Hitler's Popularity in Pakistan

[Ordie]

03/17/2010 12:33 PM

The Führer Cult
Germans Cringe at Hitler's Popularity in Pakistan

By Hasnain Kazim in Islamabad, Pakistan

Germans are popular in India and Pakistan, but not always for the right reasons. Many in South Asia have nothing but admiration for Adolf Hitler and still associate Germany with the Third Reich. Everyday encounters with the love of all things Nazi makes German visitors cringe.

Pakistan is the opposite of Germany. The mountains are in the north, the sea is in the south, the economic problems are in the west and the east is doing well. It's not hard for a German living in Pakistan to get used to these differences, but one contrast is hard to stomach: Most people like Hitler.

More:http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,druck-683966,00.html

[Empulse]

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Germans are popular in India and Pakistan, but not always for the right reasons. Many in South Asia have nothing but admiration for Adolf Hitler and still associate Germany with the Third Reich. Everyday encounters with the love of all things Nazi makes German visitors cringe.
Pakistan is the opposite of Germany. The mountains are in the north, the sea is in the south, the economic problems are in the west and the east is doing well. It's not hard for a German living in Pakistan to get used to these differences, but one contrast is hard to stomach: Most people like Hitler.

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I was recently at the hairdresser, an elderly man who doesn't resort to electric clippers. All he has is creaky pair of scissors, a comb, an aerosol with water. He did a neat job but I wasn't entirely happy. I said: "I look like Hitler."
He looked at me in the mirror, gave a satisfied smile and said: "Yes, yes, very nice."
I decided not to challenge him, went home and tried to get rid of the strict parting he'd given me.
Embarrassing Moments
I was glad I avoided the usual Hitler conversation. Pakistanis always hone in on that topic whenever they talk to Germans. "We're Aryans too," they say, because there was an Indo-Germanic race, the Aryas. Besides, Hitler was a military genius, they add.
Sometimes it's better to keep quiet about one's German origins. It's embarrassing because people here think they're doing you a favor by expressing their admiration for the Nazi leader. I suspect most Indians and Pakistanis have no idea what this man did. They see him as the bold Führer who took on the British and Americans.
In the Islamic world, not just in Pakistan but right across from Iran to northern Africa, anti-Semitic sentiment of course plays a role. Conversations with German visitors rapidly turn to the injustice being suffered by the Palestinians who were robbed of their land.
The Desire to be Swallowed up by the Ground
One can try to cut such conversations short, like a German acquaintance of mine did recently. He told a taxi driver in Iran he should stop talking nonsense because he as a dark-skinned person wouldn't have survived long in Nazi Germany. The taxi driver looked at him surprised and said: "But I'm Aryan!"
The alternative is just to wish the ground would swallow you up, like when German friends visited us while we were staying with our Pakistani relatives in London. Out of the blue, one uncle started talking admiringly about Hitler, his supposed military feats and how he led Germany out of economic misery. Our friends just sat there stony-faced and didn't know what to say. Later on my parents apologized to them.
I don't know where this fascination comes from, not just for the Nazis but for all things German. Most people don't realize that today's Germany is very different from the Third Reich. It's not surprising. Many have never even been to the next big city in their own country, so how should they know what things are like in Germany these days?
"I Like Nazi"
As a result, many Pakistanis easily switch from Hitler to Mercedes ("Very excellent car, but a little too expensive"). A few days ago a white Mercedes built in the 1970s was driving ahead of me in the center of Islamabad carrying a family of seven. On the back was a sticker bearing a black swastika in a white circle. Underneath it read: "I like Nazi."

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It's not just Muslims who maintain this Nazi cult. A few years ago, a Hindu businessman in India opened a restaurant called "Hitler's Cross," complete with a portrait of the Führer at the entrance. Another Hindu sold bed linen emblazoned with swastikas that had little to do with the Hindu swastika symbol for good luck. The sheets, pillow cases and bed spreads were advertised as being part of "The Nazi Collection." English editions of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" can be found in bookshops even in the most remote parts of India. And Indian schoolbooks have been known to celebrate Hitler as a great leader. Once my wife and I visited the cafe in the beautiful Hotel Imperial in New Delhi. It has a garden lined with palms, excellent tea and friendly waiters in uniforms that recall the colonial era. A young man served us. The name tag on his uniform attracted my interest so I asked him why he had this rather unusual name for an Indian man. "Oh, my parents named me after a great historic person," he explained.
The name, in black letters on a golden plate, read: Adolf.
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[Xithos]

Well at one point the Muslims actually participated in the holocaust, just not on a large scale like one might think (although I might be wrong, but the history channel hasn't been to wrong yet). Hitler even went so far to say that middle eastern people were descendants of the Aryan people (but do not quote me on this, because I only remember a small amount of the documentary).

[CouchCommando]

The picture has nothing to do with the article.

[giffo]

Well at one point the Muslims actually participated in the holocaust, just not on a large scale like one might think (although I might be wrong, but the history channel hasn't been to wrong yet). Hitler even went so far to say that middle eastern people were descendants of the Aryan people (but do not quote me on this, because I only remember a small amount of the documentary).

I think that documentry was about the tibetans and it wasn't hitler I don't think that made the claim, it was scientists getting a free ride like scientists getting a free ride with global warming today - relating their own personal projects to a politcal cause to get funding, the scientists were funded by the SS to examine the possible origin of the Aryan race.

The middle east was friendly towards the National Socialists during the war - for what particular reason I cannot remember at this time - but you can imagine the various reasons

taken from Wikipedia - one of the contemporary uses of the word Aryan "Among the Hindu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_nationalism)/Indian nationalists, the Hindu/Indian people (Aryan derives from the Sanskrit word Arya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arya))" - I'm pretty sure its not used in the same context as 1930's

Thanks for posting the story, very funny and disturbing at the same time.

[hulaku]

The picture has nothing to do with the article.

You stole the words right out of my mouth. Its a picture of kids celebrating the Hindu festival of Lights, Diwali by lighting lamps and keeping them in the ancient Hindu welcome sign of swastik.

Sh*tty journalism.

Well its Spiegel after all.

[pocoloco]

The reporter is quite ignorant, I think. Thinking that most Indians and Pakistanis don't know what Hitler did. Depends on schooling of the people and of course those Pakistanis with anti-semitic attitude and über-Islamistic world view think AH to be cool. Maybe one day they will hopefully know better.

[LORDIE]

Mercedes ("Very excellent car, but a little too expensive"). I like to!

[Breerman]

I think that documentry was about the tibetans and it wasn't hitler I don't think that made the claim, it was scientists getting a free ride like scientists getting a free ride with global warming today - relating their own personal projects to a politcal cause to get funding, the scientists were funded by the SS to examine the possible origin of the Aryan race.
It was Himmler's project. Hitler referred to it as "like chasing ghosts in the attic"

[toki]

The reporter is quite ignorant, I think. Thinking that most Indians and Pakistanis don't know what Hitler did. Depends on schooling of the people and of course those Pakistanis with anti-semitic attitude and über-Islamistic world view think AH to be cool. Maybe one day they will hopefully know better.
Oh i got a good friend who came here from India when she was 15. Her brother regularly visits since a couple of years. I would call him highly educated. He runs a little company at around 28 years of age. What struck me that he came towards me new years eve 09 and began asking me weird questions. If Hitler was still popular at heart and if he's considered a bad person in Germany. He has an university degree and actually works woth German companies in his little business.

His sister explained this naivety to me. First of all the education towards history seems to be different, second of all Indians seem to admire the fact that a strong man can unite a country. Something that will never happen in India, being such a vast and multiethnic, multi language country.

[pocoloco]

Oh i got a good friend who came here from India when she was 15. Her brother regularly visits since a couple of years. I would call him highly educated. He runs a little company at around 28 years of age. What struck me that he came towards me new years eve 09 and began asking me weird questions. If Hitler was still popular at heart and if he's considered a bad person in Germany. He has an university degree and actually works woth German companies in his little business.

His sister explained this naivety to me. First of all the education towards history seems to be different, second of all Indians seem to admire the fact that a strong man can unite a country. Something that will never happen in India, being such a vast and multiethnic, multi language country.

Good points there Toki. So not only education but a very different view on things then. Hitler's forays on world domination are then more direct European and Stateside experience (quite naturally) and it doesn't convey to other countries out of Hitler's sphere of influence, so to speak.

[Darklord]

second of all Indians seem to admire the fact that a strong man can unite a country. Something that will never happen in India, being such a vast and multiethnic, multi language country.

I beg to differ. A strong man did unite India, about the same time as Hitler.

Hmm..perhaps with a different definition of "strength.":)

[Vandervahn]

...Its a picture of kids celebrating the Hindu festival of Lights, Diwali by lighting lamps and keeping them in the ancient Hindu welcome sign of swastik.

Sh*tty journalism. ...

Thats why the pic has an explanatory caption. Maybe just "sh*tty" reading comprehension after all?

[Eoin666]

Funny article though :grin:

I thought the swastika, was never known as the swastika in Germany but only known as the Hakenkreuz.

Actually interesting that as a symbol in one form or another it's been used throughout the world for 1000's of yrs. Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Baltic peoples, Scandinavians, Celts, Germanic peoples, found in Anglo-Saxon burials.........

Maybe instead of banning it, reclaim it for what it originally meant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

[toki]

I beg to differ. A strong man did unite India, about the same time as Hitler.
Hmm..perhaps with a different definition of "strength.":)
Yes, a different definition. And those weren't my words but the words of a highly educated indian girl who lives in Germany talking about her brother and many indians in general.
But that is actually my point, some Indians seem to starve for a more chauvinist nationalist militaristic self image. I say some, because i can only believe what i was told by a few indians. Regardless of Gandhi being an icon.

[abhedya]

First of all, the picture in the article is completely wrong, the picture is celebrating diwali, where people light up dias(candles) in the shape of a swastika for good luck.
The reason why Indians love Hitler so much is because before independence many factions of the Indian political system wanted to get rid of the British Raj, who better to help them than Germany or Japan, Hitler managed to reunify and get all the Germans united for a single cause, something that failed in India many a times to fight against the British Raj, e.g. revolt of 1857. I remember during my year 11 back in India we had to read Mein Kampf for our Management subject and had to write a strategy management analysis on it., personally after reading it I thought Hitler was a manic rabid frothing from his mouth. Even my grandfather has many Waffen SS fiction books and is a fan of Hitler, he told me that he liked him because he made people unite and believe in something that would be their birthright and cause.

P.S Mein Kampf was the first biography i ever read. p-)

[Moledet]

It's sad that the Indians don't think what cause he united the Germans around, it was a death cult that brought hell and the modern world to a moral low point. And I'm being mild.

[Goldfishsoldier]

Wow, just wow. I honestly had no idea Hitler was so reveared among Indians and Pakistanis. I've heard of Islamofasicsm throughout the Mid East, but by the impression of the article a lot of his admires have no idea about his atrocities he commited against the Jews but anyone who wasn't "racially pure".

[assaulttush]

I beg to differ. A strong man did unite India, about the same time as Hitler.

Hmm..perhaps with a different definition of "strength.":):)



.........

[Darklord]

Yes, a different definition. And those weren't my words but the words of a highly educated indian girl who lives in Germany talking about her brother and many indians in general.
But that is actually my point, some Indians seem to starve for a more chauvinist nationalist militaristic self image. I say some, because i can only believe what i was told by a few indians. Regardless of Gandhi being an icon.

I assure you, I am not one of those Indians :). Like you say, "some Indians," not all.

Back on topic, IMHO, one of the strongest reasons why (if) Hitler is admired in India must be due to his association and material support to Netaji Subash Chandra Bose, INA, and their armed struggle for independence. Netaji = good guy. Ally of good guy = good guy.

Edit: Oh, and I did not read the quoted report, assuming that it says Hitler is admired in India. The title says Pakistan.

[Switek]

Let me describe real event from Poland in late 1980's:

It was in summer holidays at scout camp area where Polish scouts hosted FDJ members from DDR. They were very impressive in their blue jackets esp when marched according to regulations for meals in the canteen. Once, one, eight years old wolf kid couldn't resist himself and stood in attention in front of marching FDJ youth and saluting in Nazi style he screamed "Zeig Heil" or "Heil Hitler"... It was more than international scandal. It's hard to explain what happened later but during investigation the little poor boy was asked.:
"Do you know what such salute means?"
the boy through tears answered:
"I thought it's traditional German greeting"
"Oh Gosh! where do you know it from?"
"Because in every film I've seen they used to greet each other that way..."
;)

[Pollo Pion]

Repost: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=176149

[Climber]

Everyday we are more far from the shoa, the more this things will happen.

Humanity is doomed.

[MG 3]

What a BS article!
In reality a lot of the people here attribute the fall of the British Raj to the second world war thus all enemies for the former colonial rulers were looked at positively. My great grandfather fought in WWII in north Afrika and Italia. Even after fighting against the Germans he had nothing bad to say against them because of the way he felt about the British 1946 and onwards. I still have the Luger and and SS flag he has nabbed in North Afrika.


But one thing is true in this article and my Indian counterparts will agree that the Rajputs do claim Aryan descent.

[hulaku]

Thats why the pic has an explanatory caption. Maybe just "sh*tty" reading comprehension after all?


The swastika is a religious symbol of good luck. Does that explain the relation why the kids are doing what they are doing??

To an ignorant pr*ck it would seem that these kids are some nazi worshipping Hindus brainwashed by their parents.

And please explain why this photo was used here when it is totally irrelevant.

And also would like you to know that 2.5 million Indian troops fought against the Nazis in the Second World War.

[Atlantic Friend]

Well at one point the Muslims actually participated in the holocaust, just not on a large scale like one might think (although I might be wrong, but the history channel hasn't been to wrong yet).

Let's also remember the Muslims who fought under British or Free French or Yugoslavian uniform against Nazi Germany, while we are at it...

As for the picture, the swastika was a symbol widely used in India waaaaaay before Adi shat his first diaper.

[hulaku]

What a BS article!
But one thing is true in this article and my Indian counterparts will agree that the Rajputs do claim Aryan descent.

Infact all the Punjabi and some North Indians consider themselves to be Aryans. But the Aryan invasion theory has proved to be a controversial one with historians divided on its authenticity.

Rajputs are historically descended from the Scythians who I guess were an Aryan tribe at some point in history.

[Stonewall71]

Maybe the fact that Hitler fought the british (the then colonial rulers) has something to do with all this?

I recall seeing Indian troops fighting alongside germans?

[hulaku]

Maybe the fact that Hitler fought the british (the then colonial rulers) has something to do with all this?

I recall seeing Indian troops fighting alongside germans?

You are actually right. For some Indian freedom fighters who saw the British as the enemy it was a simple case of my enemy's enemy is my friend.

It was the Indian national Army formed by Subhash Chandra Bose which fought alongside the Japanese against the British.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army

[Stonewall71]

And also

Indian Volunteers in the German Wehrmacht



Agitation for the end of British rule in India had existed for decades prior to the outbreak of the Second World War. Therefore it was logical for the Axis powers during WWII to attempt to capitalize on anti-British sentiments by attempting to recruit a military force from disaffected Indian prisoners-of war captured while serving with the British Commonwealth forces in the North African campaign.

http://www.feldgrau.com/azadhind.html

[hulaku]

And also

http://www.feldgrau.com/azadhind.html

Yep, Azad Hind Fauj was the Hindi/ Urdu name of the Indian National Army.

[Atlantic Friend]

The SS Freies Indien Legion - composed of Indian POWs captured by Germany during the North African campaign. They manned the Atlantic Wall and were stationed in my hometown, where they suffered their first losses. Not sure how politically or ideologically motivated they were, since they were taken from POW camps.

[MG 3]

Infact all the Punjabi and some North Indians consider themselves to be Aryans. But the Aryan invasion theory has proved to be a controversial one with historians divided on its authenticity.

Rajputs are historically descended from the Scythians who I guess were an Aryan tribe at some point in history.

HAHAHAHAHA! So you claim to be an aryan too? My mom is a Rajput and all her family is as white as white ppl are with blue or green eyes. Ive always been of the view that so what, you should be more proud of your past in India rather than northern Europe. And the whole punjabis claiming rajput descent is BS. Most of the cast/tribes do this add weight to their names and you know how important last names are in our part of the wood.

[budgie]

... of course those Pakistanis with anti-semitic attitude and über-Islamistic world view think AH to be cool. Maybe one day they will hopefully know better.

Uber-Islamistic? Bush couldn't have invented a more 'creative' term.

[Kletterbuxe]

Does that explain the relation why the kids are doing what they are doing??

To an ignorant pr*ck it would seem that these kids are some nazi worshipping Hindus brainwashed by their parents.

And please explain why this photo was used here when it is totally irrelevant.

And also would like you to know that 2.5 million Indian troops fought against the Nazis in the Second World War.

SUBTEXT OF THE PIC IN THE ARTICLE:

*******
The swastika is a religious symbol of good luck.

[Switek]

Infact all the Punjabi and some North Indians consider themselves to be Aryans. But the Aryan invasion theory has proved to be a controversial one with historians divided on its authenticity.

Rajputs are historically descended from the Scythians who I guess were an Aryan tribe at some point in history.


HAHAHAHAHA! So you claim to be an aryan too? My mom is a Rajput and all her family is as white as white ppl are with blue or green eyes. Ive always been of the view that so what, you should be more proud of your past in India rather than northern Europe. And the whole punjabis claiming rajput descent is BS. Most of the cast/tribes do this add weight to their names and you know how important last names are in our part of the wood.


Who the hell cares?

[Tyon]

And people keep claiming that we got a problem with nazism...

[JGXL836]

Also about Hitler cult:
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[Breerman]

I still have the Luger and and SS flag he has nabbed in North Afrika.
You're a rich man then since that must have been the only SS flag in Africa...

[hulaku]

Who the hell cares?

You do obviously.

[JBH22]

Excerpt of a blog

We have developed a habit of conveniently shutting our senses when we want to. We developed a glorified image of Adolf Hitler and we see only the positives of Nazi regime- like fastest industrial growth, discipline of their armies and execution, fast paced occupation, and enmity towards British (who were our rulers)

http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/adolf-hitler-and-indians.html

[seraosha]

Uber-Islamistic? Bush couldn't have invented a more 'creative' term.

The connection between Islamic leaders and Hitler is pretty clear...look up Haj Amin Muhammad Al Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem and his travels to Nazi Germany. In the context of the OP, hatred of the Jews seems to be a common thread among those we seem to combat as of late.

[DID]

There wa plenty of volunteer from all the world that served in the SS, so nothing surprising about Indians. The link between muslim world and Hitler was strong (maybe in purpose of a future invasion "freedom from British" of oil middle-east resrve). I doubt that most of Indian are Nazis admirator, neo-nazism and skinhead evolution in Russia look more dangerous to me.

[seraosha]

I'm utterly flummoxed by neo-nazisim in Russia...almost as much as those Israeli skinheads we heard about a year or so ago...I'm just left gobsmacked.

[budgie]

The connection between Islamic leaders and Hitler is pretty clear...look up Haj Amin Muhammad Al Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem and his travels to Nazi Germany. In the context of the OP, hatred of the Jews seems to be a common thread among those we seem to combat as of late.

Yeah but lets face it hatred of Jews was about all Muslim extremists and Nazis have in common. Sooner or later, if Hitler had got his way, he'd have gone after all people of colour, so they're deluding themselves. But as a teacher of English, I take isssue with the term 'Uber-Islamistic'.

[coltfan111]

it just seems a common trend with hardcore Nationalists or fascists around the world to still revere Hitler. He was the ultimate champion of their ideals after all.

[DID]

I'm utterly flummoxed by neo-nazisim in Russia...almost as much as those Israeli skinheads we heard about a year or so ago...I'm just left gobsmacked.
They were migrants from Russia and even not jews, that carry with them stupid ideas.

[Chairborne Ranger]

My great grandfather fought in WWII in north Afrika and Italia. Even after fighting against the Germans he had nothing bad to say against them because of the way he felt about the British 1946 and onwards. I still have the Luger and and SS flag he has nabbed in North Afrika.


I'm guessing your great gramps picked up that flag in Italy, not N. Africa, as there were no SS unit deployed there during the war. Supposedly Rommel himself requested that SS combat units be kept out of Africa. There was a Gestapo presence in N. Africa though, but they were busy operating prisoner camps, so it's unlikely they would have been in a position to have souvenirs captured from them.

[gustav]

The connection between Islamic leaders and Hitler is pretty clear...look up Haj Amin Muhammad Al Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem and his travels to Nazi Germany. In the context of the OP, hatred of the Jews seems to be a common thread among those we seem to combat as of late.

Great mufti of Jerusalem, an Arab...ergo of semitic stock....Connection is pretty clear with whom you said?

[Muzungu]

Pak judge backtracks on 'Hindu terror' remark

ISLAMABAD: The Lahore High Court Chief Justice Khawaja Muhammad Sharif has contradicted the observation that the Hindu community was involved in funding terrorism in Pakistan, clarifying that observation was misreported and wrongly attributed to him.

A handout issued by the Lahore HC registrar on Wednesday said that it is noted with great concern at the observation made by the Chief Justice while hearing a constitutional petition on extradition of alleged foreign terrorists has been misreported and misconstrued in certain sections of press.

"Finding it malicious, and irresponsible it is strongly contradicted that the observation went to attribute financial support in terrorism to Hindus", the press release said.

The Lahore HC Chief Justice said, "It is clarified that no such observation has ever been made. This court shows sympathy for those who felt hurt at this misleading report, and expresses its belief in the rights granted by our constitutions to minorities".

The minority members of national assembly protested and staged a token walkout from parliament on Tuesday regarding a reported statement by Lahore High Court Chief Justice (CJ) Khawaja Muhammad Sharif that the Hindu community was financing terrorism in Pakistan. The members of the Awami National Party, a ruling coalition partner also joined the Hindu MPs.

The protest was the second raised in the house over press reports in as many days after the Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif was criticized over his appeal to Taliban in a speech to a seminar in Lahore on Sunday to spare his province terror attacks because of some shared views with his PML-N party.

The ruling Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Hindu member Romesh Lal, who raised the issue, said sentiments of an estimated four million Pakistani Hindus had been injured by the LHC chief justice’s remarks, as reported in a section of the press, that while terrorist bomb blasts were being carried out by Muslims, "money used for this came from Hindus".

The member said if a country was suspected of sponsoring such attacks it should be named, but blame should not be put on just Hindus who, he said, were as good patriots as other Pakistanis.

He appealed to Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry to take suo motu notice of Justice Sharif’s remarks. The PPP chief whip and Labour and Manpower Minister Khurshid Ahmed Shah told the house that justice Khwaja Sharif seemed to be blaming India for financing the Taliban rather Hindus. Shah said that he was sure a clarification into the matter would come by tomorrow.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pak-judge-backtracks-on-Hindu-terror-remark/articleshow/5698790.cms

[tluassa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCEPO3-OkDo

:) Nothing more to say to this topic ...

[pg_ord]

It's sad that the Indians don't think what cause he united the Germans around, it was a death cult that brought hell and the modern world to a moral low point. And I'm being mild.
Well WW2 is a very minor part of a educated Indian's curriculum. We have like everything squeezed into like 10 pages. Almost none of it mentions about India's own contribution, heavily focused on bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how Hitler was this evil dude ...... and there is some mussolini and stuff that is about it. In fact it was only in college I came to know what was the scale of holocaust, from my uncle in Army, who himself studied it in Officer's Training Academy. :oops:

Almost every thing in history is very India centric.... India has had way too many invasions to read about some far off places. ;)
Humanities is a field most Indians don't bother.....after Independence it has all been about Doctors and Engineers....Science and Math attract the best talent.

[tluassa]

Well WW2 is a very minor part of a educated Indian's curriculum. We have like everything squeezed into like 10 pages. Almost none of it mentions about India's own contribution, heavily focused on bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how Hitler was this evil dude ...... and there is some mussolini and stuff that is about it. In fact it was only in college I came to know what was the scale of holocaust, from my uncle in Army, who himself studied it in Officer's Training Academy. :oops:

Almost every thing in history is very India centric.... India has had way too many invasions to read about some far off places. ;)
Humanities is a field most Indians don't bother.....after Independence it has all been about Doctors and Engineers....Science and Math attract the best talent.

This is for the start than: (ps: in German school education a whole lot (some even say too much, but im quite ok with how it is) is very much focused and devoted to the rise of National Socialism and party the authorian times of the German Empire / Weimar Republic - the other centuries fall under the table a little)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6942720640563145754#

Especially the part with the popularity of the Nazis ...

[pg_ord]

This is for the start than: (ps: in German school education a whole lot (some even say too much, but im quite ok with how it is) is very much focused and devoted to the rise of National Socialism and party the authorian times of the German Empire / Weimar Republic - the other centuries fall under the table a little)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6942720640563145754#

Especially the part with the popularity of the Nazis ...
Thanks a lot. Will take a look when I get some time. I still don't know why exactly WW-I was fought. :oops:

[seraosha]

Great mufti of Jerusalem, an Arab...ergo of semitic stock....Connection is pretty clear with whom you said?

Here you go...let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hitler+and+islam).

[Fuschimuschi]

That's kinda funny, the first Pakistani I ever met didn't want to talk about anything other than Hitler and if all German
men still adored Eva Braun.

It was an awkward conversation.

[sgt_G]

Thanks a lot. Will take a look when I get some time. I still don't know why exactly WW-I was fought. :oops:

I heard it was over a shooting somewhere...

[MG 3]

You're a rich man then since that must have been the only SS flag in Africa...


I'm guessing your great gramps picked up that flag in Italy, not N. Africa, as there were no SS unit deployed there during the war. Supposedly Rommel himself requested that SS combat units be kept out of Africa. There was a Gestapo presence in N. Africa though, but they were busy operating prisoner camps, so it's unlikely they would have been in a position to have souvenirs captured from them.

Didnt know that! I'll check with my dad about the exact details. Its not that big though, approx 2ft by 1.5ft.

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