End British obsession with anti-Israel propaganda

[dracon49]

In recent years, Britain has taken France's dubious place as the nexus of anti-Israel activity in Europe. Muslim anti-Semites, Christian anti-Semites, Jewish anti-Semites and even Israelis have united in an unholy alliance with the aim of giving the Jewish state a rotten smell in the world. With this in mind, it is appropriate to remind Britain of its not-so-splendid heritage, both past and present.

Only 90 years ago, Britain made a commitment to establish a national home for the Jewish people in the land of Israel - for the Jewish people and not for any other people. This commitment was anchored in the San Remo agreement and the borders of the British Mandate. But, despite this promising start, the eastern part of the land of Israel was torn from the national home and the Hashemite family governed there over "the Jordanian people". If there is a "Palestinian people", Jordan is their land.
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Britain even raised and armed in Jordan the Arab Legion, the same army which invaded the young state of Israel and captured Judea and Samaria, which are "the West Bank" only from the Jordanian point of view. Today in the West Bank, United States General Keith Dayton is training and arming the "security forces" of the supposedly demilitarized state of "Palestine".


Now, "friendly" Britain works to give the heart of the land of Israel - which was captured in 1948 by the Arab Legion and in 1993 by Yasser Arafat and the hordes of terrorists who returned under the banner of "peace" during the Oslo peace accords - to "the Palestinian people" who will establish another state, this time in the western part of the land of Israel. Toward this goal, strengthening voices in Britain are calling for an academic boycott on Israel, an economic boycott of Israeli exports to Europe and an end to the Israeli "occupation" of its own land.

One must tell Britain - particularly the English who control Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - that they should truly understand what is before their eyes. Ancient peoples - particularly the Irish - show signs of bitterness against the ongoing British occupation. Also the mediator George Mitchell, a man known well to us, who seemingly ended the war in Northern Ireland, will be exposed in the future as a failure. The Irish people have not truly reconciled themselves to the occupation of the northeastern quarter of their island by the British. Indeed, the Irish also participate in the anti-Israel choir, but their central and ongoing ambition is to end the British occupation of their island. The prevailing calm state of the Irish-British affair is only temporary.

These days, we are also told that the righteous British, the advocates against the Israeli "occupation" in the land of Israel, are attempting to strengthen their hold over the Malvinas Islands (known as the Falklands to the British) and are searching for oil there. These are islands thousands of kilometers from Britain which were captured from the Argentineans in the 19th century and again in1982. Today, all Latin American countries support the Argentine position that the islands belong to Argentina and even U.S. support of the ongoing British occupation has weakened compared to the past.

Britain, with a growing Muslim population that continues to expand, is an example of European hypocrisy. It is not the only one. It is right to expose Britain's shameful actions and to neutralize its threatening anti-Israel propaganda. British and European support for a Palestinian state, as well as Britain's and Europe's hypocritical hesitancy to act against Muslim terrorism, contradict British and European interests. This is the line that needs to be taken by Israeli representatives overseas.

The author is a former chairman of Professors for a Strong Israe

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1153375.html


It's a good article(that was published in a left-wing site ,not right-wing...) that shows the hypocricy.

[CMNot]

End dracon49 obsession with anti-British propaganda.

[Billy No Mates]

What a load of bollocks,i thought only our tabloids were so full of it .

[rgjbloke]

dracon49, what a load of trolling shyte. This thread should be locked.

[Dexx]

He plays the guilt card quite nicely.

[Panchito12]

In before the lock!!!woot

[dracon49]

Why are you mad? I didn't write this article, i copied it from Haaretz.

[pugwash]

This only serves to alienate and marginalise supporters of Israel in the UK, you live surrounded by enemies and you want to make more?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

This only serves to alienate and marginalise supporters of Israel in the UK, you live surrounded by enemies and you want to make more?

It's a Hebrew thing...I mean, these are the decendants of the folks who so P***ed-off the Roman Empire they got exiled from their land ~2000 years ago. p-):roll:

Seriously, the article is a fine whine along with more than a few mis-representations (the original borders of isreal in 1948 never included the West Bank/Judea-Samaria) does the Israeli cause no good IMHO.

YMMV. Press on.

[RoyB]

It's a Hebrew thing...I mean, these are the decendants of the folks who so P***ed-off the Roman Empire they got exiled from their land ~2000 years ago. p-):roll:
That's just stupid and in bad taste.

[bluffcove]

Im not anti Jew.
Im not even particularly anti Israeli
I do however dislike nationalism that treats its own citizens as second class.

Stinks of Ghettoes and Warsaw a bit much for my liking!

[Chimera]

This thread needs to be locked immediately.

[Nepeccel]

Is it just me or does dracon49 post a lot of rubbish like this?

[Niall]

Haha what a tool. End anti-British propaganda with people so stupid they forget that England does not 'occupy' the British Isles at all. Israel is fantastic at becoming butthurt over nothing and calling everyone around them as anti-semite and bias. Good day!

[Octavariable]

Is it just me or does dracon49 post a lot of rubbish like this?

Lets just say only a handful of his 1,617 posts, and counting, were actually relevant.

[coltfan111]

The "English occupation" thing always cracks me up. This has to be the sh1test article posted on here for a while.

[Atlantic Friend]

It is right to expose Britain's shameful actions and to neutralize its threatening anti-Israel propaganda. British and European support for a Palestinian state, as well as Britain's and Europe's hypocritical hesitancy to act against Muslim terrorism, contradict British and European interests.

Oh, boy.


These days, we are also told that the righteous British, the advocates against the Israeli "occupation" in the land of Israel, are attempting to strengthen their hold over the Malvinas Islands (known as the Falklands to the British) and are searching for oil there. These are islands thousands of kilometers from Britain which were captured from the Argentineans in the 19th century and again in1982. Today, all Latin American countries support the Argentine position that the islands belong to Argentina and even U.S. support of the ongoing British occupation has weakened compared to the past.

Oh Lord.


Also the mediator George Mitchell, a man known well to us, who seemingly ended the war in Northern Ireland, will be exposed in the future as a failure. The Irish people have not truly reconciled themselves to the occupation of the northeastern quarter of their island by the British. Indeed, the Irish also participate in the anti-Israel choir, but their central and ongoing ambition is to end the British occupation of their island. The prevailing calm state of the Irish-British affair is only temporary.

Oh Dear God.

[martinexsquaddie]

actually we offered the same land to the arabs.
but it is true we control scotland wales and ireland mwhahahhahaahaahha:)

[IDF_TANKER]

Dracon is a moronity race front-runner on this forum. Everyone who thought to seriously respond to his post is right behind him on the track.


It's a Hebrew thing...I mean, these are the decendants of the folks who so P***ed-off the Roman Empire they got exiled from their land ~2000 years ago. p-):roll:

Seriously, the article is a fine whine along with more than a few mis-representations (the original borders of isreal in 1948 never included the West Bank/Judea-Samaria) does the Israeli cause no good IMHO.

YMMV. Press on.


Im not anti Jew.
Im not even particularly anti Israeli
I do however dislike nationalism that treats its own citizens as second class.

Stinks of Ghettoes and Warsaw a bit much for my liking!

The gold medal between both of you and him can be only resolved by the photo-finish.

[ting]

rofl
Hm, the authors sense of reality and world affairs seem to be a bit of off.

[GB_FXST]

It's a Hebrew thing...I mean, these are the decendants of the folks who so P***ed-off the Roman Empire they got exiled from their land ~2000 years ago. p-):roll:

Seriously, the article is a fine whine along with more than a few mis-representations (the original borders of isreal in 1948 never included the West Bank/Judea-Samaria) does the Israeli cause no good IMHO.

YMMV. Press on.

1. Real life is not a Monty Python skit. As much as I enjoy the Life of Brian, it is not a historical reference.

2. The article is refering to the 1917 Balfour Declaration which encompassed the entire British Mandate of Palestine, which includes present day Jordan. Also, the 1948 border is the armstice line following Israel's War of Independence. I think you want to reference the 1947 UN Partition Plan.



rofl
Hm, the authors sense of reality and world affairs seem to be a bit of off.

Tis a common problem with most articles published by Haaretz.

[ggk]

Oh, boy.



Oh Lord.



Oh Dear God.

you mix the word Lord, God and Boy in one post.

[Steak-Sauce]

End British obsession with anti-Israel propaganda

Shame on Ze Brits, Les French, and the rest of this European bunch of left-wing arab-loving Israel-hating governments!

[Stainless Steel Rat]

I see that royB and DF Tanker do not appreciate my subtle posting style either...but I'll make just one response, since your's seems to be the most on-point.


1. Real life is not a Monty Python skit. As much as I enjoy the Life of Brian, it is not a historical reference.

Nor was I referring to that film, but the well-known Jewish revolt against Roman rule 66-72AD, which led to the Destruction of the Second Temple, the Siege of Masada, and the Diaspora and the beginning of the end of the Jewish predominance in the land of isreal until 1947-48. Perhaps I was more tongue-in-cheek than necessary, but the ancestors of todays' Jews did indeed revolt against Rome, and were brutally (the Romans were usually not harsh if the provinces stayed in line, but ruthless when it came to revolts) massacred, starved, and scattered.


2. The article is refering to the 1917 Balfour Declaration which encompassed the entire British Mandate of Palestine, which includes present day Jordan. Also, the 1948 border is the armstice line following Israel's War of Independence. I think you want to reference the 1947 UN Partition Plan.

Mea culpa, I was indeed thinking of the "original" borders of the 1947 UN Plan, not Balfour, and you make a very valid point. One could (and does) get into a tangle with the shifting borders and claims in the region over the centuries (heck, even Isrealis disagree on exactly what should be Israel and what shouldn't be (see Judea and Samaria).

It is a puzzlement. I am still of the opinion that the United States should have offered the Jews a homeland...and given them Iowa (What?!? What?!?!) :roll::):):)p-)

[GB_FXST]

I see that royB and DF Tanker do not appreciate my subtle posting style either...but I'll make just one response, since your's seems to be the most on-point.



Nor was I referring to that film, but the well-known Jewish revolt against Roman rule 66-72AD, which led to the Destruction of the Second Temple, the Siege of Masada, and the Diaspora and the beginning of the end of the Jewish predominance in the land of isreal until 1947-48. Perhaps I was more tongue-in-cheek than necessary, but the ancestors of todays' Jews did indeed revolt against Rome, and were brutally (the Romans were usually not harsh if the provinces stayed in line, but ruthless when it came to revolts) massacred, starved, and scattered.

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Good post.

I was being a bit unfair with my Monty Ponthy reference, and I apologize for that.

Your post above captures the point that the Jews were victims of a brutal policy.




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It is a puzzlement. I am still of the opinion that the United States should have offered the Jews a homeland...and given them Iowa (What?!? What?!?!) :roll::):):)p-)

Iowa???

Its already Florida by default (with my apologies for plagerizing Ron White)... :)

[Atlantic Friend]

you mix the word Lord, God and Boy in one post.

"Lord Godboy" is us obsessed and threatening anti-Israelis' secret password that Haaretz hasn't discovered yet!

Honestly the article is appallingly bad. I'd understand if it was a letter from the readers, but this, an article? In a respected paper to boot?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Good post.

I was being a bit unfair with my Monty Ponthy reference, and I apologize for that.

Por Nada.


Your post above captures the point that the Jews were victims of a brutal policy.

At the risk of rekindling an argument, while there was no doubt that the Romans were brutal (most Empires are), I would note that (1) It was the Jews who decided to revolt, thus incurring Roman wrath, so I wouldn't call them victims per se---to borrow from the US Revolution, they took a "Live Free or Die" position and the Romans said, in effect, "Ok, Die."

At least they survived as a people, which is more than some other groups under Rome did. And Rome acted in what it saw as Rome's best interests...as do all Empires and states today (And if I recall my Chronicles and Kings from the Old Testament correctly, early Isreal was not immune to a bit of slaughter along it's borders now and then....


Iowa???

Its already Florida by default (with my apologies for plagerizing Ron White)... :)

True, but the rest of America would miss Florida...I'm not sure Iowans would miss Iowa....

[Synthe]

haha what a tool. End anti-british propaganda with people so stupid they forget that england does not 'occupy' the british isles at all. Israel is fantastic at becoming butthurt over nothing and calling everyone around them as anti-semite and bias. Good day!

shush it!! You'll might get an infraction.

[Britishhawk]

Are you Jewish? Cause you Is-raeli hot!

[happyslapper]

how Dracon49 has survived so long on this site is a mystery to me.

[ting]

how Dracon49 has survived so long on this site is a mystery to me.

Comic relief....

[dracon49]

how Dracon49 has survived so long on this site is a mystery to me.
As far as i know ,i didn't violate any law by posting this article. If the article was on a different country you wouldn't care...

[Kaplanr]

It's also Haaretz's chance to say they gave = time to a reactionary guest columnist.

[happyslapper]

As far as i know ,i didn't violate any law by posting this article. If the article was on a different country you wouldn't care...

Like most British people, I couldn't give a toss about Israel. It's like watching a riot in a nearby council estate. Tut tut, somebody put the kettle on please...

Interesting you speak of law though, we have this whole thing of freedom of speech, which the author apparently isn't too keen on.
It's only a few days since you proved your complete ignorance in a thread on the Falklands, then promptly retracted your comment. Now your pedalling the same ignorance?
The articles only value is for it's perplexing oddities, which as Ting says, is much like your continued presence on our screens.

[Chimera]

As far as i know ,i didn't violate any law by posting this article. If the article was on a different country you wouldn't care...

The fact that you agree with this piece of "journalism" should suffice to embarrass yourself.

[dracon49]

Like most British people, I couldn't give a toss about Israel. It's like watching a riot in a nearby council estate. Tut tut, somebody put the kettle on please...

Interesting you speak of law though, we have this whole thing of freedom of speech, which the author apparently isn't too keen on.
It's only a few days since you proved your complete ignorance in a thread on the Falklands, then promptly retracted your comment. Now your pedalling the same ignorance?
The articles only value is for it's perplexing oddities, which as Ting says, is much like your continued presence on our screens.
Probably you and many British wouldn't care, but your media gives a toss about Israel...too much toss..

[coltfan111]

"Too much toss"..classic. I think this one needs a lock.