Deserted Kaliningrad in photos

[jetsetter]

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Information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast

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An unfortunate situation for sure. At the end of the war the Soviets deported all of the German citizens left in the area and imported thousands of Russians. Cities, towns, streets, etc were all given new Russian names and much of the history of the area was lost. Just one more example of cruel Soviet behavior that led to degradation.

[Konst]

And in the USSR ate babies for breakfast and sucked blood of virgins

[Mango Madness]

Boo hoo, places were given Russian names after it became Russian territory. I'm sure keeping the German names would have gone over well after they had just murdered 27 million of its people. The place was annihilated due to fighting against the Nazi's, it had to be built from scratch. Germans were deported all over Europe after the war after what they had done.

[CaptMorgan68]

Kaliningrad city main square

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on the streets:

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so stfu about it being deserted .. does this look deserted to u? can we just leave Kaliningrad the f alone? it's Russian now.. end of story.. plz

[jetsetter]

Kaliningrad city main square

Indeed. Königsberg was largely destroyed during the fighting. Most of what is seen today is Russian Kaliningrad.


And in the USSR ate babies for breakfast and sucked blood of virgins

Interestingly enough the more I read about the Soviet Union the more I despise it. I was actually expecting my feelings to go the other way as they usually do when I become more aware of an entity's history but not so in this case.

[callous]

From the wiki link you posted...

Currently it is one of Russia's best performing regional economies, bolstered by a low manufacturing tax rate, as set by its 'Special economic Zone' [SEZ] status, given by Moscow. As of 2006, one in three televisions in Russia is made in Kaliningrad, and its population is one of few in Russia which has seen recent strong growth.

[Konst]

Indeed. Königsberg was largely destroyed during the fighting. Most of what is seen today is Russian Kaliningrad.



Interestingly enough the more I read about the Soviet Union the more I despise it. I was actually expecting my feelings to go the other way as they usually do when I become more aware of an entity's history but not so in this case.

If to read documents (i.e. the facts), instead of false interpretations of journalists, in you the respect for the SU has woken up at least. But if you wish to live in dreams about blood-thirsty Soviet Union, please.

[CaptMorgan68]

Indeed. Königsberg was largely destroyed during the fighting. Most of what is seen today is Russian Kaliningrad.



Interestingly enough the more I read about the Soviet Union the more I despise it. I was actually expecting my feelings to go the other way as they usually do when I become more aware of an entity's history but not so in this case.

well what did you expect? who ever wrote anything nice about he USSR in the West in the last 60 years other than some marginal leftist crazies?

[Thugut]

Kaliningrad looks ****ing awesome

[SevernayA]

Germans were deported in far greater numbers from Poland and Czechoslovakia and so what? The Germans invaded the Soviet Union and killed nearly 30 million people. It amazes me to this day that Stalin for once in his life acted with restraint... If I were in his position Germany would've been destroyed once and for all.

[Havoc345]

Boo hoo, places were given Russian names after it became Russian territory. I'm sure keeping the German names would have gone over well after they had just murdered 27 million of its people. The place was annihilated due to fighting against the Nazi's, it had to be built from scratch. Germans were deported all over Europe after the war after what they had done.

So your saying the average ethnic German civilian deserved to be exterminated and ethnically cleansed for something they didn't directly have anything to do with ?

[CaptMorgan68]

So your saying the average ethnic German civilian deserved to be exterminated and ethnically cleansed for something they didn't directly have anything to do with ?

I love how Germans had nothing to do with Nazi Germany but the Russians are always blamed for Stalinist crimes even to this day....

[Mango Madness]

So your saying the average ethnic German civilian deserved to be exterminated and ethnically cleansed for something they didn't directly have anything to do with ?
They weren't exterminated, stop making things up. Ethnically cleansed yes. I don't believe Poles nor Russians could have lived side by side Germans after what they had done to them, innocent or not (and don't give me that crap about innocent German civilians, most German civilians actually believed in their "struggle"). It's nice for Americans to pontificate, whose mainland and civilians were never attacked and who came out of WWII as the main benefactor with something like 50x less dead than SU.

[AlexMartin2]

What do you think, should we post pictures of Detroit and then say: "You see this is the result of cruel and anti-human capitalistic policies of US that lead to degradation" ? :)

[Mikas]

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This is Trakai castle, Lithuania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trakai_Island_Castle

[YevgenyP]

wow third Kaliningrad thread last time

[BLUE THOR]

Deserted = free (or at least cheap) land, so whats the problem??
If I lived in Europe I would be looking into it, could be a decent oppurtunity in there somewhere.

[Universal_Soldier]

Indeed. Königsberg was largely destroyed during the fighting. Most of what is seen today is Russian Kaliningrad.



Interestingly enough the more I read about the Soviet Union the more I despise it. I was actually expecting my feelings to go the other way as they usually do when I become more aware of an entity's history but not so in this case.

Who cares about what you think of USSR? you can believe or think what what you want for all I care...USSR is gone and it aint coming back, but the fact is your compilation photos are very deceiving. I live in St Louis and I can create a "desert St Louis" thread yet St. Louis is far from a deserted city.

[CaptMorgan68]

lol

even before clicking this thread I thought there's gonna be a ragefanboys defending the beauty of Kaliningrad "How dare you fascist, Kaliningrad is NOT deserted, just look at these photos I found on the net" (even if some of them are from the different countries)) "oh look at Detroit or any other dirty capitalist city, they are more deserted..

You Russiastroonfanboys make Baby Jesus lol

when ppl run out of arguments they start getting personal like you

[cv41emo]

The more that I become aware of European History and prevailing attitudes, the more grateful I am to my ancestors for emigrating to the 'New World'. Do us a favor and next time that you all decide to annihilate each other, please to a complete job and leave us out. Thanks very much.

[Xaito]

lol

even before clicking this thread I thought there's gonna be a ragefanboys defending the beauty of Kaliningrad "How dare you fascist, Kaliningrad is NOT deserted, just look at these photos I found on the net" (even if some of them are from the different countries)) "oh look at Detroit or any other dirty capitalist city, they are more deserted..

You Russiastroonfanboys make Baby Jesus lol

you should be the last one to talk about predictability...

[Tapper]

The more that I become aware of European History and prevailing attitudes, the more grateful I am to my ancestors for emigrating to the 'New World'. Do us a favor and next time that you all decide to annihilate each other, please to a complete job and leave us out. Thanks very much.

Best post so far.

[JCR]

Maybe I should move back where my grandparents come from.
:)
Unfortunately I have no skills at all as a peasant...
But the place names are somewhat ridiculous, the poles simply use the polish for of the german name, but the soviets just used fantasy names.
And fantasy names even for those places that have a connection to russian history like Tilsit or Friedland or Eylau.

[Flamming_Python]

In principle, ethnically cleansing the German population was the wrong thing to do, but in practise - WW2 had just taken place! I would imagine most residents of the city would have long fled before the Red Army took it. Keeping the land as part of East Germany would make no sense as it would be way too far from its new borders.

[zheka130]

now I want to visit, those deserted buildings are very attractive

but the center is beautiful due to its cleanness

[pacifist]

Then again let them be. Ruins of old churches symbolises the death of religion very well.

[JCR]

Some relatives of mine actually visited the place where my grandmother's family came from.
It is deserted, somebody tore down the ruins of the farm(destroyed by soviet Sturmoviks) but nothing was ever built in its place and the whole farmland is abandoned. Foundations still standing.
Practically no one lives or even works on the land for kilometers around. Strange, once it was an agricultural landscape, not it is basically wilderness.
So maybe if everything else fails I just move back and open a hippie commune there :D
It is nowhere near Kaliningrad, though, in the vincinity of Stallpönen/Nesterov near the Lithuanian border.
If I don't find enough hippies maybe I could take up the old family trade of smuggling things from/to Lithuania.
Which apparently was how they made the actual money back then...

But strange to think that a fast talking city guy like me who feels uneasy with too much green around him is descended from a bunch of wood headed hard drinking but not very talkative east prussian peasants from what was even then one of the most sparsely populated areas of europe.

[Cabalabro]

Looks like an interesting place to visit. I say that while watching all those "bad" photos of this region. Don't really get why RussiaStrong!!111oneone crew is so pissed about them. It is something that you can atract tourists with...

[YevgenyP]

It's time for me to run a hotel, i see.

[TheArmenian]

The more that I become aware of European History and prevailing attitudes, the more grateful I am to my ancestors for emigrating to the 'New World'. Do us a favor and next time that you all decide to annihilate each other, please to a complete job and leave us out. Thanks very much.

Judging from history (WWI, WWII, Balkans conflict), you "New world" people don't know how to keep your nozes out of European conflict.

[kalerab]

The more that I become aware of European History and prevailing attitudes, the more grateful I am to my ancestors for emigrating to the 'New World'. Do us a favor and next time that you all decide to annihilate each other, please to a complete job and leave us out. Thanks very much.

IIRC you once tried that policy of isolationism. Than you threw it away in exchange for world superpower status so do me a favour and next time try not to complain on things where you participated.

[Cabalabro]

It's time for me to run a hotel, i see.

Yea sure. Too bad you need Visa to visit Kaliningrad. It kinda wipes out biggest part of your potential clients..

[Clayton Gold]

Great pics in this thread. Thanks ! :)

[YevgenyP]

Yea sure. Too bad you need Visa to visit Kaliningrad. It kinda wipes out biggest part of your potential clients..

only richest will come :)

[Papenheims]

The more that I become aware of European History and prevailing attitudes, the more grateful I am to my ancestors for emigrating to the 'New World'. Do us a favor and next time that you all decide to annihilate each other, please to a complete job and leave us out. Thanks very much.
The problem is that there is no such power in Europe which could dominate others and put the defeated ethinicities in ghettos or reservoires where they would slowly drink themselves to extinction.

[AlexMartin2]

Yea sure. Too bad you need Visa to visit Kaliningrad. It kinda wipes out biggest part of your potential clients..

Russia and EU will get rid of visas soon. Maybe in this year. It would be excellent for all people. Some goods are very cheap in Russia, so many EU citizens will benefit from visiting, also Russian industry.

[kalerab]

Russia and EU will get rid of visas soon. Maybe in this year. It would be excellent for all people. Some goods are very cheap in Russia, so many EU citizens will benefit from visiting, also Russian industry.

Not this year, its been just two years since EU and Russia got a deal on a simplification of visa regime (regarding the multiple-entry visa) and thought the rest is still in the diplmatic hands it wont happen this year. Anyway its ironic that for EU citizien it is easier to get Chinese visa than Russian. Alas the registration on police office for family members of Russian citiziens which came for visit should be abolished, it´s nothing more than beurocratic problem.

[Ryder]

I like those war ruins. They're very picturesque, especially as they're 1/2 reclaimed by nature. They're also useful to give warning to anyone who might try something stupid, as some seem to be in favor of.

[YevgenyP]

I like those the war ruins. They're very picturesque, especially as they're 1/2 reclaimed by nature. They're also useful to give warning to anyone who might try something stupid, as some seem to be in favor of.

most of them are not the war ruins

[tluassa]

I read that most of the Churches in Kaliningrad were actually destroyed / not maintained anymore after the War, and fell to ruins mostly in the afterwar years. But I also read that recently the People living there are more and more discovering the historical value of their region and start to try to renovate also the German memorials and buildings. Depends also on the economic situation of the region as I see it.

[Holmes85]

Amazing pictures, thanks. :)

[Steak-Sauce]

Lost Places are sure very interesting. Thanks for posting, jetsetter!

[V.I.D.]

Information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast


Wonderful photos of a lovely Russian city, thank you! Any connection to the area, Jetsetter?

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Russia and EU will get rid of visas soon. Maybe in this year. It would be excellent for all people. Some goods are very cheap in Russia, so many EU citizens will benefit from visiting, also Russian industry.Not this year and probably not next either, but before Sochi 2014 for sure.

[Holstein]

Really nice pics here, as i said in several other threads about Kaliningrad, I really want to go and visit one day, hopefully sometime next year.

[tea drinker]

Another DOG****E thread about Kaliningrad

What do you think, should we post pictures of Detroit and then say: "You see this is the result of cruel and anti-human capitalistic policies of US that lead to degradation" ? :)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOWHERE IN THE WORLD IS AS DESOLATE AND HOPELESS AS KAAAAAAAALININGRAD! "O!))!O+

[Troubadour]

Stop being babies Russia... Oh noes! People are talking bad about a Government you no longer have, get over it. You guys seriously can't just take anything lightly, any mention of Russia in a bad light and you go ****ing nuts. Chill the hell out.

Also, Detroit went to **** because of the U.S policy of being far too pro-human. If we made the ****ing degenerates scramble for themselves we wouldn't have so many and we'd be better off. So cruel and anti-human is not the description you are looking for... Nice and pro-human is what ****ed us over.

[Fallap]

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Lol, Digrar and Macs?

[CaptMorgan68]

Looks like an interesting place to visit. I say that while watching all those "bad" photos of this region. Don't really get why RussiaStrong!!111oneone crew is so pissed about them. It is something that you can atract tourists with...

the title was very misleading... just wanted to make sure no one draws faulty conclusions) that's all folks

[khaz]

No Detroit is the result of American style communism. as it was ran into the dirt by democrats.

[AlexMartin2]

Stop being babies Russia... Oh noes! People are talking bad about a Government you no longer have, get over it. You guys seriously can't just take anything lightly, any mention of Russia in a bad light and you go ****ing nuts. Chill the hell out.

When you see threads with high amount of BS about Russia everyday, no wonder many people are overreacting. Also usual trollism "Hah, it is Russia Strong crew with its denial" add a lot to flamewars. For example Topicstarter could start thread without political agenda and everyone would be happy.



Also, Detroit went to **** because of the U.S policy of being far too pro-human. If we made the ****ing degenerates scramble for themselves we wouldn't have so many and we'd be better off. So cruel and anti-human is not the description you are looking for... Nice and pro-human is what ****ed us over.

Guys, I reffered to Detroit as a joke, to point that statement like "Just one more example of cruel Soviet behavior that led to degradation." is stupid and clear sign of trolling.
No need to jump on.

[asch]

oh gosh. google *insert country name here*+ghost+towns, enjoy the same ****.

/end thread

[Jyllenberg]

I always thought Kaliningrad was another wasteland of Soviet era. But some of those pictures show the different, modern side of the city and I´m bit surprised how good it looks.

Old German era ruins/repaired buildings are fascinating, would be interesting to see pictures of those before WWII.

[Meatwad]

I always thought Kaliningrad was another wasteland of Soviet era. But some of those pictures show the different, modern side of the city and I´m bit surprised how good it looks.

Old German era ruins/repaired buildings are fascinating, would be interesting to see pictures of those before WWII.

Way to ressurect an old threat brah.

[YevgenyP]

Why not to resurrect?
I can deliver news and photos if you want.

[Müller]

If there's more UE (Urban Exploration) pics to be posted then please do.
Political rants don't belong in a thread with pics of such beauty.

[Flamming_Python]

So your saying the average ethnic German civilian deserved to be exterminated and ethnically cleansed for something they didn't directly have anything to do with ?

Ethnic German minorities in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Baltics, Russia, etc... mostly co-operated on all levels with the invading Nazi armies and in many cases even joined up. East Prussia was a particular stronghold of Nazi support and militancy; you can sure bet as hell that most of those German civilians who fled from Kaliningrad were doing so out of fear of the 'Mongol Hordes' that they supported the culling and invasion of in the first place. Probably the only innocent German civilians were those from Germany proper.

[Müller]

Ethnic German minorities in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Baltics, Russia, etc... mostly co-operated on all levels with the invading Nazi armies and in many cases even joined up. East Prussia was a particular stronghold of Nazi support and militancy; you can sure bet as hell that most of those German civilians who fled from Kaliningrad were doing so out of fear of the 'Mongol Hordes' that they supported the culling and invasion of in the first place. Probably the only innocent German civilians were those from Germany proper.

He posted that the 28th of freakin' March.
And this is no thread for political BS, take it somewhere else (read the darn topic title.....)

[He219]

Probably the only innocent German civilians were those from Germany proper.
That's the most idiotic thing I have read on MP.net.

EVER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_of_East_Prussia

[IconOfEvi]

Im gonna trolls Russians heceforth by calling it Konigsberg ;)

Also, if you consider the only good Germans came from Germany proper, where do you draw the line exactly? Austria technically is a German country, that simply has too many pretensions to being separate and cooler.

Where Kallingrad had been "German" for centuries, a millenia nearly - unless somehow the Prussian tribes, who had been Germanic for centuries somehow still weren't Germans. Hell, they DEFINED Germanness half the time before the unification into Germany.

On a random note, one of my friends who is Prussian-ethnic dreams of retaking the old lands back, and extending into the Baltics XD. I don't really blame him - Prussia pretty much died as an entity after WWII - to be Prussian was not German anymore. Berlin, its historic capital, was now the prime battleground. Everyone found it easier to blame Prussian militarism than what was the real rationales for WWI and II. I suppose there is some German sympathy in the US Midwest in general, Wisconsin in particular as we are majority German. For some reason however, Germanfest means people dress in lederhosen x_x. As far as I know, most of the German-ethnic population here derive from Prussia.

[JCR]

Sorry Python but your comment was utterly stupid and uneducated.
East Prussia was "Germany proper". It was as german as Frankfurt or Stuttgart or whatever.
No sane minded person would've claimed this territory for another nation.
It was german longer than Petersburg is russian!
In fact, russia didn't even exist when the city of Königsberg was first founded.
Even if you consider the fact that Königsberg was ironically founded by the King of Bohemia (hence the name) and was long ruled by Poland, it was always a german city.
Silesia was always an area where polish and german people lived together and it is hard to tell apart who is what (hence Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski ;)).
East Prussia was always inhabited either by Pruzzen (native baltic people related to Lativans or something) or germans.
Not to mention the fact that the name "Prussia" for the kingdom comes from what was later called "east Prussia".
So basically east Prussia was as brown as the rest, but they had no special reason to become especially national socialist.
In fact east Prussians were regarded as a bunch of dull hard drinking tough peasants mostly, except for Königsbergers who had a reputation for fast talking...

[CaptMorgan68]

Why not to resurrect?
I can deliver news and photos if you want.

please do Yevgeny

[Ordie]

East Prussia is considered a spoil of war.

[Sashko]

Stop being babies Russia... Oh noes! People are talking bad about a Government you no longer have, get over it. You guys seriously can't just take anything lightly, any mention of Russia in a bad light and you go ****ing nuts. Chill the hell out.

Also, Detroit went to **** because of the U.S policy of being far too pro-human. If we made the ****ing degenerates scramble for themselves we wouldn't have so many and we'd be better off. So cruel and anti-human is not the description you are looking for... Nice and pro-human is what ****ed us over.



I thought it was because American auto industry forgot how to make good cars, outsourced half the jobs, and lost a huge market share to Japanese and German manufacturers whose product only kept improving.

[Russianlynxy]

some of you retards ruined a potentially good picture thread...

Kaliningrad is Russian, Germans seem to be cool with Kaliningrad being Russian - so whats the deal??

Kaliningrad, like ALL cities has it's beautiful and not-so places - Yevgeny please post pictures.

[Grey Stoat]

East Prussia is considered a spoil of war.
Like Karelia, Petsamo and Salla which we Finns lost to the Russians?

[asch]

girls, stop fighting, you're all beautiful.
now, let's see photos.

[Grey Stoat]

Let's enjoy the photos on this thread and nothing else.

[CaptMorgan68]

Kaliningrad/Konigsberg in the rain/fog

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[CaptMorgan68]

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[[WDW]Megaraptor]

Like most land that was re-arranged in the 1940s, it's history, deal with it. Russians live there now, it's not right to ask them to leave or become Germans. Almost everyone has moved on with their lives. Unlike some other people who were rearranged in that same time period (*cough*Palestinians*cough*)

[CaptMorgan68]

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[IconOfEvi]

girls, stop fighting, you're all beautiful.
now, let's see photos.

Thank you, now I am a beautiful princess too ;_;

[YevgenyP]

Im gonna trolls Russians heceforth by calling it Konigsberg ;)

look at my location

[IconOfEvi]

Oh ****, now my grand scheme is brought to ruin :(

[Russianlynxy]

Kaliningrad is actually much more interesting than I had imagined (never been there) - very unlike other Russian cities.

[[ KOOSHAB ]]

Kaliningrad is actually much more interesting than I had imagined (never been there) - very unlike other Russian cities.

Agreed,
I'd like to visit it sometime.

[daily666]

All the sides of Kaliningrad looks awesome to me.

And there are some good news:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.trojmiasto.pl/wiadomosci/Wracaja-nieimprezowe-rejsy-do-Baltijska-n40142.html&sl=pl&tl=en

[YevgenyP]

All the sides of Kaliningrad looks awesome to me.

And there are some good news:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.trojmiasto.pl/wiadomosci/Wracaja-nieimprezowe-rejsy-do-Baltijska-n40142.html&sl=pl&tl=en

see these ships every day

[daily666]

Fort day they lift visa restrictions, expect my arse in Kaliningrad.

[AlexMartin2]

Fort day they lift visa restrictions, expect my arse in Kaliningrad.
You should drink together with Yevgeny, praising eternal Russian-Polish friendship :) If you survive, then you can visit our beautiful Siberia and hope not to lose health drinking with us :)

[IconOfEvi]

see these ships every day

Wait wait what, you actually live there?

Prussian or Russian?

[YevgenyP]

Wait wait what, you actually live there?

Prussian or Russian?

pRussian :)

[IconOfEvi]

I thought most were deported.

You're from the few who stayed?

imo, Prussia was always the most interesting German state, one reason among many since they essentially were kind-of-Germans, declared themselves part of the Germanic group, and then proceeded to take over part of the Baltics, and call them Prussians, and by extension, German. Sure, Bavarians mighta been pissed at this, but its not like it didn't work. Austria didn't like it either, until they figured out it was a pretty swell way to operate. Imo, Prussians are the 'missing link' between Russians and Germans.

[eskachig]

Like Karelia, Petsamo and Salla which we Finns lost to the Russians?
I'd say so. It was even retained for similar reasons (strategic security).

[Grey Stoat]

I'd say so. It was even retained for similar reasons (strategic security).
Strategic security of Leningrad you mean?

[Grey Stoat]

Nice photos of present-day Königsberg.

[Extobulite]

I thought most were deported.

You're from the few who stayed?

imo, Prussia was always the most interesting German state, one reason among many since they essentially were kind-of-Germans, declared themselves part of the Germanic group, and then proceeded to take over part of the Baltics, and call them Prussians, and by extension, German. Sure, Bavarians mighta been pissed at this, but its not like it didn't work. Austria didn't like it either, until they figured out it was a pretty swell way to operate. Imo, Prussians are the 'missing link' between Russians and Germans.

I believe hes a Russian living in Kaliningrad. I wouldnt say Prussia is the link between Germany and Russia, even though Prussia sounds very close to Russia, but Prussia and specifically its military culture is admired in Germany and Russia.

[Extobulite]

I love how OP tried to throw dirt on SU and how he got slammed by Morgan and his photos.

[YevgenyP]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1209716/photos/mpnet/IMG_0829_1.jpg

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[YevgenyP]

Well they've been throwing money there recently, because people otherwise wanted to leave

wut? didn't get your point.

[asch]

Well they've been throwing money there recently, because people otherwise wanted to leave
you're talking out of your arse.

[eskachig]

Strategic security of Leningrad you mean?Well yes, actually, though Kaliningrad is also the only Russian (or Soviet) ice-free port in the Baltics.

[Snoshi]

I love how OP tried to throw dirt on SU and how he got slammed by Morgan and his photos.

Very easy to take some photos of the central part of the city and post them here.

[asch]

Very easy to take some photos of the central part of the city and post them here.
i guess it's too comfortable to believe in "evil soviet wasteland" for some people to give away such image.

[Switek]

i guess it's too comfortable to believe in "evil soviet wasteland" for some people to give away such image.


You can meet such "evil soviet wasteland" near neighborhood in the south of Kaliningrad and all western Poland in so called "recovered territories"

[asch]

still i tend to believe that it's more of a post-soviet than soviet issue.

[Switek]

I guess that both.

[YevgenyP]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1209716/photos/mpnet/0_40ff3_542b2994_orig.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1209716/photos/mpnet/0_40fe6_34d9e882_orig.jpg

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http://community.livejournal.com/kenigsberg/1065355.html?style=mine#cutid1

[Kutuzov]

Damn, that place is a desert just look at all the decay.

[Snoshi]

Damn, that place is a desert just look at all the decay.

Central part of the town.. Of course it looks pretty.

[asch]

Central part of the town.. Of course it looks pretty.
here we go again...

a few photos of ruined buildings - "damn them soviet barbarians destroyed advanced wesern civilisation!
nice photos of pretty city - "just fo sho! them russians pumping huge amounts of money to present us this pretty facade"

a funny attitude (silly, though) to observe.

[JRT]

Damn, next time I'll be driving up or down Via Baltica, I just have to stop in Kaliningrad and maybe have a sip of vodka with YevgenyP p-) It sure looks better than expected and better than my home town in the democratic capitalistic west. Too bad travelling to Russia is difficult due to visa & language barrier.

[YevgenyP]

Damn, next time I'll be driving up or down Via Baltica, I just have to stop in Kaliningrad and maybe have a sip of vodka with YevgenyP p-) It sure looks better than expected and better than my home town in the democratic capitalistic west. Too bad travelling to Russia is difficult due to visa & language barrier.

I can find a couple of really deserted places, if you want :) also these photos were made at Sunday so there is no common traffic jams which usually are abnormal

[Papenheims]

Still looks ****, especially the places where old architecture buildings stand side by side with renovated Soviet and post-Soviet ones.

[JCR]

Actually it doesn't look that different from cities in the former GDR.
Dresden in 1991 looked pretty much the same, and other bombed cities like Magdeburg or Halberstadt still do.
East Berlin is a bit better due to 1980s reconstruction of unter den Linden but the area around the Alexanderplatz is similar.
Gothic church amid concrete...

[Flamming_Python]

Still looks ****, especially the places where old architecture buildings stand side by side with renovated Soviet and post-Soviet ones.

I've been to Latvia, you really think that it's better? lol

[Flamming_Python]

Central part of the town.. Of course it looks pretty.

Soon you'll be saying; "It's just the port!", It's just the outskirts!", "It's just Western Russia, u know that East Russia is still cRAp!1"

[AlexMartin2]

You seem to generalize, fvckturds - for once I usually don't give a fvck. Said that, it's funny how all the Russkies who emigrated at the same period, miraculously discovered what a fvcking Russian patriots they are.

Of course they generalize. And patriotism is good. Anti-patriotism, like shown by some members here, often is a sign of mental illness.



P.S. "Intelligencia", with the the quotation marks? As opposed to you, the Intelligencia?
Well, word "Intelligencia" has pretty bad meaning these days. It is hard to find "intelligentski" people who are not stupidly criticize everything, but doing something good in real life.

OK, enough of chit-chat, here a Southern railway station in Kaliningrad:

But http://i044.radikal.ru/1004/8f/65a5d4cccc1c.jpg

[Sashko]

You seem to generalize, fvckturds - for once I usually don't give a fvck. Said that, it's funny how all the Russkies who emigrated at the same period, miraculously discovered what a fvcking Russian patriots they are.

P.S. "Intelligencia", with the the quotation marks? As opposed to you, the Intelligencia?



Russians who immigrated around the same period tend to sling even more mud at a place that gave them foundations and knowledge to make the big bucks in the West. Said that, there are very few ethnic Russians in immigration (as opposed to Russian-speaking immigrants).

And I'm not generalizing but rather speaking from personal experience. I see ex-Soviet circa late '80s immigrant Juice every day, and they are not the most pleasant people to deal with. Most adequate and mentally balanced immigration wave came around '99-2004, mostly professionals looking for greener pastures as opposed to political or religious immigrants. Plastic Paddy-like "Patriots" pretty much exist only on message boards. In real life I don't remeber when was the last time politics made in into a conversation, besides talking about local political affairs that have zero to do with homeland.

[Flamming_Python]

Russians who immigrated around the same period tend to sling even more mud at a place that gave them foundations and knowledge to make the big bucks in the West. Said that, there are very few ethnic Russians in immigration (as opposed to Russian-speaking immigrants).

And I'm not generalizing but rather speaking from personal experience. I see ex-Soviet circa late '80s immigrant Juice every day, and they are not the most pleasant people to deal with. Most adequate and mentally balanced immigration wave came around '99-2004, mostly professionals looking for greener pastures as opposed to political or religious immigrants. Plastic Paddy-like "Patriots" pretty much exist only on message boards. In real life I don't remeber when was the last time politics made in into a conversation, besides talking about local political affairs that have zero to do with homeland.

There are plenty of ethnic Russian immigrants; I don't know how it is in the States but here in England there are a huge amount of ethnic Russian immigrants from the Baltic states for example, as well as from Russia and other republics who came in smaller waves in the 90's and during the last decade. In terms of Russian Jews I can't think of many; I do know a few here but just not that many.

[Mango Madness]

From my experience with ex-Soviet Jews that immigrated from SU in the 90s to countries other than Israel, there is absolutely no difference between ethnic Jews and ethnic Russians.

[Flamming_Python]

From my experience with ex-Soviet Jews that immigrated from SU in the 90s to countries other than Israel, there is absolutely no difference between ethnic Jews and ethnic Russians.

x2 - With the exception of the communities of nationalist, pro-Israel, ex-Soviet Jews living in New York and in some other cities (mostly belonging to the first waves of immigrants in the 70's and 80's, rather than the later secular, economically-motivated Jewish immigrants).

[Papenheims]

I've been to Latvia, you really think that it's better? lol
lol what does Latvia have to do with anything?
**** still looks like **** doesn't matter whether its in Kaliningrad oblast or somewhere in Latvia.

[Russianlynxy]

lol what does Latvia have to do with anything?
**** still looks like **** doesn't matter whether its in Kaliningrad oblast or somewhere in Latvia.

Besides old "khrushevka" apartment buildings which over time phase themselves out, not really. New architecture looks quite nice and the city looks like it's busy - doesn't look too different than anywhere else in Eastern Europe.

[California Joe]

The pictures are beautiful, even the ruins, hell put a roof on a couple of those joints and I'll move in. What river is that? How's the pollution level?

[YevgenyP]

The pictures are beautiful, even the ruins, hell put a roof on a couple of those joints and I'll move in. What river is that? How's the pollution level?

what photo you are talking about?

[BroCalFur01]

10 more years and you Russkies should rename K-grad to Vladizapad.

[California Joe]

what photo you are talking about?

The river that runs through the middle of the city in a couple of those pics.

[JCR]

The river that runs through the middle of the city in a couple of those pics.

In german it is named Pregel, but don't know the russian name.

[Hyde]

Still looks ****, especially the places where old architecture buildings stand side by side with renovated Soviet and post-Soviet ones.

Just because 1960's-1980's architecture is not very popular or considered beautiful today, it doesn't mean its bad. That's hardly "Soviet or post-Soviet ones", that kind of architecture is found in masses in Western Europe and North America. Wait for one or two more decades, and people will find a lot of reasons to appreciate that kind of architecture.
And what do you think, that they can just replace all the "Soviet and post-Soviet" buildings? lol

[YevgenyP]

In german it is named Pregel, but don't know the russian name.

It's a bit funny but in Russian it is Pregolya which is actually Russified Pregel.

[CDN-SRB]

There is rather ;arge number of Russians especially east coast of the US. If you are looking for Russiaon Jewis communities, Boston is your best bet - quite large population

[Drax]

The first-post-photos in this thread are beautiful. I'd love to visit more places where there are huge abandoned regions, especially when they are so breathtakingly awsom as the well-known pics from Detroit etc. "Still Life"!