South Africa's white supremacist leader killed.

[SiEMpre_Leal]

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa – South Africa's white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche was bludgeoned to death by two farm workers Tuesday evening in an apparent dispute over wages, police said.
Terreblanche, 69, was leader of the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging movement, better known as the AWB, that wanted to create three all-white republics within South Africa in which blacks would be allowed only as guest workers.
The South African Press Association quoted police spokeswoman Adele Myburgh as saying that Terreblanche was attacked by a 21-year-old man and a 15-year-old boy who worked for him.
Myburgh said the alleged attackers have been arrested and charged with murder. She did not further identify the two, who she said have told the police that there had been a dispute because they were not paid for work they did on the farm.
"Mr. Terreblanche's body was found on the bed with facial and head injuries." She said a machete was found on his body and a knobkerrie — a wooden staff with a rounded head — next to his bed.
Terreblanche launched his political career in 1973, amid growing opposition to South Africa's white minority government and its racist apartheid policies, forming the AWB with six other "patriots" of the Afrikaans-speaking whites descended from Dutch immigrants.
Terreblanche reportedly believed the government was making dangerous concessions to blacks and endangering the survival of South Africa's white race.
The AWB was a semisecret organization for years. When it "came out" in 1979, the movement displayed its Nazi-like insignia and declared opposition to any parliamentary democracy.
Terreblanche would arrive at meetings on horseback flanked by masked bodyguards dressed in khaki or black and became a charismatic leader for a small minority that could not envision a South Africa under the democratic rule of a black majority.
At one rally his guards, dubbed "storm troopers" after the Nazis, brandished guns, police batons and knives, prompting the government to announce it was "looking into" the actions and attitudes of the movement.
Terreblanche threatened to take the country by force if the white government capitulated to the African National Council.
After the white government conceded, the ANC overwhelmingly won 1994 elections and has won every election since with more than 60 percent of votes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100403/ap_on_re_af/af_south_africa_white_supremacist

[Atlantic Friend]

Nasty way of dying.

[nemowork]

Did Terrblanche still have any influence, i havent really heard anything about him since the mid 90's?

How is the Malema 'kill the Boer' incident playing into all this or is it unconnected?

[Breerman]

Just one of several thousand farm murders every year as I understand it. How many whites are left in SA?

[Gunbird]

I won't be losing any sleep tonight.

[Deminer from Sarajevo]

South African white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche has been killed on his farm in the country's north-west.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8602347.stm

RIP

[Chulo]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177076-South-Africa-s-white-supremacist-leader-killed

repost

[Chimera]

Some people will be remembered in SA Great History. Some won't.

[Synthe]

RIP


Hemm, did i hear you right there??

[Zombiefruit]

South African white supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche has been killed on his farm in the country's north-west.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8602347.stm

RIP

Yeah, wtf. RIP? I hope that asshole was in a lot of pain when he died.

[Chulo]

Hemm, did i hear you right there??


Yeah, wtf. RIP? I hope that asshole was in a lot of pain when he died.
Maybe he meant, Rest in Pieces

[SoSo]

I'm no fan of racism or its proponents, nor of any fascist ideology. But this man's deeds were no crueler than those of the ANC goons who murdered political opponets by "necklacing" or hacking them to death with pangas. And while the idea of recreating apartheid in South Africa, even in small enclaves, is distasteful, I can empathize with Terreblanche's desire to create some sort of homeland for the Afrikaner people, where they would be safe from reprisal attacks. The many farm murders in South Africa show the need for such a sanctuary.
Although the end of apartheid gave democracy a chance to flourish in South Africa, it also gave rise to a one-party state, and an enormous wave of violent crime, and so can be considered a mixed blessing. It should also be pointed out that had the white minority regime endured, it would probably have been a reliable ally of the West in today's Global War On Terror.
I guess South Africa's Afrikaners threw away their last chance to preserve their regime and way of life after World War II, when the white minority could have been strengthened by a new wave of immigrants from war-ravaged Europe. But because many of the potential immigrants were Catholics from southern Europe, the Afrikaners didn't want them.

[Deminer from Sarajevo]

Hemm, did i hear you right there??
Where is "there"?

[Deminer from Sarajevo]

Did mr Terreblance to do something like mr Mugabe who issued order his army in middle of 80th to destroy forces of his competitor mr N'Komo leader of Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army supported by tribe mutabele?At this time a few tenth thousands people were killed and abused.Nothing happened after
What is guilty of mr Terreblance?He did not say that zulu would to be slaves of white people in South Afrika.He only speak about right of afrikaaners to have own country.Tribe of zulu came to South Afrika in 18th centuries and before them there lives tribes of bushmen and gottengotes
Mr Terreblance was not terrorist or gungster and had right for life

[heli-cal]

A fitting end to a vile life.

[socom6]

Must have treated those "bleck kaffirs" like shyt all the time, then had the gall to hold back on their pay. He surely wont be missed.

[rhino]

it will be certainly a very intersting World Cup to watch, not just the games but the reaction of the whole country.

wonder if the land is fertile for civil war :/

[AmandlaEwetu]

When I lived in RSA he was viewed rightly as a clown even by most whites I knew-just google the AWB insignia 3 x7's like a swatstika with 1 arm missiing-

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Must have treated those "bleck kaffirs" like shyt all the time, then had the gall to hold back on their pay. He surely wont be missed.He did a bit of time in the past for violence against his staff and he was no stranger to violence but still its a crime and you can't beat someone to death for not paying you. This incident can in no way be compared to the attacks on other white SA farmers.

[Rudolph]

Must have treated those "bleck kaffirs" like shyt all the time, then had the gall to hold back on their pay. He surely wont be missed.

Well, firstly you're an idiot. You know nothing about what happened.... Beaiting a man to death like an animal while he's sleeping shows who the real animals are. What, you think there aren't wage disputes on farms in France, USA, etc? Is this the solution?

As for the man himself, he won't be missed by most of us whites...

Other than that, do not let the left-wingers use this opportunity to vilify him ever more after his death to shift focus away from the murderous act, as the fact of the matter is that another white farmer has been killed by blacks and so far it seems nothing was stolen from the farm. What would the approriate response now be by the right-wing element in the country? Will you then justify them killing innocent blacks in retribution? This incident has the potential to escelate badly...

Just to clarify... What has happened is that his death can be viewed symbolically as the conclusion of his life's beliefs. He, a white man, died, defenceless in his bed, killed by two Africans, using a machete and a traditional African cane.... that is the death he envisioned for the Afrikaner after apartheid, and now he has died in this manner. We have no idea what's gonna happen now.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Just to clarify... What has happened is that his death can be viewed symbolically as the conclusion of his life's beliefs. He, a white man, died, defenceless in his bed, killed by two Africans, using a machete and a traditional African cane.... that is the death he envisioned for the Afrikaner after apartheid, and now he has died in this manner. We have no idea what's gonna happen now.Calm down Nostradamus.

[Rudolph]

Calm down Nostradamus.

It's not me you have to worry about. Luckily, most right-wing groups are issuing public statements for people to remain calm and not take any illegal action. The comments at Yahoo News about his death are pretty disgusting, basically on the level of YouTube racism. I'd like to see one of them come live here...

[Connaught Ranger]

What goes around comes around, no loss to S.A.

[Rudolph]

What goes around comes around, no loss to S.A.

Comments like those do not make the world a safer place. The blatant disregard the liberal press suddenly has for human life, is just giving right-wingers the assurance that they're "right." No one, black or white deserves this...

[Lemonz]

R.I.P



SA is way beyond saving anyway.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Comments like those do not make the world a safer place. The blatant disregard the liberal press suddenly has for human life, is just giving right-wingers the assurance that they're "right." No one, black or white deserves this...The press in general rather than exclusivley "the Liberal press" likes to vilefy individuals. Its a press thing.

[Rudolph]

The press in general rather than exclusivley "the Liberal press" likes to vilefy individuals. Its a press thing.

Yet, when Mugabe dies I'm sure some will still call him a visionary leader who liberated his country!!

[Rudolph]

Terre'Blanche death will 'polarise'

2010-04-04 09:30

Johannesburg - The murder of Eugene Terre'Blanche will "inflame tensions" in South Africa, Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille said in a statement.

The 69-year-old AWB leader was beaten and hacked to death on his farm at Ventersdorp on Saturday evening - allegedly by two workers. Both have been arrested and charged with murder.

"The murder of Terre'Blanche will inevitably polarise and inflame passions in South Africa at a time when tensions are already running high," said Zille in a statement.

"Now, more than ever, we must resist racial polarisation, and continue to build the non-racial middle ground of people who want a peaceful and prosperous future for all."

Zille called on leaders to band together, call for calm and reject "hate speech" such as songs that include the lyrics, "kill the boer".

"The singing of songs such as 'kill the boer' creates a climate in which violence is seen as an appropriate response to problems, whether personal or collective," said Zille.

She also asked South Africans at large to reject incitements and threats of violence.

- SAPA

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/835f16989b8a48b38a25237b39d7a37a/04-04-2010-09-30/TerreBlanche_death_will_polarise

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Yet, when Mugabe dies I'm sure some will still call him a visionary leader who liberated his country!!I doubt it even the Socialist Workers Party hates Mugabe and all the liberal types have lost the white guilt when you mention the mans name.

[Rudolph]

Well, the ANC Youth League delegation just finished their tour of Zimbabwe and they said they are very impressed with the way the government nationalised the country. And articles on Zimbabwe rarely, if ever, mentions the genocide he commited. Hell, they didn't stop him from being Knigthed by one of the most powerful countries in the Western world. Yet, the crimes of the former white government are always mentioned. Everyone has an agenda, and they will follow them at any and all cost.

[OrangeWolf]

This is what you get if the youth leader of the former terrorist organization ANC calls for death to the farmer. Killing a man because you don't get paid? What a bunch of scum.

[drevil5000]

The timing of terre'blanche's murder is just too convenient. Malema has been calling for the boer's to be killed and the ANC has gone to the high court to defend their right to call for genocide.

Terre'blanche is seen by blacks as the leader of the afrikaners so killing him is a symbolic strike against whites. Although most whites have regarded him as a clown for years.

[Wimbly]

So, even when whites are the minority, being a nationalist is bad? I'm just trying to get the PC rules straight.

[drevil5000]

So, even when whites are the minority, being a nationalist is bad? I'm just trying to get the PC rules straight.

The PC rules in SA are unique. For instance, if a white person complains about being discriminated against because of his race, he himself is branded a racist. The same goes for when whites complain about the ANC calling for genocide, whites are branded racists for not respecting the ANC's culture.

[Connaught Ranger]

Comments like those do not make the world a safer place. The blatant disregard the liberal press suddenly has for human life, is just giving right-wingers the assurance that they're "right." No one, black or white deserves this...

Oh dear, go cry me a river, so pay back is a bitch right?

This old f**k was still stiring the pot up until the day / night he died.

Connaught Ranger.

[Connaught Ranger]

The timing of terre'blanche's murder is just too convenient. Malema has been calling for the boer's to be killed and the ANC has gone to the high court to defend their right to call for genocide.

Terre'blanche is seen by blacks as the leader of the afrikaners so killing him is a symbolic strike against whites. Although most whites have regarded him as a clown for years.

May be it was simply a little love triangle that got out of hand!p-)

[Rudolph]

^
Show some respect, the man did leave behind a family, you know. That is against forum rules in case you forgot.

[Connaught Ranger]

^
Show some respect, the man did leave behind a family, you know. That is against forum rules in case you forgot.

So is support for a neo-fascist organisation.

[drevil5000]

May be it was simply a little love triangle that got out of hand!p-)

Go ahead, make jokes about murder.

[Rudolph]

^Then you're hopefully against a government that has its supporters sing "killer the boere (whites)" as well?

[Connaught Ranger]

This is what you get if the youth leader of the former terrorist organization ANC calls for death to the farmer. Killing a man because you don't get paid? What a bunch of scum.

Have you any actual proof that there is any actual connection between the former terrorist organistaion known as the A.N.C. and T-B's death?

[Rudolph]

Have you any actual proof that there is any actual connection between the former terrorist organistaion known as the A.N.C. and T-B's death?

We have reported on the increase in promoting the song which calls for the whites to be murdered these past few weeks, at official ANC events, therefore it's quite a logical conclusion to draw. Yet, no one believes the ANC planned or had a direct hand in this.

[Connaught Ranger]

^Then you're hopefully against a government that has its supporters sing "killer the boere (whites)" as well?

As a matter of fact I am, however its surprising the number of people posting on here who show obviouse sympathy for the man, no wait a moment looking at the location of some its not so surprising at all!.

[Connaught Ranger]

We have reported on the increase in promoting the song which calls for the whites to be murdered these past few weeks, at official ANC events, therefore it's quite a logical conclusion to draw. Yet, no one believes the ANC planned or had a direct hand in this.

Thats because until you convict somebody (usualy in a Court of Law) some actual, irrefutable proof / evidence is required and not assumptions or speculation.

Connaught Ranger.

[Rudolph]

Cele: Terre'Blanche case will be cracked

2010-04-04 14:20

Johannesburg - The Eugene Terre'Blanche murder case will be cracked, Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/user/8977) said in Ventersdorp on Sunday.

"The case will be cracked and somebody will have to be punished for what happened," Cele told a press briefing shortly after visiting the Terre'Blanche family with Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/user/8973).

"We will be giving feedback to the family...and we are following all aspects (of the crime) that we are supposed to follow."

Mthethwa said the orders that had been given to police were that this case must be cracked.

"We have had some interaction with senior members of the Terre'Blanche family...and a variety of issues have been raised," he said.

The issues would be discussed at meetings expected to place this week.

"Let us find ways as South Africans...let us find a solution. There is nothing we have not been able to deal with as South Africans," said Mthethwa.

He urged citizens to allow the police to continue with their investigations so that "we can get to the bottom of this".

Mthethwa refused to be drawn on questions relating to the "kill the boer" song or politics. "I am flatly refusing to be drawn on that," he said.

Mthethwa also refused to answer questions about reports that Terre'blanche was still alive when police arrived at the crime scene on Saturday night.

North West spokesperson for Public Safety, Lesiba Kgwele said Cele and Mthethwa were warmly received by the Terre'blanche family on Sunday morning.

"They were well received by the family and Terre'Blanche's daughter, Beya even expressed appreciation and said she had confidence in the police that this matter would be concluded soon," he said.

Terre'Blanche, 69, was attacked by a man and minor who worked for him after they allegedly had an argument over unpaid wages around 18:00 on Saturday.

He was attacked with a panga and pipe at his North West farm.

A 21-year-old man and 15-year-old boy were arrested for the crime.

- SAPA

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/4d3c01e0c8e44fc98e71acfbb2fa2bef/04-04-2010-02-20/Cele_TerreBlanche_case_will_be_cracked


Where, in any civil country in the world will a politician stay neutral on a song about killing a specific race of people in the country? Other than that, I'm sure the judiciary will punish those responsible severely.

[Rudolph]

Thats because until you convict somebody (usualy in a Court of Law) some actual, irrefutable proof / evidence is required and not assumptions or speculation.

Connaught Ranger.

But who said it was the ANC? That is not the problem here, the problem is that over 3000 elderly white farmers have been killed since '94, and having the government promote "killer boere" in the minds of those who are most destitute is a most dispicable act - no matter where your political allegiance lie.

Just like the left will now try and shift everything on the fact that Eugene was a racist, thus making his life worth less than those of the murderers, right?, the right will use the ANC song make them indirectly responsible for what has hapenned.

[drevil5000]

Thats because until you convict somebody (usualy in a Court of Law) some actual, irrefutable proof / evidence is required and not assumptions or speculation.

Connaught Ranger.

Well a court of law has said the "kill the whites" song is hate speech and has banned it. The ANCYL has refused to comply with this and the ANC is appealing the court ruling.

And besides, any moron can see the connection between the government calling for whites to be killed and whites being killed.

[Connaught Ranger]

Well a court of law has said the "kill the whites" song is hate speech and has banned it. The ANCYL has refused to comply with this and the ANC is appealing the court ruling.

And besides, any moron can see the connection between the government calling for whites to be killed and whites being killed.Are you calling yourself a moron?p-)

[Connaught Ranger]

But who said it was the ANC? That is not the problem here, the problem is that over 3000 elderly white farmers have been killed since '94, and having the government promote "killer boere" in the minds of those who are most destitute is a most dispicable act - no matter where your political allegiance lie.

Just like the left will now try and shift everything on the fact that Eugene was a racist, thus making his life worth less than those of the murderers, right?, the right will use the ANC song make them indirectly responsible for what has hapenned.

See this post:-
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177076-South-Africa-s-white-supremacist-leader-killed&p=4863200&viewfull=1#post4863200


This is what you get if the youth leader of the former terrorist organization ANC calls for death to the farmer. Killing a man because you don't get paid? What a bunch of scum.

Already it has been reported on the Irish news (Today FM Radio News) that T-B's comrades have "vowed vengence for this act" despite the perpertrators of the crime being in custody.

Connaught Ranger.

[Rudolph]

See this post:-
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177076-South-Africa-s-white-supremacist-leader-killed&p=4863200&viewfull=1#post4863200

Already it has been reported on the Irish news (Today FM Radio News) that T-B's comrades have "vowed vengence for this act" despite the perpertrators of the crime being in custody.

Connaught Ranger.

Obviously many people are very emotional about the events, as is normal. But the party officialy asked people to remain calm, and that they will take revenge at a later date. But, seeing as there has been no significant right-wing movement in SA since '94, I'm guessing "revenge" will involve more legal battles with the ANC, etc.

And the courts did find the song illegal, because it promotes hate speech, and the ANC has sung it since that judgment, therefore they are guilty of singing a song which was delcared illegal, because it encourages ANC supporters to kill whites. What about that statement is not clear to you?

Oh, and BTW, does the possible retaliation by the AWB offend you more than the murder of the whites??

[drevil5000]

Are you calling yourself a moron?p-)

nope, but with comments like yours you pretty much fit the bill.

[Rudolph]

nope, but with comments like yours you pretty much fit the bill.

Nevermind...

[Boxed_Wine]

This is for those of you who want us to show some respect and for those people who are saying RIP, this is the POS organisation that he was leading:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/270051369_61a04c9bae.jpg

[Rudolph]

They were right-wing extremists, but not Nazis. They say the 7s are the numbers of God. Whatever. They did little, but talk bull**** all these years...

Either way, we aren't here to defend him or the AWB. But the timing and manner of his death is what is really unsettling us.

[Connaught Ranger]

nope, but with comments like yours you pretty much fit the bill.

Another "expert" opinion of yours.:roll:

[Connaught Ranger]

Obviously many people are very emotional about the events, as is normal. But the party officialy asked people to remain calm, and that they will take revenge at a later date. But, seeing as there has been no significant right-wing movement in SA since '94, I'm guessing "revenge" will involve more legal battles with the ANC, etc.

And the courts did find the song illegal, because it promotes hate speech, and the ANC has sung it since that judgment, therefore they are guilty of singing a song which was delcared illegal, because it encourages ANC supporters to kill whites. What about that statement is not clear to you?

Oh, and BTW, does the possible retaliation by the AWB offend you more than the murder of the whites??

I wont say I am offended by any of the events, saddened to see and hear that despite all the tradgedy that has happened in South Africa,

the lessons of the past have NOT been learned by many on both sides of the divide.

What I find strange is that people are using the "Song Singing" as an excuse for this particular "high profile" murder,

when in all probability it could well have been because of non-payment of wages as originaly reported,

however T-B's comrades will make of it what they will for their own ends.

Connaught Ranger.

[drevil5000]

Another "expert" opinion of yours.:roll:

funny, coming from someone with no understanding of the situation.

[Rudolph]

^Well, stupid people will always draw simple conclusions (AWB). But it is not without any merit. So, hopefully this "high-profile" murder can be used as a launching pad by the rest of the opposition to force the ANC to help stem the ever-present farm murders. If his death could have some positive effect on the country, that's the very least he could do considering all the rubbish he's made us sit through throughout the years... Anyway, that's pretty much all from me. Gonna go to a braai now, and guess what the topics of dicussion will be: "OMG! The white racists are gonna attack the townships tomorrow," "Mandela is a terrorist," "Julius Malema should've been killed," "The ANC Youth League will bring a civil war onto this country," etc...

[Connaught Ranger]

funny, coming from someone with no understanding of the situation.
You are entitled to your opinion in this free democratic world kid.

[LineDoggie]

If it were Winnie Mandela there would be tears and rage, this Schmuck people are dancing.

Which is braver to do?

Panga and beaten to death while victim asleep

Or Petrol soaked tire burning around the victims neck

[socom6]

Ya know seriously Rudolph, when I typed that post your name and avatar came up in my mind. I KNEW you would have something to say and I KNEW you would come out against my post. The only thing I would agree with you however is that murder is murder and the law must take its course against his murderers, I neglected to write in my post that those "bleck kaffirs" should have left his farm never to return in the first place.

Other from that Terreblanche was a flipping flaming racist bastard who was not "just another white farmer" as you put it Rudolph. He gets NO RIP from me whatsoever.

[BLUE THOR]

TIA... Time to leave the buggers to destroy themselves.

[Wimbly]

Oh dear, go cry me a river, so pay back is a bitch right?



So there are white people who beleive in racial payback? Just dont complain when it swing backs in the other direction.

[Connaught Ranger]

So there are white people who beleive in racial payback? Just dont complain when it swing backs in the other direction.

My point which seems to have escaped your attention is payback swings both ways! this guy was calling for the eradication of the coloureds in S.A. actively involved in a bombing campaign served a very short time in prison, and people are expecting us to be sympathetic because he got killed.:roll:

[socom6]

My point which seems to have escaped your attention is payback swings both ways! this guy was calling for the eradication of the coloureds in S.A. actively involved in a bombing campaign served a very short time in prison, and people are expecting us to be sympathetic because he got killed.:roll:

Exactly what im saying Connaught Ranger. Look at that other stinking bastard Mugabe. If it were up to me that piece of elephant dung would get a .338 Lapua exploding round into the face. Oh and another thing Winnie Mandela is not someone I have much sympathy for either... **** she too!

[SoSo]

The AWB claims Terreblanche's murder wasn't really a dispute over wages, but politically motivated, and promises retaliation. And now we hear of possible ANC plans to seize white-owned lands in South Africa, Zimbabwe-style, with the advice and assistance of ZANU-PF cadres. I wonder if the ANC's ideological zeal could really trump pragmatism in this way, since anyone with half a brain can see what a catastrophic failure the land seizures have been in Zimbabwe?
It's really too bad, because the Zimbabwe land reform, before it degenerated into outright theft, actually seemed to be off to a good start. Zimbabwe already had a class of capable black farmers who contributed to the economy successfully, despite being restricted to small communal holdings by the Rhodesians, and having inadequete seeds, fertilizer, pesticides, etc. But instead of turning the formerly white-owned lands over to these experienced farmers, the Mugabe regime distributed most of it to ZANU-PF party leaders, and to impoverished city dwellers who had supported the party. None of these people knew anything about farming, and consequently food production plummeted, plunging Zimbabwe into economic freefall and near-famine. I hope South Africa avoids this fate, although of course I understand that the two societies are different in many ways.
However, if things deteriorate, could civil war engulf South Africa? Or do the whites and other opponents of the ANC lack the numbers and arms to even make a stand? Would they simply be slaughtered? Maybe Terreblance's supporters in the defense forces and police hid caches of arms years ago, in the event they would someday be needed by a resistance movement.
What does everyone think about this?

[drevil5000]

My point which seems to have escaped your attention is payback swings both ways! this guy was calling for the eradication of the coloureds in S.A. actively involved in a bombing campaign served a very short time in prison, and people are expecting us to be sympathetic because he got killed.:roll:

He was not for their eradication, he wanted an independent homeland for afrikaners. And his racism was more focused on the blacks, not really the coloureds.

You also seem to have missed the point of all the hype. He was seen an the icon of what a boer is by the black population and an attack on him is a symbolic attack on all whites. Perhaps the start of nationwide campaign against whites. Go to any forum that is discussing this and you will see that people are not defending him but are more worried about what his murder signifies.

[Serbelius]

Rudolph does not help to reply back to people like Connaught Ranger and the like's of him as i would say they do not live firstly in SA and secondly coming from a Europe or the US country they do not have any understanding of being a SOUTH AFRICAN in africa. Easy to spew there dribbel when in the safety of there home were they will never almost expierence the terror of being robbed mug or hijacked, and living in a full democracy.

So Rudolph tussen ons hy is en sal maar n mampara bly en nie jou tyd of geduld mors om hom te antwoord nie want hy definitief nie die moeite werd nie.

[Richie B]

Rudolph does not help to reply back to people like Connaught Ranger and the like's of him as i would say they do not live firstly in SA and secondly coming from a Europe or the US country they do not have any understanding of being a SOUTH AFRICAN in africa. Easy to spew there dribbel when in the safety of there home were they will never almost expierence the terror of being robbed mug or hijacked, and living in a full democracy.

So Rudolph tussen ons hy is en sal maar n mampara bly en nie jou tyd of geduld mors om hom te antwoord nie want hy definitief nie die moeite werd nie.

What does that last bit mean ?

Something about don't waste your time ?

[Connaught Ranger]

Rudolph does not help to reply back to people like Connaught Ranger and the like's of him as i would say they do not live firstly in SA and secondly coming from a Europe or the US country they do not have any understanding of being a SOUTH AFRICAN in africa. Easy to spew there dribbel when in the safety of there home were they will never almost expierence the terror of being robbed mug or hijacked, and living in a full democracy.

So Rudolph tussen ons hy is en sal maar n mampara bly en nie jou tyd of geduld mors om hom te antwoord nie want hy definitief nie die moeite werd nie.

First off, please point me to where in the Forum Rules it say that only people living in specific countrys mentioned in thread topic on a Public Forum may post an answer.

Secondly, there is a big world outside of South Africa which has a multitude of problems, some of which go back further than before the Europeans set foot in the continent of Africa.

Thirdly, if you were to read a bit more you would have no trouble in knowing exactly where I am from, however as I am a nice guy I will put it here to save you taxing your small brain looking:-

I am Anglo-Irish, born in the U.K. of an English Mother and Irish Father, but from the age of 10 raised in the Irish Republic, surely, even you in your secluded part of the African continent must surely have heard of the trouble between the Irish & English over the centuries? Or did your education fail to focus on events outside of S.A.?

I also had the pleasure to serve over 21 years in the Irish army including time as a member of the United Nations peace-keeping Force in South Lebanon (UNIFIL.1) To further help you put I will point out that Lebanon is located to the North of Israel on the world Map.

I have lived in Germany after my retirement from the Military for over 5 years and now reside full-time in Transylvania, Romania.

And no I do not have any sympathy what so ever for the likes of T-B and his ilk, they were / are TERRORISTS full stop.

T-B was convicted and spent time in prison for his activities, so I will shed no tears at his passing, or accept the bullsh*t that the poor old duffer, was purposely targeted by former A.N.C. terrorists or their supporters, until some type of proof is offered other than that by a bunch of bigoted
supporters of the A.W.B. and if that gets up the nose of any of their fans who are MP.net members then toughski ****ski.

I have no sympathy either for the likes of Adolf Hitler, Benitto Mussolini, General Franco, Augustus Pinnochet, or any other of that type.

In my honest (but no doubt judged by some here as ignorant) opinion much of S.A. current problems stem from the treatment of the native African population in S.A. by the colonial decendents of the Europeans who settled there, some of the Natives of the continent it seems are quite well adapted to copying the treatment metered out by their former white . . . (cough) "masters".

Connaught Ranger.

[drevil5000]

^^ South Africa's problems are unique and I highly doubt an outsider will understand.

The ANC has been publicly calling for whites to be killed, how is that not proof of a motive?

[heli-cal]

Just another brutal killing.

But for the 'Nazi's', a worldwide platform, right there in the run up to the world football competition!

Never, and I do mean never, were they ever going to have the opportunity to have the worlds media paying them such attention, and with that attention comes potential...

All of a sudden the government and police want to take a hard look at crime, but only this crime.

The 'Nazi's' reckon it was because of a song, wonder if they've ever heard of Pink Floyd!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpGdG27K9o

http://lostinfloyd.tripod.com/PinkFloyd-MusicVideos.html

[Dean1962]

^^ South Africa's problems are unique and I highly doubt an outsider will understand.

Wrong. Any problem that exists can be understood by someone else. SA does not have the world monopoly on complex problems. Any unique problem has usually been suffered through somewhere else, although in all fairness there usually are some differences. But if you really think that anyone from somewhere else in the world will be automatically unable to understand what is going on, you really have to get out more.



The ANC has been publicly calling for whites to be killed, how is that not proof of a motive?

True. This is one of those rare events where I have a bit of sympathy for both sides of the argument. TerreBlanche was a jerk of cosmic proportions, I am yet another who is not at all saddened by his passing. Nonetheless, I do understand that the way in which he was killed is highly emotionally charged, and could lead to a great deal of violence and bloodshed. There is no right or wrong in this case except for any innocent black or white victims who may end up dead for no good reason whatsoever.

[Rudolph]

Wrong. Any problem that exists can be understood by someone else. SA does not have the world monopoly on complex problems. Any unique problem has usually been suffered through somewhere else, although in all fairness there usually are some differences. But if you really think that anyone from somewhere else in the world will be automatically unable to understand what is going on, you really have to get out more.

What we usually mean when we say our situation is unique, is because we don't believe a parallel exists anywhere else today, and if so, we'd be glad to learn from it. The only countries we can compare ourselves with are the former Portuguese colonies, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, French North-Africa: Algeria, Tunisia... if you look at those countries they all did pretty much the same thing as the apartheid government, and had long, brutal wars of freedom, which led to enormous human rights violations on both sides. We avoided any kind of large scale war with the natives for 350 years now... And the former European minorities in those countries were either killed in genocides or quite literally chased off the continent.

Technologically and culturally, white SAfricans are as far removed from the native black Africans as American settlers were from the native Americans. Not in the USA, New Zealand, Canada, etc. did the settlers adopt the native culture, language, etc. That is a ridiculous statement?! Yet, some blame us because we didn't do that! Right now we are in the reverse situation of all those countries settled by the Europeans, before and after us, because we are the Europeans with the 21st century technology and culture, yet we are a minority in a country where education is a luxury, because, firstly the original tribes did not have a written language, neither could the minority educate such a vast majority in a hundred years (the natives in other countries aren't nearly on par with the former European settlers, so I don't see why apartheid is always singled out for education?) So, democracy automatically means that, we with our universities, nuclear weapons, had to accept rule by a people who by and large hadn't seen the telephone yet. How could that ever work?

So all these self-rigtheous non-SAfricans can better spend their time thanking the lord they weren't born in one of the African countries they gladly stole from for so long, and waged wars in, only to go back home as if nothing had happened, then point fingers at others who did much less, but chose to stay because they love the continent.

[Uten]

His tribe will most likely follow suite. He had his chance and failed.
Se la vi.

[Rudolph]

^I've got one question for people who say things like that, if I misunderstood your comment, then take is as another line of thought. Why are white SAfricans demonized 16 years after apartheid, but other nations who have done much worse, on bigger scales allowed to live peacefully?

I'm referring to post-WW2 Germans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese.... collectively these nations killed more than a 100 million people in the 20th century, yet I don't see anyone telling them they need to be lucky to be alive? Please explain this exception to the rule, we've been looking for that answer for 50 years.

[Rudolph]

Must be all the exposure to South Africans over there, but this BBC comment section is very "positive":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/will_terreblanche_death_lead_t.html

[baboon6]

Just one of several thousand farm murders every year as I understand it. How many whites are left in SA?

http://www.southafrica.info/about/people/population.htm

About 4.3 million

[BLUE THOR]

perhaps White South Africans are demonised by the international media as they are the only former colonial masters left on the African continent?
I dunno any other place where the colonial rulers are still allowed to exist in large numbers - most have been chased out by the black population.
(former Portugese, English, Belgian Colonies, etc)
And certainly these countries do not have a large portion of their wealth, businesses, farms and other resources owned by white residents.
I believe the international media likes to play on the old aparthied stigma and propogate that sentiment as the blacks are still poor and the white are "rich" .

[Stormy]

WORLD CUP: FANS WARNED AS TERREBLANCHE MURDER ‘IS A DECLARATION OF WAR’

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FOOTBALL fans were warned last night they will be travelling to “a land of murder” if they go to the World Cup in South Africa.

Right-wing fanatics issued the threat after their leader Eugene Terreblanche (http://www.express.co.uk/search/terreblanche/) was hacked to death by two of his farm workers.

Terreblanche, 69, the notorious head of the white supremacist Afrikaner Resistance Movement, was killed in an apparent dispute over wages.

He was found with head injuries after being attacked with a machete and a wooden club.

Last night Andre Visagie, a colleague of Terreblanche, said the killing was a “declaration of war” by the black majority in South Africa, where tens of *thousands of England fans will arrive in June for the World Cup. (http://www.express.co.uk/search/world%20cup/)

Mr Visagie warned that South Africa would not be safe and urged World Cup countries to withdraw.

He added: “The death of Mr Terreblanche is a declaration of war by the black community of South Africa to the white community, that has been killed for 10 years on end.”

He added: “We are calling on the supporters of the AWB to stay calm for the moment so that we can finalise the funeral. We will decide upon the action we are going to take to avenge Mr Terreblanche’s death.”

The veteran right-winger, whose party campaigned under an emblem which resembles the Nazi swastika, was killed on Saturday at his farm in Venderstorp.

He had led the AWB’s campaign for all-white states within South Africa, where blacks would have been allowed as guest workers.

Police said two black workers were in custody in connection with the killing.
South African President Jacob Zuma last night called for calm following “this terrible deed”.

He begged South Africans “not to allow agent provocateurs to take advantage of this situation by inciting or fuelling racial hatred”. Jackson Mthembu, spokesman for the ruling ANC party, disputed the AWB claim that the murder was part of a political offensive against whites.

“The black community has never declared war on any other nationality in South Africa,” he said.
“These are sentiments that fuel polarisation of the South *African populace.”

The World Cup has been *overshadowed by fears over crime and security. Despite reassurances from the organisers, hundreds of *thousands of tickets and hotel rooms remain unsold.

@ http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/167235/World-Cup-Fans-warned-as-Terreblanche-murder-is-a-declaration-of-war-

[Dinges]

AWB retracts revenge statement



Apr 5, 2010 2:49 PM | By SIPHO MASONDO and CHARL DU PLESSIS
THE AWB has retracted statements that it would avenge the death of its leader Eugene "ET" Terre Blanche.




Pieter Steyn a Kommandant in the AWB addresses the media outside Terre Blanche's farm
Photograph by: THYS DULLAART

The right-wing Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging held a press briefing outside Terre Blanche’s farm near Ventersdorp, in the North West province, where he was hacked and bludgeoned to death on Saturday.
Spokesman Pieter Steyn said “Our membership is very very shocked, angry and horrified. In the heat of the moment certain statements were made and I would like to retract those statements. It is the philosophy of the AWB that no member will engage in any form of violence, intimidation, racial slandering or anything of that matter (sic). It will not be tolerated. It is however, every difficult to contain our members and keep them calm.”
The retraction comes after, AWB secretary general, Andre Visagie said yesterday: “We will decide upon our actions to avenge Mr Terre Blanche's death. We will take action and the specific action ... will be decided upon at our conference on the first of May.”
A representative of the movement said they would approach the United Nations “to provide a piece of land” to Afrikaners where they could live independently.
Terre Blanche’s killing brings to 3100 the number of farmers killed in South Africa, Steyn said.
Steyn said the organisation had a positive meeting with the minster of police, Nathi Mthethwa and would allow the investigation to continue.
He did however issue a stern warning to president Jacob Zama, saying: "It is time you got off your little train and started governing the country."Responding to Zuma's call for calm, Steyn said the AWB would remain calm until "the next famer is murdered."
He said that Zuma should start by "closing Julius Malema's mouth.”
“ Maybe you [Zuma] should send Julius Malema back to finish matric and then couple of years in the boys scouts so that he can learn humility."
Steyn added: "It is not the AWB that is starting a revolution. It is Julius Malema."
A representative of the movement said they would approach the United Nations “to provide a piece of land” to Afrikaners where they could live independently.


http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article386984.ece/AWB-retracts-revenge-statement

[Serbelius]

CR
1. Never said you are not allowed to give an answer to a topic, BUT give a sensible one no problem. So please feel free to answer but then do not complain if someone else answers on your retarded remarks then.
2. Never said South Africa is the only country in the world that has problems BUT again ours problems are unique to our beloved country and not being sarcastic it is such a wonderful country with so much potential.
3. As for your heritage and current residence it does say it all as I did mentioned in a civilized country. As for the “troubles” do you mean the one England won 2-1. While working for the UN is and are a noble thing it does not make you a world expert and on world matters when last were you in South Africa.
4. As for T.B being a terrorist ja right he was a bit of an idiot but that’s not the point as I can remember he never went into someone’s at night and bludgeoned them to death. You say he went to prison for “activities” now what would you call activities as he went to prison for ASSUALTING a man not for what he did in his political career. Now I do not say you have to feel sorry for him but the manner in which he was done it is I suppose it is all normal for you living in Transylvanian it is a normal occurrence there I take, which is sadly to say in SA a growing trend.
5. As for his death he was killed in a time in South Africa were it is all good and no problem to sing “KILL A BOER” (KILL A FARMER, which he was as well) and it is considered by the ruling party as ok to do so and not expect people to react on it on both side of the racial divides. What would you think happen if some Transylvanian dude started singing in Transylvanian “KILL THE BRITS”?
6. The only sensible remark you might have made thus far were on your last paragraph as again when was it the norm for white people to bludgeon people to death as was that the standard M.O for the colonials in the day then.

[IconOfEvi]

Well understanding is very key, as Rudolph pointed out.

While I have little sympathy to Mr Blanche, the fact remains that everything he ever said about the blacks has been validated by his murder, and the circumstances - he was helpless, and they were merciless. Essentially in death, he will be larger than he ever was in life, because now people can see. And the BBC or whoever can spin this, but the fact remains he was killed in a way he always said whites would be.

As for the ANC/Mr whatever who sang the song - the fact remains that no one in the population he was speaking to rejected that. For many blacks in SA, as well as across the continent, they still believe the struggle is going on, as they haven't received the land of milk and honey they were promised, if only the evil non-Africans were destroyed and their vast riches that were cruelly acquired were expropriated. This is the same ****e that drove the old nationalist waves from the 60s. Apparnetly for example, I have some relatives still in Kenya. However, being the few Indians left there, they have to live in gated communities, in fear everyday. In fact most of my dad's family is in the UK and Canada because they were among the people kicked out by Ugandan and Kenyan nationalist movements ("Africa for the Africans!").

[baboon6]

Good article on this sorry incident by a journalist from the Jerusalem Post who I know personally and who lived in South Africa for many years:

http://forecasthighs.com/2010/04/04/dark-times-for-white-supremacy-in-south-africa-as-terreblanche-dies/

[G-AWZT]

Interesting Terre Blanche was killed by his black murderers while he was taking a nap instead of confronting him face to face. I guess the butchers who did this are representative of a fairly large group of cowards.

[Bushranger]

Just a question for you guys in SA, what do you know about or think about the stories that when Mandela passes the blacks will go on a killing spree of whites??? Or is this just an urban myth??

[baboon6]

Just a question for you guys in SA, what do you know about or think about the stories that when Mandela passes the blacks will go on a killing spree of whites??? Or is this just an urban myth??

How is it possible to prove or disprove something like that? Of course it's an urban myth. Then again nothing would surprise me in this country. I must say though that writing about "the blacks" like they are one monolithic block of people is frankly insulting. The same as writing about "the Afrikaners" as if they all supported ET, or "the Aussies" in some other context.

[Connaught Ranger]

Interesting Terre Blanche was killed by his black murderers while he was taking a nap instead of confronting him face to face. I guess the butchers who did this are representative of a fairly large group of cowards.

Yeah they fall into the catagory and classification of the A.W.B. members who embarked on a bombing campaign of the voting booths.:roll:

Interesting that you are making a very basic generalisation with nothing to back it up.

[Bathinus]

"White supremacist dead". Always good news.

[Connaught Ranger]

CR
1. Never said you are not allowed to give an answer to a topic, BUT give a sensible one no problem. So please feel free to answer but then do not complain if someone else answers on your retarded remarks then.
2. Never said South Africa is the only country in the world that has problems BUT again ours problems are unique to our beloved country and not being sarcastic it is such a wonderful country with so much potential.
3. As for your heritage and current residence it does say it all as I did mentioned in a civilized country. As for the “troubles” do you mean the one England won 2-1. While working for the UN is and are a noble thing it does not make you a world expert and on world matters when last were you in South Africa.
4. As for T.B being a terrorist ja right he was a bit of an idiot but that’s not the point as I can remember he never went into someone’s at night and bludgeoned them to death. You say he went to prison for “activities” now what would you call activities as he went to prison for ASSUALTING a man not for what he did in his political career. Now I do not say you have to feel sorry for him but the manner in which he was done it is I suppose it is all normal for you living in Transylvanian it is a normal occurrence there I take, which is sadly to say in SA a growing trend.
5. As for his death he was killed in a time in South Africa were it is all good and no problem to sing “KILL A BOER” (KILL A FARMER, which he was as well) and it is considered by the ruling party as ok to do so and not expect people to react on it on both side of the racial divides. What would you think happen if some Transylvanian dude started singing in Transylvanian “KILL THE BRITS”?
6. The only sensible remark you might have made thus far were on your last paragraph as again when was it the norm for white people to bludgeon people to death as was that the standard M.O for the colonials in the day then.

As for "RETARDED REMARKS", please do attempt to follow your own guidelines for posting.

Your poor attempt to justify your earlier posts and comments is not working.

For years I heard many songs sung by terrorist Irish Republican sympathisers sung in Irish pubs,

funny not many, if any, of the drinking crowd were moved to rush up North and kill British Military personel.

There again, I was in a unique postion serving in the Irish Defence Forces but called a "Brit" to see what was going on from both sides of the divide, my Mother being off the English Anglican faith and my Father an Irish Catholic.

As for Transylvania, even 21 years after the massacre of innocent unarmed protestors in Timisoara, Bucharest, Cluj-Napoca, etc.. etc.. nobody of importance has faced trial for the hundreds of murders commited, or even acknowledged they gave the orders to fire.I think on point 6, you are mistaken as I can find no reference to any specific form of treatment (bludgeon) by European Colonials in my post,


In my honest (but no doubt judged by some here as ignorant) opinion much of S.A. current problems stem from the treatment of the native African population in S.A. by the colonial decendents of the Europeans who settled there, some of the Natives of the continent it seems are quite well adapted to copying the treatment metered out by their former white . . . (cough) "masters".

rewriting history to suit your own tastes, are we?

Connaught Ranger.

[wilhelm]

My point which seems to have escaped your attention is payback swings both ways! this guy was calling for the eradication of the coloureds in S.A. actively involved in a bombing campaign served a very short time in prison, and people are expecting us to be sympathetic because he got killed.:roll:

Quoted for the sheer stupidity of your post.

Is there no end to the inane rubbish you post?

Terreblanche has never called for the, as you say, " eradication of coloureds in SA." You even have the ethnic terminology, as used in SA, wrong. Making stuff up only makes you appear even more dull-witted than you have continually proven you are, over and over again. I do not agree with his political stance.

Also, I notice you seem to be condoning the racially based murder of farmers in South Africa, describing it as "payback" in your posts on this thread.

The singing of the song "Kill the Boer" has led to the white farmer (boer) having statistically one of the highest chances of being murdered in a country with probably the highest murder rate in the world. Only the terminally stupid cannot see the link.



Why are you allowed to gleefully condone murder in your posts? Mods?

[Connaught Ranger]

Quoted for the sheer stupidity of your post.

Is there no end to the inane rubbish you post?

Terreblanche has never called for the, as you say, " eradication of coloureds in SA." You even have the ethnic terminology, as used in SA, wrong. Making stuff up only makes you appear even more dull-witted than you have continually proven you are, over and over again. I do not agree with his political stance.

Also, I notice you seem to be condoning the racially based murder of farmers in South Africa, describing it as "payback" in your posts on this thread.

The singing of the song "Kill the Boer" has led to the white farmer (boer) having statistically one of the highest chances of being murdered in a country with probably the highest murder rate in the world. Only the terminally stupid cannot see the link.

Why are you allowed to gleefully condone murder in your posts? Mods?

Well it took you long enough to come out and post your usual comment with regards my posts,

because they dont follow your own way of thinking I supose dear wil helm?

And please point out in my comments where I am condoning murder

as oppossed to stating I have no particular sympathy for the demise of T-B.:roll:

With regards terminology the words "coloured" is a standard euphemism for people of native African decent as used here in Europe, people like you seem to get off on the actual colour distinction of these people as opposed to your own skin colour.

As for your claims about the song, do back up your rant with some statistics, from a credible source and not just your say-so.

Connaught Ranger.

[wilhelm]

[QUOTE=Connaught Ranger;4867275]

And please point out in my comments where I am condoning murder



Here you are.

..
much of S.A. current problems stem from the treatment of the native African population in S.A. by the colonial decendents of the Europeans who settled there, some of the Natives of the continent it seems are quite well adapted to copying the treatment metered out by their former white . . . (cough) "masters".

What goes around comes around
Oh dear, go cry me a river, so pay back is a bitch right? You are nauseating.


With regards terminology the words "coloured" is a standard euphemism for people of native African decent as used here in Europe,
This is happening in Africa. Different continent. Keep up. And so you don't refute the fact that your "eradication of the coloureds" was utter BS made up by you on the spot. As is usual.

[Atlantic Friend]

I must say I have zero sympathy for who or what Eugene Terreblanche was. Having a thing for brownshirts, marching behind Nazi-like flags, and setting up paramilitary organizations based on the idea of racial superiority in a post-WW2 world indicates IMHO a severe lack of common decency, not to mention of common sense.

So, no sympathy for what he ever represented in life, but even bastards have some basic rights in a Republic, including the right of not being murdered in their sleep. He has been the victim of a brutal and cowardly crime, and even if Justice was probably the last thing he ever had in mind when he was busy playing AWB Gruppenführer with the rest of his "troops", Justice is what he should get as a human being. I therefore hope the murderers will get what they deserve, along with the people who might have commanded/helped the murder if it happens there's more to it than the heinous act of two murderous thugs.

[baboon6]

I must say I have zero sympathy for who or what Eugene Terreblanche was. Having a thing for brownshirts, marching behind Nazi-like flags, and setting up paramilitary organizations based on the idea of racial superiority in a post-WW2 world indicates IMHO a severe lack of common decency, not to mention of common sense.

So, no sympathy for what he ever represented in life, but even bastards have some basic rights in a Republic, including the right of not being murdered in their sleep. He has been the victim of a brutal and cowardly crime, and even if Justice was probably the last thing he ever had in mind when he was busy playing AWB Gruppenführer with the rest of his "troops", Justice is what he should get as a human being. I therefore hope the murderers will get what they deserve, along with the people who might have commanded/helped the murder if it happens there's more to it than the heinous act of two murderous thugs.

Thank you AF this is one of the most thoughtful and sensible posts on this topic.

[Atlantic Friend]

Thank you AF this is one of the most thoughtful and sensible posts on this topic.

I wouldn't have shed a tear if he had been put on trial, found guilty by a jury of his peers and hanged in 1994 for what he and his band of brothers did in the bad old days, mind you, but this death robbed him of the basic dignity a man should have in his last moments. That Terreblanche himself worked to deny other men the same dignity shouldn't change how we look at this murder. I hope South African Justice will be swift, impartial and color-blind, although I do share the fears of many that for that last matter there are no guarantees.

[wilhelm]

I completely agree Atlantic Friend.

I do not support his politics, but murder is murder.

The singing of the song "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" has been condemned as hate speech by politicians accross the spectrum, including former ANC politician and struggle veteran Mosiuoa Patrick Lekota. Malema has been taken to the court due to this song being classified as hate speech and therefore very likely to incite violence and murder. The High Court of South Africa has banned Malema from singing this song, due to the fact that it is incitement to murder. The facts are that white farmers are being murdered at a rate faster than the rest of South Africa's murder rate, already one of the highest in the world. This song has been continually used by certain of the less reputable rabble rousers, and is now finally being directly linked to this appalling carnage of farmers by the courts. The link is fairly obvious to most intelligent people, although one intellectually dishonest/challenged poster above would try his best to differ, for whatever reasons.

[Rudolph]

Interesting Terre Blanche was killed by his black murderers while he was taking a nap instead of confronting him face to face. I guess the butchers who did this are representative of a fairly large group of cowards.

99% of the time they attack the farms late at night. Of course the whole bunch of them are cowards. Who would face up to a group of armed and ready Boers??

[Rudolph]

Yeah they fall into the catagory and classification of the A.W.B. members who embarked on a bombing campaign of the voting booths.:roll:

Well, the PAC did a lot worse. They are a black extremist group, and they went into bars mostly frequented by whites and sprayed automatic fire, and even attacked a church while in session. And they did this AFTER Mandela was released and all the apartheid laws scrapped off the book, at least the ANC respected the "cease-fire."

[Connaught Ranger]

[QUOTE]

Here you are.
You are nauseating.

This is happening in Africa. Different continent. Keep up. And so you don't refute the fact that your "eradication of the coloureds" was utter BS made up by you on the spot. As is usual.

You really are a drama queen, billy boy,:lol:

You really do need to do a refresher course in basic English old bean, and a course in understanding basic English as well, because there is nothing in my posts to back up your claims of condoneing murder whatsoever.:roll:

Your main objection seems to be either:-

a, that I did not feel any sympathy for this white Supremacists passing.:roll:

b, rush to condone the despicable crime as being commited by the A.N.C. and their followers.:roll:

when in all probability it was a murder commited over the failure to pay wages as originaly stated in the intial press reports.

And if you object to my posts please feel free to enable the "ignore posts by" button.

Connaught Ranger.

[wilhelm]

My main objection is the rubbish you type. And your attempted twisting and turning of the facts. We have already seen you simply make up stuff attributed to Terreblanche, which existed only in your imagination.

The two murderers have claimed he owed them money. Naturally they would say just about anything at this stage. They also claimed they did it in "self-defence", even though Terreblanche was asleep at the time recovering from an operation when they crept in and bludgeoned him to death with a machete. And you have naturally chosen to believe them, which is about par for the course for you.

The modus operandi used is exactly the same the length and breadth of the country, with thousands of farmers murdered and thousands more lives irrevocably shattered. More intelligent people than you in the political and legal spectrum in South Africa have realised this, and are condeming it.

Feel free to see my post above on this page where I point out your examples of condoning murder against farmers.
It's there in black and white.
And it is still despicable.

[Connaught Ranger]

My main objection is the rubbish you type. And your attempted twisting and turning of the facts. We have already seen you simply make up stuff attributed to Terreblanche, which existed only in your imagination.

The two murderers have claimed he owed them money. Naturally they would say just about anything at this stage. They also claimed they did it in "self-defence", even though Terreblanche was asleep at the time recovering from an operation when they crept in and bludgeoned him to death with a machete. And you have naturally chosen to believe them, which is about par for the course for you.

The modus operandi used is exactly the same the length and breadth of the country, with thousands of farmers murdered and thousands more lives irrevocably shattered. More intelligent people than you in the political and legal spectrum in South Africa have realised this, and are condeming it.

Feel free to see my post above on this page where I point out your examples of condoning murder against farmers.
It's there in black and white.
And it is still despicable.

Thats alleged murderers prior to a trial old bean.:roll:

Its a free world, I can believe what I want to, I see you condem them out of hand though, par for the course in your game.

Again you provide no source or official independant statistitics to back up your claims of "thousands" of farmers murdered.:roll:

And you really do need to start using the words "In my opinion" as thats all it is, with regards the content of my posts here on MP.net.

However prior to this thread being started about the murder of T-B., how many threads & posts weremade concerning the Thousands of farmers being murdered in South Africa have been posted on MP.net?p-)

Yours despicably as ever, Connaught Ranger.woot

[baboon6]

Thats alleged murderers prior to a trial old bean.:roll:

Its a free world, I can believe what I want to, I see you condem them out of hand though, par for the course in your game.

Again you provide no source or official independant statistitics to back up your claims of "thousands" of farmers murdered.:roll:

And you really do need to start using the words "In my opinion" as thats all it is, with regards the content of my posts here on MP.net.

However prior to this thread being started about the murder of T-B., how many threads & posts weremade concerning the Thousands of farmers being murdered in South Africa have been posted on MP.net?p-)

Yours despicably as ever, Connaught Ranger.woot

Actually there is a thread in this section which has been going for some time...

[wilhelm]

Again you provide no source or official independant statistitics to back up your claims of "thousands" of farmers murdered.:roll:



Yours despicably as ever, Connaught Ranger.woot

Stop being a lazy troll. It's out there and you know it.


"White Farmers being wiped out"
Over 3000 have been killed since 1994...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece

"2 More S.African farmers killed: death toll now at 3037."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267463Even the incompetent police and government have been forced to admit that the figures are "over 2500". It's difficult to judge accurately as the ANC and the police decided to put a moritorium on releasing crime statistics! That should tell you all you need to know.


However prior to this thread being started about the murder of T-B., how many threads & posts weremade concerning the Thousands of farmers being murdered in South Africa have been posted on MP.net?http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/../images/smilies/icon_pirate.gif
What the hell has that got to do with anything? Anyway, the most recent thread is:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?171964-SA-Farm-Murders



And I'm truly sorry to other posters out there for posting the next link, but this is what Connaught Ranger thinks is desrving of all the sarcasm and smileys. It is not funny in any way. This is the reality for thousands of farmers and their relatives. Mods, please remove the link if you see fit.

WARNING!!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC MURDER PICTURES. DO NOT OPEN IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY SCENES OF BRUTALITY.

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=47276

[coltfan111]

:|...........................................

All T-B stuff aside. From what I have heard and seen in the last few years I am a bit concerned about the directions in which I see SA is heading.

[Connaught Ranger]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100406/twl-anger-at-court-over-slain-white-powe-3fd0ae9.html


Anger At Court Over Slain White Power Leader.

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Police had erected a barbed-wire barricade to separate crowds of Mr Terre'blanche's Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB) supporters and black workers awaiting the hearing.


One report said there were 200 AWB supporters outside the court in Ventersdorp - 60 miles west of Johannesburg. Another said nearly 2,000 people had to be split up.


AWB loyalists had been singing South Africa's apartheid-era national anthem Die Stem Van Suid-Afrika.


The opposing side responded with Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrica (God Bless Africa), the anthem introduced after the country's first multi-racial elections in 1994.


One woman in the crowd said: "We are celebrating the death of the man who has abused us so much."


South African leaders, including president Jacob Zuma, have called for calm since Saturday's killing.


Police believe the victim, who had pushed to preserve white minority rule in the 1990s, was killed over a pay dispute.


Officers have not identified either of the suspects, aged 15 and 28, by name. The next hearing will take place on April 14.


South Africa was dubbed the "Rainbow Nation" following the end of apartheid, but it is saddled with a reputation for crime (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/crime-punishment.html) and violence.


Mr Terre'blanche's death has focused attention on simmering racial tensions less than 10 weeks before South Africa hosts the football (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/football.html) World Cup.


AWB members still seek to create an all-white republic within mostly black South Africa.


The group's red, white and black insignia resembles a Nazi swastika, but with three ****gs instead of four.


Mr Terre'blanche, 69, was once convicted of beating a black farm worker so badly the man was left brain damaged.



My bold.

Connaught Ranger

[OrangeWolf]

The accused part was more important to bold than the crime rise? Geez, shame it didn't say alleged huh?

[Connaught Ranger]

The accused part was more important to bold than the crime rise? Geez, shame it didn't say alleged huh?

I believe this specific thread was started about the death of T-B and not farmers in general.

Connaught Ranger

[Rudolph]

Then you're missing the point completely, because his death is enabling the world to see the reality of South African farm killings... HIS death is not the issue.

[davey]

TENSE: People chant "hero, hero" outside court in Ventersdorp as police escort one of the two men charged with the killing of AWB leader Eugene Terre'Blanche. (Alexander Joe, AFP)http://www.news24.com/Content

The fact that the killers are seen as heroes by the black crowd gathering outside the court building is rather disturbing. Ironically, the AWB's last statements rule out revenge and appeal for calm:


AWB rules out revenge
2010-04-05 23:11

David Stamp

Ventersdorp - The AWB promised on Monday not to seek violent revenge for the death of Eugene Terre'Blanche, easing fears that his death might provoke racial unrest.

Terre'Blanche, who led the Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB) that pushed to preserve apartheid in the 1990s, was hacked and battered to death on Saturday following a suspected dispute over pay with two black farm workers.

Leaders of his party, which has been marginalised in recent years, initially vowed to avenge his death, blaming it on sentiment whipped up by the leader of the youth league of the African National Congress.

But an AWB spokesperson told reporters that the party was not planning any violent action.

"The AWB is not going to engage in any form of violent retaliation to avenge Mr Terre'Blanche death," said Pieter Steyn, a general in the AWB.

"We appeal for people to remain calm. Anyone engaging in any form of violence is not doing it as AWB."http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/406df08787874c45b96e86bf0e996dd4/05-04-2010-11-11/AWB_rules_out_revenge_

[Atlantic Friend]

What's not helping is that the two accused workers were apparently acclaimed by the crowd when they left the courtroom to be brought back to jail.

Ah, Davey beat me to it.

[Rudolph]

What's not helping is that the two accused workers were apparently acclaimed by the crowd when they left the courtroom to be brought back to jail.

Ah, Davey beat me to it.

This is very sad to hear, because in traditional black culture you may never speak ill of the dead... Even when former president PW Botha died the ANC had only good things to say about him. The AWB initially said that as long as the township nearby doesn't praise his death, they will not take any action. But chanting "hero" in front of their faces is probably creating a VERY hostile atmosphere. Hopefully no one gets Dutch courage tonight...

[drevil5000]

Yeah they fall into the catagory and classification of the A.W.B. members who embarked on a bombing campaign of the voting booths.:roll:

Interesting that you are making a very basic generalisation with nothing to back it up.

The ANC did the same thing for years.

[Fade]

Racial tensions rise at South Africa courthouse
By Peroshni Govender, *******

VENTERSDORP, South Africa - Tempers flared outside a South African court on Tuesday when two black farm workers were charged with murdering white supremacist leader Eugene Terre’blanche.

Police kept apart a crowd of 200 supporters of Terre’blanche’s Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB) and a group of black workers outside the court in Ventersdorp, 100 km west of Johannesburg.

As AWB loyalists sang South Africa’s apartheid-era national anthem, the opposing side responded with Nkosi Sikelel’ iAfrica (God Bless Africa), the anthem introduced after the country’s first multi-racial elections in 1994.

South African leaders, including President Jacob Zuma, have urged calm since Saturday’s killing, and police reacted quickly to separate the two groups when a white woman threw a bottle of water.

Inside the court, the farm workers, aged 15 and 21, were charged with murder in a case that has fanned fears of racial tension in Africa’s biggest economy two months before it is due to host the soccer World Cup.

They were also charged with theft, robbery and crimen injuria — an assault on the dignity of the victim. http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeGlobalnav/invisible.gif

“After they assaulted the deceased, they pulled down his pants and exposed his private parts,” said the head of the National Prosecuting Authority, Menzi Simelane.

Article continued at http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/04/06/13482346-*******.html

Pulled down his pants, WTF?

[Rudolph]

drevil5000, there's nothing cowardly about killing elderly people while they are sleeping, raping babies, and severing fingers, etc. of old ladies, sometimes urinating on them... that's how a real warrior does it!

[Rudolph]

Racial tensions rise at South Africa courthouse
By Peroshni Govender, *******

VENTERSDORP, South Africa - Tempers flared outside a South African court on Tuesday when two black farm workers were charged with murdering white supremacist leader Eugene Terre’blanche.

Police kept apart a crowd of 200 supporters of Terre’blanche’s Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB) and a group of black workers outside the court in Ventersdorp, 100 km west of Johannesburg.

As AWB loyalists sang South Africa’s apartheid-era national anthem, the opposing side responded with Nkosi Sikelel’ iAfrica (God Bless Africa), the anthem introduced after the country’s first multi-racial elections in 1994.

South African leaders, including President Jacob Zuma, have urged calm since Saturday’s killing, and police reacted quickly to separate the two groups when a white woman threw a bottle of water.

Inside the court, the farm workers, aged 15 and 21, were charged with murder in a case that has fanned fears of racial tension in Africa’s biggest economy two months before it is due to host the soccer World Cup.

They were also charged with theft, robbery and crimen injuria — an assault on the dignity of the victim. http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeGlobalnav/invisible.gif

“After they assaulted the deceased, they pulled down his pants and exposed his private parts,” said the head of the National Prosecuting Authority, Menzi Simelane.

Article continued at http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2010/04/06/13482346-*******.html

Pulled down his pants, WTF?

Obviously to greatly humiliate not him, but those who would see the corpse.... Then again, that's standard behaviour for farm murderers, often they don't even steal anything as per police reports.

[Fade]

Defiling the dead to make a point? Disgusting behaviour, to say the least.

[Rudolph]

Defiling the dead to make a point? Disgusting behaviour, to say the least.

I feel sorry for the 15-year-old kid who probably doesn't have a clue what's happening now because of him and his "friend."

[Rudolph]

"As the police were unrolling the razor wire from their armoured vehicle, they drove into a ditch and got stuck, setting off the singing of the Afrikaner folk song "o, help 'n bietjie daar" (lend a hand), with some of the white people shouting, "find a boer and a tractor" and laughing at the police as they struggled to complete their task of separating the two races."

At least they havn't lost their sense of humour... lol

[Connaught Ranger]

The ANC did the same thing for years.

Of course they did they were a terrorist organisation were they not, (to some on here they still are)

However, are you trying to justify the A.W.B. campaign on the old "well they did it first" whinge?

Connaught Ranger.

[Rudolph]

Of course they did they were a terrorist organisation were they not, (to some on here they still are)

However, are you trying to justify the A.W.B. campaign on the old "well they did it first" whinge?

Connaught Ranger.

I think we can all agree that ANC had a much more legitimate cause than the AWB. That's why I mentioned the black extremists the PAC rather. Both equally stupid and narrow-minded.

[Rudolph]

One less racist in one of the most racist countries on the planet, shame for anyone to be killed in that manner, but i have no pity for a man with his beliefs, none.

Ever heard of Mugabe? ;)

[Rudolph]

Well, maybe many of those who left (the minority) did so because they were racist? Or, that was just your experience... Either way, as I always say, what the African leadership must remember is that even if they give every single item of the 9% white population to the black majority, the other 91% will still have the same things as before. Therefore, the only hope is for the government to call in Western help and start a education campaign like never seen in the world before, and one day the black majority will through sheer numerical superiority control all sectors of the economy. I also resent that some people say whites are only rich because of apartheid... Are we so different from the Finns, Brits, Americans, etc. in culture? If there was no one is Africa, we would've been even richer, because the pie would be cut into bigger pieces for us...

[Jobu]

The ANC is turning South Africa into another Zimbabwe. It's sad to see a nation with so much promise fail so terribly.

[Rudolph]

I'm just hoping that when the time finally comes, we won't be torn between the US/Western Europe and Russia/China for our resources. Then our lives will be worth nothing...

[Rudolph]

I agree to some extent and im not trying to demonize all White SA's, i'm just looking at it historically, i know there were atrocities commited by Black SA's, and White SA's just the same, i guess i'm just wondering why its still taking place and why all the hate hasn't dissapated

Probably because poverty has exactly doubled from 1994 - 2006... Now the politicians want to blame us because they can't do their jobs properly. Taking our farms and wealth will only be a short-term solution. And what if a few million decide to fight back? Do we really need that?

[omghihi]

I wonder what's with that AWB flag with a triskelion on it. Wouldn't the flag of Transvaal be better? Orange free state? prinsevlag?

Or are they just nutty jesuslovers, with those 3 sevens, blood of jesus and all.

[Rudolph]

No thats the last thing SA, or any country in Africa needs is another war, and i agree transferrig wealth from people who have it to people who don't is nothing more than a band-aid solution, hopfully it sorts itself out, i just have a hard time siding with either group when guys like TB are still around.

Surely every country has groups like these... Also put it in perspective, at their height they had 70,000 members, out of a white population close to 6 million at the time. They did in no way represent the typical Afrikaner, and they were in opposition to the apartheid government, who were dismantling apartheid laws from the 1960's already. So, really, thinking they are the problem in the country is having the story the wrong way around - if you get my meaning.

[Rudolph]

I completely understand, i guess as someone who only sees what goes on in the news its far to easy to blame White SA's for the problems in the country, i know its far more complicated than black vs white

What I can't answer you is how my mind would work if I was an uneducated African living in a handmade shack looking at white people living in 3 storey houses, driving fancy cars.... Maybe I would go crazy. That's the burden the young white generation has to live with. Also, there are 1 million Indians who were brought here by the British, and close to 4 million coloureds brought here by the Dutch. Pointing fingers is actually quite hard to do with this complex makeup.

[drevil5000]

Of course they did they were a terrorist organisation were they not, (to some on here they still are)

However, are you trying to justify the A.W.B. campaign on the old "well they did it first" whinge?

Connaught Ranger.

You are blaming the awb for doing something but ignoring the fact that the blacks did exactly the same thing. It shows your bias.

[drevil5000]

I agree to some extent and im not trying to demonize all White SA's, i'm just looking at it historically, i know there were atrocities commited by Black SA's, and White SA's just the same, i guess i'm just wondering why its still taking place and why all the hate hasn't dissapated

It hasn't dissapated because race plays a big role in the new SA, your race determines if you get a job, if get a bursary, if you get business from the state, if you qualify for state benefits etc.

Also the government blames their lack of service delivery on whites.

[Skukuza]

Well, firstly you're an idiot. You know nothing about what happened.... Beaiting a man to death like an animal while he's sleeping shows who the real animals are. What, you think there aren't wage disputes on farms in France, USA, etc? Is this the solution?

As for the man himself, he won't be missed by most of us whites...

Other than that, do not let the left-wingers use this opportunity to vilify him ever more after his death to shift focus away from the murderous act, as the fact of the matter is that another white farmer has been killed by blacks and so far it seems nothing was stolen from the farm. What would the approriate response now be by the right-wing element in the country? Will you then justify them killing innocent blacks in retribution? This incident has the potential to escelate badly...

Just to clarify... What has happened is that his death can be viewed symbolically as the conclusion of his life's beliefs. He, a white man, died, defenceless in his bed, killed by two Africans, using a machete and a traditional African cane.... that is the death he envisioned for the Afrikaner after apartheid, and now he has died in this manner. We have no idea what's gonna happen now.
Dankie Rudolph, I was wondering how to answer this fool.

[Connaught Ranger]

You are blaming the awb for doing something but ignoring the fact that the blacks did exactly the same thing. It shows your bias.So the old "Which came first the chicken or the egg" argument to back up your statements.:roll:

The native Africans, when engaged in "doing something" were considered terrorists, yes?

So by that definition the tactics espoused by the AWB = Terrorism.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Connaught Ranger.

[playtym]

Just a question for you guys in SA, what do you know about or think about the stories that when Mandela passes the blacks will go on a killing spree of whites??? Or is this just an urban myth??

The supposed Uhuru / Night of the Long Knives story, which goes something like this: When Mandela dies South African Brewries will sponsor beer gardens at the major sports arenas where all blacks will drink themselves silly for a week and then go off and kill all the whites. If the search function wasn't so F'd up I could find the thread where we discussed it a few years back. I did find this rather amusing article (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?106082-south-africans&p=2393091&viewfull=1#post2393091) which I posted a few years ago.

The corner stone of the whole story is that the plan was hatched on a visit to the USSR by Nelson Mandela - which was supposed to have happened long before he ever visited there for the first time. I reckon it's all a load of cobblers, but let's hope there aren't a bunch of people out there who actually believe that Mandela's death means they should start killing whites.

The original story seems to have been spread via DVD by a group called Die Suidlanders (http://diesuidlandersvideos.blogspot.com/2008/02/re-uhuru.html), who were led by an ex army intelligence officer who was later arrested on fraud charges (http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=55894,1,22).

[playtym]

Oh, and after reading through this whole thread two things sprang to mind...


Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.;-)

[G-AWZT]

99% of the time they attack the farms late at night. Of course the whole bunch of them are cowards. Who would face up to a group of armed and ready Boers??


None...........they usually go for the "sucker punch" when you're not looking, or they attack in a pack when you're alone. They will rarely confront you alone face to face especially if you're armed.

[drevil5000]

So the old "Which came first the chicken or the egg" argument to back up your statements.:roll:

The native Africans, when engaged in "doing something" were considered terrorists, yes?

So by that definition the tactics espoused by the AWB = Terrorism.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Connaught Ranger.

Again, the fact that you only attack one side shows your bias.

[wilhelm]

Oh, and after reading through this whole thread two things sprang to mind...

Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/../images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

;-)

I agree somewhat.

But on the other hand I have no idea how he constantly gets away with flouting forum rules.:-(

[Connaught Ranger]

I agree somewhat.

But on the other hand I have no idea how he constantly gets away with flouting forum rules.:-(

Another hissy-fit billy boy!:roll:

Well thankfully you are NOT a Mod on here or I see a very selective thining of members whose opinions dont follow your slanted views "guidelines," and IF you think the MODS here are not up to their jobs feel free to PM them.

Con naught Ranger.

[wilhelm]

Another hissy-fit billy boy!:roll:

Well thankfully you are NOT a Mod on here or I see a very selective thining of members whose opinions dont follow your slanted views "guidelines," and IF you think the MODS here are not up to their jobs feel free to PM them.

Con naught Ranger.

Why must every single thread you enter end up in trolling, flames and bickering?

[Connaught Ranger]

Why must every single thread you enter end up in trolling, flames and bickering?

Please back up your claims on that, theres a good chap.

[BLUE THOR]

So, have they put him in the ground yet? The last couple of pages have been entertaining (if you like girly hissy fights) but less than informative.
Im sure Wilhelm and Ranger can accept neither side is without blame, an if someone wants to be one sided, who cares, its the internet, and its only their opinion.

[Connaught Ranger]

At least I can agree with your comments, BLUE THOR.

[wilhelm]

I obviously accept that BLUE THOR. I do not agree with Terreblanche's politics, much less the pack of parasites that call themselves the ANC.

But this issue is about farm murders as a whole. This morning at 5:30am, an 18 year old farmers son was shot dead through his window. As I type this, there is a farmer, or his wife and kids, somewhere in South Africa who will most likely be murdered before sunrise tomorrow.

My problem is with the usual trolling and flaming that accompanies CR into every thread. Accompanying this in this thread is his attempted condoning of the murder of farmers, of which Terreblanche was just the latest of over 3300, the latest figure quoted by the Democratic Alliance. He seems to think this is funny and some sort of "deserved" payback. Yes, even the children and infants who have been murdered.

This is why I find him despicable.

[BLUE THOR]

So does anyone know when they are putting Terre Blanche in the ground? or have they had the funeral already?
should be an interesting day.

[Dinges]

So does anyone know when they are putting Terre Blanche in the ground? or have they had the funeral already?
should be an interesting day.

This coming Friday

[Rudolph]

Terre'Blanche murder 'political'

2010-04-06 22:33

Johannesburg - The murder of Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) leader Eugene Terre'Blanche was no ordinary crime, but a political murder, "probably involving government", the agricultural union TAU-SA said on Tuesday.

"The cruelty and barbaric actions which is evident during such murders, was repeated in the case of Mr Terre'Blanche, and does not relate to the alleged motive," said TAU-SA president Ben Marais.

The situation in South Africa was much worse than the general perception and called for drastic intervention, he said.

"If we look at the course of events during the previous weeks, an upsetting pattern has materialised in which the murder of Mr Eugene Terre'Blanche is but one incident.

"We are afraid that this is not the end unless drastic intervention by government or by the citizens themselves takes place.

"Racial polarisation is a reality, and the trigger for further conflict lies in the hands of the ANC Youth League and its radical leader (Julius Malema (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/user/8961)), who apparently cannot be called to order, responsibility and discipline by the ruling party."

Incidents

Marais said that farm killings had increased in recent weeks, nationalisation of agricultural land was on the agenda, and the "inflammatory song "shoot the boer" had made an appearance.

"Finally a well-known leader was murdered," he said.

Terre'Blanche was murdered on his Ventersdorp farm on Saturday, allegedly by two farm workers, over a labour dispute.

The two, a 15-year-old and a 27-year-old, appeared in the Ventersdorp Magistrate's Court on Tuesday.

"TAU-SA is tired of the fact that an environment is deliberately created to discredit farmers.

"Notice was taken that during the protests at the Ventersdorp court hearing, once again allegations were made against the farmers, which creates a climate for radical elements to justify similar brutal attacks.

"TAU-SA rejects statements that farmers treat their workers badly."

Workers 'should seek better treatment'

If workers felt they were being badly treated, there were sufficient statutory institutions they could approach for help and where their grievances would be considered and examined.

Workers could also leave those farms to seek better treatment, accommodation, salary and fringe benefits elsewhere, Marais said.

"Perhaps the time has now come to make a serious appeal to farmers to reduce their workforce and to mechanise for the sake of security and peace of mind.

"Since the murder of Mr Terre'Blanche, TAU-SA noted that an increasing number of cases appeared reflecting labour related issues.

"Farmers should be mindful that it seems as if this is the latest cause for disputes declared."

Unacceptable

Marais said the union was tired of the ongoing, deliberate efforts to transform criminals "to appear to be the heroes and to project farmers as criminals".

"We cannot accept this any longer," he said.

"The fact is that the ANC has lost control of itself and of the country.

"What is taking place in the country is nothing less than armed propaganda for a liberation that we thought was in place 16 years ago."

Marais called on farmers to tighten their security.

"What we can do right now, is to repeat what we've said before, namely that neighbourhood and farm watches should be activated as a matter of urgency. We believe that we are only facing the beginning of bigger problems."

- SAPA

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/27c05cf1b4434b6d89057b0486adbc53/06-04-2010-10-33/Farmer_union_TerreBlanche_murder_political

[BLUE THOR]

whats the atmosphere surrounding the funeral? likely to be clashes/ riots/ violence?
and where is it all happening?

[Rudolph]

^Ventersdorp. Frontpage articles talk about Terre'blanche's body being found naked. People are emotionally provoked, and furious.

[BLUE THOR]

Thanks mate, will keep an eye out on it.

[wilhelm]

"Perhaps the time has now come to make a serious appeal to farmers to reduce their workforce and to mechanise for the sake of security and peace of mind.

This is exactly the route to follow in my opinion.

The overseas members of this board should take note that South Africa is probably the only African country able to feed itself, and grow surplus. This year, 4 billion Rands worth of surplus maize was sold to the UN food programme, to enable that organisation to feed the completely unsustainable failed states that constitutes the vast majority of Africa. The SA government has been buying productive white owned farms for redistribution to emerging black farmers. This is a good thing in principal, but the reality is that 90% of this former productive farmland is now not producing anymore and lies semi abandoned. This is the governments own estimate. Malema has stated that Zimbabwe's land reform is a good model to follow. So........

When the orchestrated murders of white farmers continues, the dereliction of of previously productive farmland continues, the rabble rousing of the ANC continues, be aware that you, overseas, will be expected to fix this all by sending your hard earned tax money in the form of aid to Africa.

[BLUE THOR]

Mechanisation will only solve half the issue, although alot of intelligence on the farm/ building layout, weapons and personnel present and timings will be supplied to attackers by farm workers, this wont stop people jumping the gate and kicking the door in. The Commando system needs to come back, It worked, as far as I know, and from what I've been told by the saffers I know.
Perhaps if it was tightly controlled, and encouraged, by the police, with continued training and support, it would be more successful.
Obvoiusly I'd love to throw out the old "Education is Key" line but I doubt that educating the black population against attacking the white farmers is not high on the ANC agenda. certainly not with the Youth Leader signing songs about killing Boers.

On second thoughts, mechanisation will contribute to the unemployment rate, and will quite possibly increase the violence level, as higher unemployment often runs hand in hand with a rise in violent incidents.

[wilhelm]

Blue Thor, the Commando system was working fine. Thus, it had to go, with the ANC disbanding it. This is yet another piece of the puzzle that shows that there must be, at the very least, government indifference, and most likely, government incitement going on in the farm murders. After all, why dismantle the commando system and replace it with a corrupt, inefficient police force comprised of functional illiterates? Now add the new firearm legislation, the "kill the Boer, kill the farmer" song, the constant villification of farmers and what do you get? It's fairly obvious to anybody with a modicum of intelligence, something not always prevalent amongst posters on this site.

Perhaps mechanisation will allow the masses an early glimpse of what the future currently holds for them if they continue voting in a pack of criminals, and continue with their "culture of criminality" thats has been in the vanguard since the 1960's.

Another side note: The Western Cape has a overwhelmingly predominant "coloured" labour force, this being the South African term for those people with mixed ancestory, as opposed to black. Yet this type of attack simply does not happen in the Western Cape. The conclusion therfore is either cultural, or yet another point for politically inspired.

[Atlantic Friend]

^Ventersdorp. Frontpage articles talk about Terre'blanche's body being found naked.

That would be consistent with his being killed in his sleep - I hope the claims that he was undressed after his death are over the top, nobody needs any more fuel put to the fire.

[Atlantic Friend]

Blue Thor, the Commando system was working fine. Thus, it had to go, with the ANC disbanding it. This is yet another piece of the puzzle that shows that there must be, at the very least, government indifference, and most likely, government incitement going on in the farm murders. After all, why dismantle the commando system and replace it with a corrupt, inefficient police force comprised of functional illiterates?

Because unification of police forces is pretty much the rule for every country perhaps? No need to see too much in too little, we humans like to link events and see them as patterns but it's all too easy for us to end up seeing only what we want to see. Instead of pre-supposing the existence of a plan for mass killing of white farmers, better to start from the murders and work the cases up, IMHO. Murder is pretty rampant in SA, and it's not as if only white farmers get killed either.

[BLUE THOR]

That would be consistent with his being killed in his sleep - I hope the claims that he was undressed after his death are over the top, nobody needs any more fuel put to the fire.

Its not the first time that has happened however, there was a previous post with a link to alot of articles, and in another thread pictures and articles that describe some victims being undressed or macabrely positioned for effect - the idea here was likely to humiliate.
The fuel will be well and truely on the fire come Friday.

[baboon6]

Because unification of police forces is pretty much the rule for every country perhaps? No need to see too much in too little, we humans like to link events and see them as patterns but it's all too easy for us to end up seeing only what we want to see. Instead of pre-supposing the existence of a plan for mass killing of white farmers, better to start from the murders and work the cases up, IMHO. Murder is pretty rampant in SA, and it's not as if only white farmers get killed either.

The Commandos were part of the Defence Force not the police. And unification of police forces is not the rule for every country, look at the multitude of police forces in the US and to a lesser extent Canada, or even the UK.

That said, since they had in recent years primarily a law-enforcement role, putting the Commandos under the police might have made sense. But there are several other army units in SA whose main role is co-operation with the police, and others do so as well on occasion, so this argument doesn't entirely work either. The fact is that the single most important element in rural security was removed and not replaced.

[Atlantic Friend]

The Commandos were part of the Defence Force not the police. And unification of police forces is not the rule for every country, look at the multitude of police forces in the US and to a lesser extent Canada, or even the UK.

That said, since they had in recent years primarily a law-enforcement role, putting the Commandos under the police might have made sense. But there are several other army units in SA whose main role is co-operation with the police, and others do so as well on occasion, so this argument doesn't entirely work either. The fact is that the single most important element in rural security was removed and not replaced.

What happened to the members of these units? They were transferred into other outfits?

[wilhelm]

Because unification of police forces is pretty much the rule for every country perhaps? No need to see too much in too little, we humans like to link events and see them as patterns but it's all too easy for us to end up seeing only what we want to see. Instead of pre-supposing the existence of a plan for mass killing of white farmers, better to start from the murders and work the cases up, IMHO. Murder is pretty rampant in SA, and it's not as if only white farmers get killed either.

Atlantic Friend, as Baboon6 has pointed out, the Commando's were Army, not police. Again, his point about the single most effective tool, the Commando, being disbanded and not replaced, speaks volumes IMHO. I used to think it was just the gross incompetemce being shown at every government level to blame. Now, I think there is perhaps a more sinister reason.

The police had an elite unit called the Scorpions. Their job was to target organised crime and white collar fraud. Things were going along very well, with them achieving very high conviction rates indeed, compared to the dismal rate of the normal police. Then they started investigating arms deal fraud and tender fraud involving the ANC, as is their duty. They have been rapidly disbanded on orders from the ANC and not replaced.

I'll leave you to work it out from there......

[BLUE THOR]

Atlantic Friend, as Baboon6 has pointed out, the Commando's were Army, not police. Again, his point about the single most effective tool, the Commando, being disbanded and not replaced, speaks volumes IMHO. I used to think it was just the gross incompetemce being shown at every government level to blame. Now, I think there is perhaps a more sinister reason.

The police had an elite unit called the Scorpions. Their job was to target organised crime and white collar fraud. Things were going along very well, with them achieving very high conviction rates indeed, compared to the dismal rate of the normal police. Then they started investigating arms deal fraud and tender fraud involving the ANC, as is their duty. They have been rapidly disbanded on orders from the ANC and not replaced.

I'll leave you to work it out from there......

Sad indicator of the state of government if thats true. any links to your claim that they were investigating the ANC? or where should I look to find out that info?

[wilhelm]

Sad indicator of the state of government if thats true. any links to your claim that they were investigating the ANC? or where should I look to find out that info?

It was leading news in South Africa on and off for months, with the ANC going full tilt on a smear campaign against the leadership of the Scorpions. I don't have anything to hand right now, but if none of the other forumites posts anything, I'll have a go. A wealthy leading businessman even tried to take the ANC to court to stop them from disbanding them, but to no avail.

[Atlantic Friend]

Atlantic Friend, as Baboon6 has pointed out, the Commando's were Army, not police. Again, his point about the single most effective tool, the Commando, being disbanded and not replaced, speaks volumes IMHO. I used to think it was just the gross incompetemce being shown at every government level to blame. Now, I think there is perhaps a more sinister reason.

The Commandos, was it an all-white outfit at the time?



The police had an elite unit called the Scorpions. Their job was to target organised crime and white collar fraud. Things were going along very well, with them achieving very high conviction rates indeed, compared to the dismal rate of the normal police. Then they started investigating arms deal fraud and tender fraud involving the ANC, as is their duty. They have been rapidly disbanded on orders from the ANC and not replaced.

Disbanded, just like that? Not a wise move indeed. Not that it doesn't happen in modern democracies to have inquiries clamped by political pressure, or to have nosey investigators transfered or promoted elsewhere, but disbanding the whole unit does sound bad.

[BLUE THOR]

Thanks Wilhelm, just giving me the rough dates will help, but chuck what you can find up, might change some opinions here.

[wilhelm]

Disbanded, just like that? Not a wise move indeed. Not that it doesn't happen in modern democracies to have inquiries clamped by political pressure, or to have nosey investigators transfered or promoted elsewhere, but disbanding the whole unit does sound bad.Yes, disbanded just like that. Although obviously many of the staff were incorporated into the regular police, others were forced out, and the strong investigative capacities of the Scorpions therefor completely smashed.

The ANC said there was a "third force" at work that wanted to bring about the return of Apartheid. Quite laughable really. This mythical "third force" is a favourite bogeyman tactic of theirs to smear anything or anyone that critisizes them or exposes the wholesale plunder and kleptocracy that is an ANC feature of government. That, and the label "racist".

Quite pathetic really.

I have always noted that the ANC, which was a fine organisation before, was hijacked in the 1960's by criminals masqurading under the "marxist" and socialist banner. And that includes a certain famous somebody who militarized the ANC leading to tens upon tens of thousands of deaths, black and white, as deeply unpopular a notion as that may seem to some. But I digress....

[wilhelm]

Thanks Wilhelm, just giving me the rough dates will help, but chuck what you can find up, might change some opinions here.

Two articles I found after a quick search. the actual campaigns leading up this was characterised by a smear campaign of note against Scorpion top brass, with plenty of scary bogeymen thrown in.



Scorpions disbandment to protect key ANC members: HZF

PARLIAMENT - The disbandment of the Scorpions is clearly intended to shield key ANC members from effective investigation and prosecution, Helen Suzman Foundation director Raenette Taljaard said on Wednesday.


http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=73501,1,22


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South Africa's Scorpion crimefighters to be disbanded

Wendell Roelf
CAPE TOWN
Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:19am EST






CAPE TOWN (*******) - South Africa's elite Scorpions crimefighters will be dissolved in a blow to President Thabo Mbeki, who defended the FBI-style unit against attacks by supporters of political rival Jacob Zuma.
Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula announced the disbanding of the unit to cheers in parliament on Tuesday as Mbeki watched.
Zuma defeated Mbeki for the leadership of the ruling African National Congress at a conference in December. The party also voted to eradicate the Scorpions for participating in what they saw as a plot to smear Zuma and deny him the ANC top job.
The unit raided properties belonging to Zuma and his lawyer in 2005 as part of their corruption investigation of the politician, who is scheduled to go on trial in August for fraud, bribery and other wrongdoing tied to an arms scandal.
"The Scorpions ... will be dissolved and the organized crime unit of the police will be phased out and a new amalgamated unit will be created," Nqakula said in the ANC-dominated parliament in Cape Town.


http://www.*******.com/article/idUSL1223114320080212

The reason for the cheers in parliament is quite apparent. A recent survey done show that 70% of all ANC members of parliament have criminal records.

[Atlantic Friend]

I have always noted that the ANC, which was a fine organisation before, was hijacked in the 1960's by criminals masqurading under the "marxist" and socialist banner. And that includes a certain famous somebody who militarized the ANC leading to tens upon tens of thousands of deaths, black and white, as deeply unpopular a notion as that may seem to some. But I digress....

To pursue the digression a little further, it might have something to do with the fact the fine, pre-1960s ANC was going nowhere politically speaking? Wasn't the 1950s the decade when Apartheid laws were beefed up?

I mean, I'm ready to admit the ANC government doesn't thrill me that much, but if there was a time when the ANC was much more acceptable in its views, it does look as if the National Party goaded it into Marxist extremism.

About the Scorpions, I've read up a few articles, and the case seems perhaps not so clear-cut. It looks like the Scorpions' boss and Zuma's rival Mbeki had worked together to stick corruption charges against Zuma, charges that were declared unlawful by SA's High Court, were reinstated on appeal, and then were dropped. Apparently there were phone intercepts establishing the collusion between the investigative unit and Mbeki, clearly to damage Zuma. If that is true, then the Scorpions haven't exactly been a model of police integrity or impartiality, and their disbandment is shed under a much different light.

[BLUE THOR]

Thanks Wilhelm, cant say I havent learnt something today.
Certainly doesnt help improve the image of the ANC for me.

[Rudolph]

Atlantic Friend, I like your sober analysis of matters...

[wilhelm]

Atlantic Friend, I concur with the Nats strengthening Apartheid laws in the 1950's had to do with a change in direction of the ANC.
I just believe that it was the wrong direction, taken by people within the organisation who turned out to be of a criminal bent, or otherwise turned a blind eye to it. All of South Africa is paying the price for this still.

It was not the only direction to go in.

As for the Scorpions, it did a fine job against crime. Once it started investigating ANC members, the mudslinging started. Do not necessarily believe that it was aimed at poor old innocent Jacob Zuma by nast old Thabo Mbeki. They are as criminal and corrupt as each other. When Zuma has gone, no doubt the story will change yet again.

The entire ANC has turned out into a basically criminal organisation. Our head of police, who's best friend was a convicted drug runner, is now on trial himself.

It is against this backdrop that the highly charged events in this thread have occurred.

I have always stated that crime will not be solved in South Africa whilst the criminals themselves are in government.

[baboon6]

What happened to the members of these units? They were transferred into other outfits?

The members of the various Commandos, which were generally named after the town or district they were from, were all part-timers. They were descendants of the old Boer commandos in pre-Union days, but of course their organisation and role had changed a lot over the years. By the 1990s they were made up of both black and white, male and female, young and old members. Service in them in the 60s-80s period was compulsory for certain personnel but from 1994 on was completely voluntary. They were basically a light infantry force for local defence, with each Commando corresponding roughly to an infantry battalion (though its strength could vary greatly), but as I said their main role in recent years was fighting crime in cooperation with the police. Typically a farmer and at least some of his workers would belong to the local Commando. Some members were given the option of transferring to other army reserve units but of course the role of these units is not the same.

[Atlantic Friend]

Atlantic Friend, I like your sober analysis of matters...

Being basically ignorant of the issues at hand helps my sobriety a lot, believe me. p-)

So the Commandos were functioning almost as a reserve SANDF unit, to be used locally. I suppose back then, when they were established, the idea was to react to border incursions or something like that? I don't suppose, for example, that they could conduct criminal investigations, do forensics at crime scenes, or things of the like?

[baboon6]

Being basically ignorant of the issues at hand helps my sobriety a lot, believe me. p-)

So the Commandos were functioning almost as a reserve SANDF unit, to be used locally. I suppose back then, when they were established, the idea was to react to border incursions or something like that? I don't suppose, for example, that they could conduct criminal investigations, do forensics at crime scenes, or things of the like?

They were exactly a SANDF reserve unit, making up the army territorial reserve. No they couldn't carry out those activities, but patrolling areas and providing a quick reaction force would fairly often deter criminals or catch them before or after the act. The police simply don't have the manpower or in many cases the inclination to do such things.

[BLUE THOR]

I have been told a few stories about incidents involving the Commandos. the one that stuck in my mind was the area Commando recieving a call out via radio from a bloke shot in his truck at his front gate, most of the Commando worked on nearby farms or the nearby town, and through radio comms between themselves managed to organise an armed response to the incident in a very short amount of time, catching the farm raiders in the middle of torturing their victim, apparently only one of the armed attackers bothered to surrender. the other 5 were knocked off.
The system works, and from what I hear, they often arrived in time and the victim survived. The Commando were not only white saffers either, from what I'm told.

If only the ANC would have the fortitude to re-instate it.

[California Joe]

What I'm left with after reading this thread is that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be a white farmer in South Africa.

[baboon6]

I have been told a few stories about incidents involving the Commandos. the one that stuck in my mind was the area Commando recieving a call out via radio from a bloke shot in his truck at his front gate, most of the Commando worked on nearby farms or the nearby town, and through radio comms between themselves managed to organise an armed response to the incident in a very short amount of time, catching the farm raiders in the middle of torturing their victim, apparently only one of the armed attackers bothered to surrender. the other 5 were knocked off.
The system works, and from what I hear, they often arrived in time and the victim survived. The Commando were not only white saffers either, from what I'm told.

If only the ANC would have the fortitude to re-instate it.

By the time the Commandos were disbanded many of the members were black- see my post above.

[Atlantic Friend]

It's pretty awful to be handed a country like South Africa and mess it all up. It's like killing the goose laying the golden eggs.

[BLUE THOR]

By the time the Commandos were disbanded many of the members were black- see my post above.
no worries, dunno how I overlooked that.
When were the Commando's officially disbanded? I would expect the rate of farm raids/ murders increased a bloody lot shortly afterwards.
cheers

[Rudolph]

no worries, dunno how I overlooked that.
When were the Commando's officially disbanded? I would expect the rate of farm raids/ murders increased a bloody lot shortly afterwards.
cheers

My opinion is that farm murder are:

80% socio-economic
10% racial hatred
10% labour dispute

The Institute for Race Relations did say that poverty doubled from 1994 - 2006. http://nml.ru.ac.za/files/poverty%20debate%20paper%20IAMCR%20Berger%20near%20final%20version.doc

That could obviously contribute greatly to the matter, but one must realize that those in and around the farms were probably not much better off during apartheid either. What maybe deterred them back then was fear of the police - because the police force was very effective.

As for actualy numbers, by 2002 Genocide Watch estimated the amount of white farmers murdered at 1000. http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/SAfrica2002Over1000BoerFarmersInSouthAfricaHaveBeenMurderedSince1991.pdf

Next, the Commando system was disbanded in 2003. It consisted of between 50,000 - 70,000 members. http://www.agri-matters.org.za/eng/news_details.asp?NewsId=8387

From 2002 - 2010, farm murders increased to over 3000 in just 8 years. That's exactly double the amount of deadly farm attacks for the same period of time after disbanding the Commandos. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/05/rainbow-nation-loses-glow

[Dwelm]

What I'm left with after reading this thread is that I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be a white farmer in South Africa.

Life sucks in South-Africa, I am sad to say this but it is true.

I don't know where I stand as a white South-African, my country of birth hates me for things I have not done, and If I question this I am labeled as a black hating neo-nazi awb brother. I hear songs every day that tell me I am going to die, if I ask please stop then I am again this awb apartheid loving person, I pay tax but half the road by my house has been a one huge pothole for 2 year, If I ask this to be fixed then I am still a pro awb $%^& white scum, I am of to join the British army now half the white people tell me I am betraying my country and the other half tell my I is the best thing I can do.

I give up.

[playtym]

With regards terminology the words "coloured" is a standard euphemism for people of native African decent as used here in Europe, people like you seem to get off on the actual colour distinction of these people as opposed to your own skin colour.

It's not us Saffie members who 'get off on the actual colour distinction,' but rather our government.
Even in our new, non-discriminatory, democratic country all citizens are classed as being either Black, Coloured, Indian or White. Everyone except the Whites are classed as being Black for purposes of BEE though, even those of Oriental origin.

Try to keep current on such things if you want your arguments to be relevant, old bean.



As for actualy numbers, by 2002 Genocide Watch estimated the amount of white farmers murdered at 1000. http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/SAfrica2002Over1000BoerFarmersInSouthAfricaHaveBeenMurderedSince1991.pdf

Pfff.... what do those genocide watch people know? I think we'd all agree that we can dismiss everything they say as being mere speculation on the part of tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorists who probably have right-wing neo-nazi facist tendancies, can't we? ;-)



Life sucks in South-Africa, I am sad to say this but it is true.

I don't know where I stand as a white South-African, my country of birth hates me for things I have not done, and If I question this I am labeled as a black hating neo-nazi awb brother. I hear songs every day that tell me I am going to die, if I ask please stop then I am again this awb apartheid loving person, I pay tax but half the road by my house has been a one huge pothole for 2 year, If I ask this to be fixed then I am still a pro awb $%^& white scum, I am of to join the British army now half the white people tell me I am betraying my country and the other half tell my I is the best thing I can do.

I give up.

I can definately empathise with you on this Dwelm. My wife has been subjected to pretty much the same thing that imagine you have. She's too young to even remember Apartheid but she's being discriminated against because of the sins of previous generations of white South Africans. She wanted to go to medical school but even though she had the marks to walk in she was refused because they could only take something like 5 whites. A black girl from her school was accepted, even though she just barely scraped through matric. The irony is that this girl dropped out before the end of the first year and South Africa is now having to import Cuban doctors because we can't train enough of our own.
The one thing she does say that she remembers is that she used to feel safe in this country, but she's now even scared of our police.:|

[playtym]

And **** like this certainly doesn't do the AWB any favours....


Johannesburg - Pandemonium broke out at the e.tv studio on Wednesday when Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) secretary general André Visagie had a bitter confrontation with a political commentator.

The incident happened during the recording of Africa 360, a current affairs show on the eNews Channel and on eNews Africa.

Visagie was being bombarded with questions by political commentator Lebohang Pheko.

The dramatic footage of the showdown was aired during eNews Prime Time at 19:00 on Wednesday night.

Visibly angry

Visagie became visibly incensed with Pheko and decided to pull the plug about 30 minutes into the interview.

He stood up, ripped off his microphone and threw it aside and told Pheko: "Don't you dare interrupt me."

At this point, the host, Chris Maroleng, tried to intervene, but Visagie said, "don't touch me".

Maroleng responded with: "you won't dare touch me in my studio."

Security was brought on set and Visagie started to make his way to the exit.

But he then turned back, pointed at Pheko and said: "I'm not finished with you."http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/3b7f1a35a0f447c79522ab1f90fdd098/07-04-2010-11-47/AWB_man_causes_chaos_at_TV_studio

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2739/fb386fb9cf4340649fcd6a0.jpg

[baboon6]

And **** like this certainly doesn't do the AWB any favours....

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/3b7f1a35a0f447c79522ab1f90fdd098/07-04-2010-11-47/AWB_man_causes_chaos_at_TV_studio

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2739/fb386fb9cf4340649fcd6a0.jpg

This Visagie guy is a complete fcukwit. But I suppose he must have learned from the Julius Malema school of media relations- being an ignorant doos is what gets you airtime.

[Rudolph]

^
Yet, no not even the craziest right-winger has ever said the type of things Julius Malema and some other ANC officials have. Bad move on Visagie's side, but what did he expect? He should've refused the request to appear...

"When Mandela dies we will kill you whites like flies" - Mzukizi Gaba

[playtym]

"When Mandela dies we will kill you whites like flies" - Mzukizi Gaba

"Taking from whites is not a crime" - Faraday Nkoane

[Rudolph]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5711/awb.jpg
...........

[playtym]

^ And yet they go the polls every time and, as if by magic, put their cross next to "ANC" on the ballots.

Every time there's an election they hold "voter education" but I can't help but think that the majority of our parties prefer their voters to be stupid and uninformed.

[Rudolph]

ANC youth wing defies party's call not to sing 'Shoot the Boer'
David Smith (http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/davidsmith) in Johannesburg
guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/), Wednesday 7 April 2010 18.14 BST

'Loose cannon' Julius Malema snubs appeal for restraint in South Africa after killing of Eugene Terre'Blanche

The firebrand youth league of South Africa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/southafrica)'s governing African National Congress today vowed to defy the party's call for restraint after the murder of Eugene Terre'Blanche (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/04/eugene-terreblanche-south-african-white-supremacist).

The ANC's secretary general, Gwede Mantashe, asked members to be circumspect in singing liberation songs with words that "can be seen and be interpreted to be contributing to a racial polarisation of society".

But the youth league, led by the controversial Julius Malema (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/02/julius-malema-south-africa-banned-song), insisted it would continue singing all liberation songs, including Shoot the Boer, blamed by some for inciting the killing of Terre'Blanche.

"He [Mantashe] did not say Mr Malema should not sing this song," said Floyd Shivambu, spokesman for the ANC's youth wing. "He said the songs are not banned. We're going to sing all songs of the liberation movement until they are banned."

For months the ruling party resisted calls by opposition parties to rein in Malema, seen as a loose cannon ****e to inflammatory statements.

Then Mantashe told a press conference at Luthuli House in Johannesburg today: "The message that we've communicated to allour structures, including Malema himself as the president of the youth league, is restrain yourselves. Don't put yourself in a position where you become scapegoats for other agendas."

Asked what consequences Malema would face if he ignored the request, Mantashe admitted the ANC leagues were "autonomous but integral" and their relationship with head office was not that of master and servant. "We can only tell them about the need for restraint. We don't want to instil fears in the leagues. We want to instil respect for the political decision taken."

The secretary general added that it had not sought to gag Malema. "It is not about banning liberation songs. It's about in the current environment how … we must all avoid a situation where those songs can be used to actually polarise society."

Members of Terreblanche's far right Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) movement have pointed to the Shoot the Boer song as a causal factor in the murder of their leader and other white farmers. Boer means farmer in Dutch.

Asked why Malema persisted with the song, Mantashe replied: "I don't know why Julius should explain why he sings a song. Why should there be explanations for singing any liberation song?

"If I go to an ANC meeting, one of the things that makes me feel at home is when liberation songs are sung. Then I know that I'm in an ANC meeting. When I go to church and hymns are sung, I know that I'm in a church. When I'm in a family ritual, there are songs that talk to family rituals, then I know I'm in a family ritual.

"Now if journalists are of the view we should not sing this song 16 years into democracy, I always explain that as a 'coconut approach', where you have a black face but your interests and understanding of society is white.

"Blacks sing when there is sorrow, blacks sing when there is happiness, blacks sing when there is war, blacks sing when there is peace. And that should continue. That is who we are. We sing in all circumstances." Both Mantashe and the ANC press spokesman, Jackson Mthembu, then burst into a rendition of a song sung by founder members of the party 98 years ago.

There was a stand-off between black and white spectators (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/06/terreblanche-murder-suspects-court-tensions) yesterday outside the magistrates court where two black farm workers were charged with Terre'Blanche's murder after an apparent wage dispute. The accused were not asked to plead and the case has been adjourned to 14 April.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/07/leader-appeal-anc-refrain-singing-boer-song


Hy wil gebliksem geword!

[Atlantic Friend]

There's always good media to get stirring ****, and Malema wants it.

On the plus side, the ANC leadership has called for restraint and asked not to sing that particular song. Now has the government issued warning that it would not tolerate public disturbances?

[playtym]

There's always good media to get stirring ****, and Malema wants it.

And one should always bear in mind that the job of the reporters is not to report the news but rather to sell newspapers. They are at the end of the day just like any other business and will jump on, and sensationalise, any story that they think will increase their circulation and revenue.

[playtym]

Eish! And then a "boer" comes along and does something like this....


Johannesburg - A North West farmer has been arrested for allegedly assaulting seven workers at his farm near Lichtenburg, police said on Wednesday.

The farmer allegedly assaulted the workers on Tuesday, Lieutenant Colonel Lesego Metsi said.

"They alleged he assaulted them with a blunt object," he said.

The farmer was arrested on Tuesday on seven charges of assault with the intention to cause grievous bodily harm.

He was expected to appear in the Lichtenburg Magistrate's Court on Wednesday.http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Farmer-held-for-beating-7-workers-20100407


The idiots on both sides are taking this whole brinkmanship thing to a completely new level. :cantbeli:

[wilhelm]

"Now if journalists are of the view we should not sing this song 16 years into democracy, I always explain that as a 'coconut approach', where you have a black face but your interests and understanding of society is white.

This fine piece of racism is straight from the mouth of the ANC Secretary General.

[wilhelm]

Malema kicks out BBC journalist

Johannesburg - A journalist at an ANC Youth League media briefing was called a "bastard" and an "agent" by its president Julius Malema (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/user/8930) on Thursday.

The media briefing was on the Youth League's visit to Zimbabwe.

Malema was criticising the Movement for Democratic Change for speaking out against the visit from its office in Sandton, when BBC journalist Jonah Fisher mentioned that the youth league leader lived in Sandton.

An angry Malema retorted: "Here you behave or else you jump. Don't come here with that white tendency, go out bastard, bloody agent."

Explaining the outburst later, Malema said the youth league and its leadership could not be undermined "in our own terrain".

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Malema-kicks-out-BBC-journalist-20100408Just to show you what the man singing "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" really thinks. It also shows the inherent racism that is part and parcel of the ANC mindset.

Like I've said, at best the ANC is indifferent to the wholesale murder of farmers, at worst there is a more sinister motive.

[Rudolph]

Playtym, what I heard about the 7 farm workers that were beaten is that they were busy stealing on the farm, and started arguing with each other about the loot, and then started fighting each other. When the farmer came upon them he simply finished the job. :)

[wilhelm]

Playtym, what I heard about the 7 farm workers that were beaten is that they were busy stealing on the farm, and started arguing with each other about the loot, and then started fighting each other. When the farmer came upon them he simply finished the job. :)

I thought it a bit fishy that 1 guy would assault 7 other men with no defence. I suspect another shifting of the goalposts or red herring here.

[playtym]

Playtym, what I heard about the 7 farm workers that were beaten is that they were busy stealing on the farm, and started arguing with each other about the loot, and then started fighting each other. When the farmer came upon them he simply finished the job. :)

Eish! :cantbeli:

I've said it before elsewhere on this forum, and I'll say it again here. Always, always, always open a case with the police. Something that could have been a case of, "I caught these seven guys stealing from my farm and apprehended them," has now turned into, "our racist white boss beat us for no reason / because we're black. Oh, and did we mention, he's a 'boer'?" :|

[LuKaZz]

I think whites should have pushed for the creation of a separatist enclave somewhere in the country back in '94.

However I think one of the main problems is some of the Boers' attitude towards the blacks, they still wanted them as workers, I think whites should be self-reliant even if it means taking "dirty jobs".

[Atlantic Friend]

I think whites should have pushed for the creation of a separatist enclave somewhere in the country back in '94.

Welcome to the AWB political platform. That's what the aptly named Terreblanche wanted , IIRC. A separate and autonomous home country.

[LuKaZz]

Welcome to the AWB political platform. That's what the aptly named Terreblanche wanted , IIRC. A separate and autonomous home country.

But they saw this from a racist perspective, they wanted to have a separate country where whites were in charge and blacks are in a subordinate position, that's plain wrong and morally despicable.

I think whites should create some sort of enclave but without oppressing blacks.

[drevil5000]

I think whites should have pushed for the creation of a separatist enclave somewhere in the country back in '94.

However I think one of the main problems is some of the Boers' attitude towards the blacks, they still wanted them as workers, I think whites should be self-reliant even if it means taking "dirty jobs".

Actually farmers don't care what race their workers are. They just want workers.

[Rudolph]

But they saw this from a racist perspective, they wanted to have a separate country where whites were in charge and blacks are in a subordinate position, that's plain wrong and morally despicable.

I think whites should create some sort of enclave but without oppressing blacks.

Funny enough, there are two self-determined black countries within South Africa, and no one calls that racist. Lesotho is 100% within South Africa, and Swaziland almost completely surrounded.

I doubt it will ever happen, but indepedence would have to be given to the Western Cape province, there the whites won't be the majority either, so we'll all be equal. Setting up a stupid landlocked whites-only territory within South Africa is not even worth thinking about... Western Cape indepedence would really be a dream come true. We have everything we need, the winelands, Cape sea route, Simonstown naval base, Ysterplaat air force base, Saldanha, tourists stops like Table Mountain, Stellenbosch university, University of Cape Town, nuclear power station, and a diverse black/white/coloured population more equal than anywhere else in the country.

[drevil5000]

TAU: Get ready to fight farm invasions

JOHANNESBURG - Agricultural union TAU (the Transvaal Agricultural Union) has called on white farmers to take up arms in preparation for so-called Zimbabwe-style farm invasions in South Africa.

“We urge our members to improve their self-defence abilities, including firearm skills, in order to defend themselves effectively.
“It is therefore necessary to activate shooting clubs and to implement contingency plans,” said TAU SA president Ben Marais yesterday.

Marais went as far as claiming the government had probably been behind the murder of AWB leader Eugene Terre’Blanche. “TAU is convinced, based on evidence, the murder of Mr Terre’Blanche was no ordinary crime, but a political murder, probably involving government.

“TAU SA is demanding a discussion with government within the next 14 days ...” he said.
Government spokesman Themba Maseko dismissed Marais’s allegation as “absolute rubbish”.
Marais also denied that farmers mistreated their employees. “Workers have the option of leaving the farms where they perceive to be ill- treated, to seek better treatment, accommodation, salary and fringe benefits.

“Maybe this could be found on the approximately 45% of agricultural land that the government has direct control over,” he added.

Young Communist League national secretary Buti Manamela accused Marais of blowing things out of proportion and of fuelling racial tensions.

“The ‘swaart-gevaar’ mentality instigated by TAU SA will do nothing but give irresponsible white farmers (the go-ahead) to illegally dismiss farm workers and evict them from ‘their property’ en- masse in order to create farms into war zones between evicted and dismissed farm workers and farmers.

“If TAU SA is allowed to call for the arming of farmers, this is equal to a declaration of war and therefore, failure by police to intervene in this regard should inevitably lead to farm workers’ unions and political formations to arm workers in their own defence,” he said.

http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=121432,1,22

[playtym]

When I lived in RSA he was viewed rightly as a clown even by most whites I knew

LOL! Ain't that the truth. My fondest memory of Eugene Terreblanche will always be the time he fell off his horse on national TV. rofl



They were right-wing extremists, but not Nazis. They say the 7s are the numbers of God.

They're cutting it pretty close to the Nazi line with this (http://www.awb.co.za/simboliek_e.htm) though.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/455/arend6581027.gif

[playtym]

I think whites should have pushed for the creation of a separatist enclave somewhere in the country back in '94.

You should read up on the Volkstaat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkstaat)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3373/volkstaat9006524.gif



However I think one of the main problems is some of the Boers' attitude towards the blacks, they still wanted them as workers, I think whites should be self-reliant even if it means taking "dirty jobs".

The Afrikaners are an incredibly resilient people, much like the Israeli's - I think you could dump them in the middle of the desert and they would prosper. It wouldn't take long for them to begin attracting "workers" from outside the Volkstaat.

[IconOfEvi]

Alls one can say is...

EISH!

[BLUE THOR]

how did the funeral go? or am I too early??

[Rudolph]

No incidents from what I heard so far... everyone is there. Woman in boer war costumes, hardcore AWB soldiers in uniform, armed to the teeth, black police chief, goth kids, etc... :)

[BLUE THOR]

early days, will have to wait for the beer to soak in.

[wilhelm]

There is apparently a heavy police presence, and thousands of morners according to the various news channels.


Thousands at Terre'Blanche funeral

2010-04-09 12:19




Ventersdorp - Thousands of AWB supporters braved the cold weather to attend the funeral of their leader Eugene Terre'Blanche (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/user/26544) in Ventersdorp on Friday.

Wearing the ultra-right wing movement uniform, they sang "Die Stem" and hoisted the old South African flag in front of the church where the funeral service started at midday.

A man waved a placard reading: "Julius Malema (http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/user/8930) is uneducated, arrogant piece of pig****", referring to the ANC Youth League leader whom some had blamed for playing a role in the murder of Terre'Blanche through his singing of the words "shoot the boer".

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Thousands-at-TerreBlanche-funeral-20100409

[Atlantic Friend]

No incidents from what I heard so far... everyone is there. Woman in boer war costumes, hardcore AWB soldiers in uniform, armed to the teeth, black police chief, goth kids, etc... :)

Goth kids and black police chief? Who would have guessed the late Mr Terreblanche would have a rainbow funeral.

[BLUE THOR]

Goth kids and black police chief? Who would have guessed the late Mr Terreblanche would have a rainbow funeral.
just got in his grave and he is already turning in it!

[Atlantic Friend]

just got in his grave and he is already turning in it!

I wish he could have died peacefully, in a peaceful country, ignored by all but his closest relatives and neighbors and ranting about how his great white country had sunk with all hands to be replaced with a bastardized but thriving democracy. That would have been fitting in so many levels.

Who is that black police chief, BTW, who decided to attend?

[Rudolph]

I wish he could have died peacefully, in a peaceful country, ignored by all but his closest relatives and neighbors and ranting about how his great white country had sunk with all hands to be replaced with a bastardized but thriving democracy. That would have been fitting in so many levels.

Who is that black police chief, BTW, who decided to attend?

Bheki Cele. I'm sure his presence was well received, as he wasn't there as a politician, but rather there to show that the government realises the seriousness of the event and that the police will get a conviction.

Here's some fotos of the funeral. I'm not gonna post photos of them doing the AWB salute though. (looks like the Nazi one, gulp!)

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6406/et2.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4545/et3n.jpg
Andre Visagie, secretary general of the AWB

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2207/et4.jpg
Bheki Cele - national police commissioner

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/486/et5.jpg

[LuKaZz]

Post pics of the goth kids^

[playtym]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2207/et4.jpg

**** me, that chick on Cele's left looks happy to be there. rofl

[Atlantic Friend]

The guys behind Visagie, they're AWB "troops" I suppose, not SANDF?

[playtym]

The guys behind Visagie, they're AWB "troops" I suppose, not SANDF?

Correct. Not a single SAPS or SANDF member in that picture - at least not in uniform, that is.

[Atlantic Friend]

That's allowed, their strutting around in paramilitary uniform? I mean, I'm sure there are some good guys among them, but it always surprises me to see people playing soldiers in broad daylight.

I see they're flying the old flag, with the ochre band. Can't blame them, I've always thought it was a damn good one.

[G-AWZT]

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I see they're flying the old flag, with the ochre band. Can't blame them, I've always thought it was a damn good one.


You mean the Dutch flag with the vertical green band? Is it supposed to be ochre?

[Rudolph]

That's allowed, their strutting around in paramilitary uniform? I mean, I'm sure there are some good guys among them, but it always surprises me to see people playing soldiers in broad daylight.

I see they're flying the old flag, with the ochre band. Can't blame them, I've always thought it was a damn good one.

Ja, to a foreigner it might seem strange, but we're pretty used to it. The thing is, members of the ANC's former military wing also comes together in uniform whenever they are angry with the government, so as long as wearing the camo is all they're doing, they look the other way.

As for the flag, I'm much happier seeing people show solidarity with the old Boer-era flags, than the apartheid-era flag!

Things are starting to calm down now, we've been having discussions about all the happenings this past week, and people are pretty like-minded. What we want now is for someone to come and "lead us", and to form a concrete plan. My vote has always been for Dan Roodt, who will in fact holding a meeting with all the Afrikaner interest groups in the week. And then we'll have a better picture of our future, but it looks like there might be some division as some have grown so tired of the ANC and their people that they don't wanna live with anyone but white South Africans... hopefully there's some middle-ground they aren't aware of.

[Atlantic Friend]

You mean the Dutch flag with the vertical green band? Is it supposed to be ochre?

No, just behind, I think I see the old pre-1994 flag with the ochre horizontal band and the smaller flags in the center of the white middle band.

[playtym]

Johannesburg - Allegations have emerged that a used condom was found in the farmhouse bedroom where AWB leader Eugene Terre'Blanche was murdered, the Star newspaper reported.

The newspaper said this has led to claims that Terre'Blanche was involved in a ****** relationship with his alleged killers, 28-year-old Chris Mahlangu and a 15-year-old boy.

Terre'blanche's body was found by detectives with his pants pulled down and his genitals exposed.

The newspaper reported that investigators placed the condom, and its content, in a crime kit, to be sent for forensic testing and will reveal the identity of Terre'Blanche's ****** partner.http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Used-condoms-found-at-ET-murder-scene-20100410


I wonder what the outcome of this will be? http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/playtym/Smileys/hmm.gif

[playtym]

I can see the old SA flag
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2330/southafricaflag1927larg.png

and the Transvaal flag in the pics
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9641/picture2007112716181530.jpg

and there may have been some Orange Free State flags there on the day
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/6565/thumbphp.jpg

[Rudolph]

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Used-condoms-found-at-ET-murder-scene-20100410


I wonder what the outcome of this will be? http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/playtym/Smileys/hmm.gif

^Guess it was tabloid reporting

Police: No condom found near ET

2010-04-10 12:44

Johannesburg - Police on Saturday denied that a used condom was found at the murder scene of AWB leader Eugene Terre'blanche.

"It is a false allegation," North West police spokesperson Captain Adele Myburgh said, responding to an earlier report in the Saturday Star.
The newspaper reported that a used condom was allegedly found in the farmhouse bedroom where Terre'blanche was murdered.

"There was no condom found on the scene of the late Mr Eugene Terre'blanche".

Myburgh said police had no intention of "misleading" anyone about any facts in the case.

"I'm prepared to put my neck in a guillotine and you can have a go at it if I have been lying." She also said she had heard reports that the post mortem report had been leaked to the media.

"That is not true. It has not even left the site." Right wing leader Terre'Blanche was murdered at his farm outside Ventersdorp a week ago.

A man, aged 28, and a teenage boy, aged 15, have been charged with four crimes including the murder.

Terre'blanche's body was found by detectives with his pants pulled down and his genitals exposed.

The Saturday Star reported that a used condom had been found on the scene of the murder by investigators and sent for forensic testing.
One of the charges made against the alleged killers during court proceedings this week was of crimen injuria.

At the time prosecutor George Baloyi explained the charge of crimen injuria as: ".... they pulled down his [Terre'Blanche's] pants to his knees and exposed his private parts".

On Saturday, Mthunzi Mhaga, the spokesperson for the National Prosecuting Authority told the newspaper no further comment would be made on the charge.

"We've said enough. And that is that (the charge) is because Mr Terre'blanche's pants were pulled down to his knees and his private parts were showing. All other evidence will be presented at the trial."

Johannesburg lawyer Zola Majavu, who represents the minor, would neither confirm nor deny to the Saturday Star the discovery of the condom on the murder site.

AWB leader Steyn van Ronge at first told the newspaper that he "can't comment" on the alleged discovery of a used condom at the scene.

Later he told the newspaper that he was not aware of the discovery of any condom.

"If evidence is presented to support that, I will make a comment," he then said.

Along with the crimen injuria charge, farmworker Mahlangu, and the minor, have been charged with murder, house breaking and robbery with aggravating circumstances and attempted robbery with aggravating circumstances.

The case was postponed to April 14. The two had not yet pleaded to the charges.


- SAPA

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Police-No-condom-found-near-ET-20100410

[Maktab]

They're cutting it pretty close to the Nazi line with this (http://www.awb.co.za/simboliek_e.htm) though.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/455/arend6581027.gif

Yep. Look, the admiration of AWB-supporters for all things Nazi is pretty well known and the uncanny resemblance of their flag and logo to the Nazi swastika is no coincidence. It follows the long line of right-wing Afrikaner groups (beginning with the Ossewabrandwag) who have idolised the Nazi regime.

Their salute is clearly Nazi-inspired and their members do not shy away from combining the AWB emblem with the Nazi swastika, as you can see in these two photos from the funeral.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118037&d=1270897806


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118036&d=1270897806


Suffice to say, while I won't hesitate to condemn his murder, I can't say I was overly saddened to see Terre'Blanche go. I just wish, as somebody else said earlier, that he had died quietly as an irrelevant nobody and not as a martyr for those who should know better. The guy was a clown, an ugly, racist and inept polemicist who could not even ride a horse properly. I felt contempt for both him and his organisation while he was alive and my views have not changed now that he has died. The support shown at his funeral was a bit sickening.

That's not to say that farm murders aren't a massive problem, that Afrikaners don't need to get their act together, that the ANC aren't a bunch of incompetent fools who wouldn't have been allowed to manage a community centre in a first world country. All this is true. But I'm pretty sure that displaying support for the AWB, waving around Nazi salutes, beating black farm workers, praising your most popular singers for writing border-line racist letters and accusing the government of intentionally murdering farmers are all not going to make things any better.

118036118037

[BLUE THOR]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118036&d=1270897806

thats a well adjusted kid down the bottom there, bringing up your kids Nazi is a beaut way to continue the circle of violence.

[Stonewall71]

Indeed the AWB had almost dissapeared from view and now Terreblanche has become a Martyr :|

I remember seeing him interviewed by Louis Theroux in a documentary


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPbExwBJiwY

[Rudolph]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118036&d=1270897806

thats a well adjusted kid down the bottom there, bringing up your kids Nazi is a beaut way to continue the circle of violence.

Since his death their membership has apparently "swelled" by 3,000 (about 0.06% of the white population). I'm guessing their membership at the day of his death was about that amount. The problem is a lot well known Afrikaners have now come out of the woodwork and used this opportunity to talk of the mistrust they have in the government, but it's not as if they're going to start hating Jewish people because they don't like the ANC. (these people haven't joined the AWB, just to be clear!)

Other than that, it's true that up till the end of the second World War Afrikaners (maybe as much as 50%) still pretty much hated the British empire. But because Germany helped us during the Boer War and so forth many simply sided with whoever was against Britain - not because they had any anti-Semitic sentiments. As you all should know South Africa and Israel was best buddies for many decades, and the late president PW Botha who was also in one of these pro-German groups during WW2, had a strong belief in the relationship between Israel and the RSA, so I don't want anyone here to conjure of images of us white South Africans hating Jewish people or anything of the sort.

I doubt that the average AWB member would even grasp the Israel issue...

[Dinges]

^Guess it was tabloid reporting



Not according to the ANC Facebook profile

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8810/ancetcropped.png


And the Facebook reference

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8642/ancfcropped.png


And if the ANC are really as committed as they say they are , would they allow such comments on Facebook , unless that is what they are thinking.

I can already see the cANCer say that this is not their official Facebook profile. Then why have they not removed it?

I wonder?

[Atlantic Friend]

Other than that, it's true that up till the end of the second World War Afrikaners (maybe as much as 50%) still pretty much hated the British empire. But because Germany helped us during the Boer War and so forth many simply sided with whoever was against Britain - not because they had any anti-Semitic sentiments.

Since you bring up the topic, and if I'm not mistaken, some prominent members of the Purified National Party did share the Nazis obsession with anti-semitism and linked Jews with the hated British Empire. But it should also be emphasized that there were statesmen and generals and officials in every country or so at the time who expressed similar sentiments, whether out of personal conviction or out of sheer opportunism, And that there were National or Purified National Party members who spoke out against them.

As fior the guys at the funeral, I hope people will remember their raisiong their arm should matter less than what they really think. There were peop;le who raised their arm and said "Heil Hitler" and still conspired to bring an end to Nazi madness, and there were people who never raised their arm and seconded the Nazis in their every move. Hopefully these people's brains are not subservient to their right arm.

[BLUE THOR]

As you all should know South Africa and Israel was best buddies for many decades, and the late president PW Botha who was also in one of these pro-German groups during WW2, had a strong belief in the relationship between Israel and the RSA, so I don't want anyone here to conjure of images of us white South Africans hating Jewish people or anything of the sort.I doubt that the average AWB member would even grasp the Israel issue...
when you look at the RSA Service Rifle and its origins, you can see the close relations between Israel and RSA. Thanks for pointing out the stats in your post mate, I was aware the AWB was a minority, but now know the figures.
my reference was to the salute. International people not knowing the history of Sth Africa will see this and make that conclusion. South Africa also has a bit of a jewish community that grew during and after the Second World War, probably outnumbering the current membership of the AWB now.

[shamE]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118036&d=1270897806

thats a well adjusted kid down the bottom there, bringing up your kids Nazi is a beaut way to continue the circle of violence.

What a disgusting sight...............

[I can't think of a name]

Never heard of Terreblanche before this. After watching that video his beliefs don't seem any more radical than some ANC people. It is just from a black perspective but same hate about getting rid of the Bore for black people.

[omghihi]

As for the flag, I'm much happier seeing people show solidarity with the old Boer-era flags, than the apartheid-era flag!

Why is the apartheid-era flag that bad? It existed 20 years before apartheid and it has whole 3 different ones on it, looks like a good compromise.

And it's pretty.

[Dwelm]

I love our old flags and newish flag just the same, but if you have the old flags people think you're a pro AWB neo Nazi. But I just love our history and I am proud of it, I don't call it the apartheid era flag, it is the Union Of South-Africa flag.

[Rudolph]

when you look at the RSA Service Rifle and its origins, you can see the close relations between Israel and RSA. Thanks for pointing out the stats in your post mate, I was aware the AWB was a minority, but now know the figures.
my reference was to the salute. International people not knowing the history of Sth Africa will see this and make that conclusion. South Africa also has a bit of a jewish community that grew during and after the Second World War, probably outnumbering the current membership of the AWB now.

I've done a lot of research on the subject and there's enough to write a book or two about it. The Jewish community was about 120,000 strong although that number has fell to between 65 - 88k since the ANC came to power. They are still one the richest Jewish communities in the world. A couple of our Nobel Prize winners were Afrikaner-Jews as-far-as-I-know. They served with the Boers during the Boer War, after coming into the country in fairly large numbers during the 19th century. A book has just been released on the subject.

My grandmother's niece was a psychologist who helped organize that Jewish orphans were brought to RSA post-WW2.

The RSA was also one of the countries that allowed their citizens to go fight in the Israel War of Independence and SAfricans helped train many of the Jewish pilots. Prime Minister Jan Smuts was also intrumental in the establishment of Israel - a couple of streets and a kibbutz is named after him.

Eventually the RSA provided 1/4 of all foreign investment in Israel during the 1980's.

When Israel finally gave in to international pressure, president PW Botha was personally offended and felt betrayed because he considered the countries true friends. Here's the letter he wrote to then Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Shamir about it, which was only released to the public years later. www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=39884 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=39884)

I think it's pretty clear from all evidence that the countries were more than mere partners because of realpolitik - both counties faced many of the same issues and they helped each other where possible.

[baboon6]

Since you bring up the topic, and if I'm not mistaken, some prominent members of the Purified National Party did share the Nazis obsession with anti-semitism and linked Jews with the hated British Empire. But it should also be emphasized that there were statesmen and generals and officials in every country or so at the time who expressed similar sentiments, whether out of personal conviction or out of sheer opportunism, And that there were National or Purified National Party members who spoke out against them.

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Absolutey true. If you look at some of the rhetoric from DF Malan and the like from the 1930s, there is quite a lot of anti-semetic stuff. They were certainly opposed to allowing any further Jewish immigration into South Africa. Of course they didn't mention this kind of thing after WW2, for obvious reasons. People like Rudolph find it convenient to forget this kind of stuff.

See this example:

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=hyLynSSahM0C&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=D+F+Malan+on+Jews&source=bl&ots=AwFLacmrS6&sig=8C1FQf7MUXgnn6SqsyOxoPOHL4c&hl=en&ei=xrnBS7G6A6akOO2JuZcE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=D%20F%20Malan%20on%20Jews&f=false

and here:

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=ajds4OF5Mo0C&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=D+F+Malan+on+Jews&source=bl&ots=qar7oLI4uL&sig=BxBSA4R9THUgj3X3erbWYt6xnrU&hl=en&ei=D7nBS9GQApSVOIis4JYE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=D%20F%20Malan%20on%20Jews&f=false

[Rudolph]

Absolutey true. If you look at some of the rhetoric from DF Malan and the like from the 1930s, there is quite a lot of anti-semetic stuff. They were certainly opposed to allowing any further Jewish immigration into South Africa. Of course they didn't mention this kind of thing after WW2, for obvious reasons. People like Rudolph find it convenient to forget this kind of stuff.

See this example:

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=hyLynSSahM0C&pg=PA149&lpg=PA149&dq=D+F+Malan+on+Jews&source=bl&ots=AwFLacmrS6&sig=8C1FQf7MUXgnn6SqsyOxoPOHL4c&hl=en&ei=xrnBS7G6A6akOO2JuZcE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=D%20F%20Malan%20on%20Jews&f=false

and here:

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=ajds4OF5Mo0C&pg=PA181&lpg=PA181&dq=D+F+Malan+on+Jews&source=bl&ots=qar7oLI4uL&sig=BxBSA4R9THUgj3X3erbWYt6xnrU&hl=en&ei=D7nBS9GQApSVOIis4JYE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=D%20F%20Malan%20on%20Jews&f=false

As Atlantic Friend mentioned, this was quite common around the world, including in the United States during the time...

[baboon6]

I'

The RSA was also one of the countries that allowed their citizens to go fight in the Israel War of Independence and SAfricans helped train many of the Jewish pilots. Prime Minister Jan Smuts was also intrumental in the establishment of Israel - a couple of streets and a kibbutz is named after him.





Yes he was one of the authors of the Balfour Declaration.

[baboon6]

As Atlantic Friend mentioned, this was quite common around the world, including in the United States during the time...

From which national leaders in the US was this stuff heard? From which future presidents? It would seem to me this kind of thinking was more mainstream in white South Africa than in the US at the time.

[Rudolph]

From which national leaders in the US was this stuff heard? From which future presidents? It would seem to me this kind of thinking was more mainstream in white South Africa than in the US at the time.

Oh, I'm not referring to anything specifically mentioned in your links, but it's my understanding that anti-Semitism wasn't exactly rare before WW2...

[Maktab]

It was certainly more widespread in the US before WWII than it was in later years, but from what I've seen it does not appear to have been quite as widespread and virulent as it was amongst many very prominent Afrikaner nationalists during the same period. From personal experience with some of the more extremist Afrikaners I have met, they're not exactly well disposed towards Jews even now. The AWB obviously never was; Terre'Blanche used to explicitly denounce Jews and on more than one occasion the AWB burned and stomped on Israeli flags in public demonstrations.

This is not to say that all Afrikaners are Nazi-loving ant-Semites; because that's very far from the truth. The AWB and their supporters represent a fringe minority amongst Afrikaners in South Africa. But we'd do well to remember exactly what an abhorrent organisation the AWB is and the Afrikaner community needs to be very careful to avoid being seen to legitimise the AWB's message just because they're upset about what happened and the current state of things.

A number are coming dangerously close. For instance, I have listened to a number of young Afrikaners who have tried to express their anger at this by asking how black South Africans would feel if it was Mandela who was murdered that way. I don't think I need to point out what signal it sends when somebody sees nothing wrong with trying to equate Terre'Blanche with Mandela. It definitely displays a scary level of ignorance.

[Dinges]

This is not to say that all Afrikaners are Nazi-loving ant-Semites; because that's very far from the truth. The AWB and their supporters represent a fringe minority amongst Afrikaners in South Africa. But we'd do well to remember exactly what an abhorrent organisation the AWB is and the Afrikaner community needs to be very careful to avoid being seen to legitimise the AWB's message just because they're upset about what happened and the current state of things.

A number are coming dangerously close. For instance, I have listened to a number of young Afrikaners who have tried to express their anger at this by asking how black South Africans would feel if it was Mandela who was murdered that way. I don't think I need to point out what signal it sends when somebody sees nothing wrong with trying to equate Terre'Blanche with Mandela. It definitely displays a scary level of ignorance.

The first bold I believe is an understatement. I am Afrikaans and I can not like 'em at all.

The second bold just is the truth , and I hate it.

[playtym]

The whole *** scandal side of this thing isn't dying quietly.


Shocking claims about ET
2010-04-11 08:20

Johannesburg – Police have confirmed that they are investigating the possibility that the murder of AWB leader Eugène Terre’Blanche was related to ***.

Lieutenant General Jan Mabula on Saturday said it was part of the investigation. “Yes, we are looking at this. We are looking at everything that is being alleged. We have also confiscated the clothing of the two accused.

But police have denied allegations that a condom was found on the scene. “100% no, no no,” said provincial police spokesperson captain Adéle Myburgh.

Mabula said he was on the scene of the crime shortly after the murder and saw no condoms. There was also no mention of the condom in a police report.http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Shocking-claims-about-ET-20100411



ET 'made homo****** advances'
2010-04-11 14:23

Johannesburg -Two South African farm workers accused of murdering supremacist Eugene Terre'Blanche are to argue they acted in self defence after he made homo****** advances, a report said on Sunday.
"My instructions from my client are that there was some sodomy going on and it sparked the murder of Mr Terre'Blanche," one of the workers' lawyers, Puna Moroko, told the Sunday Times.
"This is going to form part of our defence during trial," the lawyer said, adding that Terre'Blanche tried to have *** "with one or both" of the workers.
Terre'Blanche, who headed the Afrikaner Resistance Movement (AWB), was beaten and stabbed to death at his farm on April 3. Two of his farm workers, aged 28 and 15, have been charged with the killing.
'Something shocking happened'

The prosecutor has said that Terre'Blanche was found dead in his bed with his trousers around his knees.
The two workers waited for police to arrive at the farm, with the motive for the killing previously being reported as a dispute over unpaid wages.
Moroko, representing the older defendant, said that Terre'Blanche had plied both workers with alcohol, while the minor's lawyer said simply that "something shocking happened" that day.
"I have consulted with my client and I am satisfied that something shocking happened on that day," Zola Majavu told the Sunday Times. "I will disclose fully what my client told me happened during trial."
Majavu said his client "has undergone all the necessary tests that I need to prove his case."http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/ET-made-homo******-advances-20100411


I wonder when "the necessary tests" where done? I'm guessing that if anything was stuck up his arse it probably happened in the cells after his arrest. Maybe it was before and after, who knows? Could a medical examiner even tell if it was before or after his arrest? :-|

[wilhelm]

"Yes, Your Honour. I machetted his head in because he owed me 300 Rand and he's a racist ..... just a sec, my lawyer wants to confer with me......

..................sorry your Honour, I would like to change my defence to the fact that he tried to rape me."


Yawn. Worms wriggling on the hook. I was waiting for this sort of thing once the lawyers had time with the accused. Utterly predictable.

[playtym]

"Yes, Your Honour. I machetted his head in because he owed me 300 Rand and he's a racist ..... just a sec, my lawyer wants to confer with me......

..................sorry your Honour, I would like to change my defence to the fact that he tried to rape me."

Ja, that was exactly the impression I got based on the everything surrounding the supposed condom has unfolded.


I bet the blokes in the cells just loved getting to spend some quality time with the "minor who cannot be named" - now his lawyer's trying to turn that into evidence of a ****** relationship with ET, and use it as a defence.

[wilhelm]

The lawyer for the other accused has said this morning he knows nothing any of this.


Zola Majavu, the lawyer for one of the murder accused, denied any knowledge of a condom. "I don't know where that story of the condom came from. I was not aware of anything like that."You'd think the lawyers of the two accused would talk so they could actually get their lies "straight".;-)

Certainly, the one who has just changed his defence story, obviously on advice from his lawyer, will probably be an expert on sodomy in the near future.

[Rudolph]

I can only imagine what the overseas newspapers are doing with the fotos of the AWB members giving Nazi salutes, and then accusing the guy of liking to sodomize black minors! OMG! Hahaha!

[BLUE THOR]

I can only imagine what the overseas newspapers are doing with the fotos of the AWB members giving Nazi salutes, and then accusing the guy of liking to sodomize black minors! OMG! Hahaha!
I reckoned the small writing sums it up.

http://www.teachwithmovies.org/guides/gods-must-be-crazy-ii-DVDcover.jpg

[playtym]

Confirmation of what we believed all along.


Initial reports indicated the killing had been sparked by a wage dispute. Police have since said they are also investigating the possibility that it was a *** crime, after Mahlangu's lawyer said his client claimed that Terre'Blanche had tried to sodomise him.

But the lawyer, Puna Moroko, backtracked on that version of events on Wednesday, saying he no longer planned to pursue it as a defence.

"That one we have abandoned. That one, when I consulted with him [Mahlangu], it didn't make sense to me," he said after Wednesday's hearing.

"There is no politics involved," Moroko said. "Terre'blanche attacked his employees and they retaliated."

The lawyer for the 15-year-old said his client had not indicated the murder was ******ly related.

"I have no personal knowledge of those reports. I don't know where that report comes from, but certainly not from me nor from my client," Zola Majavu said.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-04-15-lawyer-backtracks-on-***-claims-in-terreblanche-case

[wilhelm]

Like I said, it was utterly predictable.;-)

It doesn't look like anything coming out of their mouths is to be trusted. Which was the point I was trying to make to another poster earlier in the thread.