M4 With Suppressors attached to them.

[AmericanDude04]

Anybody have any with them being used in Iraq or Afghanistan. Anything posted is much Appreciated.

[MVSpartan117]

Have you looked through Afghanistan section of the photos?

[AmericanDude04]

Yeah I Did but nothing jumped out at me. I'll go back and look through them again.

[catalyst]

http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/video/CDT_08APR03.mpg

CDTs with M4 Suppresed

[AmericanDude04]

Thanks for the link.

[catalyst]

heaps of CDT photos from when the team was clearing Umm Qusar but they have been taken off the RANs website. You do a google search for "CDT IRAQ" or so on, you will see the images in little format but then the link is invalid.

[GazB]

Hehehehe... sorry but I can't help it... a 223 cal weapon with a suppressor is like a Humvee with a racing stripe down its side...

(I don't mean to make fun of the professionals that do use such equipment but the whole idea behind the 223 is velocity... suppressed weapons are more effective with heavy subsonic ammo... or should I say they make more sense when they have heavy slow slugs)

[Herrmannek]

THeir main purpose is hearing protection, esspecialy in CQB...

[MVSpartan117]

Hehehehe... sorry but I can't help it... a 223 cal weapon with a suppressor is like a Humvee with a racing stripe down its side...

(I don't mean to make fun of the professionals that do use such equipment but the whole idea behind the 223 is velocity... suppressed weapons are more effective with heavy subsonic ammo... or should I say they make more sense when they have heavy slow slugs)

Yeah Herrmannek is right

[ChuckThunder]

THeir main purpose is hearing protection, esspecialy in CQB...

Plus its a lot harder to detect the position of a shooter if his shot is around the same dB number as .22 L/R.

[Backis]

Yeah Herrmannek is right

Makes em a bit harder to spot at distance in low-light scenarios too, even if they don't mute the sonic boom (err... crack) they do remove most of the gas release and muzzle flash.

[platform389]

Hehehehe... sorry but I can't help it... a 223 cal weapon with a suppressor is like a Humvee with a racing stripe down its side...


What would really be funny is for me to dump a mag or two with you standing beside me. If you can still hear anything after 30-60 rounds, I will be MOST impressed! rofl

[Undo]

Yeah Herrmannek is right

Makes em a bit harder to spot at distance in low-light scenarios too, even if they don't mute the sonic boom (err... crack) they do remove most of the gas release and muzzle flash.

Plus they stink like amonia and make your eyes burn.

[GazB]

Ummm, first of all I understand what a suppressor is and how it is different from a silencer.

A Humvee isn't a racing car... and M4 is a short carbine... if you want to add length to it with a suppressor why not just use a real full length M16 and get the added benefit of using a high velocity round that actually gets to high velocity in a full length barrel?


THeir main purpose is hearing protection, esspecialy in CQB...

So wouldn't reducing as much noise as possible be a good idea?

A Humvee could be used for racing, but with a lot of modification... makes more sense to use a car that was originally designed for the job than one that wasn't.


Makes em a bit harder to spot at distance in low-light scenarios too, even if they don't mute the sonic boom (err... crack) they do remove most of the gas release and muzzle flash.


What would really be funny is for me to dump a mag or two with you standing beside me. If you can still hear anything after 30-60 rounds, I will be MOST impressed!


Plus its a lot harder to detect the position of a shooter if his shot is around the same dB number as .22 L/R.

Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me. I don't wear hearing protection when hunting with .22lr, and I doubt hearing 30-60 rounds of 22lr would be any worse. So who is speaking from experience and who is just guessing at the performance?

But if platform389 has some real experience with suppressed 5.56mm weapons and knows how they perform I'd be interested in hearing from him/her. In an enclosed space the crack of the round breaking the sound barrier plus the action racking back and forth would not exactly be quiet.
Using a whisper cartridge would make more sence though I realise the US soldiers don't have the same flexibility as their Russian counterparts. (The 9 x 39mm weapons like the AS and VSS, and even the standard AKM with subsonic 193 grain projectiles would be both more quiet and more effective on target than a 5.56mm round from a short barrel and are still in widespread service use... unlike whisper calibre weapons in the US army.)

[Herrmannek]

Gazb soldiers don't have 20 wepons on every occasion... they are issued m4 with 5.56 ammo and it is better for them to stick to it and not making any logistic horror. Also try shooting full auto in confined space without supresor and earplugs(to not disturb sound awarnes so needed in CQB)...or stand next to mate's barell spiting full auto. have you seen BHD, when series from gpmg deafed soldier standing next to gun? Those supresor have limited size and wieght because they are additional equipment, they serve they purpose eliminating most of problems and there is no chance(supersonic round) or need to make them better with cost of weight or size...

[Ballistic]

Ummm, first of all I understand what a suppressor is and how it is different from a silencer.

A Humvee isn't a racing car... and M4 is a short carbine... if you want to add length to it with a suppressor why not just use a real full length M16 and get the added benefit of using a high velocity round that actually gets to high velocity in a full length barrel?


THeir main purpose is hearing protection, esspecialy in CQB...

So wouldn't reducing as much noise as possible be a good idea?

A Humvee could be used for racing, but with a lot of modification... makes more sense to use a car that was originally designed for the job than one that wasn't.


Makes em a bit harder to spot at distance in low-light scenarios too, even if they don't mute the sonic boom (err... crack) they do remove most of the gas release and muzzle flash.


What would really be funny is for me to dump a mag or two with you standing beside me. If you can still hear anything after 30-60 rounds, I will be MOST impressed!


Plus its a lot harder to detect the position of a shooter if his shot is around the same dB number as .22 L/R.

Sounds like a bit of a contradiction to me. I don't wear hearing protection when hunting with .22lr, and I doubt hearing 30-60 rounds of 22lr would be any worse. So who is speaking from experience and who is just guessing at the performance?

But if platform389 has some real experience with suppressed 5.56mm weapons and knows how they perform I'd be interested in hearing from him/her. In an enclosed space the crack of the round breaking the sound barrier plus the action racking back and forth would not exactly be quiet.
Using a whisper cartridge would make more sence though I realise the US soldiers don't have the same flexibility as their Russian counterparts. (The 9 x 39mm weapons like the AS and VSS, and even the standard AKM with subsonic 193 grain projectiles would be both more quiet and more effective on target than a 5.56mm round from a short barrel and are still in widespread service use... unlike whisper calibre weapons in the US army.)

The real question is....who cares ?? And another thing I always notice about you is that it always comes down to US vs Russian equipment...it gets old. All he asked for were pictures of M4's with suppressors, not an indepth comparison of a Humvee and a race car and US equipment and Russian equipment. :roll:

[GazB]

Gazb soldiers don't have 20 wepons on every occasion... they are issued m4 with 5.56 ammo and it is better for them to stick to it and not making any logistic horror.

How silly of me to suggest adapting their weapons better to the roles they are being used for. I mean an upperpart of an M4 style weapon firing a subsonic round would be impossible wouldn't it? I mean with a proper ported barrel then standard 7.62 x 39mm rounds could be fired subsonically... heck even 193 grain bullets could be shipped in to make them even more effective and give that suppressed or silenced option through unported barrels, but no... that would stretch the logistics chain of the worlds only superpower... Afterall every single soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq is issued with a suppressed M4 so they'd all want one wouldn't they?


The real question is....who cares ??

Well since I posted my comment all the subsequent posts seem to have been directed at me or the replies to me, so the answer to your question is posted above.


And another thing I always notice about you is that it always comes down to US vs Russian equipment...it gets old.

Rubbish. I would be happy to discuss Russian weapons without even mentioning equipment from any other country. This website is called "Militaryphotos. net". Not "strictly only US weapons to be discussed".


All he asked for were pictures of M4's with suppressors, not an indepth comparison of a Humvee and a race car and US equipment and Russian equipment.

He posted a request for photos of a particular thing on a DISCUSSION BOARD. I made a comment about the item he requested photos of.

You on the other hand have reposted one of my longer posts on this thread just so that you could tell me I shouldn't be posting on this thread... where are your pictures of suppressed M4s?
At least I was discussing suppressed M4s... you are just criticising me.

[FozzieBear]

gaz i think you should stfu and post this guy some pictures :P

[Backis]

Oh yes, and what an enlightning post it was... :roll:



Hehehehe... sorry but I can't help it... a 223 cal weapon with a suppressor is like a Humvee with a racing stripe down its side...

(I don't mean to make fun of the professionals that do use such equipment but the whole idea behind the 223 is velocity... suppressed weapons are more effective with heavy subsonic ammo... or should I say they make more sense when they have heavy slow slugs)



How silly of me to suggest adapting their weapons better to the roles they are being used for. I mean an upperpart of an M4 style weapon firing a subsonic round would be impossible wouldn't it? I mean with a proper ported barrel then standard 7.62 x 39mm rounds could be fired subsonically... heck even 193 grain bullets could be shipped in to make them even more effective and give that suppressed or silenced option through unported barrels, but no... that would stretch the logistics chain of the worlds only superpower... Afterall every single soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq is issued with a suppressed M4 so they'd all want one wouldn't they?

Read the thread again and understand what an arse you are making out of yourself...

The suppressors are made to protect hearing (and thereby situational awareness) in CQB, not to provide a stealth entry weapon.

Long term injuries like tinnitus is a good thing to avoid as well.

And when you bring up accusing statements against compromised rethorics, perhaps you should crop your own a little better.

GazB statement

...the whole idea behind the 223 is velocity...

GazB statement

I mean with a proper ported barrel then standard 7.62 x 39mm rounds could be fired subsonically... heck even 193 grain bullets could be shipped in to make them even more effective and give that suppressed or silenced option through unported barrels, but no...

Now, what part of your own post about the 5.56 being to light to be effective subsonic didn't you understand?

Your argument in this thread is about bashing the suppressed M4 as being less than optimal (wich it may or may not be, make your own thread about it willya) than contributing this thread.

But I guess you just like building your little strawmen just so you can tear them apart again and pretend to be important... :cantbeli:

[Backis]

gaz i think you should stfu and post this guy some pictures :P

Seconded! http://forum.daves-universe.com/images/smiles/new_all_coholic.gif

[DPGLAW]

Gazb soldiers don't have 20 wepons on every occasion... they are issued m4 with 5.56 ammo and it is better for them to stick to it and not making any logistic horror.

How silly of me to suggest adapting their weapons better to the roles they are being used for. I mean an upperpart of an M4 style weapon firing a subsonic round would be impossible wouldn't it? I mean with a proper ported barrel then standard 7.62 x 39mm rounds could be fired subsonically... heck even 193 grain bullets could be shipped in to make them even more effective and give that suppressed or silenced option through unported barrels, but no... that would stretch the logistics chain of the worlds only superpower... Afterall every single soldier in Afghanistan and Iraq is issued with a suppressed M4 so they'd all want one wouldn't they?


The real question is....who cares ??


Well since I posted my comment all the subsequent posts seem to have been directed at me or the replies to me, so the answer to your question is posted above.


And another thing I always notice about you is that it always comes down to US vs Russian equipment...it gets old.

Rubbish. I would be happy to discuss Russian weapons without even mentioning equipment from any other country. This website is called "Militaryphotos. net". Not "strictly only US weapons to be discussed".


All he asked for were pictures of M4's with suppressors, not an indepth comparison of a Humvee and a race car and US equipment and Russian equipment.

He posted a request for photos of a particular thing on a DISCUSSION BOARD. I made a comment about the item he requested photos of.

You on the other hand have reposted one of my longer posts on this thread just so that you could tell me I shouldn't be posting on this thread... where are your pictures of suppressed M4s?
At least I was discussing suppressed M4s... you are just criticising me.


why be such an ass*hole??? I agree that he just asked for pictures, not a ****in* debate.....

[GazB]

gaz i think you should stfu and post this guy some pictures

Excellent... someone else onthis forum that has posted an opinion about something and not posted a photo of a suppressed M4... I look forward to seeing 12 posts telling him off...

Now that a few more people have made some posts discussing with me how I have ruined this thread I look back and see that the originator of this thread got four replies to his request.. 12 other posts were directed at my little comment that I thought putting silencers on high velocity rifles was amusing.


The suppressors are made to protect hearing (and thereby situational awareness) in CQB, not to provide a stealth entry weapon.

Really? So they are never used to disguise the firing position of the firer in non CQB situations? ...or for any other task at all?


Now, what part of your own post about the 5.56 being to light to be effective subsonic didn't you understand?


And what don't you understand about high velocity rounds in enclosed spaces making quite a bit of noise too? If you want to shoot and even be able to use voice commands subsonic rounds would be even better, but very light subsonic rounds compromise performance... solution... heavier bullets.


But I guess you just like building your little strawmen just so you can tear them apart again and pretend to be important...

What does that mean?


why be such an ass*hole??? I agree that he just asked for pictures, not a f**** debate.....

I made one comment. Without you assholes there wouldn't have been a two page debate... so lets just continue to be assholes together and either a moderator will find this thread and kill it or someone will post some relevant photos. :P :P :P

[MEGR]

Gaz. You know alot about russian weapons, do you know where I can find pics of silenced AKs and such?

As for teh m4s. They are all over the OEF section.

[GazB]

Here we go... the first image actually posted... from me... who'd a thought eh?

http://www.gem-tech.com/Images/m496d-1L.jpg

From http://www.gem-tech.com/m4-96d.html

And another interesting site is:

http://www.surefiresuppressors.com/suppressor_science_intro.html

And:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/knights_m4qd_silencer.html

or you could right click on this link and choose "save as" to down load this report on suppressors for M16A1s but has info on M4 suppressors too:

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/hel556.pdf

...oops having read that pdf it is M4 suppressors fitted to M16A1 rifles, not M4 rifles.

[GazB]

To be honest Devgru77 the best photos I have seen of suppressed and silenced Russian weapons were posted here by Permskiomon.

So I'd suggest you try his new Russianarms website.

[FozzieBear]

i also found that image on google but i was looking for operation images :P didnt find any

[GazB]

Well when the first post in a thread says "Anybody have any with them being used in Iraq or Afghanistan. Anything posted is much Appreciated."

I can tell you I was sorely tempted to post a few screenshots from that Delta Force game Task Force Dagger... :-) but I didn't cause I though that might get me offside with a few people on this thread :roll: :D [/quote]

[Ballistic]

http://www.surefiresuppressors.com/images/image2_large.jpg

http://www.surefiresuppressors.com/images/image1_large.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/M4_Carbine/c_car01.jpg

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/M4_Carbine/troycqb_spc.gif

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2004/may/110504/Counter%20Terrorism/JPAU05MAY03TR030_lo.jpg

http://www.planetrainbowsix.com/modvault/mods/files/resources/predatorL.jpg

http://www.awm.gov.au/iraq/images/large/p04102_080.jpg

http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/images/gallery/120803/BASRAH327_lo.jpg

http://dboy.cpgl.net/USA/M16/M4/knights_photo_5.jpg

http://dboy.cpgl.net/USA/M16/M4/ColtM4A1RightSuppressed.jpg

http://dboy.cpgl.net/USA/M16/M4/cqbr3.jpg

[el_kab0ng]

Christ.... a day can't go by without a freakin East versus West weapons debate around here! :bash:

To even the playing field and to post pictures at the same time, I give you the KRS.

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/krsaimin.jpg

And yes, they make it threaded for the M16 as well (so as not to get anyone's panties in a wad)

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/car15sup.jpg

And of course my favorite NATO weapon...

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/falmitt.jpg

For you guys with ***** envy...

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/barrsup1.jpg

[Bulkowski]

For you guys with ***** envy...

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/barrsup1.jpg
That will go great with my new Ford Excursion p-)

[RFSU]

The supressor is used for several reasons:
1) Yes it does protect your hearing.
2) Although it does not muffle the sonic "crack" it does muffle the initial "report" of the weapon. This reduces they enemys ability to locate the direction from which the weapon was fired.
3) VERY effective flash supressor for which the advantages are pretty obvious.
4) It looks PIMP!

[RFSU]

oh, and that 50cal is bull****.

[Seraphim]

oh, and that 50cal is bull****.

They do have them...

[DPGLAW]

For you guys with ***** envy...

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/barrsup1.jpg
That will go great with my new Ford Excursion p-)

LOL....but I think it would go better in the rear window of your Hummer, H2 of course....:) Modern day shotgun in the back window...

[el_kab0ng]

The .50 is not bull****.

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/la50supp.jpg

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/la50aim.jpg

The Fin's use it mostly as an "environmental noise level reducer"

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/barrsup1.jpg


The well known recoil-action Barrett M82 with model BT8 Telescopic Reflex Suppressor is almost comfortable to shoot, regarding the suppressing effect on noise and the absence of pressure shock on shooter and spotter. Current suppressor model has an integral muzzle brake (not shown in the cut-away drawing of an earlier model) to boost the recoil brake effect. Because a suppressor adds the mass of the recoil action barrel of the M82, some shooters use a stiff spiral spring seen in the photo above between the suppressor and the receiver to further soften the felt recoil.

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/btxgraaf.GIF

[ZoneOne]

Australian ??

if not lemme know who

http://www.defence.gov.au/opfalconer/images/gallery/120803/BASRAH327_lo.jpg

[ctcboy]

Yeah Australian.

[Argyll]

Clearance Diver Team........Aussies

[RFSU]

I stand corrected, I would have thought a suppressor would explode with the amount of force generated from a 50.
Oh well live and learn.
thanks

[ZoneOne]

so are those guys special op's capable ??

that guy looks pretty bad ass

[digrar]

Mostly they are about diving tasks, beach head reconnaissance, ordance disposal, ect. Some are employed within the TAG teams, but that is more about making up the numbers than a need to have CDs on the team.


This is the spiel off the navy site.

Clearance Divers (CDs) are the Australian Defence Forces' specialist divers. CD tasks include but are not limited to the rendering safe and disposal of all ordnance, including missiles, artillery projectiles and air delivered munitions in ships, on land and underwater. Also includes dealing with Improvised Explosive Devices, eg letter bombs, within HMA Ships and Establishments and the demolition of maritime assets.

Clearance Divers undertake all military diving tasks to a depth of 54 metres, however initiatives are underway to conduct diving to 90 metres.

Clearance Diving Teams

a. Maritime Tactical Operations. Duties include diving on pure oxygen and mixed gas equipment. This element trains in small arms, escape and evasion, combat survival and insertion techniques, including parachuting. Tasks vary widely and can include anything from amphibious operations to ordnance disposal in hard to reach targets.

b. Mine Counter Measures. Focuses on the location, identification, rendering safe and disposal of underwater ordnance in areas where conventional mine hunting methods are not feasible.

c. Underwater Battle Damage Repair. Diving on air equipment, both self contained and surface supplied, for the maintenance and repair of ships' underwater fittings and Naval Harbour installations and underwater ranges. This area trains in skills such as underwater welding, non-destructive testing and salvage techniques.