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Derbedeu
03-01-2010, 11:30 AM
Greece Now, U.K. Next as Scots Ready for Pound Plunge

While the eyes of the world focus on Greece’s debt crisis, investors in Edinburgh are busy preparing for the U.K. to be next.

Turcan Connell, which caters to rich families, expects the pound to lose between 20 percent and 30 percent against the dollar once investors turn their sights on Britain as the government sells a record amount of debt. Concern that Greece won’t be able to cut its budget deficit helped send the euro 5 percent lower against the dollar this year.

“Alarm bells were ringing in Greece for a long time and when it happened, it happened very quickly,” Haig Bathgate, head of strategy at Turcan Connell, said at the company’s offices in the Scottish capital. “The U.K. is in a similar predicament. It could be hit very hard.”

Money managers in Edinburgh, where investment decisions have been made on behalf of insurers, pensioners and the wealthy for two centuries, are maneuvering to protect assets from the U.K. economy as it limps out of its worst recession on record.

Bruce Stout, whose Murray International Trust Plc in Edinburgh has doubled over the past five years, said the chance of a plummeting pound are “better than even” and his biggest holdings are in Asia and Latin America. He called sterling a “very vulnerable currency.”

U.K. fund managers at Aegon Asset Management and Scottish Widows Investment Partnership, together responsible for more than 30 billion pounds ($45 billion), said in January they are buying companies that do the bulk of their business abroad.

‘Very Dire’

“When there’s a fiscal crisis, the markets tend to punish that country very quickly,” said Bathgate, who is responsible for 560 million pounds. “I don’t think Britain is in nearly as bad a position as Greece. We’ve got a good taxation system, however the position of the economy is very dire.”

The U.K.’s budget deficit is roughly the same as Greece’s, both exceeding 12 percent of economic output. Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s said last week they may cut Greece’s credit rating as the five-month-old government struggles to curb spending and control its debt.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s government in December increased its planned gilt sales for the financial year ending this month to a record 225.1 billion pounds from the 220 billion pounds announced in April. Moody’s Investors Service said in December the U.K. may “test the Aaa boundaries.”

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The pound may fall below parity with the euro and drop to the lowest level against the dollar since the mid-1980s should the U.K. cut spending too quickly, Mansoor Mohi-Uddin, chief currency strategist at UBS AG, said in a Feb. 24 report.



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aVDvzOH9wSks

Billy No Mates
03-01-2010, 11:34 AM
Tricky,on one hand we owe sh!tloads of money,but on the other at least our currency will be able to find its own level also the labour force is perhaps a bit more pragmatic about what needs to be done and the futility of large strikes or civil unrest .

Lazy Lob
03-01-2010, 12:08 PM
I doubt it. It'll be either Spain or Portugal. Even so Brown is spending so much just to keep himself in power.There is no government plan whatsoever and this is using taxpayers money for party funding. This man is a nutter and we'll be a bunch of bellends if we vote him in. Cameron is just a Westminster clone.

foxtrot023
03-01-2010, 02:05 PM
I doubt it. It'll be either Spain or Portugal. Even so Brown is spending so much just to keep himself in power.There is no government plan whatsoever and this is using taxpayers money for party funding. This man is a nutter and we'll be a bunch of bellends if we vote him in. Cameron is just a Westminster clone.

Trust me, right now there is a MEGA trade being placed against the GBP, advisors are warning to a short GBP against EUR and USD trades being setup.

posa
03-01-2010, 02:05 PM
The UK is in a far trickier position than originally thought, the result of a credit dependent consumer economy. Last I saw about a week ago the inflation rate was still high at about 3.5%.

I know they havent increase our income tax allowance this year by £200, so they're trying to scramble for any tax money they can get their hands on.

Looking pretty dire here and will take a long time to sort

Panchito12
03-01-2010, 02:08 PM
I doubt it. It'll be either Spain or Portugal. Even so Brown is spending so much just to keep himself in power.There is no government plan whatsoever and this is using taxpayers money for party funding. This man is a nutter and we'll be a bunch of bellends if we vote him in. Cameron is just a Westminster clone.

Don't forget Ireland.

While Spain's banking entities are in a whole lot better shape than Greece's, the incompetent El Señor Zapatero (and his drone-like supporters within the Spanish voting population) will ensure that Spain remains bogged down in economic duldrums until the 2012 elections.

foxtrot023
03-01-2010, 02:15 PM
Don't forget Ireland.

While Spain's banking entities are in a whole lot better shape than Greece's, the incompetent El Señor Zapatero (and his drone-like supporters within the Spanish voting population) will ensure that Spain remains bogged down in economic duldrums until the 2012 elections.

agreed. Spain´s problems could be, not solved, but made more palatable with better employment laws nad anyone but this bozo at the helm

Lazy Lob
03-01-2010, 02:29 PM
Trust me, right now there is a MEGA trade being placed against the GBP, advisors are warning to a short GBP against EUR and USD trades being setup.

I've been following it all afternoon. It's backed off a bit right now. But we in the UK are fvcked.

LillaMy
03-01-2010, 03:19 PM
I am going to London for a shopping spree in the autumn...

Connaught Ranger
03-01-2010, 03:27 PM
Don't forget Ireland.


Who could, royally fvcked by the Banks and by the Irish Government.

Connaught Ranger.

foxtrot023
03-01-2010, 03:38 PM
and stay tuned boys and girls for the next episode: Guest stars- Eastern European Nations, and soon to come Japan

Mr.K
03-01-2010, 03:41 PM
and stay tuned boys and girls for the next episode: Guest stars- Eastern European Nations, and soon to come Japan

Eastern Europe is used to all sorts of disasters :)

kalerab
03-01-2010, 05:52 PM
and stay tuned boys and girls for the next episode: Guest stars- Eastern European Nations, and soon to come Japan

What? Our economies are going to crumble again as some of you predicted one and half year ago? Tell that to our friends in Greece in Island.

marktigger
03-02-2010, 02:55 AM
would say Portugal, Ireland,Greece and Spain will be the first three which could destabilise the Euro zone. Britain is a possibility but would sugest the finincal markets won't move till mid summer when they see what the election brings and what the new government is likley to do.

dies irae
03-02-2010, 10:11 AM
and stay tuned boys and girls for the next episode: Guest stars- Eastern European Nations
Yeah, sure... :roll: I heard almost the same a year ago.


And now.
"Poland is by far the country in the EU with the best economic performance in 2009," senior Danske Bank economist Lars Christensen told AFP Thursday. "Its growth was also impressive compared to the global economy."
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/poland-economy.2g9

foxtrot023
03-02-2010, 11:30 AM
Yeah, sure... :roll: I heard almost the same a year ago.


And now.
"Poland is by far the country in the EU with the best economic performance in 2009," senior Danske Bank economist Lars Christensen told AFP Thursday. "Its growth was also impressive compared to the global economy."
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/poland-economy.2g9

I wasn´t speaking about Poland

foxtrot023
03-02-2010, 11:36 AM
would say Portugal, Ireland,Greece and Spain will be the first three which could destabilise the Euro zone. Britain is a possibility but would sugest the finincal markets won't move till mid summer when they see what the election brings and what the new government is likley to do.

Well, you mention 4 states, and the UK is not in the EURO. As I said, right now there is a big move against the pound. The EURO issue will be make or break for the euro as a currency with the greek issue imo. With the Euro, unlike the UK or the US, who can basically just print out more money, there is no devaluation, no printing of money, and the only way to man up is to spend less, increase productivity, change job laws, etc