Will Afghanistan and Iraq ever end?

[instantmilkshake]

Our troops were told that they would be there (Afghanistan & Iraq) until the war ends. With all this insurgent/terrorist/aholes stuff going on, when are we going to be out of that sh*t hole?

[BlackRain]

In both cases, after Iraq and A-stan have democratic elections; US forces will be removed or decreased.

Certainly, capturing some top terrorists like Osama and al-Zawahiri would speed things along.

I know most Americans don't want to spend a nanosecond longer than necessary in either of those two countries.

I would estimate 2006.

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I think there will be a presence there of some kind for a long time. The US *might* keep somekind of base there but, since muslims seem to hate habing infadel soldiers in any part of arabia so much the task of security might be handed over to an arab country. If the US can break the habit of a lifetime by letting go of the black gold.

[instantmilkshake]

Will Iraq ever be a strong nation? Will they at least cap down the terrorism? This may take a long time and alot of oil and US contracts.

[Pille1234]

In both cases, after Iraq and A-stan have democratic elections; US forces will be removed or decreased.

The election process in Afghanistan is getting more and more uncertain. Even if there'll be some kind of election the security and stability will not improve. 10 years sounds realistic to me, maybe longer.

[Ratamacue]

US troops will be in Iraq and Afghanistan until the job is done. That's as sure an answer as you can get on how long it will be.

[Secret Squirrel]

In both cases, after Iraq and A-stan have democratic elections; US forces will be removed or decreased.

The election process in Afghanistan is getting more and more uncertain. Even if there'll be some kind of election the security and stability will not improve. 10 years sounds realistic to me, maybe longer.

yea 10 years from the inital invasions sounds about right.

[memphiz]

They'll be out of Afghanistan before they are out of Iraq

[Siddar]

My bet is fighting will be over in both countrys by 2008.

Everyone place your bets. :D

[mlrs84]

My bet is fighting will be over in both countrys by 2008.

Everyone place your bets. :D
As long as the West tries to press its policies, culture, laws and economy upon these countries, there will be a conflict. The rebels are only trying to protect their own interests. No matter how absurd you may find this, everyone has a right to defend their country when it's invaded. Including Iraq, Afghanistan and all other nations on the US bad list. I don't think the fighting will be over in either place before the "Coalission of Willing" :roll: completely withdraw.
Imagine this situation: the year is 1972. The USSR has defeated US forces, and is declearing the US to be a Soviet Republic. Would you just have sitten there? I bet you would do exactly what the natives of Iraq and Afghanistan are doing right now.

[Siddar]

My bet is fighting will be over in both countrys by 2008.

Everyone place your bets. :D
As long as the West tries to press its policies, culture, laws and economy upon these countries, there will be a conflict. The rebels are only trying to protect their own interests. No matter how absurd you may find this, everyone has a right to defend their country when it's invaded. Including Iraq, Afghanistan and all other nations on the US bad list. I don't think the fighting will be over in either place before the "Coalission of Willing" :roll: completely withdraw.
Imagine this situation: the year is 1972. The USSR has defeated US forces, and is declearing the US to be a Soviet Republic. Would you just have sitten there? I bet you would do exactly what the natives of Iraq and Afghanistan are doing right now.

You could make the same statement your makeing in regards to Germany and Japan at end of ww2.

History is full of examples of people being invaded by others and living with it. In fact that is what most would consider the main theme of the history of the human race.

The left wing concept of the invinceable third world gurillia is a fantasy that US will bury in Iraq and and Afghanistan.

They will fight and they will loose and then in end everyone will get on with there lifes except those that died.

[Secret Squirrel]

You could make the same statement your makeing in regards to Germany and Japan at end of ww2.

History is full of examples of people being invaded by others and living with it. In fact that is what most would consider the main theme of the history of the human race.

The left wing concept of the invinceable third world gurillia is a fantasy that US will bury in Iraq and and Afghanistan.

They will fight and they will loose and then in end everyone will get on with there lifes except those that died.

Japan and Germany arent good examples, as both countries had just endured a long World War. Also, was there any significant post-war insurgency in either Japan or Germany? And please, regarding Germany, dont shout out "Werewolves" as their, more or less, only claim to fame was an assassination that occured before Germany surrendered. So, got any better examples?

[Sayeret]

US troops will be in Iraq and Afghanistan until the job is done. That's as sure an answer as you can get on how long it will be.

Probably one of the best answers I've heard.


Japan and Germany arent good examples, as both countries had just endured a long World War. Also, was there any significant post-war insurgency in either Japan or Germany? And please, regarding Germany, dont shout out "Werewolves" as their, more or less, only claim to fame was an assassination that occured before Germany surrendered. So, got any better examples?

Modern day Vietnam, Russo-Japanese war, the United Kingdom's vast control of many countries before it gave them independence, Boer war (started with a guerilla war but still ended), Seven Weeks' War, vast amounts of land taken over by the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Mongolians, and many other empires (parts of their empires didn't carry out guerilla wars.)

Secret Squirrel I can't look up and write down every war that ended without a guerilla war because I don't have enough time. Just look up a little mililtary history yourself, you'll learn more about military history that way then you will from me naming off wars. Don't let you dislike of Bush and his policies make you into an ignorant person.

[Siddar]

Afghanistan had went through 20+ year of warfare. Iraq had as well to a lesser degree.

The point is the idea that you will always see resistance and that that said resistance will go on forever unless invaders withdraw is not suported by history.

It is a posable outcome but not the only are likely outcome.

[mobster]

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Dude, it's not a 9-5 job. This **** will be over when every one of those mother ****ing pigs responsible are dead. Wake up, this is not a Bruce Willis film, you just don't decide to kill the "bad guys" and it's over. There will be deaths on our side and we will also eradicate as many of these muslim bastards as possible. But this will continue probably until you have kids, and you will want the same thing as the rest of us, total freedom to do whatever you want without the fear of a raghead disrupting your day with a BOMB.
. By the way, call my racist, or accuse me of discrimination, I don't care, I don't want another 9/11 again.

[ShadowNeo]

Dude, it's not a 9-5 job. This **** will be over when every one of those mother f*** pigs responsible are dead. Wake up, this is not a Bruce Willis film, you just don't decide to kill the "bad guys" and it's over. There will be deaths on our side and we will also eradicate as many of these muslim bastards as possible. But this will continue probably until you have kids, and you will want the same thing as the rest of us, total freedom to do whatever you want without the fear of a raghead disrupting your day with a BOMB.
. By the way, call my racist, or accuse me of discrimination, I don't care, I don't want another 9/11 again.

May I call you an Asshole then, or perhaps, a total ****wit? People like you are just as bad as those extremists.

[instantmilkshake]

Oh boy this is getting ugly... gentlemen.. please remember who is the enemy. BTW who is the enemy?

[Secret Squirrel]

Modern day Vietnam, Russo-Japanese war, the United Kingdom's vast control of many countries before it gave them independence, Boer war (started with a guerilla war but still ended), Seven Weeks' War, vast amounts of land taken over by the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Mongolians, and many other empires (parts of their empires didn't carry out guerilla wars.)

Umm what the **** do those countries/conflicts have to do with perceived Christian armies trying to bring democracy to Islamic countries? Did you even understand what you were trying to respond to? ;)




Secret Squirrel I can't look up and write down every war that ended without a guerilla war because I don't have enough time. Just look up a little mililtary history yourself, you'll learn more about military history that way then you will from me naming off wars. Don't let you dislike of Bush and his policies make you into an ignorant person.

The point of Germany and Japan being poor examples was that there was no insurgency. However, there is an insurgency in Iraq. After a short invasion the real Iraq war began and its still continuing. And what the **** does Bush have to do with this? Why hell do you even care about Bush and Kerry? Shouldnt you be off starting another topic that's been beaten to death about how Kerry hates America or how Kerry compares Iraq to Vietnam to empower the insurgents/terrorists? :roll:

[Sayeret]

Umm what the f*** do those countries/conflicts have to do with perceived Christian armies trying to bring democracy to Islamic countries? Did you even understand what you were trying to respond to?

I believe you were saying that you can't take over a country and hold it without guerilla resistance but I might have been wrong since I read the topic pretty late at night.


And what the f*** does Bush have to do with this?

Nothing to my knowledge but last time I checked this is militaryphotos.net not a political site.


Why hell do you even care about Bush and Kerry?

Why do you care so much about them?


Shouldnt you be off starting another topic that's been beaten to death about how Kerry hates America or how Kerry compares Iraq to Vietnam to empower the insurgents/terrorists?

I don't hate Kerry and I don't think Kerry hates America. I never wrote an article talking about how Kerry hates America so don't put me in the group of people who believe that because I don't. The main reason I don't agree with Kerry is I don't like his stance on terrorism if Joe Lieberman was running for President then you would see I'm not as biased towards one side. Realize that I supported the war before President Bush even mentioned it and I would have supported it if Clinton had wanted to invade Iraq.

[aartamen]

There was never anything here. Anyone who says otherwise is a traitor.

[aartamen]

It will be over when we win. If we (God forbid) lose, it will go on.