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Seraphim
07-23-2004, 04:48 AM
By BEN WALKER, AP Baseball Writer

NEW YORK - Fervently anti-war, Carlos Delgado quietly carried out his personal protest this season, refusing to stand when "God Bless America" was played at ballparks across the majors.


Most fans never saw him disappearing up the dugout tunnel or staying on the bench. And even teammates who disagreed with the Toronto slugger's political stance accepted his right to call the United States' invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) "the stupidest war ever."

This week, though, a lot more people noticed.

The Blue Jays played at Yankee Stadium for the first time this year on Wednesday night. It's the only park in the majors where "God Bless America" has been played every game since the Sept. 11 attacks, a fiercely patriotic place where active military members are still admitted free.

"I don't think that will be received too well," Yankees manager Joe Torre predicted Wednesday before the opener of the two-game series. "Just when Bob Sheppard starts announcing 'God Bless America,' they start applauding. If you do call attention to that, it won't be popular."

It sure wasn't.

Delgado was greeted with scattered boos each time he batted — no telling whether that was related to his off-the-field opinions, or his status as an opposing star.

But there were brief chants of "USA! USA!" when he lined out in the top of the seventh. During a moment of silence before Kate Smith's rendition of "God Bless America" was played during the seventh-inning stretch, derisive shouts were made in his direction.

True to form, Delgado was nowhere to be seen. He left the dugout when the last out was made in the top of the seventh, and headed to the clubhouse, and was removed from the game with the Blue Jays trailing by seven runs.

Delgado politely declined to elaborate before Wednesday night's game, though he said he stood by his previous comments. After the 10-3 loss, he deferred when asked about his remarks and the crowd reaction.

"No, I will not talk about it. Is that OK? Thank you," he said.

While big leaguers usually come to the top step of the dugout or on to the field to stand in silence during "God Bless America," Delgado does not make a public show of his stance.

In fact, until the first baseman spoke about the issue in early July to the Toronto Star, many people were not aware of how strongly he felt.

"It's a very terrible thing that happened on Sept. 11. It's (also) a terrible thing that happened in Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq," Delgado said at the time. "I just feel so sad for the families that lost relatives and loved ones in the war.

"But I think it's the stupidest war ever. Who are you fighting against? You're just getting ambushed now. We have more people dead now after the war than during the war," he said. "I don't support what they do. It's just stupid."

Delgado, from Puerto Rico, also opposed the U.S. military's longtime use of the Puerto Rican island of Vieques for weapons testing.

Delgado's opinion became more well known to New York fans in a column in The New York Times on Wednesday. In it, he said, "It takes a man to stand up for what he believes."



"I am not pro-war; I'm anti-war," he said. "I'm for peace."

Commissioner Bud Selig said he understood Delgado's position and that it was a sensitive subject. Selig said he'd like to talk to the Blue Jays' franchise leader in home runs and RBIs about the issue.

Other athletes have taken similar approaches.

NBA guard Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf of the Denver Nuggets (news) would not stand for the national anthem during the 1995-96 season, which led to an indefinite suspension that was lifted two days later.

Division III basketball player Toni Smith of the Manhattanville women's team attracted attention for refusing to face the flag during the national anthem in the 2002-03 season.

Most ballparks generally play "God Bless America" on Sunday and holidays, but the Yankees do it at every game. It comes on after Sheppard, the stadium's longtime public-address announcer, reads a remembrance to the people serving in the military.

There was a chance during this series, Delgado realized, that he might make the final out in the top of the seventh and be on the field when the tribute begins.

"This is my personal feeling. I don't want to draw attention to myself or go out of my way to protest," Delgado told the Times. "If I make the last out of the seventh inning, I'll stand there. But I'd rather be in the dugout."

Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi said the team has not gotten any reaction from fans about Delgado's position. Team president Paul Godfrey has said he respects Delgado's opinion but opposes his political view.

Standing in the box seats, Yankees fan Barry Phillips disagreed with Delgado, but said he would not boo him.

"I think it's totally disrespectful," he said shortly before gametime. "It's a slap directly in my face, as a New Yorker and an American."

SeanAshi
07-23-2004, 04:52 AM
"I think it's totally disrespectful," he said shortly before gametime. "It's a slap directly in my face, as a New Yorker and an American." It's a thousand slaps to the face.

American Patriot
07-23-2004, 05:05 AM
Wow, who gives a ****?

mobster
07-23-2004, 05:10 AM
When not in uniform, Carlos "The Hippie" decides to enjoy a traditional pasttime with a "friend". Seems that when not respecting the country he's in that pays his unschooled ass alot of money to throw balls, he says hi to his favorite "pet". John Kerry is unavailable for comment but has joined Carlos in this "demonstration" to get a "feel" for the "locals". Mr. Kerry is credited for this particular picture. His thanks from the AP as well as CNN.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v323/viewimage/donkey.jpg

mobster
07-23-2004, 05:16 AM
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v323/viewimage/liberal.jpg

mocking_loudly_died
07-23-2004, 06:13 AM
That’s RIGHT - we will protect America, while posting away on Internet forums.

Can the jingoistic pudding - it’s boring.

n4292936
07-23-2004, 06:31 AM
But there were brief chants of "USA! USA!" when he lined out in the top of the seventh this has always gone so far towards convincing America's detractors :roll: More of those who don't agree with the war should come to terms with their status as traitors to America - the right to disagree and several others should SO be struck from the constituton since it upsets us TRUE patriots.... or is that an un-American thing to say?... Wait a minute!!! ****, I just realised I'm a complete and utter hypocrite! :(

mobster
07-23-2004, 06:37 AM
Well yeah, I enjoy posting and reading topics here. But I also make more in a year than you'll see in the next 10 years.
C'mon Mocking, you can't hide behind your Mommys computer forever.
You know what I do, what do you do? Other than pretty avatars (ahem/faggot)..
You are nothing, your mom is probably a whore, daddy is prolly in jail.
I understand, you need attention, that's okay.
Where do you live? What grade level are you in? If kicked your trailer trash ass off a train in St. Louis. and you were traveling at ...
Never mind...
Keep typing retard.
...Just keep typing...

n4292936
07-23-2004, 06:42 AM
But I also make more in a year than you'll see in the next 10 years.
rofl rofl Im sure glad I dont suffer from small penus syndrome ;) rofl

A Soldier
07-23-2004, 07:13 AM
Amazing how this turned into a "my daddy is better than yours" bashing rofl

mobster
07-23-2004, 07:16 AM
A. It's *****.
B. You are a down-sydrome child.


Let it go.

You can't win.

Really, you can't.

And yes, I pull that much a year.


Really let it go...

n4292936
07-23-2004, 07:29 AM
ya for some reason that's one of those words I could never spell right.
and yes, its true, I chronically get down. My father is a close relative of James Brown.
I think you are the greatest human being alive Mobster... no really I do :P

mocking_loudly_died
07-23-2004, 09:33 AM
A. It's *****.
B. You are a down-sydrome child.


Let it go.

You can't win.

Really, you can't.

And yes, I pull that much a year.


Really let it go...

Ho hum.

Minnie mouse propels more deviant bite than your tiresome placebo commentary. This is like watching a slow-witted zoo animal attempting to figure out that it has been owned.

That’s right darling; stand there scratching that cranium and make me a monkey noise – much better. If 12 months of human development therapy doesn’t work out we can always approach the knackery and put your pieces to good community use in the ever-expanding pet food industry.

Simple goals for the scholarly challenged or dog fodder – it’s your call.

Amen.