. I applaud them, and I've gone out of my way personally to let every manager of every Starbucks I pass know that."
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has responded by circulating a petition that soon attracted 26,000 signatures demanding that Starbucks "offer espresso shots, not gunshots" and declare its coffeehouses "gun-free zones."
Gun control advocates hope the coffeehouse firearms displays end up aggravating more people than they inspire.
"If you want to dress up and go out and make a little political theater by frightening children in the local Starbucks, if that's what you want to spend your energy on, go right ahead," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady campaign. "But going out and wearing a gun on your belt to show the world you're allowed to is a little juvenile."
The coffeehouse debate has been particularly poignant for gun-control advocates in Washington state, where four uniformed police officers were shot and killed while working on their laptops at a suburban coffeehouse. The shooter later died in a gun battle with police.
Ralph Fascitelli of Washington Ceasefire, an advocacy group that seeks to reduce gun violence, said allowing guns in coffeehouses robs residents of "societal sanctuaries."

"People go to Starbucks for an escape, just so they can get peace," Fascitelli said. "But people walk in with open-carry guns and it destroys the tranquility."
Gun control advocates have been on the defensive. Their opponents have trumpeted fears that gun rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama and his top allies have largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows.
Gun rights groups are looking to build on a 2008 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that struck down Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban, and cheered legislation that took effect Monday allowing licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks. Obama signed that legislation as part of a broader bill.
Legislators in Montana and Tennessee, meanwhile, have passed measures seeking to exempt guns made and kept in-state from national gun control laws. And state lawmakers elsewhere are considering legislation that would give residents more leeway to carry concealed weapons without permits.
Observers say the gun rights movement is using the Starbucks campaign to add momentum and energize its supporters. "They're trying to change the culture with this broader notion of gun rights," said Clyde Wilcox, a Georgetown University government professor who has written a book on the politics of gun control. "I think they are pressing the notion that they've got a rout going, so why not just get what they can while they're ahead?"


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[IraGlacialis]

Some were spontaneous, with just one or two gun owners walking into a store. Others were organized parades of dozens of gun owners walking into restaurants with their firearms proudly at their sides.I'm pretty neutral on the whole gun debate, but that just seems antagonistic and counterproductive regardless of state/local laws.

[wildcat]

hippie West Coast Washington state support conceal in a big way, it is part of the constitution of the state, for people to have the right too.


"People go to Starbucks for an escape, just so they can get peace," Fascitelli said. "But people walk in with open-carry guns and it destroys the tranquility."

weak minded or maybe bigots, if other people appearance makes them feel that way, I guess he probably would feel the same way if a cop entered, seeing they open carry too, if not then he has little faith in his fellow law abiding citizens.

[budgie]

Nope not the same as when a cop enters. The police may not be perfect and I certainly can't speak for Washington State, but I accept - as most citizens do - that peace officers have somehow been vetted before being turned loose with guns. I can't speak for Joe Public if its not a person I know and trust personally. Everyone packing in an environment like Starbucks seems a little intimidating. Perhaps it is meant to be. Gun owners can march around proudly 'asserting their rights', but those who don't want to see a Glock on their neighbour's hips while sipping their morning latte have no comeback. They just sit there feeling intimidated by the presence of deadly weapons while the gun bearer can feel all tough and manly (man or not).

[Ought Six]

About 15 years ago, I used to open carry my Glock 27 into Starbucks in Las Vegas, and nobody raised a fuss about it.

[PhillyMobster]

if not then he has little faith in his fellow law abiding citizens.

To be fair, he has more than the man who wears a gun.

I am a proud gun owner, and a CCW holder, but I think anyone who wears a gun openly is an idiot for two reasons. One. In the event that some nut does open up on a crowd, the first person he's gonna shoot is the guy wearing a gun, so part of the concealed carry idea is that you have an element of surprise. Second. Like it or not, it is a fact that Americans are unaccustomed to seeing firearms publicly displayed, and someone who wears one just to make a point is no different than the anti-abortion crowds holding pictures of bloody fetuses. People don't want to see that kind of stuff when the go out for whatever reason. It's counter productive to the movement. You can say all you want that you're raising awareness, but you're just alienating people who might otherwise support you.

[ronnieraygun]

People go to Starbucks for an escape, just so they can get peace," Fascitelli said.


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over

[Hilbert]

This reminds me of how one of my old professors was explaining back in "his day" he and friend got lost in the woods while hunting and go onto the nearest road/highway/whatever carrying rifle, pack, and the first car that passed them by stopped and the driver said something on the lines of "Hey Hunters, need a ride? Got lost?" where as today people would give such a wide birth, speed away, call the police, etc.

He was an interesting guy. May the Earth rest lightly on his old bones; heck his old bones are probably rocking by now.

[budgie]

About 15 years ago, I used to open carry my Glock 27 into Starbucks in Las Vegas, and nobody raised a fuss about it.

Yeah but dude, that was Vegas!

[Ought Six]

b:
"Yeah but dude, that was Vegas!"Your point being.... ??? Once you get off the strip, Vegas is mostly just 'the 'burbs, like most other cities. High density apartments, condos and housing developments everywhere, punctuated by strip malls.

[PhillyMobster]

b:Your point being.... ??? Once you get off the strip, Vegas is mostly just 'the 'burbs, like most other cities. High density apartments, condos and housing developments everywhere, punctuated by strip malls.

I think he was being humorous.

[el borracho]

...and I certainly can't speak for Washington State...

I can, and for the record most of the die-hard liberal hippie types out here hate Starbucks because it's an evil megacorporation.

[Ought Six]

I just hate them because their coffee sucks. I stopped going there over a decade ago.

[kimujnr]

If I ever carried a piece to Starbucks it would probably be to shoot everyone for just being in there!







Sarcasm/humor.. note from mod.

[seraosha]

If I ever carried a piece to Starbucks it would probably be to shoot everyone for just being in there!

Why? It's just an overpriced coffee shop. My sister in law is a starbucks manager...you would kill her for what reason?

[gaijinsamurai]

To be fair, he has more than the man who wears a gun.

I am a proud gun owner, and a CCW holder, but I think anyone who wears a gun openly is an idiot for two reasons. One. In the event that some nut does open up on a crowd, the first person he's gonna shoot is the guy wearing a gun, so part of the concealed carry idea is that you have an element of surprise. Second. Like it or not, it is a fact that Americans are unaccustomed to seeing firearms publicly displayed, and someone who wears one just to make a point is no different than the anti-abortion crowds holding pictures of bloody fetuses. People don't want to see that kind of stuff when the go out for whatever reason. It's counter productive to the movement. You can say all you want that you're raising awareness, but you're just alienating people who might otherwise support you.

Agree with you, PhillyMobster.
And openly displaying a gun in public just for the sake of attracting attention is just being an idiot. The last thing we as gunowners need to do is portray ourselves as aggressive loose cannons. Keeping a low profile is the best way to keep gun control on the back burner.

[gaijinsamurai]

If I ever carried a piece to Starbucks it would probably be to shoot everyone for just being in there!

WTF!?!?!

Are you some kind of crazy idiot? That kind of crap isn't even funny.

[kimujnr]

Why? It's just an overpriced coffee shop. My sister in law is a starbucks manager...you would kill her for what reason?

Aww damn you had to make this emotional didn't you?

No one of my closest buddies worked at one and loved all the perks, but every time I went to one I just felt plastic. The tight jeans, hair jelled hipsters with their new age laptops sippin on a mocha and giggling!

Even (as you so eloquently put it) a raging liberal pinko such as myself felt out of place.

For the record I'd spare your sister in law.

[Skutatos]

I can, and for the record most of the die-hard liberal hippie types out here hate Starbucks because it's an evil megacorporation.
True, it is becoming one of the few places one can have a coffee without having to overhear loud-mouthed coffee shop scholars.

[gaijinsamurai]

Alright, I guess I shouldn't have taken that post seriously, Kimujnr.

[kimujnr]

WTF!?!?!

Are you some kind of crazy idiot? That kind of crap isn't even funny.

I must admit, I may have gone overboard with that one, if the gun club's gonna look at me kinda weird that says something I hereby rescind that comment but I won't "hispeed" it. p-)

[Dominique]

My only problem with open carry is that I already know what's going to happen. Someone will get upset, Little Johnny's mom, who doesn't believe in the use of firearms, will get upset, and complain the owners of an establishment. The owners, who in t e past wouldn't have even had a policy on the matter, fear they'll upset a segment of their customer base, and will ban the carrying of firearms on their property. I can almost guarantee it.

[gaijinsamurai]

My only problem with open carry is that I already know what's going to happen. Someone will get upset, Little Johnny's mom, who doesn't believe in the use of firearms, will get upset, and complain the owners of an establishment. The owners, who in t e past wouldn't have even had a policy on the matter, fear they'll upset a segment of their customer base, and will ban the carrying of firearms on their property. I can almost guarantee it.

Exactly. All it takes is for a couple of idiots to ruin it for the rest of us.

[Ought Six]

If you think that exercising your right to open carry is "ruining it for the rest of us", I would say that silly attitudes like that is why liberals are so successful in politically intimidating Americans into giving up more and more rights. Never be afraid to defend and exercise your rights. A good example is students in colleges wearing empty holsters to protest weapons bans on campuses. Getting in their faces and making *them* back down is the right way to go. The only rights you are going to keep are the ones you loudly demand, fight for and exercise regularly. They are the only ones you deserve.

[Dominique]

Getting in their faces and making *them* back down is the right way to go.
Getting in someone's face is not always the best tactic to use.

[Ought Six]

When it comes to standing up for your rights, it is. Gandhi, Martin Luther King and many others taught the lesson that we should have learned. I can see here that their lesson fell on many deaf ears.

[Dominique]

When it comes to standing up for your rights, it is. Gandhi, Martin Luther King and many others taught the lesson that we should have learned. I can see here that their lesson fell on many deaf ears.

While Gahndi and MLK organized protests, and stud up for their rights, didn't jump up in peoples faces, who disagreed with them. Instead of trying to start a confrontation, which usually just causes people to dig their heals in, how how educating them on gun ownership. While you won't convince everyone, you will be able to bring some of them into the fold.

[digrar]

Open carry is a right? I thought the right was to bear arms, why is open carry so important when most people would be more comfortable with CCW?

[CanadianStormtrooper]

If a confrontation happened (vebal) and one of them has a gun, they are more likely to use it in anger. Wouldn't it be smart to not carry weapons in public places? would lead to less deaths by gunshot?

I know if someone came into a Tim Hortons all strapped to sh1et, I would like for someone to call the cops!

[wicked_hind]

Openly carrying a concealed weapon makes the whole concept of CCW an oxymoron.

[jklv]

I don't go to starbucks because it's always full of apple product bearing flaming homos

[Dominique]

If a confrontation happened (vebal) and one of them has a gun, they are more likely to use it in anger.

I have verbal confrontations with people all of the time, and I have yet to shoot them.


I know if someone came into a Tim Hortons all strapped to sh1et, I would like for someone to call the cops!

And you can do that in Canada.

[Policía Loco]

I, myself, would rather these people keep it concealed.

And I hate Starbucks as much as others, but it's a great place to pick up women.p-)

[CanadianStormtrooper]

I have verbal confrontations with people all of the time, and I have yet to shoot them.

Not everybody that carries a concealed weapon are good guys. I'm honestly sure you are a decent man Dominique but not everybody is.
And with the right to carry a concealed weapon comes more people that are willing to carry a concealed weapon Illegally, common sense no?

[Seiran]

Now, I agree that open carry isn't a bad thing, so if someone wants to stroll into Starbucks with his Sig or Glock on his hip, in its holster, I won't be bothered. Now as for myself - Well a friend of mine and I have a saying that we live by "Nobody knows I'm carrying, until their chest is hurting and they don't know why."

[Dominique]

And with the right to carry a concealed weapon comes more people that are willing to carry a concealed weapon Illegally, common sense no?

Not necessarily. There are a large number of people who carry canceled in the US, and can do so legally. Criminals really don't give a damn if its legal or not, they'll do it anyway.

[wildcat]

And with the right to carry a concealed weapon comes more people that are willing to carry a concealed weapon Illegally, common sense no?

now where do you get this information? that quite an assumption, and my guess it is just your opinion not based on fact.

[CanadianStormtrooper]

now where do you get this information? that quite an assumption, and my guess it is just your opinion not based on fact.

I suppose I am just talking about my city

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba (don't make fun of me:P). Uber high native popultion and with a large inner city population, most of them in poverty/drug/violent lifestyles compared to the suburbs where I'm from.
I know for a fact here in my city if it was legal to carry a concealed weapon there would be more deaths by gunshot, and more people carrying one without a license entirely.

[FAS]

Boy, what a wonderful world you live in when all you can hope for is the right to carry a gun around. I carry one for work and see it as a major hinderance, in the way people are intimidated by it. A conceled weapon is a furtherance of poor self control, if you are that afraid, move to the boonies and stop puting your life (carry, conceled or not) above that of everyone else. A weapon for criminal or self defence needs are the same, the week attempting to force their will on those who have no need to impose on others.

[tea drinker]

I don't go to starbucks because it's always full of apple product bearing flaming homos
remids me of the scene in the Sopranos, they are talking about shaking down coffee shops :


Yeah, you know the place I'm talking about.... what's it called?... uh, "buttfvcks".

[gaijinsamurai]

If you think that exercising your right to open carry is "ruining it for the rest of us", I would say that silly attitudes like that is why liberals are so successful in politically intimidating Americans into giving up more and more rights. Never be afraid to defend and exercise your rights. A good example is students in colleges wearing empty holsters to protest weapons bans on campuses. Getting in their faces and making *them* back down is the right way to go. The only rights you are going to keep are the ones you loudly demand, fight for and exercise regularly. They are the only ones you deserve.

Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. I carry a gun probably 80% of the time I'm away from my home, and the only time it's in the open is if I'm in my work uniform, the shooting range, or in the hills.
Just like the dumbasses who showed up at town hall meetings and political rallies with guns last year, and the Montana/Michigan Militia folks who strutted around in BDUs with their SKSs and Mini-14s during the Clinton era, they have learned nothing about the merits of thinking before acting.

I'd suggest you read a little of Sun Tzu's teachings. Especially where he writes about not waging every battle that presents itself.

And I'm never afraid to defend my rights as a gun owner. And I've fought for them too. What about you?

[Snoshi]

Dale Welch recently walked into a Starbucks in Virginia, handgun strapped to his waist, and ordered a banana Frappuccino with a cinnamon bun. He says the firearm drew a double-take from at least one customer, but not a peep from the baristas.
Oh, he a tough dude alright.. Banana Frapuccino! Yeah!

And he calls other hippies..

[IraGlacialis]

When it comes to standing up for your rights, it is. Gandhi, Martin Luther King and many others taught the lesson that we should have learned. I can see here that their lesson fell on many deaf ears.
There is a difference between standing up for your rights, and antagonistically getting in someone's face (which is not what Ghandi nor MLK did; maybe Malcom X). Getting up in someone's face is liable to getting punched in the face. And then it just goes downhill from there.

[Fargin]

Apparently firearms are easier to acquire, than situational awareness. Who the hell deputized this nut?

[SoftLion]

I suppose I am just talking about my city

I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba (don't make fun of me:P). Uber high native popultion and with a large inner city population, most of them in poverty/drug/violent lifestyles compared to the suburbs where I'm from.
I know for a fact here in my city if it was legal to carry a concealed weapon there would be more deaths by gunshot, and more people carrying one without a license entirely.

1. No you dont.
2. Even if there were, would that be objectionable to you if they were due to self defense by citizens against the stereotyped, crime-ridden, and vile "native population", as you describe them? Two sides to the coin, etc.

If open carry is permissible in your state/township/city, end of story. Personally, I think it unnecessary to open carry in a Starbucks to order a latte, in light of CCW laws as they stand, but if that is the way the law is written, write a letter to your State Rep if you find it objectionable.

In the end, I suppose there are responsible and irresponsible ways to exercise your rights. You have the right to yell "****!!!" in front of a woman and her young children, but it doesn't mean that you aren't an asshole, nor does it mean that you are exercising your rights responsibly. Which is why Sea Shepard and Co are douchebags.


Apparently firearms are easier to acquire, than situational awareness. Who the hell deputized this nut?

Indeed, former voucher.

[DesertYote]

You folks should come to Arizona some time. Plenty of people open carrying that I see on a daily basis, and you don't have crazy shoot-outs like some would lead you to believe. The only people that seem upset about it are those from out of state (usually Californians or east-coasters).

D.Y.

[seraosha]

kimujnr, I like you man but you might want to review comments about killing groups of people...I don't think thats what you are about.

Anyway, real men grind their own coffee beans and make their espresso at home on their krupps...who cares if it wakes up the whole house, a quad with cinnimon and whipcream shall not be denied!

[Niall]

Crikey there is a problem in the USA if people are too scared to go to starbucks or university without carrying a gun. I guess its a different world over there!

[Hollis]

Crikey there is a problem in the USA if people are too scared to go to starbucks or university without carrying a gun. I guess its a different world over there!



??, nothing like you imagine. In fact, you are way off.

[Hollis]

kimujnr, I like you man but you might want to review comments about killing groups of people...I don't think thats what you are about.

Anyway, real men grind their own coffee beans and make their espresso at home on their krupps...who cares if it wakes up the whole house, a quad with cinnimon and whipcream shall not be denied!


Quote for the truth..................

[LEGEND]

This woulld probably depend on States/ Counties, but can you go to a bar and have drinks with a gun holstered on your belt? Or is it illegal to carry firearms while consuming alcohol?

[benbach]

This woulld probably depend on States/ Counties, but can you go to a bar and have drinks with a gun holstered on your belt? Or is it illegal to carry firearms while consuming alcohol?

I would hope that people would be smart enough to realize that booze and guns never mix.

I see this stuff in rural NM all the time. I dont see it here in ABQ all the time, which is funny because if there's a place in the world that would make you want to carry a firearm every day, its frackin ABQ.

[Dominique]

This woulld probably depend on States/ Counties, but can you go to a bar and have drinks with a gun holstered on your belt? Or is it illegal to carry firearms while consuming alcohol?

It varies from state to state, but it's probably not a good idea to discharge a firearm after consuming alcohol. I've seen local, state, and federal LE get hemmed up over it, including two were stopping an armed robbery of the sports bar they were in. They tried to hang these guys out to dry.

[Geezah]

I'm pretty neutral on the whole gun debate, but that just seems antagonistic and counterproductive regardless of state/local laws.

Worked in Ohio.

[Geezah]

Crikey there is a problem in the USA if people are too scared to go to starbucks or university without carrying a gun. I guess its a different world over there!

Being able to defend oneself, family or innocent third parties is a problem?

I carry a concealed firearm 99.9% of the time, I'm not scared, just realistic.

[ronnieraygun]

Anyway, real men grind their own coffee beans and make their espresso at home on their krupps...who cares if it wakes up the whole house, a quad with cinnimon and whipcream shall not be denied!

The sound of beans in the grinder is a great cue to start the day. Buying raw beans and roasting them and grinding them yourself is even better, although getting them to roast evenly is not easy.


Crikey there is a problem in the USA if people are too scared to go to starbucks or university without carrying a gun. I guess its a different world over there!

No, that's not it, at all.


Being able to defend oneself, family or innocent third parties is a problem?

I carry a concealed firearm 99.9% of the time, I'm not scared, just realistic.

It's concealed, though. I think the right to bear arms in the US and the constitution in general should be considered somewhere near sacrosanct, but I fail to see where some of these gomers walking around like they're Rosa Parks is helping matters.

[Geezah]

Open carry is a right?

In most States it is.
In Ohio in order to force Gov Tafts hand, there was many an open carry march to get him to act on promises he made both times he was elected to push though CCW.
Gov Taft just continued to move the goal posts and it upset people enough to openly carry, eventually he caved in. He even tried using the OSHP as the reason not to push CCW even though the FOP and Buckeye Sheriff's Assc supported CCW.

Now, while it is legal, you may get other charges thrown at you for your troubles.



I thought the right was to bear arms, why is open carry so important when most people would be more comfortable with CCW?

In Ohio, as I undertsand it, and I don't mind being corrected, but open carry is a right but CCW is a privilege.

[IraGlacialis]

Worked in Ohio.
*shrugs*
I personally won't have an issue with it, but I can still see where there will be a backlash from these folks going around with their open-carry firearms as purposely visible as possible just to see the reaction from the business. And if this backlash happens, likely, the guys with the guns will not be the victims in the eyes of the public.
But we see how this all unfolds.

[ronnieraygun]

*shrugs*
I personally won't have an issue with it, but I can still see where there will be a backlash from these folks going around with their open-carry firearms as purposely visible as possible just to see the reaction from the business. And if this backlash happens, likely, the guys with the guns will not be the victims in the eyes of the public.
But we see how this all unfolds.

I would not think the ones with a head on their shoulders are doing it to get a rise out of business but to exercise their rights publicly with the best intentions in their own minds. The problem is that while most LE likely know the law, the bulk of the encounters probably happen with private security at first. One goes into a mall with open carry and their first contact is a security guard, who is not paid to know the law and is bound by their own procedure - they would probably "trespass" the person to avoid getting fired or written up by their boss. (They would make you sign something that says you can't come back into the mall again) I have some kin in Scioto county and could ask them, but I doubt open carry is much of an issue in their neck of the woods vs. walking into a hobby shop in Parma.

[brainplay]

There is also the possibility that they are desensitizing the citizens of panic when seeing someone carrying a firearm openly. It was something that was done during the Wild West days albeit not a prevalent as most movies made it out to seem. And surprisingly if these cowboy historians are correct, there were alot less gun crime/shootings than there are now (grain of salt to be taken due to population differences).

Dad carried for the longest time. Even after he became handicapped and doesn't go out as much he still carries. He's not looking forward to ever having to use the thing but he's also not going to take the chance that the situation may never arise. While many situations can be avoided, some cannot. And when they happen you'll never have expected you to be the one. Anyone who's ever had anything of value stolen should know that "is this really happening to me" feeling.

Took a few hours for a brother in law to get over that his car had been stolen. Now multiply that feeling for yourself if it had been a carjacking involving a blade/firearm in your face or someone forcing you into a corner and lifting your dress.