Google eyes departure from China on April 10, report says

[xav]

Beijing newspaper says search giant to reveal plans Monday; Google mum
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9173418/Google_eyes_departure_from_China_on_April_10_report_says

U.S. Won’t Tell Google What to Do in China Spat, Clinton Says
March 19 (Bloomberg) -- Google Inc.’s decision about whether to pull out of China is a judgment only the company can make based on its best interests, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

“This is really between Google and China,” Clinton said in an interview with Bloomberg TV in Moscow today. “We are not going to be telling Google what to do.”
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-19/u-s-won-t-tell-google-what-to-do-in-china-spat-clinton-says.html

[happyslapper]

I read in the paper a few days ago, a Google spokesman saying they were "99% sure" they were going to close down their China operations.

[Ulytau]

I just wonder for example if google wont gonna use google.cn no more they can use other google sites like google.nl ''for example Netherlands'' etc?

[Synthe]

Thats good for chinese competitors since they can get their 20% share back.

[Winger]

Thats good for chinese competitors since they can get their 20% share back.

A lot of American companies are turning a blind eye to what goes on in Chicom land in pursuit of the all mighty dollar.

[Synthe]

A lot of American companies are turning a blind eye to what goes on in Chicom land in pursuit of the all mighty dollar.


Don't you mean Chicap??

[Confuse]

china and google still would have been able to patch this up if their wasn't the ultimatum of no censorship (pretty much break the law) and the NSA/state department involvement in the aftermath that painted the google not as a independent company, but a proxy for US intellgence agencies hell bent on using whatever means to stop a china they feel very much threatened by it's rise as a competitor (ideology aside it is all about the US being unchallenged top dog that isn't going to answer to anyone in a unipolar world, having other power centers becoming powerful enough to change that isn't in the US "interests")

[Winger]

Don't you mean Chicap??

How about Chicapcom. Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Rapier55]

...NSA/state department involvement in the aftermath that painted the google not as a independent company, but a proxy for US intellgence agencies hell bent on using whatever means to stop a china they feel very much threatened by it's rise as a competitor (ideology aside it is all about the US being unchallenged top dog that isn't going to answer to anyone in a unipolar world, having other power centers becoming powerful enough to change that isn't in the US "interests")Conjecture at its finest. NSA was brought on board to find out who and how (obviously China) got into Google's network. The scope of the NSA's involvement was never made public but the obvious technical capabilites of the NSA should be telling enough. Considering these same types of attacks (originating from China) have been performed on US government computers it should not be hard for you to see why the NSA was hired as a consultant.

Then again, I can see how it can be hard for you considering you view Google and NSA's partnership as ploy against China as a commercial competitor and not for what it's realy is; a synergy to combat China's blatant disregard of intellectual property and tampering of proprietary networks, both private and government.

[Ordie]

The Chinese have been actively proding our networks.

We better stop being dependent on netcentic warfare and hone in our analog capabilities.

If we ever get into a fight with the Chinese, they will do everything to disrupt our networks.

If this is the case, the US Navy should start loading pallets of navigational charts on to ships, quartermasters should start learning the sextant, signalmen should be re-instated, radiomen to re-learn the morse codes.

Almost every unit will need to have standing orders in case of being cut off.

[Confuse]

Conjecture at its finest. NSA was brought on board to find out who and how (obviously China) got into Google's network. The scope of the NSA's involvement was never made public but the obvious technical capabilites of the NSA should be telling enough. Considering these same types of attacks (originating from China) have been performed on US government computers it should not be hard for you to see why the NSA was hired as a consultant.

Then again, I can see how it can be hard for you considering you view Google and NSA's partnership as ploy against China as a commercial competitor and not for what it's realy is; a synergy to combat China's blatant disregard of intellectual property and tampering of proprietary networks, both private and government.


the google spat isn't just business, unless they purposely wanted to tank their own stock and business future in china, the ultimatum to violated chinese law reaction would be the same for a foreign company that gives an ultimatum to the US government, the aftermath was the involvement of the NSA and state department (possible even before attacks on google systems US intellegence involvement) that in such a way that very much puts it beyond a issue of hacker attack (which automatically jumped to the chinese government without proper investigation) and turns it into a state to state issue. The way i see it is that the US sees it as using the internet as a tool to forment social clash in set countries such as china, like how in recent year of color revolutions in the former soviet states it is an attempt to push US interests... if you feel china's government is violating laws then by all means take it to court and bring evidence, if not then it is just a back and forth spy game between china and the US with google becoming a tool and the synergy being the advancement of US interests over a rival

[Confuse]

The Chinese have been actively proding our networks.

We better stop being dependent on netcentic warfare and hone in our analog capabilities.

If we ever get into a fight with the Chinese, they will do everything to disrupt our networks.

If this is the case, the US Navy should start loading pallets of navigational charts on to ships, quartermasters should start learning the sextant, signalmen should be re-instated, radiomen to re-learn the morse codes.

Almost every unit will need to have standing orders in case of being cut off.



it's a reality of the world, the chinese prodes the US, the US prodes china, back and forth.. both play each other and jockey for position in the game without going so far as to trigger a real hot war that both sides stand to lose... the whole point of chinese defence strategy is to remove US power points without fighting unit per unit, area access denial and network disruption serve as a deterrent and well as financial debt holding for china to have the stability it needs to build its economy and prevent proxy moves against it in the pacific region such as a DPP independent taiwan that could become a US base a direct threat to china's existance (war is a last resort, peaceful union or status quo for the time being is currently the best option)

[Ordie]

it's a reality of the world, the chinese prods the US, the US prods china, back and forth.. both play each other and jockey for position in the game without going so far as to trigger a real hot war that both sides stand to lose

You're rationalizing on the premise of moral equivalency.

[Confuse]

You're rationalizing on the premise of moral equivalency.


there are no morals, only interests.. once morals gets in the way of interests then interests takes precidence... you will see the US and EU have the same problem with each other even if they have "moral equivalency" one the interests are at odds, wars are much easier to shallow if you think your doing it for higher morals

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Breaking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20000917-265.html

Google redirects Google.cn to Hong Kong site

In advance of an expected announcement about its plans in China, Google has begun redirecting traffic to its Chinese site through Hong Kong, and has removed language warning searchers of censored results from its search results pages.

woot

[ServerStalker]

Its true I just checked :D

[xav]

Breaking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20000917-265.html

Google redirects Google.cn to Hong Kong site

In advance of an expected announcement about its plans in China, Google has begun redirecting traffic to its Chinese site through Hong Kong, and has removed language warning searchers of censored results from its search results pages.

woot

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Google says it will stop censoring search results in China
* Google.cn users will be re-routed to an uncensored site in Hong Kong
* Search giant says move is legal and it will be monitoring to see if access is blocked
* Move comes after Google announced in January that it had been hacked

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/03/22/google.china/index.html?hpt=T2

[xav]

I can googe.cn Tian'anmen square now, and it does give videos and picture of the events.

Great success Google.

[Synthe]

I can googe.cn Tian'anmen square now, and it does give videos and picture of the events.

Great success Google.

So will the chinese companies who will get that 20% market share.

[Russianlynxy]

So will the chinese companies who will get that 20% market share.

Baidu is a joke when it comes to Google...

[Synthe]

Baidu is a joke when it comes to Google...

The russian military is a joke when it comes to the american army.

[Russianlynxy]

The russian military is a joke when it comes to the american army.

lol. butthurt Chicom is butthurt.

[cn_habs]

lol. butthurt Chicom is butthurt.

What do you even know about Baidu. Yes. that's right SQUAT?

You never miss out the opportunity to bash your neighboring country. I guess someone is jealous of the Chinese's success. :)

[cn_habs]

Google has not left China like it promised it would.
What a wuss.

[plato]

Google has not left China like it promised it would.
What a wuss.

that is just not nice, i won't call you a wuss if you don't leave Canada.

[cn_habs]

that is just not nice, i won't call you a wuss if you don't leave Canada.

LOL. The most random post of the year by our dear plato.

Did I say I would leave Canada if the Canadian government doesn't give me special treatment? My time is better spent elsewhere than to trick some naive people with my own political agenda to enhance my public image... Google still haven't left China b/c its "charitable" purchase is to maximize profits.

BTW, did you get that brown dude banned for calling all of us chinks?

[plato]

LOL. The most random post of the year by our dear plato.

Did I say I would leave Canada if the Canadian government doesn't give me special treatment? My time is better spent elsewhere than to trick some naive people with my own political agenda to enhance my public image... Google still haven't left China b/c its "charitable" purchase is to maximize profits.

BTW, did you get that brown dude banned for calling all of us chinks?

Therefore, I won't call you a wuss for not leaving Canada. Did I say something wrong?

The person who used the term "chinks" was suspended (something that would NEVER happen in a Chinese forum if someone uses racial slur, which is used almost ALL the time, to call an Indian person or any other non-Chinese. Am I right?), but not banned. I hope you may also get the same suspension because I won't call you a "yellow dude". I used the word "hope" because someone has to bend the rules to suspend you on this, I don't demand it.

[acosta]

eazy, everyone.

i guess this is just the fine result of negotiation. google retains all profit businesses in china except search engineer service, which gets moved to hong kong, but still alive, and chinese users can still access it. and it's for chinese own censorship to do the filtering work.

both sides "Don't lose face". i guess that's it.

end

[acosta]

the winner would be microsoft, yahoo, and even the largest competitor baidu, an advertise whore.

[Atlantic Friend]

Perhaps if Beijing's regime stopped fearing the Chinese people so much it feels the need to control what the people can or cannot see...

[cn_habs]

Therefore, I won't call you a wuss for not leaving Canada. Did I say something wrong?

The person who used the term "chinks" was suspended (something that would NEVER happen in a Chinese forum if someone uses racial slur, which is used almost ALL the time, to call an Indian person or any other non-Chinese. Am I right?), but not banned. I hope you may also get the same suspension because I won't call you a "yellow dude". I used the word "hope" because someone has to bend the rules to suspend you on this, I don't demand it.

Google had previously said that it would stop its operations in China...last time I checked, HK is part of China, don't you agree?

All the time? Wrong. Get a reality check. Don't put all the eggs in the same basket.

Don't be ridiculous here. I was just inquiring about that incident made by another poster that enraged you... I didn't know about my being concerned about something that affects both of us can be somehow out of line.

Unfortunately, it wasn't the first time and won't be the last.

[Solvent]

Google moved to HK. I don't know if it will be blocked. Maybe people can try out Bing instead.

[Ritual]

Not having google has to suck.

[Ordie]

Google moved to HK. I don't know if it will be blocked. Maybe people can try out Bing instead.

What is forbidden becomes more appealing.

[plato]

Perhaps if Beijing's regime stopped fearing the Chinese people so much it feels the need to control what the people can or cannot see...


well, they can control what the people can or cannot see in Tibet, so why not the internet? Of course, they have nothing to hide

[Jiggy]

The russian military is a joke when it comes to the american army.
well thats not much of an insult tbh.

and besides, if thats true, where would the PLA rank then?

the chinese military has a reputation of being equivalent to crash dummies lol.

[JJHH]

By MICHAEL WINES and JONATHAN ANSFIELD
Published: March 23, 2010

BEIJING — As Google began redirecting tens of millions of Chinese users on Tuesday to its uncensored Web site in Hong Kong, the company’s remaining mainland operations came under pressure from its Chinese partners and from the government itself.

The Chinese government moved on Tuesday to restrict access of mainland users to the Hong Kong site, the use of which Google had hoped would allow it to keep its pledge to end censorship while retaining a share of China’s fast-growing Internet search market.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/technology/24google.html?ref=world

[JJHH]

Pathetic to see how the Chinese government is constantly trying to keep the people under its thumb...

[Ironbloke]

Hong Kong speaks cantonese and Mainland speaks mandarin .. GOOGLE speaks dollar

[TheMiddlePath]

STORY HIGHLIGHTS


* Google.cn users will be re-routed to an uncensored site in Hong Kong



Might as well re-rout all Google users direct to BAIDU.

[Confuse]

Pathetic to see how the Chinese government is constantly trying to keep the people under its thumb...


pathetic how a company that is loosing market share becomes a partner to the US government to forment revolution, you want to deal with the chinese market you have to obey the laws, don't like the laws then don't do business, its not like i'm going to go to the US and break laws cause i feel that my own personal rights takes precedence over the established laws cause it doesn't work that why regardless of what i might think.. the chinese government is trying to exercise it's right to survive and function is a world where there is one superpower that wants to exercise the "monroe doctrine" on a global scale, sure there are bad policies resulting from a single party state such as corruption and political censoring, but the alternative if the PRC went head first into "freedom for all" without a plan would be anarchy and outside governments that have their own interests to see a weak china (no idiological BS here, just cold hard real politics and interests), the use of internet for subversion to forment revolution is what is happening... on the other hand china needs to change tactic, it can't fight the internet and outside media manipulation forever, it has too much liabilities and "skeletons" and must deal with them in a progressive manner on their terms as not to become fodder for the US to use against the PRC government

[Confuse]

Might as well re-rout all Google users direct to BAIDU.

just block the HK site, regardless of what others think google is still braking the law, you don't like the law then too bad, unless you take action to change the law then everything else is mout... ignorance of the law is no excuse as much in china as in the US