British General Election 2010 [Archive]

marktigger

03-30-2010, 04:13 AM

Well we have only a few more days until the government have to announce an election date. The Campaign has already begun with all the mud slinging.
The debate between the Chancellors last night could really be seen as the offical opening shots.
When polling day comes I am now at a loss who to vote for neither the Tories or NuLabour seam to be up to it, The liberals haven't a hope of forming a government. Then there is the other minority parties like UKIP are a diversion as they won't form a government . They may hold the balance of power in a hung parliment which would be a very unstable government which would not be good for this country.
I would normally be a Conservitive voter but the current state of them doesn't impress me.

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 04:39 AM

My prediction is a narrow Tory win but the ensuing chaos will have us back at the polls in 2 years tops. My greatest concern is that the Tories are to slow of foot and are almost wandering into consensus politics which seems really cool but is so un-British, another concern of mine is that the bulk of the Conservative party and prospective Tory MP's are much further to the right than Cameron and his team when I look at Cameron's everyman political style I see John Major in a better fitting suit.
Labour are not really trying hard to get re-elected I think they have put everything in the hands of fate its as if they know there getting back in soon enough. I reckon that if Labour drafted Blair back in they would get another 2 terms easy.
Well as ever its the SNP for me so no matter who gets into Westminster its a win-win situation.

Lazy Lob

03-30-2010, 04:40 AM

I don't know who I'm going to vote for. The state of the economy, corruption in all levels of poltics, brain dead politicians .......

Niall

03-30-2010, 05:02 AM

I''ll just vote conservative this time maybe avoiding a hung parliament for the sake of the currency etc. As others have said we will have labour back next anyway :P

Wahnsinn

03-30-2010, 05:05 AM

Voting Tory as their manifesto seems to appeal to me. They will chuck it out the door as soon as they get elected and George Osbourne looks a right slimey bastard but there isn't a lot of difference in the end.

CMNot

03-30-2010, 05:18 AM

Well as ever its the SNP for me so no matter who gets into Westminster its a win-win situation.

Alex Salmond was on the news the other day calling for increased public spending :lol: I'd like to move under the rock with him.

If I can be bothered to get up and go out, I'll tick Tory in the vain hope that there are some 'conservatives' (note little c) still out there someplace. Quazi-socialism and social engineering are definitely not my bag, I can safely say. With the state needing the biggest sword swing in 25 years, I'd like to see the regression to the 1970s come to halt, preferably tomorrow.

Billy No Mates

03-30-2010, 06:07 AM

I don't know who I'm going to vote for. The state of the economy, corruption in all levels of poltics, brain dead politicians .......

The choice is not exactly scintilating is it...both main parties seem equally despicable and all the minor ones are bad jokes....im determined to vote but none of them really seem worth the time and effort .

Stevey1

03-30-2010, 08:44 AM

I'm voting Tory- the only party that can oust the inept Brown and folk like Mandelson. I'm not hugely keen on Cameron, but I think the Tory lines on Europe, immigration, crime etc are sensible. 5 more years of coups and dithering from Brown would be a disaster

wotsnext

03-30-2010, 08:55 AM

Stevey1

03-30-2010, 09:02 AM

The Tories have a line on Europe?

Opposed to federalism, stopping in law future governments signing EU power tranfers without a British referendum etc (while recognising that there are more pressing issues other than Europe to deal with in the UK at the mo). Seems better than Labour's broken promise to hold a referendum on Lisbon (claiming that it wasn't a constitution). If the Tories had been in power last year, we would have got a vote on the treaty, for example.

CMNot

03-30-2010, 09:07 AM

I don't think we would. The Tory leadership are at least pragmatic, and can see the winds of change. If we are in Europe, we have a future. If we aren't, we're ****ed. If nothing else, Brussels is the only thing that has stopped Brown et al. extending their powers to a despotic, megalomaniacal level.

The country really needs some education in place for what is and what isn't the EU. The average Brit seems to have as good a grasp on what the EU is as an American does with socialism.

happyslapper

03-30-2010, 09:11 AM

Like almost everyone has said here, I will probably be voting Tory on the day.

If you'd asked me a year ago, my answer would have been quicker, but here we are on the eve of the election and still waiting for a spark of inspiration from anyone. All the mainstream parties, though it sounds slightly melodramatic to say so, are distinctly un-British at the moment.
In my opinion what we need is a period of traditional conservative values to stimulate the economy and 're-balance' several issues that have become simply insane. It's simply on a ''they'll have to do'' assumption that I will end up ticking Tory, because it's not as though they've been forthcoming in letting us know what they plan to do. I can't help but assume that whatever government is formed next, it will be a one-term-wonder.
What this country needs.... [drumroll] is a tory Tony Blair.

CMNot

03-30-2010, 09:13 AM

What this country needs.... [drumroll] is a tory Tony Blair.
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:-*$

p-)

wotsnext

03-30-2010, 09:25 AM

"Pragmatic", CMN is right, they will offer anything to get into no10, but just watch the unemloyment numbers :)

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 10:19 AM

Alex Salmond was on the news the other day calling for increased public spending :lol: I'd like to move under the rock with him.

If I can be bothered to get up and go out, I'll tick Tory in the vain hope that there are some 'conservatives' (note little c) still out there someplace. Quazi-socialism and social engineering are definitely not my bag, I can safely say. With the state needing the biggest sword swing in 25 years, I'd like to see the regression to the 1970s come to halt, preferably tomorrow.Well there's wanting and there's getting and we all know no matter who gets in we will be doing a lot of wanting. Wee Alex was telling the party faithful the other week of the hard times a coming so I think we know were for the shaft along with the rest of nation. I would rather see the money better spent such as filling in the fox holes at the bottom of my road rather than blowing £250,000 on hanging baskets for the town center.

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 10:23 AM

If nothing else, Brussels is the only thing that has stopped Brown et al. extending their powers to a despotic, megalomaniacal level.

The country really needs some education in place for what is and what isn't the EU. The average Brit seems to have as good a grasp on what the EU is as an American does with socialism.My Dad's of the same opinion on Europe he reckons they tempered both Thatchers and Blair excesses and kept the more looney ideas of Brown and his appratchiks subdued.

Mackie

03-30-2010, 10:37 AM

I don't know who I'm going to vote for. The state of the economy, corruption in all levels of poltics, brain dead politicians .......

Call 0049-Macs-help, take a torch and wait at the south eastern coast.
Help will come.

CMNot

03-30-2010, 10:38 AM

"Pragmatic", CMN is right, they will offer anything to get into no10, but just watch the unemloyment numbers :)

Unemployment is already ****ed. Of course, the actual figures nicely hide those with too much pride to sign up for £80 fortnightly sustenance. More troubling is the increasing 'generation' (not overly dramatic) of so called NEETs. Funny recession; if you are young, or old, you are relatively boned, whilst the middle aged privateer attempts to navigate a course through and the state carousel protects vast swathes of the population.

I would rather see the money better spent such as filling in the fox holes at the bottom of my road rather than blowing £250,000 on hanging baskets for the town center.

QFT. Story broke in the news today of an Afghan vet knocked off his bike and killed swerving to avoid a pot-hole :-( Big issue in the cycling community right now.

timetraveller

03-30-2010, 10:43 AM

I say vote none of the above because there is those whom were elected that have used and abused there postion for there own financial gain and have stolen from the people and only a 4 are facing the courts not bloody good enough ..

THEIVING SCUMBAGS THE LOT OF THEM ...

Parliment was created by the people for the people Oliver Cromwell once said ..

Typically being in position creates the aura where your ****e to greed and be manipulated by greed instead of helping the citzens that voted for you ..

In the end it's a rule for one and rule for another simply because of there status within society .. And Brussels can GTF and fk the Euro currency it's flawed and so can that Mickey mouse President of the European Council .. over paid and unjustified position .

Nepeccel

03-30-2010, 10:56 AM

I don't like change so it might be Labour for me!

Billy No Mates

03-30-2010, 11:02 AM

The country really needs some education in place for what is and what isn't the EU. The average Brit seems to have as good a grasp on what the EU is as an American does with socialism.

As much as that is undoubtedly true i don't think the scare storys each side propgates to justify its stance on Europe either Labour's line of 'were £ucked if we don't just go along with it' or Torys one of 'were £ucked if we have anything to do with it',the election will be won on issues closer to home,i would vote for either Party if they just had the balls to tell us that things have got to change and your all going to have to suck it up for a while .

nemowork

03-30-2010, 11:11 AM

Its about this time i start getting depressed.

I cant vote conservative because they have as much chance of getting elected round here as Elvis has of returning in a UFO.

I cant vote Lib-Dem because they're the establishment party of the local government types who run the city

I cant vote Labour because...well, doesn't need explaining but they're the establishment party and have been for the last 50 years.

There is a curious undercurrent going on though, a lot of people are considering the Lib-Dems as an alternative to Labour for the first time in a long time, unfortunately there's also a big push by the BNP who claim they're taking in massive amounts of new members as people abandon the established parties.

scttgillies

03-30-2010, 11:16 AM

End of the day they are all as corrupt as the other. Bunch of moneygrabbing, swindling barstewards. But ultimately, if Cameron grew a spine, and kept his promises to the forces, i would vote for him. Either that or bring The Iron Lady out of suspended animation. In fact there is more chance of the iron lady returning than a current politician keeping a promise.

Just dont expect me to vote for any of that bunch of ass kissing cvnts in Holyrood. A definate Parcel of rogues. Fookin hate them all.
Yes i will be going blue.

Proudgrandson

03-30-2010, 11:16 AM

Tory..... Not much to choose between any of them but it could hardly get any worse.

wotsnext

03-30-2010, 11:19 AM

Some classic Tory quotes.............
"There is no such thing as a society", M Thatcher.
"On you bike", N Tebbit.
"If its not hurting...its not working", J Major.
"I have a little list", P Lilley,
"A minimum wage would bankrupt the UK", K Clarke,
Etc,
Etc,
Etc,

CMNot

03-30-2010, 11:21 AM

In the interest of fairness, some Labour ones.

I have saved the world.

OK, so we only need one from that lot p-)

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 11:25 AM

Just dont expect me to vote for any of that bunch of ass kissing cvnts in Holyrood. A definate Parcel of rogues. Fookin hate them all.
Yes i will be going blue.Look on the brightside if were not for Holyrood and PR there would no Scottish Conservatives to vote for, that parliment that they so much despise saved their sorry asses up here.

Proudgrandson

03-30-2010, 11:28 AM

OK, so we only need one from that lot p-)[/QUOTE]

" go back to your constituencies and prepare for government. ..." David Steel

nemowork

03-30-2010, 11:30 AM

Some classic Tory quotes.............
There is no such thing as a society, M Thatcher.
On you bike, N Tebbit.
If its not hurting...its not working, J Major.
I have a little list, P Lilley.
Etc,
Etc,
Etc,

An end to boom and bust

mine is the first generation able to contemplate the possibility that we may live our lives without going to war or sending our children to war

The Arctic Monkeys really wake you up in the morning :D

CMNot

03-30-2010, 11:32 AM

Proudgrandson

03-30-2010, 11:39 AM

You know, I can't help but feel it would be to the benefit of all us if they did return to their constituencies and govern from where the problems lie. As opposed to getting fat in Westminster. Oh, but that's small Gov't with decentralised Governance. Red Ken would keel over and die.

Bearing in mind the English will be the only part of the UK population paying for prescriptions (as just one example) ny April 2011 how about our own parliament running English affairs.... which would mean Westminster would be running at great expense for just 'Federal' issues but its a thought.

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 12:20 PM

Some material that may help you make up your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeLSNzEorbI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnxPuidq1qQ

marktigger

03-30-2010, 02:23 PM

The Next tranche won't be the same as the current bunch. Most of those being returned will have learnt the lessons and will be under the new code of conduct and scrunity so many of the issues raised by the Daily Telegraph have moved on.
But am definitly not impressed by the tories at present Nu Labour have brought Blair back and they still haven't laid a glove on them. The Lib Dems have an Awful defence and europe policy they sound like they haven't thought seriously about many issues as they are only expecting to run town halls.
One thing I tried was sending a list of questions about issues that interest me to the parties at local level and not one sent me any answer to them just UKIP and Lib Dems replied asking me to ring their local party orginisers.
Just hope the campaign brings more clarity! Not the same old Tories are the same as the 80's Labour can suddenly come up with new ideas and the Lib Dems can wake up to reality!

wotsnext

03-30-2010, 02:26 PM

Mr Ulsterman. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwk0AzB3uX0

a_very_ex_STAB

03-30-2010, 02:34 PM

Lawndart

03-30-2010, 02:45 PM

I'll probably vote Conservative, in the probably rather forlorn hope that surely they can't be as bad as another five years of ZanuLabour. However, I can't say I'm overly enamoured with Cameron or Osborne either, and to vote for the Lib-Dems and the marginals is to in essence, throw your vote away.

The state this country's in, and the "calibre" of those lining up claiming they can save it is enough to make you weep with despair.

Tokamak

03-30-2010, 04:20 PM

Though choice, both are crap.

Thom

03-30-2010, 05:09 PM

Whoever wins, we lose.

I don't know if its been the same in the past, but there really seems to be a feeling of 'they're just as bad as each other, I don't want any of them to win' going around.

Lazy Lob

03-30-2010, 05:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/v/bujibXCpeKo&hl=en_US&fs=

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 05:33 PM

You have got to be kidding m8

'If you've failed in real politics play the Nationalist card' should be the motto of the Scots and Welsh Nats:roll:My apologies I had not noticed the line up of thoroughbred champions presiding over us at Westminster; worthy leaders of men that have three times kept to their oaths, keeping their souls clean and pure, never letting their hearts be defiled by the taint of evil and injustice, and barbaric venality. p-)

Niall

03-30-2010, 05:45 PM

Oh wow Blair is back. I hope he takes over from Brown..

I never understood why people vote for the SNP at all..I mean what is there to achieve by getting independence apart from being poorer?

marktigger

03-30-2010, 06:04 PM

Oh wow Blair is back. I hope he takes over from Brown..

I never understood why people vote for the SNP at all..I mean what is there to achieve by getting independence apart from being poorer?

Historically Labour has been the dominant party in Scotland and if you believed all the Bull Scottish Labour and the SNP put out all Scotlands current ills are the fault of the tory party which they believe is still under Thatchers control. So they can't bring themselves to support the Conservitives and Labour has left its core Scottish vote behind when it moved to become electable that they won't vote for them so the Protest vote is the SNP. But the SNP perceive this as a swing for Scottish independence.
However with the SNP making a mess in Holyrood it will be interesting to see what happens.

Will many of the little englanders complaiin if Scotland delivers enough Conservitive pro union MP's to give Cameron outright victory?

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-30-2010, 06:19 PM

Historically Labour has been the dominant party in Scotland and if you believed all the Bull Scottish Labour and the SNP put out all Scotlands current ills are the fault of the tory party which they believe is still under Thatchers control. So they can't bring themselves to support the Conservitives and Labour has left its core Scottish vote behind when it moved to become electable that they won't vote for them so the Protest vote is the SNP. But the SNP perceive this as a swing for Scottish independence.
However with the SNP making a mess in Holyrood it will be interesting to see what happens.Oddly enough the demographics of the SNP vote are less disenfranchised central belt boiler maker but more rural and middle class both groups feeling neglected by Labour and the Tories.

Will many of the little englanders complaiin if Scotland delivers enough Conservitive pro union MP's to give Cameron outright victory?Its possible but unlikely that Scotland will produce enough Conservative MP's to make any difference in the national vote and the only real Unionists round my way are octogenarian's or drug dealers who cannot go back across the water as they have had a bit of a falling out.

marktigger

03-31-2010, 08:49 AM

Anything in this election is possible even a liberal democrat government. What will muddy the waters is if it becomes a free for all of small parties or "Candidate in White suit/dress" and we get a hung parliment and the main parties are reliant on others to keep them in power then it will be a very unstable parliment. Imagine the Scottish, Welsh , Irish nationalists or the BNP, DUP or Ukip holding the balance of power, they will hold more power than the larger parties.

CMNot

03-31-2010, 09:00 AM

Lazy Lob

03-31-2010, 12:30 PM

Watch the markets and currency bomb in event of a hung parliament.

All three parties have to know that spending will be slashed regardless of the outcome, or pledges (because they've always meant a lot historically, haven't they?). A hung parliament will just divert, stymie and delay where it falls and how hard. Not what a country firmly headed south, needs.

You've seen the news stories about Brown remaining in power even if Tories win so as to stabilise sterling? This tw@t would scrap the elections if he could.

gazell

03-31-2010, 12:40 PM

I do not really have a dilemma, the local Lib Dem guy is most likely to win as last time, he is good, therest are rubbish, in the system, it's a waste of vote on anybody else, so I'm just watching. Shouting from the side...

You've seen the news stories about Brown remaining in power even if Tories win so as to stabilise sterling? This tw@t would scrap the elections if he could.

Nice. But then, he is not used to being elected.

CMNot

03-31-2010, 01:37 PM

You've seen the news stories about Brown remaining in power even if Tories win so as to stabilise sterling? This tw@t would scrap the elections if he could.

I hadn't actually. If that were to arise, I would join the throng throwing fire bombs. Bollocks, I forget that in Browns Britain, talk like that gets you on lists :roll:

Mr Gently Benevolent

03-31-2010, 02:30 PM

Nah Brown and the gang will slip aside and allow the Tories to take the flak for a couple of years the UK economy is a hissing cartoon bomb about to be passed to Cameron only to detonate in his face. We will blame the Tories for the mess and reluctantly welcome the New New Labour party back in.

CMNot

03-31-2010, 02:40 PM

New New Labour.
kjhkjhkjhh
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Preacher_01/what-you-did-there-i-see-itthumbnai.jpg

a_very_ex_STAB

03-31-2010, 02:45 PM

My apologies I had not noticed the line up of thoroughbred champions presiding over us at Westminster; worthy leaders of men that have three times kept to their oaths, keeping their souls clean and pure, never letting their hearts be defiled by the taint of evil and injustice, and barbaric venality. p-)

Yeah the Scots and Welsh nats failed at that ;-) the LOSERS! :-)

marktigger

04-06-2010, 05:03 AM

6/4/10/10:00 Brown has just left Downing Street to go to the Palace to ask the Queen to dissolve Parliment. (My preference would be in a bath of sulphuric acid)

So its Begun at last!

marktigger

04-06-2010, 05:37 AM

Well he's back!
And Cameron has made his opening gambit

wotsnext

04-06-2010, 05:42 AM

6/4/10/10:00 Brown has just left Downing Street to go to the Palace to ask the Queen to dissolve Parliment. (My preference would be in a bath of sulphuric acid)

So its Begun at last!
I lol'd, its going to be an interesting few weeks.

marktigger

04-06-2010, 05:49 AM

well its offical GB is making his Gambit And DC has made his

marktigger

04-06-2010, 05:50 AM

I lol'd, its going to be an interesting few weeks.

Remember the Chinese Curse "May you live in interesting times"

CMNot

04-06-2010, 05:57 AM

(My preference would be in a bath of sulphuric acid)
lkjlkjlkjj
rofl

michailk

04-06-2010, 06:55 AM

Gordon Brown is the right guy in these turbulent times.The other young chap can continue his career as PR after the defeat.

xav

04-06-2010, 07:35 AM

Gordo the Gold-seller

happyslapper

04-06-2010, 07:44 AM

Dates confirmed as 15th, 22nd, and 29th of April for party leaders' televised debates.

Billy No Mates

04-06-2010, 07:58 AM

Dates confirmed as 15th, 22nd, and 29th of April for party leaders' televised debates.

It might be strangely compelling to have these three wise monkeys screeching at each other,i might even forgo watching 'What Katie Did Next' in order see the spectacle .

BLUE THOR

04-06-2010, 08:06 AM

So, who's voting BNP then??

Billy No Mates

04-06-2010, 08:09 AM

So, who's voting BNP then??

Retards mainly .

coltfan111

04-06-2010, 09:33 AM

Lol, BNP and UKIP are strictly for the EU protest vote.This election actually matters.

It's not really voting for who would do the most benefit,but who would do the least damage.
I'm going Tory. I can't stand Labor anymore, from immigration to...well nearly everything.

I wonder how many votes the BNP will get though.

Lazy Lob

04-06-2010, 10:18 AM

(My preference would be in a bath of sulphuric acid)

rofl Join the queue.

happyslapper

04-06-2010, 10:51 AM

The Beeb have launched an election microsite:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm

Seems to confirm what the papers have said this morning, that the Tories have jumped to a 10 point lead. I guess now that it's actually confirmed as happening, people who were toying with the idea of Labour ''not being too bad for another five years'' have firmly slapped themselves.

Derbedeu

04-06-2010, 11:31 AM

Would any of you welcome the prospect of a coalition government? For that matter, is such a thing possible, i.e. have the Lib-Dems entertained the idea of a coalition with either of the two major parties? Or have they unequivocally ruled out a coalition with one or both parties?

coltfan111

04-06-2010, 11:57 AM

Derbedeu

04-06-2010, 12:03 PM

Nah, don't fancy that.

Could you elaborate please? Why would you be against the notion of a coalition? You don't think there would be a consensus within the coalition?

coltfan111

04-06-2010, 12:08 PM

Could you elaborate please? Why would you be against the notion of a coalition? You don't think there would be a consensus within the coalition?

Coalition governments often end up in a mess. Also the only remotely realistic coalition would be a Labor/Lib-Dem one, that thought makes me cringe.

wotsnext

04-06-2010, 12:11 PM

Coalition governments often end up in a mess.
Seems to me, they all end up in a mess :)

Derbedeu

04-06-2010, 12:13 PM

Coalition governments often end up in a mess.

They seem to have done fine leading Britain through two World Wars. http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6445/nixweiss.gif (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/nixweiss.gif/)

coltfan111

04-06-2010, 12:17 PM

They seem to have done fine leading Britain through two World Wars. http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6445/nixweiss.gif (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/nixweiss.gif/)

Seemed to do fine recently in Holland too....oh wait

wotsnext

04-06-2010, 12:18 PM

Slapper beat me to it.

marktigger

04-06-2010, 12:30 PM

Parties like the BNP and UKIP may keep enough votes away from Labour and Conservative parties to let other Candidates in.

Lib dem leader has said he won't comit himself to who he would back as a Coalition partner but some of his MP's appear to be briefing already as to who he should be backing. Maybe they should wait till May the 8th and decide

Derbedeu

04-06-2010, 12:44 PM

Seemed to do fine recently in Holland too....oh wait

There's no denying that any coalition always runs the risk of falling apart. But coalitions, IMO, have the benefit of ameliorating some of the more adverse (i.e. ideologically driven) policies of Parties, especially if run with a mindset of reaching a consensus. So yes, the risk is greater, but IMO the reward is too.

happyslapper

04-06-2010, 01:39 PM

Who in their right mind would want a coalition government? This is a time for strong leadership and effective uncompromising policies, not for endless in-fighting and destructive one-up-manship.

oldsoak

04-06-2010, 01:42 PM

Depends.
If the uncompromising leadership takes us deeper up sh*t creek, then I'd welcome a coalition that dithered on the way !

CMNot

04-06-2010, 03:33 PM

At the risk of repeating myself, a hung Parliament will send the markets and sterling tanking. The City knows the mess that that will proliferate.

Lazy Lob

04-06-2010, 06:39 PM

There's no denying that any coalition always runs the risk of falling apart. But coalitions, IMO, have the benefit of ameliorating some of the more adverse (i.e. ideologically driven) policies of Parties, especially if run with a mindset of reaching a consensus. So yes, the risk is greater, but IMO the reward is too.

WTF are you talking about? Touchy fealy crap is for euro Mills and Boon shyte. Keep on dreaming.

Lazy Lob

04-06-2010, 06:42 PM

At the risk of repeating myself, a hung Parliament will send the markets and sterling tanking. The City knows the mess that that will proliferate.

And that is what is called common sense.

nemowork

04-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Not to be confused with House of Commons sense which has completely different rules.

timetraveller

04-06-2010, 07:40 PM

Was watching new tonight and Gordon Brown stated he will create 1 million highly skilled jobs in the uk over the next 5 yrs ..

I wonder what in Gordons mind is a highly skilled job ??

Does he think that someone wrking in housekeeping is a skilled job .. washing dishes ... ????

I would really like to know his version of skilled jobs ??

It's bad enough when you have Dyson that ships manufacturing abroad simply because he's tight git that don't want to pay UK workers a proper wage .. and for tax reasons ..

NorthernFury

04-06-2010, 07:52 PM

Yes. The "Conservatives" are really going to help you! :roll:
They've sold-out a long time ago!

http://www.youtube.com/v/Vkb7TZq5Gpg

coltfan111

04-06-2010, 08:20 PM

At the risk of repeating myself, a hung Parliament will send the markets and sterling tanking. The City knows the mess that that will proliferate.

Was going to say that too, but it has been said a million times already.

marktigger

04-07-2010, 04:32 AM

I also wonder how the Little Englanders would react if the next govt was kept in power by the Scottish or Welsh Nationalists and got concessions to do so?

I would say the opinion poles could change over the next few weeks.

Many people will still bang on about expenses but hopefully the new code of conduct will sort that out. But its nice to see all the party appointees handing in their mobile phones and passes.

CMNot

04-07-2010, 04:44 AM

Does he think that someone wrking in housekeeping is a skilled job ..

Spacial Configuration Technician p-)

washing dishes ... ????

Utensil Hygiene Consultant p-)

New Labour have, since day dot, been a lipstick/pig kind of party. That said, following Browns Leftward lurches, zaNu Labour is long dead. Shame the same can't be said about him.

Yes. The "Conservatives" are really going to help you! :roll:

I got to 'indigenous' before I spewed in my own mouth.

I'm from good Anglo-Saxon stock; therefore I am not indigenous; therefore Nick Griffin can SUCK MY ****.

marktigger

04-08-2010, 04:45 AM

I see Gordon Brown really wants to speak to ordinary people during the campaign!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7564672/Gordon-Brown-lost-for-words-as-father-confronts-him-on-education.html

CMNot

04-08-2010, 12:58 PM

Can't get in to his chosen school? Certainly sounds like a 'future fair for all' (commie alert).

marktigger

04-08-2010, 01:15 PM

but i'm sure the local Labour Party functionaries kids all go to the schools of their choice! It shouldn't make any difference what school a child goes to as they should all be of a good standard but given the ammount of garbage this lot have thrown at education I can see why there is so much difficulty.

happyslapper

04-10-2010, 03:50 PM

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6120/25235101501708517403116.jpg

http://mydavidcameron.com/

^
Haha, brilliant

CMNot

04-10-2010, 03:51 PM

3 phone calls, and I still don't know whether I'm registered to vote. Nice, easy system they've got there.

Lazy Lob

04-10-2010, 04:50 PM

3 phone calls, and I still don't know whether I'm registered to vote. Nice, easy system they've got there.

Coz you're a saffer? ;-) [/ribbing]

CMNot

04-10-2010, 08:36 PM

That depends on which passport I've packed p-)

nemowork

04-10-2010, 09:37 PM

I'm just curious how the voting forms will turn up this time.

Did anybody else get the ones for the northern regional assembly that came in a pack with your name and a bar code stencilled on the back of the form so that your anonymous vote could be recorded officially to your name and address at a later date, as would the ones for local government elections that came at the same time?

It was so blatantly illegal you wanted to burn them except then we wouldn't have had the fun of seeing John Prescotts face the morning after when his pet project had been shot down by the local people he claimed to champion?

xav

04-12-2010, 09:32 AM

'Greek Style Unrest If Narrow Tory Win'

Britain could be hit by a wave of "Greek style" unrest if a Tory government narrowly wins the election and brings in big spending cuts, Nick Clegg has warned.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Nick-Clegg-Liberal-Democrat-Leader-Warns-Of-Greek-Style-Rioting-If-Fierce-Spending-Cuts-Begin/Article/201004215599056?f=rss

CMNot

04-15-2010, 10:59 AM

Bull****.

Only credible word from that article is "could". Like 'pigs could fly' or 'I could win the lottery'.

Great story from Sky, the people behind other news luminaries, like The Sun or Fox.

It doesn't matter one jot who wins, there is going to be industrial action. I just hope that the action hastens the failing of those bodies being affected, I'd like to see the strikes then lulz. I actually am tempted by the Lib Dems to a point (hell, an extra £1800 in my pocket? Yes please), but there is no way in hell I am voting for a party that at the same time wants to write off Britains nuclear deterrent and who masterminded such genius jaunts in British history as the Great War.

I'm just curious how the voting forms will turn up this time

Reminds me of the postal vote fracas/fraud. I drew a massive **** on mine and sent it back to the voting registration office (the same office that now I can't register at, hmmm).

marktigger

04-18-2010, 05:14 AM

Be interesting if the lib-Dems were the opposition to conservitaves with labour in 3rd place!

Some of my workmates live in new constituencies are are inundated with literature I live in a "Safe" seat and have heard nothing. If electoral reform does happen it should make every vote count.

Anyone know if the arrangements for deployed military personell to vote are going ahead?

marktigger

05-02-2010, 04:51 AM

well its the last few days of the campaign polling day Thursday. The debates have been interesting the swing to Lib-dems appears to be fading and with the numbers of Urban Labour seats even if they get the same percentage of the vote they will get about 50% less seats. Cameron is looking strong but its still looking lik a Coalition govt and Brown is history I think even if he wins the labour party will remove him. So by this time next week hopefully we'll have a government!

Mr Gently Benevolent

05-02-2010, 05:16 AM

I was having a blether with a couple of our local farmers last night and it looks like the SNP will be grabbing a few more votes amongst the West coast farmers which is new as they have been solidly Tory for decades.

coltfan111

05-02-2010, 05:20 AM

Bull****.

Only credible word from that article is "could". Like 'pigs could fly' or 'I could win the lottery'.

Great story from Sky, the people behind other news luminaries, like The Sun or Fox.

It doesn't matter one jot who wins, there is going to be industrial action. I just hope that the action hastens the failing of those bodies being affected, I'd like to see the strikes then lulz. I actually am tempted by the Lib Dems to a point (hell, an extra £1800 in my pocket? Yes please), but there is no way in hell I am voting for a party that at the same time wants to write off Britains nuclear deterrent and who masterminded such genius jaunts in British history as the Great War.

Like that Tax cut will be able to work past a couple of years, or at all. He thinks by giving us a tax free 1st 10 grand he can make up the annual billions difference by "getting tough" on tax fraud.Seriously, I came up with that idea in year 11 debate class and pretty quickly realized that it wouldn't work.

I think it is going to be a bit ouf a tough 5-10 years for Britain, but we always come out of it in the end. It could be worse, we could be part of the euro.lol. Oh wait, another reason to not vote Lib-Dem.

CMNot

05-02-2010, 05:48 AM

If we were part of the Euro, the Germans could bail our sorry arses out p-)

I'm fast approaching giving up caring. We're boned either way. I'll now vote for whomever I believe most will attack public spending with the most aggression and speed. I'd rather face a painful 5 years than a tiring 25 at this point.

Even if Labour finish 3rd, they'll have more seats than the Lib Dems. A good reason for electoral reform in and of itself, because you don't need to be a political scientist to see that that is FUBAR.

coltfan111

05-02-2010, 05:49 AM

CMNot

05-02-2010, 05:52 AM

Well, there's a first :lol:

wotsnext

05-02-2010, 05:59 AM

Whoever wins, two thirds of the population are disapointed, it makes one wonder about the system.

marktigger

05-03-2010, 04:33 AM

72 hours left to decide Rory Bremner is doing his election bit on C4. I will be interesting to see how the opinion pole results match up to the election result.

xav

05-03-2010, 08:33 AM

By the way, does the Queen (and royal family) gets to vote or even to endorse a candidate? Or are they supposed to stay neutral ?

Lov3ll

05-03-2010, 08:44 AM

By the way, does the Queen (and royal family) gets to vote or even to endorse a candidate? Or are they supposed to stay neutral ?

Neutral, it's rare you'll hear the royal family comment on anything.

CMNot

05-03-2010, 08:44 AM

Good question, I have no idea.

The new PM would visit her after the election and ask for her permission to form a Government.

Sydor Ukie

05-04-2010, 05:54 AM

Joseph Stalin: "'It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes'

Even if we ignore and pretend that our democracies are not shams and our "oppositions" are "controlled oppositions", you nevertheless have the one fundamental problem being the old farts (50+) who'll never change parties. Hell that woman who was called a bigot by Gordon Brown is still going to vote for Gordon Brown, Democracy at work!

Hauser

05-04-2010, 06:00 AM

Hell that woman who was called a bigot by Gordon Brown is still going to vote for Gordon Brown, Democracy at work!

No she isn't, I read an interview yesterday that said she wouldn't anyway.

CMNot

05-04-2010, 07:25 AM

Democracy and Britain go together like Britain and oral hygiene.

Come Friday you may well have a situation where the party with the 3rd largest vote count has a Prime Minister and more elected ministers than the party that came second. Democracy, my arse.

Politics, bull****. They wonder why half of those who can vote, don't vote :roll:

nemowork

05-04-2010, 08:26 AM

You can even count some of them these days.

Gordon Brown stuffs the economy and Labour votes fall to 28%. The party gets slaughtered for corruption and incompetence and they still get 28%. He insults little old ladies and it stays at 28%. You can pretty much guarantee the hardcore tribal Labour vote in Britain is 28%

CMNot

05-04-2010, 02:02 PM

So cynical nemo.

The FTSE has collapsed today, but I imagine a poll would show Labour support at a stable 28% :roll:

Lawndart

05-04-2010, 03:45 PM

According to the Voter Power Index I have 0.009 of a vote thanks to our retarded "Democratic" system. And they wonder why apathy reigns supreme in UK politics

timetraveller

05-04-2010, 09:41 PM

I shall not be voting because none of the candidates haven't bother there fkin arse to visit my area not bloody one of them at all ..

Why should I give them time of day when they can't be arse any other occasion ...Why should I vote for any party ..

happyslapper

05-05-2010, 05:52 AM

By Christ I hate Clegg...

First he hails his defence position as beyond criticism, because he managed to manipulate a quote of a few retired defence officials, and now he's accusing them of ignorance because they openly disagree with him and his appallingly out of touch views. Prior to a few weeks ago, nobody knew anything about the nob, now we know more than enough. Prick.

Conservative Party [x]

Mr Gently Benevolent

05-05-2010, 06:55 AM

Looks like the Tories have now become the fourth party in Scotland with 17% support in the polls. Not that it matters in this forthcoming election but long term its not good for the Tories at all.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/General-Election-2010-David-Cameron.6272436.jp

Niall

05-05-2010, 07:44 AM

Read it and weep Lawndart I have a voter power of 0.271 which is news to me because as an 18 year old first election voter I assumed one vote meant one vote. Gah a Monarchy would be so much easier.

Jamaika

05-05-2010, 10:42 AM

Why should I give them time of day when they can't be arse any other occasion ...Why should I vote for any party ..

Because their decision will cost you anyway. At least choose the smaller evil.

Corrupt

05-05-2010, 11:11 AM

Im on 0.129. Feelin the power right now. My mate in leeds got 0.015%

wotsnext

05-05-2010, 11:16 AM

I have an odd feeling the cons have "surged too soon"

Niall

05-05-2010, 12:09 PM

Got a few UKIP things through the post today. Pretty good timing from them as whats written on the leaflets don't seem half bad.

Also read a news article today saying 81% of people asked said Nick Clegg would be the best leader but up to 60% of them didn't like his policies!

Corrupt

05-05-2010, 02:47 PM

Also read a news article today saying 81% of people asked said Nick Clegg would be the best leader but up to 60% of them didn't like his policies!

According to todays telegraph 1/4 white van drivers would prefer capello as PM to any of the candidates

happyslapper

05-05-2010, 03:47 PM

Where is this voter-power calculator? Google has failed me.

Corrupt

05-05-2010, 03:52 PM

http://www.voterpower.org.uk/

Right there matey

happyslapper

05-05-2010, 04:13 PM

0.092

Just as well I'm voting for the Candidate who'll win anyway...

wotsnext

05-05-2010, 04:17 PM

0.092

Just as well I'm voting for the Candidate who'll win anyway...

You know something, we dont? :)

happyslapper

05-05-2010, 04:20 PM

Local candidate mate, there's a reason they put the only black Tory in Windsor...

wotsnext

05-05-2010, 04:24 PM

That says a lot about the cons, does it not?

gazell

05-05-2010, 04:42 PM

OK, now I did the silly too, 0.480 or something like that. Then it says, people in Chesterfield have the voting power of 1.9 times the average in the country. Well, the liberal is going to win here...

Lov3ll

05-05-2010, 04:45 PM

I have 0.696 p-)
All though it seems each party wants the voting system that's best for their party rather than what's best for the country, Tories want first past the post as they know the lib dems will vote for Labour and vice versa if it was a 2 round system; the lib dems want single transferable vote in the hope that people who vote Labour, and Tory would rather vote for the lib dems than each other and Labour doesn't care as they've completly fixed the boundaries of parliamentary constituencies to suit them so even if they come 3rd they'll still have more mps than the Torys and Lib Dems. :|

Scorchio

05-05-2010, 06:01 PM

My constituency is 0.796. Apparently the 45th most marginal constituency in the UK.

Not really surprising as part of it is in a highly populated town that grew up on the back of industry, with many families having backgrounds in large cities like Birmingham and Wolverhampton since the town expanded in the 70s and 80s (most of the town is in another constituency represented by a Labour MP). Much of the rest is countryside, with large farms and estates, with some up-market settlements in the suburbs and outlying villages.

Current MP is Conservative and I have no doubt that it'll remain that way given the slump in support for Labour. The population's getting younger on average though, so I can see there being quite a few fickle votes for the Lib Dems this time around, based largely on those TV debates rather than any intelligent though on their policies.

Personally I'm undecided on who to vote for this time around. Had I not retired last year, I'd be voting Labour in the interest of job security: I worked for a state-owned military repair and maintenance organisation, so the Lib Dem's defence policies were never any good for us, and the Tories have never been that keen on maintaining state ownership of anything.

What I need from a government now though is completely different; problem is I'm still not really sure what I really need from them. I realise my vote is a lot more influential than many people in this country and it'd be senseless for me to waste that privilege, so I will make a decision tomorrow.

CMNot

05-05-2010, 06:49 PM

That says a lot about the cons, does it not?

Check out how representative of the population the Lib Dems are p-) There is no bigger white, middle class, male club in the UK as that of the Liberal Democrats. But hey, Our Dear Leader tells me who is posh and who is not, as being a socialist automaton in my soviet town I am utterly incapable of thinking for myself.

God I hope I wake up Friday morning and the false and disproven ideology of zaNu Labour has been fired into space for good. I am at the point where after 13 years I would rather vote BNP than Labour. One might **** my country up, the other however, has.

CMNot

05-05-2010, 06:51 PM

Oh, and for anyone placing too much stock in voterpower ask yourself why it seems to have a heavy Lib Dem/AV Reform agenda. And google Martin Petts.

Kilgor

05-05-2010, 07:14 PM

When it comes to Tabloids, you guys are still the hyper-power

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/election2010/2959490/Save-these-girls-brfrom-dole-queue.html

MichaelF

05-05-2010, 07:21 PM

BIGOT: Acronym; Brown Is Gone On Thursday.

Niall

05-05-2010, 07:38 PM

Even if Labour win they should damn well get a new leader. Wonder if Mr. Blair is out of work at the moment?

CMNot

05-05-2010, 08:25 PM

Who would you prefer to Brown?

A Miliband?

Ed Balls?

Harriet 'Equality' Harman?

Jackboot Jackie?

Mandelson?

Their most untainted Minister with any sort of gravitas walked a long time ago. Despite my desire to never see a Labour candidate on the voting slip as long as I breathe, the best thing Liabour can do is distance themselves from the last 13 years as rapidly and violently as possible. Starting Friday morning.

nemowork

05-05-2010, 08:50 PM

Do you seriously think Brown will go?

He seems to genuinely believe that what he's doing is for the best and if he just sticks at it longer he'll be able to fix things and make it all right. He's got things to do like fix the banks and bring stability to Africa, he can't put that at risk by letting some chinless wonder get in the way of his financial genius. Have you seen him in the last few days, after the bigot disaster he's back on full form and campaigning like he's going to win.

Once this is over and the popular vote is in he's going to have to go visit the Queen and volunteer to resign, if theres any sort of weakness in the Conservative vote and he can get a majority by doing deals with Respect, the Greens or even the monster raving loony party he's going to stay.

timetraveller

05-05-2010, 09:55 PM

I shall not be voting ..

Eoin666

05-06-2010, 03:50 AM

When it comes to Tabloids, you guys are still the hyper-power

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/election2010/2959490/Save-these-girls-brfrom-dole-queue.html

You're only jealous :).......nice link by the way......to open at work!!

SDL

05-06-2010, 06:55 AM

I shall not be voting ..

can i ask why?

Gotta wait till my wheelchair gets back here before i can go out and vote...... but i will be voting... and voting Tory

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 07:32 AM

At 1130, my democratic voice was heard (all 0.092 of it!)

The clerks down at the polling station said that there had been a record turnout thus far (at that station), which is good news for our democracy. Though unforunately I suspect that many of those will be whimsical voters who'll vote on the basis of the last couple of weeks' shenanigans... which is not so good.

SDL

05-06-2010, 07:38 AM

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 07:42 AM

Saw that too...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/8664260.stm (<-- includes video of crash site)

Looks quite nasty to me, glad Farage wasn't too badly hurt. Not such good news on the pilot though.

CMNot

05-06-2010, 07:44 AM

A fitting fate to befall the rest of the embezzling bastards too, if I may say so.

Can't find my polling card. Can I just rock up with my passport?

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 07:45 AM

Yes, they just want to know your address. Take some proof of address/identity with you.

SDL

05-06-2010, 07:46 AM

A fitting fate to befall the rest of the embezzling bastards too, if I may say so.

Can't find my polling card. Can I just rock up with my passport?

While you don't need it.... it won't hurt to do it... you just need to say who you are and where you live....

CMNot

05-06-2010, 07:47 AM

Sweet, nice one lads.

N-G-F-O

05-06-2010, 08:09 AM

Done my bit. Though, I must say, Exeter seems very apathetic vis-a-vis Plymouth- who seem to be going scatty for it.
Now to sit back and wait.
Regardless of who gets in, things HAVE to get worse before they can get better, the sooner we, as a nation, suck that up, the better. Society wants something for nothing, but there's nothing left to give.

nemowork

05-06-2010, 08:41 AM

Dad mentioned that the station he was at (in a labour council seat) was almost empty, but the council seat next to us is packed out with Tory voters...

Als, UKIP Nigel Farage was injured in a plane crash this morning.... the banner they were pulling was either too big for the plane, or got tangled up with the tail (Depending on the news source i read)...

Considering it was the UKIP guy who pegged out with a heart attack in Thirsk and delayed their vote joining UKIP looks to be bad for your health.

A fitting fate to befall the rest of the embezzling bastards too, if I may say so.

Can't find my polling card. Can I just rock up with my passport?

Yes, they just want to know your address. Take some proof of address/identity with you.

I'm not too sure if thats a wonderful testament to honesty in this country or a worrying sign our voter registration security sucks.

Oh well, off to put my 0.243 to use.

Niall

05-06-2010, 08:46 AM

Corrupt

05-06-2010, 08:51 AM

Voted for first time about half an hour ago. Surprised how easy it was really. Could easily have claimed to be half a dozen of my mates since all they wanted was my name and address. Ah well. My insiginificant opinion has been recorded

CMNot

05-06-2010, 09:20 AM

Voted. A tender 28, my first time. Didn't hurt that bad, not too much involuntary discharge.

nemowork

05-06-2010, 09:23 AM

^ When you vote and hand in your card you will see them mark against your name so there is no chance of double voting. Unless of course you have multiple voter cards and can disguise your face well enough to fool them.

That proves a voter card sent to that address has been used, its no proof that the person standing in front of them at the polling station is the person concerned and isnt say, a care worker or a relative using grandads card. Not something you can abuse on a grand scale if you have to go back after the monitors have changed shift you can probably only vote twice, its easier to abuse the postal vote system and i cant see how you could improve it without a national ID card to compare against but its still not perfect.

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 09:30 AM

Wifey has just gone, I might go later, pretty safe seat for Labour.

Corrupt

05-06-2010, 09:32 AM

i cant see how you could improve it without a national ID card to compare against but its still not perfect.

Just require people to take any valid ID? Driving liscense or Passport for example as per alcohol and smokes?

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 09:35 AM

I dont have a passport or a photo driving licence.

CMNot

05-06-2010, 09:39 AM

Just require people to take any valid ID? Driving liscense or Passport for example as per alcohol and smokes?

I had to take my passport and proof of residence (ie mortgage statement).

wotsnext, I don't think you are eligible to vote if you are 'of no fixed abode'?

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 09:42 AM

I had to take my passport and proof of residence (ie mortgage statement).

wotsnext, I don't think you are eligible to vote if you are 'of no fixed abode'?

I have proof of address! and a voting card, but if I sent one of my children to vote, who would know it was not me?

Corrupt

05-06-2010, 09:59 AM

I have proof of address! and a voting card, but if I sent one of my children to vote, who would know it was not me?

They wouldnt. Or at least the girls at mine wouldnt. Gave them the card with my name and address on it. "are you X of address Y" replied that I was and they sent me into the booth to vote. Hardly secure...

CMNot

05-06-2010, 09:59 AM

I was always under the impression that there was a system for proxy voting?

If you and your son are registered in different parishes, no-one will know.

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 10:01 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8664399.stm

This baby can vote!.........or at least someone can :)

Corrupt

05-06-2010, 10:04 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8664399.stm

This baby can vote!.........or at least someone can :)

Wow. And i thought a leaflet from labour addressed to my 15 year old brother saying "Vote labour or the tories will take the NE back to the dark ages" was bad

SDL

05-06-2010, 11:43 AM

no one asked me who i was when i voted about an hour ago....

BlackWarder

05-06-2010, 01:28 PM

no one asked me who i was when i voted about an hour ago....

Prince Harry? :P

Warder

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 05:30 PM

Exit Polls.... interesting.

I suppose the silver lining is that the Lib Dumbs bubble has been burst. More than burst.

But they're only exit polls afterall.

coltfan111

05-06-2010, 05:40 PM

Going by this exit poll, what do you guys rekcon? Conservative/minor party coalition.

And Lol at the people in shefield who turned up late and couldn't vote.

SDL

05-06-2010, 05:41 PM

and they don't take in the Postal votes either...

Interesting to note there's reports of people queuing outside PS's and haven't been able to vote as they weren't able to get in before the deadline.....

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 05:44 PM

FFS, not one seat has been won yet, Labor will breeze it. :)

Euroamerican

05-06-2010, 05:53 PM

You guys have laws that keep the pubs closed until the polls close on election night? They have that over here in some US cities.. Supposedly keeps people from voting drunk.

SDL

05-06-2010, 05:55 PM

First result just came in..... Labout keep Sunderland... but with their majority down by 12%....

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 05:59 PM

You guys have laws that keep the pubs closed until the polls close on election night? They have that over here in some US cities.. Supposedly keeps people from voting drunk.

No buddy, we dont.

BlackWarder

05-06-2010, 06:01 PM

Just a question, can emebers of the royal family vote?

Warder

Breerman

05-06-2010, 06:06 PM

Cameron has an interesting family background to say the least.

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 06:07 PM

I guess technically they can, but for senior Royals it would be highly improper. It goes without saying that the Queen can't vote - it being her own government and all.

Put it this way, I didn't see any Royals popping down from Windsor Castle to the polling station while I was there.

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 06:07 PM

Cameron has an interesting family background to say the least.

As do all the others. Nick Clogg being the most 'interesting'.

wotsnext

05-06-2010, 06:09 PM

Cameron has an interesting family background to say the least.
I'm sure they will do very nicely if he gets in power.

coltfan111

05-06-2010, 06:24 PM

Wooo Islington south representin'. Police called to stop scuffles by people not being able to vote. Why do they show up at 9.30 to vote??

Blackcatnursery

05-06-2010, 06:30 PM

First result in and it proves the old adage you can put a pig up and people will vote for it (Washington)
11.6% swing to cons

nemowork

05-06-2010, 06:32 PM

Because they didnt know there was a 10 O'clock cutoff, they thought the polls would stay open till they personally had voted?

Loved the guy in Sheffield who suggested they write their votes on their registration cards then post them through Nick Cleggs door so he could take them in to be counted in the morning :lol:

Blackcatnursery

05-06-2010, 06:36 PM

SpankyMcCollins

05-06-2010, 06:37 PM

Here's hoping to a hung parliament !

Hauser

05-06-2010, 06:55 PM

From the pictures on Sky News all of the ballots are being stored in "Really Useful" boxes (they are really usefull). I do feel some sympathy for the people who couldn't vote, they couldn't foresee an hour and a half wait. Apparently it is all students' fault, not having their registration cards and not knowing their address, so having to manually look through the records for the name.

Nepeccel

05-06-2010, 06:58 PM

Just a question, can emebers of the royal family vote?

Warder

The immediate royal family can't vote, however some members are able to vote

Niall

05-06-2010, 07:03 PM

You guys have laws that keep the pubs closed until the polls close on election night? They have that over here in some US cities.. Supposedly keeps people from voting drunk.

It's a right here to be able to vote whether you are under the influence of drink or drugs! Awesome eh?

happyslapper

05-06-2010, 07:08 PM

Several polling stations are IN pubs!!!

nemowork

05-06-2010, 07:10 PM

Theres a classic one theyre showing down in Gloucestershire where the polling station is in the pubs back room so you can call in for a pint, vote and and go home.

Its one of the few polling areas where they have had 100% turnout :lol:

Eat a bullet

05-06-2010, 07:25 PM

It's a right here to be able to vote whether you are under the influence of drink or drugs! Awesome eh?

Several polling stations are IN pubs!!!
Well, that makes sense.

Scorchio

05-06-2010, 07:37 PM

There's a pub near me that has TWO polling stations in it.

However, my designated polling station is more or less a shed. :-|

Mr Gently Benevolent

05-06-2010, 07:44 PM

They reckon the Greens might get a seat in Brighton.

CMNot

05-06-2010, 08:32 PM

Figures, Brighton is full of queers. For realz.

Seriously, I went into a busy polling station without my card...it took them about 45 seconds to find me on a list and all of 15 seconds to walk from the table, mark my ballot, submit it, and head for the door. Is 15 hours really not long enough to pull ones finger from out thine arse?

SDL

05-06-2010, 09:20 PM

on a slightly different note... this is my set up for watching this all unfold...

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3986/p06051020590001.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/p06051020590001.jpg/)

CMNot

05-06-2010, 09:57 PM

Lembit Opik is toast. lols.

SDL

05-06-2010, 09:58 PM

Cameron just held Witney....

B_706K

05-06-2010, 10:24 PM

Tories got High Peak where I live..
And just for the lulz anyone remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/v/6VaP1HB7Vew

kawaiku

05-07-2010, 12:18 AM

I just turned on C-SPAN here in the states and they have the BBC on following the election happening over there. I've been pretty busy with school so I haven't had time to brush up on UK politics or what this election means for the UK so I am asking if someone can PM some info or at least the basics.

Thanks.

Hauser

05-07-2010, 02:21 AM

If we end up with a Lib-Lab coalition with only a couple of seats majority over the conservatives I will go f*cking mental. According to sky there were hundreds of people turned away at Sheffield, Manchester and London polling stations. Birmingham and Newcastle stations let people vote after 10pm, claiming that they were givien ballot papers before 10pm, but I don't think this is true as getting the papers takes longer than putting a cross in a box. Liverpool stations ran out of papers, what a debacle. If any of these seats were closely contested I can see a sh*t storm coming.

SDL

05-07-2010, 02:26 AM

the people that didn't bother going to vote till the last minute can go and STFU... you had from 7am.... MORE than enough time to spare a few minutes to vote....

The places where there weren't enough papers, or the list was messed up.... those are the ones you can complain about.

Brown CANNOT survive with a Lib/Lab debacle....

coltfan111

05-07-2010, 03:03 AM

Labour have been whoped, simple as. They should just accept that the people do not want them anymore. The Libs have flopped, it may look like they even lost seats. if they start trying to claw onto power and make power grabs then we may as well be voting for ZANU PF.

happyslapper

05-07-2010, 03:37 AM

This is worrying, for everyone.

It could go either way. Any of them could be PM, and we could have one of 2 very different coalitions. This is where the vote has led us...

The Queen is going to have a very difficult meeting after lunch, followed bu some desperate last-gasp efforts by just about everyone.

Business confidence to take us out of the recession? You must be joking.

ServerStalker

05-07-2010, 03:51 AM

This is screwed up. As is if any of them get in without an overall majority there will be a **** storm. But I think a lab-lib would be better than a con-?. This is the reason the lab-libs should get in to change the system now so this crap don't happen again. Either way if either get in expect there to be a kickout within a year because they won't be able to work together.

Corrupt

05-07-2010, 05:08 AM

the people that didn't bother going to vote till the last minute can go and STFU... you had from 7am.... MORE than enough time to spare a few minutes to vote....

I loved the woman in Nick Cleggs constituency saying "Theres 80 people here, we could have made the difference" What to his 15k Majority?....
Agreed, if you turned up with minutes to go, your an idiot. No papers/bad lists then yeah bitch and moan, especially if its a close result!
I cant see Brown holding on for long after this. I think he should go with dignity

Bit annoyed that my vote didnt swing it for the Tories first time out, but there was a 7.4% swing cutting their majority right down

wotsnext

05-07-2010, 05:10 AM

Sh1t sandwich...........

Mr Gently Benevolent

05-07-2010, 05:42 AM

Coalition or no coalition the Tories will be f#cked into a cocked hat in any proposal by a Lib/Lab opposition pact.

Clegg just on the TV and it
looks like Clegg has opened the door to the Tories!

Corrupt

05-07-2010, 05:55 AM

Aye truedat!

Interesting greens have a seat despite having about half the votes of the BNP and a third or so of the UKIP guys. Might encourage the minor parties a bit

martinexsquaddie

05-07-2010, 07:01 AM

gordon may not be wanted
Dave is really wanted either.
niether were terribly impressive

Lov3ll

05-07-2010, 07:02 AM

Party------------------Seats------Gain--------Loss-------Net--------Votes--------------- % -------------+/-%
Conservative--------291---------95---------3----------+92-------10,213,492---------36.0-----------+3.9
Labour----------------251---------2----------89---------87---------8,307,487----------29.3--------------6.3
Liberal Democrat-----52----------8----------13---------5----------6,481,602-----------22.9-----------+1.0

Disgusting how bad Labour screwed with the borders, so even if the Tories have 2 MILLION more than Labour they still only get 40 seats more and the Lib Dems who are 2 million behind Labour are 200 seats behind? The last election Labour won with only 800,000 more than the Tories yet got 150 more seats, It'd be sick if Nick Clegg tries to create a coalition between Labour and the Lib Dems after the speech he gave this morning about the party with the most votes deserve to govern, even then they'd only be 10 seats ahead of the Tories and still 30 away from a majority not really sure how Labour can get a majority although there's still 30 seats that need counting.

happyslapper

05-07-2010, 07:21 AM

Another election in a couple of months? This composition is good for nothing. If Brown has a shred of honour he'll make way for a stable government.

Perhaps Cameron should do a deal; give the labour party a chance to reform themselves while the conservatives govern fully, and schedule another election.

futurepilot2004

05-07-2010, 07:23 AM

xav

05-07-2010, 07:23 AM

What's the score of the BNP ?

ting

05-07-2010, 07:30 AM

If there is a queue of voters outside at 10 you should close the queue, and allow those in the queue to vote. There might be valid reasons for not being able to vote before, and the voter shouldn't have to think about weather there is a queue or not. Queues means those organizing the election failed to plan correctly. A citizens right to vote should not be denied due to mistakes by those organizing the votes. Hopefully it will not have effect any of the results in relation to the seating arrangements.

On electoral system. Wow! 36%-29%-23% translates into 300-250-50 seats. In my book this is not a good system, and highly undemocratic. I think the British system could do with some movement to a system that is more proportional. Though I realize if one is happy with the result of the current election one might not agree with me. Perhaps one sees it differently after the next election.;-)

Anyway coalition negotiations are exciting so it will be interesting to see who gets what in exchange for what.

Ps. Love you Brits, Thank you for BBC and British humor.woot

muttbutt

05-07-2010, 07:30 AM

What's the score of the BNP ?
seat's?...none.
Vote % was 1.8+

CMNot

05-07-2010, 07:42 AM

Irrelevant BNP fail I think, so far. Peculiar election, when I fell asleep the Lib Dems, BNP and SNP were under-performing, MASSIVE swing and no Gov't.

Mr Gently Benevolent

05-07-2010, 07:55 AM

It'd be sick if Nick Clegg tries to create a coalition between Labour and the Lib Dems after the speech he gave this morning about the party with the most votes deserve to govern, even then they'd only be 10 seats ahead of the Tories and still 30 away from a majority not really sure how Labour can get a majority although there's still 30 seats that need counting.Clegg said he would enter into talks with the party gaining most votes he never exactly endorsed the Tories, I reckon the Tories will rebuff him over PR and they don't really need a solid majority to govern the UK on a day to day basis. The Tories have waited a long time for this I don't see them giving much away to the Libs if anything at all. I would imagine they would rather muddle through for as long as possible before calling another election and if they manage to pull off some of their austerity measures they might not want to call an election at all as the public would put Labour back in with a very slim majority. Oh yeah vote Conservative we put vat up to 20% cut spending on education and healthcare and now your green wheele bin only gets emptied once a month not that you can see your wheelie bin as its surrounded by a biblical sized swarm of flies attracted by the 28 day old decomposing mass of goo.

Derbedeu

05-07-2010, 08:02 AM

ting

05-07-2010, 08:09 AM

wotsnext

05-07-2010, 08:10 AM

MrScruff

05-07-2010, 08:13 AM

The mind boggles. After all the frothing on expenses and people still re-elect some absolute howlers, yet elsewhere thoroughly good bods have been binned off in favour of hedge fund managers and ex-bank directors.

PR is so clearly needed; a gain in vote share loses you seats? Yes we vote for a local MP to represent us, however that idea has been shat on for years by party whips and now by talks of 'coalitions'

Corrupt

05-07-2010, 08:21 AM

The fact that a Lib/Lab coalition would still be short of the magical 326 and would be depend on Social Democratic & Labour Party, possibly the SNP and still be a couple short of the number is a bit of a hurdle for them. Sure if Lib/Lab made up say 360 or so I could see it occurring, but if its propped up by 2 "other" parties, its going to look rediculous.

What's the score of the BNP ?

549,679 votes/ 1.9%- No seats

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/ full party vote lists there

CMNot

05-07-2010, 08:21 AM

The Tories really are a bunch of failures if you think about it. They went up against one of the most uncharismatic PM in Gordon Brown, in a country weary of Labour's 13 year reign, and yet, they still fail to get a majority!

There's a good chunk of people out there who stand to lose their state drip feed in a Tory led Gov't. If you got £8k for each baby you pumped out, you're not likely to vote anything other than the party you depend on for your monies. Look at where has and where hasn't swung. The old Soviet towns oop North, where the only work is state work. You're not likely to vote for people who threaten your job, are you? Cunning social engineering, exactly what zaNu Labour are all about.

Plus it's harder under first-past-the-post and boundary changes for the Tories to regain the ~7% head start afforded Labour. That said, PR would mean the BNP and UKIP having a say in the day to day running of the country. Thanks, but no thanks. We need constitutional reform before electoral reform, I don't hear the clamour for that though. Again however, I highly doubt we have any MPs with the intellectual abilities and neutrality to steer constitutional reform in any agreeable direction.

On a POSITIVE note; Jackboot Jackie, George Galloway and Lembit Opik are kaput. Worth the price of admission alone.

Corrupt

05-07-2010, 08:29 AM

The old Soviet towns oop North, where the only work is state work.

Im from one of those but I voted Tory!

Unfortunately as usual everyone else voted labour :P very good point. Englands map is about 80% blue with patches of red in the old working class industrial cities. Its interesting if we ignore Scotland its a massive Tory Majority...

CMNot

05-07-2010, 08:44 AM

Corrupt

05-07-2010, 08:51 AM

Here-in lies the rub though, doesn't it?

Tories have ~7% greater share of the popular vote than Labour, and have less than 50 seats more. The Libs have ~7% less of the popular vote than Labour, but 200 less seats. Not hard to understand why they want PR. Or that more people voted for the BNP than the SNP, but the latter has 6 (?) seats and the former none.

The map looks skewed because of voter density; Plaid Cymru for instance secured **** all votes but have two massive green blotches on the map.

Yeah your totally correct, but I meant the proportional map option.
For anyone interested heres the comparison if all the constituencies are equal sized...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/DemonofRazgriz/Ukmaps.jpg
Anyone amused by the MRLP or the guy behind Brown when he was reelected? Or the parade in Witney behind Cameron. Get some right characters.

ting

05-07-2010, 09:55 AM

Plus it's harder under first-past-the-post and boundary changes for the Tories to regain the ~7% head start afforded Labour. That said, PR would mean the BNP and UKIP having a say in the day to day running of the country. Thanks, but no thanks. We need constitutional reform before electoral reform, I don't hear the clamour for that though. Again however, I highly doubt we have any MPs with the intellectual abilities and neutrality to steer constitutional reform in any agreeable direction.

You could just use cut off numbers. I think we have a cutoff at about 3% or something. But then the party only gets one or two seats. If they get above 5% they get equalizing mandates. That means they end up with something like 10 seats. It's a complex system but local interests are protected(19 districts) and the final seating arrangements are quite close to the popular vote.

Lov3ll

05-07-2010, 10:21 AM

Conservative-Lib Dem coalition?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667938.stm

Niall

05-07-2010, 10:34 AM

Do they have a time limit on when to chose?

Old_Boy_Steve

05-07-2010, 10:37 AM

It's considered rude to keep Her Majesty waiting. It would also damage the markets if it wasn't to be rectified sharpish.

wotsnext

05-07-2010, 10:48 AM

I wonder what the average Libdem voter thinks of Clegg getting in bed with the Cons, I'd be really pissed off!

MrScruff

05-07-2010, 10:59 AM

I wonder what the average Libdem voter thinks of Clegg getting in bed with the Cons, I'd be really pissed off!
Unfortunately it's the only way their 7 million odd votes are going to mean anything. Signing away any chance of an opposition would be appalling though

wotsnext

05-07-2010, 11:03 AM

Unfortunately it's the only way their 7 million odd votes are going to mean anything. Signing away any chance of an opposition would be appalling though

Politically, they are closer to Labour, at least thats my take, its a real mess.

CMNot

05-07-2010, 11:14 AM

They were closer to Labour, until the latter lurched to the left. Liberals and Socialists are not historically close bedfellows - one treasuring personal freedom, the other championing state intrusion. Classic Lib Dem policies overlap with Tory policies (personal liberty) but incorporate 'social conscience' (i.e. pay for the weak, idle and pregnant) policies. I love the irony of how many women I know who voted Lib Dem because they think of them as progressive. They didn't seem to notice the lack of female MPs or candidates fielded by the Libs.

For my personal ideological view, I'm dismayed that in such a pluralist political climate there appears to be only party (regardless of how large or small) sat to the right of centre. Every other mother****er is Leftist.

wotsnext

05-07-2010, 11:30 AM

The Liberal Democrats hold the balance of power. And senior Lib Dems tell me that there are two non-negotiable conditions for them to prop up a government:
1) There would have to be an unbreakable pledge to hold a referendum on reforming the voting system;
2) Gordon Brown must cease to be prime minister.
The implication of this afternoon's statements by David Cameron and Brown is that only Labour can or will deliver voting reform (Cameron's promise of an enquiry on the issue won't satisfy Lib Dems).
But Brown's colleagues tell me its inconceivable he would give up office as the price of forming a Lib-Lab pact (and anyway, some would say that it would be utterly unacceptable, in a democratic sense, for Labour a second time to pick a prime minister from its own ranks who hadn't led the party though an election).
Or to put it another way, there are reasons why it looks impossible for the Lib Dems to form a coalition or even a loose informal pact with either party.
Of course, where there's a hunger for power, the impossible may suddenly become possible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/05/a_coalition_forged_by_a_sterli.html

gazell

05-07-2010, 11:39 AM

Conservative-Lib Dem coalition?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667938.stm

The only strong governmental majority that can be manufactured right now. If it does not work out, that means big crap. As if there wasn't enough.

coltfan111

05-07-2010, 11:59 AM

Brown will be claiming squatters rights soon.lol

Tories and Libs just need to form a strong coalition and get the economy back on track ASAP. At least the more bleeding heart policies of the Libs will be negated.

Hauser

05-07-2010, 12:02 PM

Do they have a time limit on when to chose?
After the last few weeks and the possibility of a hung government seemed likely, an unofficial agreement was made to get it sorted before the markets open on Monday morning. Its going to be a busy weekend.

Thom

05-07-2010, 12:08 PM

I don't know how anyone can look at the number of votes and representation in parliament and think 'yep this is a good and fair system', except perhaps selfish people for whom the status quo benefits. Other countries have much better systems and there really is no legitimate reason to not have reform, beyond that of doing all they can to hold onto power.

xav

05-07-2010, 01:34 PM

Governator at it again? :D

Alastair Campbell Twitter:
Arnie the Terminator declares the result! Hope he has told the Queen. Lots of long Tory faces on the South Bank. Chin up.
http://twitter.com/campbellclaret

Schwarzenegger's:
Just called @davidcameron to congratulate him on the victory. Even though results aren't in we know the Conservatives had a great day
http://twitter.com/schwarzenegger

On a side note, what about the hundreds of people who were not allowed to vote? I heard the issue is starting to grow. Any implications? Could there be a revote?

TheKiwi

05-07-2010, 05:33 PM

Expect lots of "tail wagging the dog" if Britain switches to a full PR system if NZ's experience over the past 5 elections is anything to go by. When you have to get a smaller party onboard to get a coalition government up and running, the small boys (obviously) know they're not going to get their entire platform as a part of the agreement. So they put the most extreme/visible part of it to make sure they're remembered by their supporters. Remember they only have to keep their 5% core of voters happy to come back the next election. So for example if the Greens teamed up with Labour next time round, take a look at their manifesto. The most wacko part of it is likely to be their minimum demand for support.

Having said that, and commenting on the current mess, you may not get the government you want, but you always get the government you deserve. :-)

Mr Gently Benevolent

05-07-2010, 07:55 PM

I wonder what the average Libdem voter thinks of Clegg getting in bed with the Cons, I'd be really pissed off!I have been winding up a few of them and there not taking it well:) I have yet to be convinced that the Libdem's are natural partners of the Tories and gonna be a rocky and eventually acrimonious marriage.

Niall

05-08-2010, 07:15 AM

Having said that, and commenting on the current mess, you may not get the government you want, but you always get the government you deserve. :-)

I don't understand are you saying we deserve a sh1t government or the other way around? :/

Britishhawk

05-08-2010, 07:29 AM

Just watched all three party leaders at the VE day memorial. Gordon Brown was the only one not singing the National Anthem, I have now lost the smallest thread of respect I had left for him.

wotsnext

05-08-2010, 07:41 AM

1229: Liberal Democrat Evan Harris, who lost his seat, says Nick Clegg is under huge pressure from the party membership not to go anywhere near the Conservatives.
Interesting times :)

SDL

05-08-2010, 07:56 AM

Clegg is in a VERY tricky position.... he either helps Cameron cement power.... or helps keep the man who's f**ked up this country in power....

Which one would you choose?

wotsnext

05-08-2010, 07:59 AM

Clegg is in a VERY tricky position.... he either helps Cameron cement power.... or helps keep the man who's f**ked up this country in power....

Which one would you choose?
Strictly speaking, he does not have to do either.

Proudgrandson

05-08-2010, 08:10 AM

Reports coming in that Gordon has been Gordon and has pushed Nick Clegg towards coalition with the Torys by shouting at him.:cantbeli:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8669816.stm

Would the Labour party think much of being told if we enter into a coalition with you you must change your leader?