Vandals deface Polish concentration camp memorial

[CaptMorgan68]

BERLIN (JTA) -- Holocaust monuments at a former Nazi concentration camp in Poland were defaced with spray-painted anti-Semitic slogans.

The vandalism at the Plaszow camp outside of Krakow, which read "Juden Raus" and "Hitler Good," was discovered Saturday -- the 67th anniversary of the Nazi liquidation of the Krakow ghetto. The Plaszow camp was featured in the movie "Schindler's List."

Suspected far-right vandals had defaced the former Mauthausen concentration camp with anti-Jewish and anti-Turkish graffiti eight days earlier.

"The progeny of Muslims are for us what the Jews were to our fathers. Be on your guard. A third world war -- an eighth crusade," read the graffiti, spray-painted in large letters on the outer wall of the Mauthausen camp near its entrance.

"There is an active far-right scene in Upper Austria that does not even shrink away from vandalizing a former concentration camp," Willi Mernyi, head of the committee that oversees the Mauthausen camp, said in a statement.

Some 100,000 people died at Mauthausen.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/03/14/1011082/polish-concentration-camp-memorial-vandalized

[CMNot]

That is ****ed up.

[LineDoggie]

Ya gotta wonder about the Losers who do this. A baseball bat up their ass is a good penalty (though some might take a Liking to that)

[Difool]

That's simply disgusting! :(

[Switek]

It's really disgusting and those neonazi scum idiots will be found soon.

Tho other side of the coin that every year om March there is organized "March of the living" in Plaszow and it gathers thousands young peple from Israel, Poland and many other countries and year by year the number of participants increases.

[Astaran]

What a disgusting ****. I hope they get these morons and they "accidentally" fall down some stairs or run into door....

[grogreg]

Actually, German concentration camp memorial in Poland.

[Switek]

Actually, German concentration camp memorial in Poland.


Actually the Wiki (and facts) disagrees with you

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The Płaszów (Polish ****unciation: [ˈpwaʂuf] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Polish)) or Kraków-Płaszów concentration camp was a Nazi German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany) labour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_camp) and concentration camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp) built by the Nazis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazis) in Płaszów, a southern suburb of Kraków (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w) (now part of Podgórze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podg%C3%B3rze) district), soon after the German invasion of Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_invasion_of_Poland) and the creation of the General Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Government).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w-P%C5%82asz%C3%B3w_concentration_camp#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w-P%C5%82asz%C3%B3w_concentration_camp#cite_note-research-1)

[sepheronx]

Wow, this is stupid. Hope they catch the guys. Very disrespectful.

[grogreg]

Actually the Wiki (and facts) disagrees with you

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At which point?

[Switek]

At which point?

German in this case is too wide description. It wasn't German, per se, concentration camp but first of all Nazi or Nazi German

[rafus]

German in this case is too wide description. It wasn't German, per se, concentration camp but first of all Nazi or Nazi German

Anyway CaptMorgan and/or the moderator should immediately change the thread's title - the camp definitely was not Polish whatsoever. Built by the Nazi Germans in the part of occupied Poland which they named General Gouvernement. The phrase "Polish concentration camp" is terribly misleading, especially for the younger generation for whom World War Two is as ancient as the Punic Wars.

[Switek]

Polish concentration camp memorial refers to Polish memorial not Polish concentration camp, as I know English but admit that can be wrong ;)

[rafus]

Sorry, Switek, but the phrase is at least ambiguous in English. And you know very well that our diplomats often have to protest against using the term "Polish camps", which unfortunately is thoughtlessly, if not viciously used in the West European and American media

[Switek]

Technically you're right but don't let go paranoid. The first sentence of the press memo gives proper context...

[daily666]

Technically you're right but don't let go paranoid. The first sentence of the press memo gives proper context...

Agreed. Problem is, people don't read articles just headlines.

On topic, this is sick and disgraceful. Bunch of morons, hope they will get caught.

[Flamming_Python]

Man what did those guys even write?

Put down the crack pipe.

[Musashi]

Agreed. Problem is, people don't read articles just headlines.

On topic, this is sick and disgraceful. Bunch of morons, hope they will get caught.
You are right. I had some hard discussions with a few English people at work who tried to convince me that German concentration camps in occupied Poland were "Polish camps" and run by the Poles. I remember the Germans trying using the phrase "Polish concentration camps" even in the EU parliament. When Polish EU parliament members objected this idea they tried to use "Nazi concentration camps" as if those Nazis did not have any nationality and came from Mars.

[Switek]

... as if those Nazis did not have any nationality and came from Mars.

Good point! But The key is that not all Germans were Nazis ( even if 80-90% Germans supported NSDAP) and not all Nazis, an their ideology executors were Germans.

[Indiana Jones]

You are right. I had some hard discussions with a few English people at work who tried to convince me that German concentration camps in occupied Poland were "Polish camps" and run by the Poles. I remember the Germans trying using the phrase "Polish concentration camps" even in the EU parliament. When Polish EU parliament members objected this idea they tried to use "Nazi concentration camps" as if those Nazis did not have any nationality and came from Mars.
That sounds frankly quite implausible. Could you point me to a link or article on the matter ?

You are right. I had some hard discussions with a few English people at work who tried to convince me that German concentration camps in occupied Poland were "Polish camps" and run by the Poles.Sic transit gloria mundi.


[...]( even if 80-90% Germans supported NSDAP) [...]
May I inquire how you arrive at that figure ? The state of research very much suggests otherwise, and Hitlers considerable popularity as a statesman (even post-war) should not be confused with support of the party and its institutions.
Cheers,
IJ.

[Switek]

May I inquire how you arrive at that figure ? The state of research very much suggests otherwise, and Hitlers considerable popularity as a statesman (even post-war) should not be confused with support of the party and its institutions.
Cheers,
IJ.

Have you ever heard about rhetorical device called hyperbole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole)? OK. We can assume it was my bad I should wrote this that way:


[...]( even if we assume that 80-90% Germans supported NSDAP) [...]

[widi243]

Technically you're right but don't let go paranoid. The first sentence of the press memo gives proper context...

Maybe you are right Switek but for our grandfathers there was no difference between Nazi Germans and Germans so they call them Nazis or Germans and not mixed this terms so I prefer to call it at it was consider in those times. And remeber that Nazis did it in tne name of of German Superiority and they had social support in those times so I don't see nothing wrong with clall Nazis as Germans becose ther were Germans. Maybe I'm not so political correct but in my family still alive memory when in first days of war Germans come to home of my family and took them to The Zabikowo Camp where they wanted to shoot them all. And the reason was rebvenge for my grandma's fathetr participation in 1918 in Wielkopolska Uprising. So for me hard to call them only Nazis bcaus ther were hardcore german nationalists as well. And I don't think that important is to not forgot aoput nationality of Nazis.

[The Canadian]

I hope that these men when caught will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[Switek]

Maybe you are right Switek but for our grandfathers there was no difference between Nazi Germans and Germans so they call them Nazis or Germans and not mixed this terms so I prefer to call it at it was consider in those times. And remeber that Nazis did it in tne name of of German Superiority and they had social support in those times so I don't see nothing wrong with clall Nazis as Germans becose ther were Germans. Maybe I'm not so political correct but in my family still alive memory when in first days of war Germans come to home of my family and took them to The Zabikowo Camp where they wanted to shoot them all. And the reason was rebvenge for my grandma's fathetr participation in 1918 in Wielkopolska Uprising. So for me hard to call them only Nazis bcaus ther were hardcore german nationalists as well. And I don't think that important is to not forgot aoput nationality of Nazis.

My grandparents also experienced Żabikowo camp at the end of WW2. An in general you're right that most Germans represented 'Übermenschen' hatred attitude. But for God's sake we should stop with generalization and simplification that all Germans were the same. There were many examples of decent treatment Poles by Germans and simple aid and assistance. Don't forget that Germans were obliged by law to not help Poles and treat them badly. There were many examples of Germans who were punish by that. The situation was complex because, don't forget this, that national divisions were among member the same family living in the same houses...

I know that our war memory of our grandparents worked selectively. They remembered all wrongs done by the Germans but did not remember mass killings of German civilians carried out by Soviet troops in February 1945 in Poznań and whole region.