War In Afghanistan

[Sayeret]

Whats peoples' opinions on why the United States did well in Afghanistan but the Soviets and British didn't?

note: I changed the topic from its original topic

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[Cassiar]

I was curious about what you would have done differently if you were in Bush's position. A major attack had been carried out in your country and you were receiving reports from the CIA that Iraq had WMDs.


I would have ignored the reports on Iraq and pounded the people responsible for the 9-11 attacks, mainly Saudi Arabia.

[Argyll]

Everything you've pointed out Sayaret HAS been discussed in countless threads..........and seeing is there are No Military Generals or Presidents reading this forum to undertake the decision to go to war,asking Joe Bloggs off the street is like asking why some people take "cream and sugar" in thier coffee........when others take it black.....pointless!!


Me personally would have finished the job in Afghanistan first

[Sayeret]

Everything you've pointed out Sayaret HAS been discussed in countless threads

Argyll

This one exact topic might have been mentioned but it wasn't to my knowledge the basis of a whole thread.

[Argyll]

Have you looked through every single thread mate?
I can remember participating in severla topics/threads along with Trident ZA about the reasons for going to war before,and also what would happen once the euphoria had died down,ie insurgency........and pretty much all I projected that would happen has........but crack on with this one,I'll be watching closely as this is a thread that can turn into a flame war pretty quickly..........as this forum seems to have 14-20 year old military tacticians coming from all over the USA ;)

[StarvingStudent47]

I'd have utilized Operation Penny Drop (http://maddox.xmission.com/penny_drop.html).

[Sayeret]

^^ haha, ok

[memphiz]

They should have dropped tons of stink bombs on Iraq to get Saddam out...or as Bush would say..."We're going to stink him out of his hole"

[ArmedPacifist]

I would have sent Sayeret in on a solo mission and dropped a plane load of pennies on him.

[MEGR]

Whats peoples' opinions on why the United States did well in Afghanistan but the Soviets and British didn't?

note: I changed the topic from its original topic

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Different time, different technology, different armies.

[Sayeret]

I would have sent Sayeret in on a solo mission and dropped a plane load of pennies on him.

Thanks for your respone ArmedPacifist but its not related to the topic so why don't you go reread what I wrote. I don't think you should have any trouble with this because I assume you can read.

Another thing off topic but you never replied to me when I told you that Sarin is a WMD. So why don't you go look up the meaning of WMD before you insult me, ok? Here is a link related to that:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19190&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

[Secret Squirrel]

So the topic went from (again) the Iraq war, to the Ghanny war, back to the Iraq war and now an offtopic personal grievance? I guess it's next evolution will be how much Kerry hates America? :roll:

[Durandal]

So the topic went from (again) the Iraq war, to the Ghanny war, back to the Iraq war and now an offtopic personal grievance? I guess it's next evolution will be how much Kerry hates America? :roll:

We know you are John Kerry and we know you hate the USA.

There...now someone has.

Squirrel, you do realize that by posting your comments (above) you become the very creature you are ridiculing ...right?

[ArmedPacifist]

I would have sent Sayeret in on a solo mission and dropped a plane load of pennies on him.

Thanks for your respone ArmedPacifist but its not related to the topic so why don't you go reread what I wrote. I don't think you should have any trouble with this because I assume you can read.

Another thing off topic but you never replied to me when I told you that Sarin is a WMD. So why don't you go look up the meaning of WMD before you insult me, ok? Here is a link related to that:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19190&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

Okay, how about I drop nickels on you. As Sarin is not a WMD, it is a chemical weapon. MASS destruction can only be applied to large yield warheads and obviously nuclear weapons.

Numpty.

I also believe that it was 30 years old, most likely supplied to the Hussein via the United States the fight Iran. Wouldn't that mean supplying a rogue nation? Wouldn't that be terrorism too?!
If you can tell me where it came from, then this arguement is in invalid. You cannot, so STFU.

I did read what you wrote, both times you changed the topic. I read...hmm...this guy wants to start a flame thread, I'll give it to him since that's what he's asking for.

[Durandal]

As Sarin is not a WMD, it is a chemical weapon. MASS destruction can only be applied to large yield warheads and obviously nuclear weapons.

Christ man, why do you keep using this argument?

Sarin is part of an NBC threat which include Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical. WMD is the new catchy term used by the media. You are going to split hairs with him over this?

Calm down man. He wants to know why things are going different in A-Stan compared to the Soviets and the British...

Maybe someone could actually engage in a useful conversation...

Like...

Which part of the British attempt to control A-stan? The first or second? What about Russia's successful annexation of norther Afghanistan in the 1800s? Or, maybe invading Afghanistan to control it never works because the people there get pissed off...like the Russians. ;)

There is a lot of positive conversational possibilities and you slam dude.

Chill.

[Secret Squirrel]

So the topic went from (again) the Iraq war, to the Ghanny war, back to the Iraq war and now an offtopic personal grievance? I guess it's next evolution will be how much Kerry hates America? :roll:

We know you are John Kerry and we know you hate the USA.

There...now someone has.

Squirrel, you do realize that by posting your comments (above) you become the very creature you are ridiculing ...right?

Just laying out the usual path that Sayeret's threads regarding Iraq or Ghanny seem to always take. Argyll already pointed out the "over-kill" regarding the original topic. So Sayeret changes it to Ghanny, which has also been readily discussed. He's posted the idiotic comment that "Kerry compared Iraq to Vietnam to empower the insurgents/terrorists" twice because he's trying to get the responses that he wants, but no one seems to oblige him. So where is this thread heading now? Back to Iraq and WMDs? Sayeret airing his personal grievance from another thead instead of adding to the previous thread? I'm just trying to figure out exactly what kind of responses he wants from his threads so someone can give it to him just to shut him up.

[Sayeret]

Secret Squirrel and ArmedPacifist,

I changed the topic to Afghanistan in order to stop a flame war and have a reasonable discusion if you want to talk about to me Iraq then just PM me or start a new thread.

ArmedPacifist I sent you a PM about WMD, so check your inbox.

[ArmedPacifist]

Secret Squirrel and ArmedPacifist,

I changed the topic to Afghanistan in order to stop a flame war and have a reasonable discusion if you want to talk about to me Iraq then just PM me or start a new thread.

ArmedPacifist I sent you a PM about WMD, so check your inbox.

You are so dumb.....so very very dumb....
And you proved exactly what I said, that Sarin is just a chemical weapon, not a WMD like an ICMB is.

[ArmedPacifist]

The discussion continued through PM, and I won.

[Sayeret]

The discussion continued through PM, and I won.

I thought you said you were starting a new thread related to the topic?

[ArmedPacifist]

No I meant I was going to post the info in this thread.

[shrek]

Ok, answer to original question from this thread if anyone is still interested?





BECAUSE THE US ARMY SPECIAL FORCES KICKS F..KING ASS!!!


that's why

[Sayeret]

No I meant I was going to post the info in this thread.

Start a new thread since I want to see how people respond to this one.

[hist2004]

Whats peoples' opinions on why the United States did well in Afghanistan but the Soviets and British didn't?

The objectives and goals of the Soviet Union were completely different from that of the
United States. The Russians invaded the country and tried to occupy Afghanistan and install
a regime, which reflected their ideology (communism). The United States was only interested
in eliminating the Al Qaeda network of Bin Laden. The US didn’t need to occupy Afghanistan.
America learned well that the use of small SOF operating by heliborne insertion backed by
state-of-the-art precision firepower was the way to defeat the Taliban & AL Qaeda forces.
Of course they learned this by examining the Russian experience of employed their elite
forces on deep raiding excursions in the mujahideen’s territory.
The Soviet-Afghan war showed that the mujahideen were not invincible or the “famed
fighters” the Western press made them out to be. After the early mistakes in tactics
were adjusted in late 1983, and from 84’ onward the Russian forces would have certainly
wiped out the resistance movement if not for the massive external aid and (Base) support
from Pakistan.

Regards,
Hist2004

[aartamen]

Whats peoples' opinions on why the United States did well in Afghanistan but the Soviets and British didn't?

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As far as the Soviets're concerned read -
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or
http://art.half.ebay.com/prod/3010588.jpeg

If you rely on Internet forums for education, you won't get it.

[Durandal]

I rather enjoyed both those books...I wish they went into a bit more detail about previous engagements prior to 1900 though.

[Sayeret]

http://art.half.ebay.com/prod/2992040.jpeg

I own this book and its a pretty good book.