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SeanAshi
07-22-2004, 03:58 PM
Fervently anti-war, Carlos Delgado quietly carried out his personal protest this season, refusing to stand when "God Bless America" was played at ballparks across the majors. Most fans never saw him disappearing up the dugout tunnel or staying on the bench. And even teammates who disagreed with the Toronto slugger's political stance accepted his right to call the United States' invasion of Iraq "the stupidest war ever."

This week, though, a lot more people noticed.
The Blue Jays played at Yankee Stadium for the first time this year on Wednesday night. It's the only park in the majors where "God Bless America" has been played every game since the Sept. 11 attacks, a place where active military members are still admitted free.

"I don't think that will be received too well," Yankees manager Joe Torre predicted Wednesday before the opener of the two-game series. "Just when Bob Sheppard starts announcing ‘God Bless America,' they start applauding. If you do call attention to that, it won't be popular."

It sure wasn't.

Delgado was greeted with scattered boos each time he batted — no telling whether that was related to his off-the-field opinions, or his status as an opposing star.

But there were brief chants of "USA! USA!" when he lined out in the top of the seventh. During a moment of silence before Kate Smith's rendition of "God Bless America" was played during the seventh-inning stretch, derisive shouts were made in his direction.

True to form, Delgado was nowhere to be seen. He left the dugout when the last out was made in the top of the seventh, and headed to the clubhouse, and was removed from the game with the Blue Jays trailing by seven runs.

Delgado politely declined to elaborate before Wednesday night's game, though he said he stood by his previous comments. After the 10-3 loss, he deferred when asked about his remarks and the crowd reaction.

"No, I will not talk about it. Is that OK? Thank you," he said.

While big leaguers usually come to the top step of the dugout or on to the field to stand in silence during "God Bless America," Delgado does not make a public show of his stance.

In fact, until the first baseman spoke about the issue in early July to the Toronto Star, many people were not aware of how strongly he felt.

"It's a very terrible thing that happened on Sept. 11. It's (also) a terrible thing that happened in Afghanistan and Iraq," Delgado said at the time. "I just feel so sad for the families that lost relatives and loved ones in the war.

"But I think it's the stupidest war ever. Who are you fighting against? You're just getting ambushed now. We have more people dead now after the war than during the war," he said. "I don't support what they do. It's just stupid."

Delgado, from Puerto Rico, also opposed the U.S. military's longtime use of the Puerto Rican island of Vieques for weapons testing.

Delgado's opinion became more well known to New York fans in a column in The New York Times on Wednesday. In it, he said, "It takes a man to stand up for what he believes."

"I am not pro-war; I'm anti-war," he said. "I'm for peace."

Commissioner Bud Selig said he understood Delgado's position and that it was a sensitive subject. Selig said he'd like to talk to the Blue Jays' franchise leader in home runs and RBIs about the issue.

Other athletes have taken similar approaches.

NBA guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf of the Denver Nuggets would not stand for the national anthem during the 1995-96 season, which led to an indefinite suspension that was lifted two days later.

Division III basketball player Toni Smith of the Manhattanville women's team attracted attention for refusing to face the flag during the national anthem in the 2002-03 season.

Most ballparks generally play "God Bless America" on Sunday and holidays, but the Yankees do it at every game. It comes on after Sheppard, the stadium's longtime public-address announcer, reads a remembrance to the people serving in the military.

There was a chance during this series, Delgado realized, that he might make the final out in the top of the seventh and be on the field when the tribute begins.

"This is my personal feeling. I don't want to draw attention to myself or go out of my way to protest," Delgado told the Times. "If I make the last out of the seventh inning, I'll stand there. But I'd rather be in the dugout."

Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi said the team has not gotten any reaction from fans about Delgado's position. Team president Paul Godfrey has said he respects Delgado's opinion but opposes his political view.

Standing in the box seats, Yankees fan Barry Phillips disagreed with Delgado, but said he would not boo him.

"I think it's totally disrespectful," he said shortly before gametime. "It's a slap directly in my face, as a New Yorker and an American."

Shake n Bake
07-22-2004, 04:34 PM
Send his ass back to Puerto Rico

Operation Ivy
07-22-2004, 04:44 PM
bah hes not that good anymore

anonymous individual
07-22-2004, 04:55 PM
Burn his @$$.

Cactuar
07-22-2004, 05:31 PM
Sob sob he didn't stand up for the national anthem. It's his right. I still respect Yankee fans though. They are truly moderate, booing Cheney and Delgado. :P

Ratamacue
07-22-2004, 05:33 PM
Sob sob he didn't stand up for the national anthem. It's his right. I still respect Yankee fans though. They are truly moderate, booing Cheney and Delgado. :P
Welcome to New York, man.

Cactuar
07-22-2004, 05:52 PM
Damn I'm so stupid. "God Bless America" not the "Star-Spangled Banner". :cantbeli: :slap: Wait in this case, why is it even a big deal?

WolverineBlue
07-22-2004, 05:57 PM
Not quite sure why "God Bless America" is still played. For some reason, that song makes me want to rip my ears off...I love the national anthem though.

SpazzMunky
07-22-2004, 07:27 PM
He can do what he wants.....not the national anthem, so I don't really care.

moughoun
07-22-2004, 07:48 PM
So he is not allow a personal opinion now, why because he's famous?, or just because you don't agree with it?

stuntman
07-22-2004, 07:55 PM
Send his ass back to Puerto Rico
As a Puerto Rican I am truly ashamed by his behavior! Please my apology to a country who stands and is willing to die for greatness, for it has giving this greatness to my Grandparents and rest of my family after my Grandad came back from ww2 ALIVE!
Weep em man it's America!

moughoun
07-22-2004, 08:00 PM
So "Home of the brave, land of the Free is just for the tourist's is it?[/i]

Operation Ivy
07-22-2004, 08:21 PM
Send his ass back to Puerto Rico
As a Puerto Rican I am truly ashamed by his behavior! Please my apology to a country who stands and is willing to die for greatness, for it has giving this greatness to my Grandparents and rest of my family after my Grandad came back from ww2 ALIVE!
Weep em man it's America!

Well that means u gotta apologize to lots of ppl for the stuff u said in the photo section

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
07-22-2004, 08:33 PM
Its his call in the end, if he choose's not too then he has to deal with the consequences.

stuntman
07-22-2004, 08:36 PM
Send his ass back to Puerto Rico
As a Puerto Rican I am truly ashamed by his behavior! Please my apology to a country who stands and is willing to die for greatness, for it has giving this greatness to my Grandparents and rest of my family after my Grandad came back from ww2 ALIVE!
Weep em man it's America!

Well that means u gotta apologize to lots of ppl for the stuff u said in the photo section
Well I will not apologize for things I said in reply to anti Americanisms!
If I have offended you in any way please point it out and I will instantly apologize for I find you to be one of the few who actually post with constant honor!

ronin2172
07-22-2004, 08:43 PM
he stands during the national anthem he chooses not to stand during god bless america....that's his choice no big deal....

SeanAshi
07-22-2004, 08:44 PM
So he is not allow a personal opinion now, why because he's famous?, or just because you don't agree with it?He's a baseball player, he gets paid to play ball So he should shut up about Bush and America.

ronin2172
07-22-2004, 08:48 PM
^what does that matter...so a teacher should have no opinion? a doctor can't speak his mind....he is a human and has the right to say whatever he wants,,,that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard....but if he was running around the field waving the flag and stripping down to a star spangled jockstrap u would b saying he is the greatest.... :cantbeli:

Cactuar
07-22-2004, 08:50 PM
So he is not allow a personal opinion now, why because he's famous?, or just because you don't agree with it?He's a baseball player, he gets paid to play ball So he should shut up about Bush and America.

Why should he shut up just because he's a baseball player? If he that passionate about the subject he has the right to say what he feels.

Should Lance shut up too?


Once we settle down to talk at a long wooden table, we are swapping stories about George W. Bush, his fellow Texan. We agree that our politics are different to Bush's, but that the President is smarter, funnier and more likeable than the caricature. Even Sheryl, whose politics Armstrong describes as "way out Left", says that it's hard to meet Bush and not like him. I had assumed, because he and Bush were Texans and I'd seen pictures of them laughing and joking in the Oval Office, that Armstrong was a Republican. But he says his politics are "middle to Left". He is "against mixing up State and Church, not keen on guns, pro women's right to choose". And very anti war in Iraq.

So the "summit" has begun and here I am, thinking that I'd be getting hours of top-quality insight for my triathlon training, and, instead, it's like I am back in my old job, defending military action, defending the Bush-Blair relationship, insisting we did the right thing and saying, long term, it will make the world a safer place. But Armstrong is screwing up his face and he won't have it. "I don't like what the war has done to our country, to our economy," he says. "My kids will be paying for this war for some time to come. George Bush is a friend of mine and just as I say it to you, I'd say to him, 'Mr President, I'm not sure this war was such a good idea', and the good thing about him is he could take that."

http://lancearmstrongfanclub.com/uktimesonline.html

p-)

haha

SeanAshi
07-22-2004, 08:58 PM
When someone says somthing you don't like...what is the usual reply? Shut up

Cactuar
07-22-2004, 09:01 PM
Or you ignore them.

NcDeuce
07-23-2004, 01:50 AM
Came over from Puerto Rico. Has played in the MLB for 12 years, quite successful career. He's made millions and millions of dollars. Ungrateful schmuck, show some respect.