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Ordie
03-14-2010, 11:31 AM
Some Palestinian Jordanians Lose Citizenship
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN
AMMAN, Jordan — Muhannad Haddad grew up here, went to school here, got a job in a bank here and traveled to foreign countries with a passport from here. Then one day the authorities said he was no longer Jordanian, and with that one stroke they took away his citizenship and compromised his ability to travel, study, work, seek health care, buy property or even drive.

The authorities effectively told him they were doing it for his own good. They said that like thousands of other Jordanians of Palestinian descent, he was being stripped of his citizenship to preserve his right to someday return to the occupied West Bank or East Jerusalem.

“They gave me a paper that said, ‘You are now Palestinian,’ ” he said, recalling the day three years ago that his life changed.

In a report titled “Stateless Again,” issued last month, Human Rights Watch said that 2,700 people in Jordan lost their citizenship from 2004 to 2008, and that at least another 200,000 remained vulnerable, largely those who moved abroad at some point in search of work.

The government says it is trying to help by requiring Jordanians of Palestinian descent who fled the West Bank or Jerusalem after the war in 1967 to keep their Israeli documents valid. This has become a more urgent matter recently, political analysts and government officials said, with the accession of a right-wing Israeli government and its ultraconservative foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman.

“It is no secret that some elements in Israel would like to see the Palestinian areas without the people,” said Nabil Sharif, Jordan’s minister of state and a government spokesman. “We do not want to be party to this.”

Critics and human rights advocates, however, see a different motivation. They said the Jordanian government acted to preserve its own interest, trying to appease non-Palestinian Jordanians concerned about the growing economic and political influence of citizens of Palestinian descent, a charge Mr. Sharif denied. They say it also appears that Jordan is frightened by talk of declaring Jordan a Palestinian homeland as an alternative to a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.

The critics accuse the government of acting in an arbitrary manner, frequently dividing families between citizens and noncitizens, sometimes based on the timing of their birth, and for not offering effective avenues to appeal of decisions on citizenship.

For years now, Jordanian officials have expressed concern for preserving the demographic balance in a nation of six million people, divided about evenly between those from the East Bank of the Jordan River — considered original Jordanians — and those from the West Bank.

“The government is not doing this to support the Palestinians in their right of return,” said Fawzi Samhouri, director of a human rights organization in Amman, Jordan’s capital. Rather, he said, the government is responding to domestic political pressures because “some people think these procedures will reduce the percentage of the population that is of Palestinian origin.”

In interviews, seven Palestinian men who lost their citizenship described a similar chain of events. They said it was during a routine interaction with the state — renewing a driver’s license, a passport or a document that proved one’s military service. In each case, they said, a clerk typed the person’s name, or a family member’s name, into a computer and told the applicant that there was a problem and that he needed to go to the Interior Ministry’s Follow-up and Inspection Office.

Jordanians of Palestinian descent know what it means to be sent to that office. It is almost never good.

Amran al-Tarsha, 29, said the agent in the office took all his documents, put them in a drawer and closed it.

“He told me to go home,” Mr. Tarsha said.

Muhammad Ramadan, 23, said everyone in his family lost their citizenship when his father applied for identification card for his sister. For her, he said, that meant that a university education was no longer affordable because noncitizens pay higher tuition fees. His brother now cannot work in his profession, as a pharmacist, because only citizens are allowed into the professional union. And he said he could not get a job with the government because only citizens could work for the government.

“I’m Palestinian-Jordanian,” he said. “I have never been to Palestine, neither me nor my siblings.”

Like the others, Mr. Haddad’s family history is linked to the years of turbulence in the region. His father fled his home in 1948 when Israel was created, became a Jordanian citizen and traveled to Jerusalem, where he met his future wife. The two made a home in Amman.

In 1980, however, his mother returned to Jerusalem to be near her family and to give birth to a son, Muhannad. She had him registered under her Israeli documents and returned home, where her son grew up.

When he turned 16, and was no longer on his mother’s identity card, he went to Israel to have one of his own issued. He said they refused to give him one so he eventually returned to Amman. Then last year, he tried to renew a driver’s license and was told to go to the dreaded office in the Interior Ministry.

Mr. Haddad’s aunt, Hitaf Barakat, confirmed the details of her nephew’s circumstances. “He cannot go back, he cannot work here, he cannot go abroad, yet his mother, his father, his brother all retain their nationality here,” said Ms. Barakat, who works with the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration in Jordan.

The government says that this has nothing to do with demographic balance, that the numbers are too small and that only a fraction of its Palestinian population is subject to this kind of review. It says that the process has been going on since shortly after July 31, 1988, when King Hussein delivered a speech in which he gave up any claim of sovereignty to the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Jordan annexed those lands in 1950 and provided all the residents with Jordanian citizenship. When Israel occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem after the 1967 war, Jordan maintained some administrative control and financial responsibility.

But in 1988, as the first intifada, or uprising, raged, King Hussein announced that the Palestine Liberation Organization would serve as the sole representative of the Palestinian people. He announced that all Palestinians living in Jordan would preserve their Jordanian citizenship while those living in the occupied territories were Palestinian. He did not mention those Palestinians who had moved abroad, including the hundreds of thousands living and working in the Persian Gulf.

Jordan’s rulers were shaken in 1991, after President Saddam Hussein of Iraq occupied Kuwait and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with Jordanian citizenship fled to Jordan.

“The Jordanians felt this was a very dangerous situation,” said Ali Mahafzah, a history professor at Jordan University. “The Palestinians might become a majority in the country.”

That fear, however, was not enough to prompt the authorities to turn them away. “We were in need of them economically,” Mr. Mahafzah said. “It was against our economic interest at the time to throw them to the West Bank.”

It appears that many of these people are the ones at risk now, though not exclusively. The government says that it issued directives that required all Palestinians who had once been issued Israeli documents after the occupation of 1967 to preserve those documents to maintain their citizenship.

The authorities said that it was incumbent upon each Palestinian to return to Israel every three years — to preserve their right to return to the occupied land and as a condition for keeping their Jordanian citizenship.

An Israeli military spokesman who refused to be identified said that under military law imposed on the West Bank, Palestinian citizens who left the area after 1967 and before 1988 could lose their citizenship after three years, but then they had an additional three years to claim it.

The spokesman said decisions could be appealed to a joint Israeli-Palestinian committee, though the spokesman acknowledged that the committee had not met in years.

Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/world/middleeast/14jordan.html?ref=world&pagewanted=print

I wonder if Queen Raina will lose her Jordanian Citizenship.

3rdMillhouse
03-14-2010, 11:41 AM
This is really something fvcked up.

Solvent
03-14-2010, 11:46 AM
It certainly is difficult situation for those people.

Hollis
03-14-2010, 11:46 AM
I guess the other part, King Abdullah is setting on a powder keg. Black September was not that long ago.

Ordie
03-14-2010, 12:03 PM
I guess the other part, King Abdullah is setting on a powder keg. Black September was not that long ago.

The King was a kid at the time.

I would argue that Jordan's treatment of the Palestinians has been exceptional compared to those living in Lebanon, Syria and other Arab states.

This policy under mind's the Jordanian stability as a nation in between Iraq and a Hard Place.

What I see happening here is that Jordan tells its Palestinians Citizens that your are Israel's Problem.
In turn the Israeli's Neo-Zionist will tell its Arab Citizens within its borders to get out, you have 22 countries to go to.
While at the same time folks in-between Jordan and Israel are being squeezed out thanks to Israeli settlements, and roads.

Both Israel and Jordan have leverage over the situation but are squandering the opportunities and setting themselves for another Intifada and Black September.

Connaught Ranger
03-14-2010, 12:09 PM
I wonder if Queen Raina will lose her Jordanian Citizenship.

Seeing she was born in Kuwait to Palestinian parents, and possibly holds Kuwaitie citizenship, I dont think so.

Interesting lady,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/jordan/6736576/Queen-Rania-of-Jordan-takes-on-hardliners-over-honour-killings.html

With regards "Black September" the conflict between Palestinian guerrilla organizations and King Hussein of Jordan that began in September 1970 and ended in July 1971 with the expulsion of the PLO to Lebanon.

Connaught Ranger.

Hollis
03-14-2010, 12:24 PM
Ordie, I know. I happen to like King Abdullah. Also his wife is Palestinian (if memory is right). Being a kid, and that means he was not aware or have people around him who was not there? I believe he is very much aware of the tenuous situation he is in. Jordan is a very interesting country, I feel they are one of the better/best countries in that area.

The Plight of the Palestinian people, IMHO, has been greatly affected in a negative way by too much out side interference and petty global politics. In a number of countries they are not allowed to become citizens and held in a perpetual refugee status.

I think you are leaving out some of the contributors to this mess by only blaming Israel and Jordan. While you may feel Israel and Jordan is the major contributor to this problem, I do not. IMHO, they are the respondent. No different than with Black September. I feel a lot of people/groups/countries that say they support the Palestinian people actually DO NOT. As long as terrorists can operate with immunity in Palestine, no one can make any reasonable agreements to end the conflict there. Israel is correct in saying, it needs a partner in the peace process. The terrorists also butcher Palestinian people and oppress them to insure that the terrorist agenda is met.

Once the terrorists are eliminated from Palestine, a peace process can be obtained and any wrongful action of Israel viewed as just that.

The Palestinian, first needs a real government of the people, the end and eliminations of all terrorists groups or that they are actually outlawed, marginalized and consider a pariah to the Palestinian people. Until that is done, there will be no peace.

NimDod
03-14-2010, 01:18 PM
In turn the Israeli's Neo-Zionist will tell its Arab Citizens within its borders to get out, you have 22 countries to go to.


What's a "Neo-Zionist"?
first time I hear that term.

Ordie
03-14-2010, 03:00 PM
Hollis,

I agree with you.

From my point of view, after 50+ years of conflict, terrorism, and being pawns, the Palestinians have nothing to show for it. They are now fish in a barrel.

I also think they are at a point of losing their identity, culture and relevancy as a people.

Hollis
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
Hollis,

I agree with you.

From my point of view, after 50+ years of conflict, terrorism, and being pawns, the Palestinians have nothing to show for it. They are now fish in a barrel.

I also think they are at a point of losing their identity, culture and relevancy as a people.


I agree, it is frustrating, Arafat made billions on the blood of the Palestinian people. An the world raised a terrorist up as a leader.

Fish in the barrel or between the hammer and anvil same sort of thing.

As soon as their "so-called" supporters (actually terrorist supporters) no longer need the Palestinian people for their own purpose, they will probably loose their identity, culture and relevancy. Addressing a Palestinian government that is actually of the people, that is based on law, fairness and basic freedoms has been ignored by about all parties, except a few Palestinians who stood up and were murdered, or beaten or ?? by the terrorists.

gilgoul
03-14-2010, 05:50 PM
"I also think they are at a point of losing their identity, culture and relevancy as a people."
Maybe because they never had one specific other than vaguely regional to begin with.
a kurd has 10000 times more to show for national claims than a "palestinian" does.
Not that amy of the national entity of the area has too much to show for itself either.

Hollis
03-14-2010, 06:36 PM
Gilgul that is something not for us to decide. Palestine has been recognized, the people have been recognized, after doing that there is no going back. I guess if you can undo the early compromise, Land for Peace, then I guess you can also say they are not a people. For over 60 years, they have been a pawn in the war to destroy Israel. Probably their only importance to those who have used them, it was just that being a expendable pawn. In over 60 years Israel has manage to recreate a national identity, culture and made some contributions to the world under this conflict. Unfortunately for the Palestine people they never had a government of self rule only oppression under terrorists, used a pawns by those wanting to destroy Israel and found themselves on the receiving end of Israeli ordinance in those conflicts. Let's face that is not a good position to be in.

micheal1234dd
03-14-2010, 06:51 PM
They do it because they are afraid that Jordan will be the Palestinian state...

Imp
03-14-2010, 08:25 PM
Outrage at the UN, and condemnation of Jordan over this issue in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0,.........-1, ..........-2.

Oh wait, that's right. I forgot all about that pesky double standard when Israel does stuff. Silly little me.

micheal1234dd
03-14-2010, 08:32 PM
There are many countries in the UN that are muslims NAM countries, so what you expect?...that they will condemn Jordan?....

Ordie
03-15-2010, 04:10 AM
They do it because they are afraid that Jordan will be the Palestinian state...

Or perhaps the Hashmite Royal Family's legitimacy is at stake.

King Abdualla II is half-English* and his family are exiles from Hijaz (Mecca) kicked out by the Sauds (Saudi Arabia).

If I recall the only challenge he faced were uprisings in the local Jordanian town of Ma'an between Aqaba and Amman.

*The crown prince is half-American

gilgoul
03-16-2010, 07:02 PM
Gilgul that is something not for us to decide. Palestine has been recognized, the people have been recognized, after doing that there is no going back. I guess if you can undo the early compromise, Land for Peace, then I guess you can also say they are not a people. For over 60 years, they have been a pawn in the war to destroy Israel. Probably their only importance to those who have used them, it was just that being a expendable pawn. In over 60 years Israel has manage to recreate a national identity, culture and made some contributions to the world under this conflict. Unfortunately for the Palestine people they never had a government of self rule only oppression under terrorists, used a pawns by those wanting to destroy Israel and found themselves on the receiving end of Israeli ordinance in those conflicts. Let's face that is not a good position to be in.

Fair enough
But recognizing the "Palestinian" de-facto existence shouldn't preclude stating an historical truth.
About the lack of self-rule of the Palestinians in the last 90 years, one could fairly blame the British Empire.
Last, even though I understand Western attachement to the Hashemite Kingdom, it was the largest part of the "Palestine Mandate" before it was given to the clan to accomodate their wounded honor for getting booted out of the Hijaz.

Ordie
03-16-2010, 08:53 PM
Fair enough
But recognizing the "Palestinian" de-facto existence shouldn't preclude stating an historical truth.
About the lack of self-rule of the Palestinians in the last 90 years, one could fairly blame the British Empire.
Last, even though I understand Western attachement to the Hashemite Kingdom, it was the largest part of the "Palestine Mandate" before it was given to the clan to accomodate their wounded honor for getting booted out of the Hijaz.

Abdullah I sought to create a Hasmite Kingdom throughout the Levant and Mesopotamia. In those days it was considered a rich area in terms of water, agriculture and the historical center of Arab urban civilization with Damascus as its hub.

Thanks to Sikes-Picot, Balfour Declaration along with all trophy spoils of the Versaille Treaty, it was never to be.

He was literally sent packing on the next train out of Damascus.

Trans-Jordan was a wasteland and Amman was an armpit of a place. Given Abdullah I blood ties with the Prophet Mohammed, the local Bedouins took him as thier leader. In 1948, I think he still held on to the belief of creating a greater Hashmite Kingdom in Palestine.

the_Wicked
03-16-2010, 09:24 PM
outrage at the un, and condemnation of jordan over this issue in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0,.........-1, ..........-2.

Oh wait, that's right. I forgot all about that pesky double standard when israel does stuff. Silly little me.

x2

...............

micheal1234dd
03-16-2010, 09:46 PM
Or perhaps the Hashmite Royal Family's legitimacy is at stake.

King Abdualla II is half-English* and his family are exiles from Hijaz (Mecca) kicked out by the Sauds (Saudi Arabia).

If I recall the only challenge he faced were uprisings in the local Jordanian town of Ma'an between Aqaba and Amman.

*The crown prince is half-American
It's a dictatorship(like every muslim country)and i don't think it will be easy to take them out because they will use brute force or other measures if they will suffer from something.