Sweden: Muslim community fears violence after attack on elderly couple

[tea drinker]

An elderly couple was attacked last Monday when trying to park their car in the Swedish town of Landskrona.

The couple were trying to park, but another car was in their way. They honked and parked. But the young man (23) in the other car rolled down his window and asked why they honked. An altercation started. The young man became so upset, he threw the car door on the 71 year old man, Sven, who fell down. The young man then started beating the 71 year old.

The older man's 78 year old wife, Inger, tried to intervene, but was punched in the face and fainted.

The younger man fled in his car. The elderly couple were brought to the hospital. The 71 year was in shock and had injuries to his face and back. The 78 year old was brought to the hospital with life-threatening injuries. She died of her injuries Wednesday.
The 23 year old suspect is married and has a newborn daughter. He's the youngest of three brothers, and all three are involved in the investigation. The oldest (39), owns the car while the younger one (36) admits he was present during the attack. The police say they have several witnesses and at least 20 people who say the suspect was the murderer.

The suspect is described by his former school friends as shy and quiet. "He was calm and composed and a good student," said one of them.

Another suspect was recently arrested and charged with aiding and abetting the murder. The new suspect (25) is, according to the police, in the 23 year old's 'circle of friends and relatives'.

Four Islamic and Arab associations called for a press conference in order to calm the unrest in Landskrona after the fatal beating of Inger, 78. Though the associations call it an accident, while the police classifies it as a murder.

"We are waiting and respect what comes from the police investigation. Right now we have this response," said Said Hadrous, head of Islamic group 194 in Landskrona.
"We have a feeling that there's an agenda of a certain party which, unfortunately, wants to exploit this situation to their advantage," said Said Hadrous.
The four associations condemned the murder. "With all respect, we share the grief of the woman's family and relatives," said Bassam Ahmad, spokesperson for Group 194.
The associations treat the murder very seriously, but also warn the incident can "cause xenophobia in our society".
They stress Landskorna should be united.
"This incident makes us all stand united to fight, resist and deal with issues that are causing insecurity, regardless of ethnicity or religion, in order to protect society and keep it safe from epidemics, crime, abuse and misuse, which adversely affect the structure in our multi-ethnic and multicultural society," he said.
"We want all threats to cease and that people shouldn't generalize."
"We thought that it [the press conference] was necessary since there are such restless feelings in the city now. We call for calm, waiting for what the police investigation will show," says Bassam Ahmad.
Group 194 participated in the Church demonstration.
"I think it's important that everybody will know that we Arab and Muslim association in the city reject violence and the behavior that caused this woman's death. We think we have this responsibility since we are part of society," said Bassam Ahmad.

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The family of the 23 year old confirms the incident, but they say it was an accident.
The suspect's two brothers, who had both been interrogated, were at the press conference. The suspect's 36 year old brother read a statement from the family. He said the family shared their condolences with the family of the deceased Inger (78), but also said: "We are very worn out and do not feel good at all, our children have been badly affected and scared. The accident caused us enormous grief in our lives."
The family says they've received death threats after the suspect's identity was published online, and one of the brothers said he doesn't dare let his children go to school. The suspect's wife got a call from someone saying they'll kill her children.
The 36 year old brother said his wife and children have left Landskrona. They can't sleep but are terrified and do not feel good at all. They see all the police who came in to the apartment to arrest their father.
The 36 year old told about the interrogation in detail. But they refused to answer questions about the fatal beating in the car park.
"We know nothing about this," the 39 year old said.
According to the suspect's lawyer, the suspect denies everything. His lawyer also said that the suspect was threatened by phone and by internet, that those threats have racist characteristics and that he's taken it up the issue of his protection with the police.

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Ferki Hamad, an imam in Landskrona, has known the family for several years.
"Their situation is very complicated. They've got phone calls all night yesterday and the day before. Those who call say 'we will kill your children'" he says.
He thinks the police should take the threats seriously and compares the situation with a case where a rape suspect boy and his family recieved police protection after they were threatened.
"In Landskorna it's about somebody who died. This is bigger. I think that the police need to take greater responsibility for the family."
Ferki Hamad was very surprised when he heard of the suspicions against the 23 year old, whom he describes as quiet and well-behaved.
"If he's guilty we won't say that he's innocent. Then he must pay for what he's done. But it's the court which decides."
He condemns what happens but emphasizes that it's not something that should polarize people who live in Landskrona.
"We are mourning with Inger's family and hope that such things never happen again. But we must work together to protect society from violence, otherwise integration is harmed. Everybody loses by this."

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Police detective Tommy Lindén says that the family is safe in Landskorna and that from his experience, they're playing the victim card in order to give them a better negotiating position. The police have mobilized in Landskrona to meet the increased risk of violence. For those who still feel insecure, but do not have the financial means to leave town, the municipality is ready to help.

No wonder so many Swedes I talk to regret the naivety of their multicultural Sweden.
What idiot starts a fight with a 70 year old and kills a 78 year old?
Even if they are in the wrong they are old, and deserve our repsect even if they act a bit dumb sometimes.

Edit: Link added. I done a quick search of the interwebs to find an article on this after being told about it on Friday by a Swedish colleague. This is the first relevant link I found.
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2010/04/sweden-muslim-community-fears-violence.html

[Leaper]

Send him back home. Cuz this is not his home

[Mu-Meson]

The title of this article pisses me off. Here where have an actual case of violence (and murder) committed by a member of the "Muslim community", and the article bends over backwards to make it sound like they are the victims. It's just like when there is some kind of terrorist attack/honor killing/genocide chanting mob, the media comes out with articles all afraid of a possible backlash. They downplay actual, real violence committed by a muslim, in favor of potential, hypothetical violence committed against a muslim.
Wouldn't a more accurate title be: "Elderly Swedes fear violence after attack on elderly couple"?

I forget who come up with it, but it reminds me of a parody of newspaper headline: "Islamic community fears backlash after tomorrows suicide bombing".

[Snoshi]

Well.. Not suprisengly the Swedish leftist media is trying to spin the story that way that it looks like the teenager is the victim. They report the news that the family got death threats etc. And whats funny is that everyone is trying to blame the right-wing Sverige Demokraterna party.

[muck]

Another case of cultural enrichment, as it was promised by our governments for so many years.

What a sick bastard would commit such an act of violence.

[Leaper]

The dude actually claims he didnt do it people

[Dercius]

The dude actually claims he didnt do it people

"The police say they have several witnesses and at least 20 people who say the suspect was the murderer."

I suppose that makes his statement pure BS

[LineDoggie]

The dude actually claims he didnt do it people
So he joins every single guy in Prison, world wide


No one ever did it, the lawyer fcuked them.


The police say they have several witnesses and at least 20 people who say the suspect was the murderer.

Brave man, beat a 78 year old to death after beating a 71 year old

[Leaper]

Please cancel your cable TV

[LineDoggie]

Please cancel your cable TV
As soon as you put your Burhka on......

[Fifth Business]

I don't like fox news but there is no other non Liberal media out there. MSNBC is like the White house spokesman. CBC is lefty, CNN well thats brainwashing with moments of clarity, I guess BBC is where it's at. That article is horrible, trying to defend the poor misunderstood senior killer. I hope some Irate descended Viking... well let's no go there I might get an infraction.

[vinny_121_ND]

I think it goes right to the point where, what happened just prior to the escalation to violence? What did the 71 year old say?

[0rphie]

I think it goes right to the point where, what happened just prior to the escalation to violence? What did the 71 year old say?
No matter what he had said before the beating. No words can justify the murder. I am just wondering how deep is Swedish tolerance

[vinny_121_ND]

No matter what he had said before the beating. No words can justify the murder. I am just wondering how deep is Swedish tolerance

It wasn't premeditated murder. I'm not supporting his actions whatsover. Swedish tolerance, tolerance to what?

[0rphie]

It wasn't premeditated murder. is that the best defense you can come up with? "I did not want to kill him, He made me do it, not my fault"

[ahab]

They should take this worthless excuse for a human being and put a bullet in his brain. How are you gonna go and do that to two elderly people?

[vinny_121_ND]

I'm not emotional here. He'll be charged with second degree murder which means a lesser sentence. Stop being emotional when I'm just stating facts.

[G-AWZT]

Unbelievable.......................no wait believable. Everyone's gotta bend over backwards to please a certain segment of the local population.

My condolences to the elderly victims. My eternal damnation to the insolent swine and those who did nothing to stop this.

[Uglymug]

I'm not emotional here. He'll be charged with second degree murder which means a lesser sentence. Stop being emotional when I'm just stating facts.

Stating facts, or repeating what the other guy said? He clearly implied that it wasn't premeditated murder, you just quoted him and said the same thing. He just added that no matter what the elderly couple said, it doesn't justify the murder. Hardly debatable, imo.

[RuneX2]

The murder was repeatedly described as an “accident”. It might well not have been premeditated, but you don’t accidentally throw a punch in a 78 woman’s face.

"Though the associations call it an accident, while the police classifies it as a murder."

"The family of the 23 year old confirms the incident, but they say it was an accident."

"The accident caused us enormous grief in our lives"

- You brutally murder an old woman and go about stressing all the grief this has caused you.

[Lokos]

I'm not sure how things stand under the civil law system, but under the common law punching someone in the face and them dying from it is not automatically considered to be first degree murder. It would most likely be classified as 'manslaughter' (constructive manslaughter, in this case). Murder, legally speaking, requires both actus reus and mens rea. The action and the intent behind it. In this case, the court will have to decide what the intent behind the action was. Though any attack on an individual is outrageous (and especially so with regard to the elderly), I'm not sure if I could label it 'murder', outright. There was a similar case in Australia not long ago, when a club bouncer punched a famous retired cricketer in the face, which caused him to suffer cardiac arrest and subsequently expire.

Amidst a great deal of media scrutiny, the outcome of the case was punitive, but the verdict was not 'guilty of first degree murder'.

L.

[Dr_ColoSSus]

According to the suspect's lawyer, the suspect denies everything. His lawyer also said that the suspect was threatened by phone and by internet, that those threats have racist characteristics and that he's taken it up the issue of his protection with the police.

WTF? Cry me a river? This 'tough guy' beats an old woman to death , yet starts crying because someone merely threatened him and he is portrayed as the victim? What a pussy.

[Fredas]

Swedish media has a tendency to blame everyone else but the accused, especially society, for the deed. Keep in mind that what ever time he is sentenced, he will be out again within two thirds of the actual sentence.

[Sumadinac]

I want to remind to everyone that all criminals are not muslims, italians are involved in mafia, chinese in illegal working, eastern europeans in prostitution, etc...

:)

[KSP-spec]

I am just wondering how deep is Swedish tolerance

Apparently not as deep as it used to be. The right-wing Sverige Demokraterna(Sweden Democrats) is the 4th largest party in sweden according to the latest opinion poll.

[tea drinker]

It's not entirely unexpected that it you punch a 78 year old woman - they will die.
Oh yeah, in my book that's murder, but lets see how the cops and legal team see it. Guy should be executed.
And still they are wailing about being victims, makes me sick

[Leaper]

Swedish media has a tendency to blame everyone else but the accused, especially society, for the deed. Keep in mind that what ever time he is sentenced, he will be out again within two thirds of the actual sentence.

Not if he get's life, nobody has ever got out after that.

I pray to god that he get's life. He will be very welcome among the other guys in jail. There's somethings you just don't do, and beating old people is ont of them. **** him up

[pocoloco]

Not if he get's life, nobody has ever got out after that.

I pray to god that he get's life. He will be very welcome among the other guys in jail. There's somethings you just don't do, and beating old people is ont of them. **** him up

So in Sweden life sentence is really for life? Here, in your barbaric eastern neighbour it's just basicly 12 years and then the criminal can ask for presidential parole (or what ever) and quite (read: too) often they receive it.

[Leaper]

Alot of guys get 12 years to life, and get out after 6-12 years, but those who get's life get's life. They have to send a letter of mercy to the king to get free. Nobody has ever been given any mercy.


This is the first time it feels good to have guarded the Royal Palace. Thank you Mr. Psycho Arab freak

[Steak-Sauce]

This news makes me really angry.

It was just an "accident", yes? Well then, I hope this fvcker accidentaly burns to death.

[armored_diplomacy]

Wheter you´re a muslim, a christian or a martian; stepping out of your car and beating to death a couple of 71 / 78 y.o. seniors (even if they were wrong) who represented no threath to you can hardly be described as an "accident".
A wish him a fair trial (with a chance of defence that none of the seniors had), and if found guilty, a long stance at jail.
Keep the "I m a victim ´cause of my race/religion" BS away from this.

[silentpartner]

They have to send a letter of mercy to the king to get free. Nobody has ever been given any mercy.

Do you really think that is how it works?

[Gentius]

Since when did crimes in Sweden became religious-related?

[Leaper]

That's what they told me, so yeah. Why?

[silentpartner]

Well, whoever told you that doesn't have a clue. You should get your money back.

[Atlantic Friend]

I can understand the fear of those who have NOT done anything and might now feel threatened by "tough guys" wanting to play vigilantes - there have always been brave volunteers to threaten or attack the innocent, in any culture, at any time of History.

The perpetrator on the other hand will I hope face a long (and harsh) time in jail if it is confirmed that he gratuitously attacked that elderly couple.

[Leaper]

Then tell me how it works bro

[silentpartner]

Then tell me how it works bro

Use your GoogleFu, bro.

Search words: Nådeansökan livstid mord. (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweden.gov.se%2Fsb%2Fd%2F2296%2Fa%2F51808)

(http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweden.gov.se%2Fsb%2Fd%2F2296%2Fa%2F51808)

[Leaper]

So it's the goverment. Maybe they ment that is was the king in the old days

[Cyclonite]

Disgusting. Hopefully Sweden starts to tighten up her borders to a slightly greater degree, and send repetitive felons back where they came from. And I'm not basing my stand on this single, or a couple other incidents like this - news like these are plentiful these days. Given the relatively large proportion of immigrants with adaptation problems already over there, the country will be in deep trouble once the Swedes finally harden up and say enough is enough.

Hopefully didn't sound like a prejudiced racist douchebag 'cos I'm all for sensible immigration for humanitarian causes and supplementing labor. Just thinking about the ever increasing chances of some gutless fck like this doing something like that, especially to your close ones, makes one's blood boil. I could easily imagine finding myself in the position of judge, jury and executioner all at the same time.

As for the legal aspect, I'm afraid this would rather fall under manslaughter than murder.. :-| Not sure if the assaults will be seen to have been carried out with extraordinary brutality or cruelty, and even then, how easily or often do people actually get life sentences in Sweden?

[hsh2]

The title of this article pisses me off. Here where have an actual case of violence (and murder) committed by a member of the "Muslim community", and the article bends over backwards to make it sound like they are the victims. It's just like when there is some kind of terrorist attack/honor killing/genocide chanting mob, the media comes out with articles all afraid of a possible backlash. They downplay actual, real violence committed by a muslim, in favor of potential, hypothetical violence committed against a muslim.
Wouldn't a more accurate title be: "Elderly Swedes fear violence after attack on elderly couple"?

I forget who come up with it, but it reminds me of a parody of newspaper headline: "Islamic community fears backlash after tomorrows suicide bombing".

I had the exact same initial thought as well. Before I clicked on the link I thought "An elderly Muslim couple has been attacked ?".

The title is indeed a huge misrepresentation. Nevermind that it wasn't just an "attack", a victim died afterall, hardly a detail.

RIP to the victim and I hope for the best for her husband. Must be terrible to lose somebody at that age, after decades of marriage and in these circumstances (probably even more so for the husband than the wife)...

Really disgusting story.

[Mr.K]

Try hitting a senior citizen in Middle East, the mob will lynch faster than you can say can say "mommy".

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Wheter you´re a muslim, a christian or a martian; stepping out of your car and beating to death a couple of 71 / 78 y.o. seniors (even if they were wrong) who represented no threath to you can hardly be described as an "accident".
A wish him a fair trial (with a chance of defence that none of the seniors had), and if found guilty, a long stance at jail.
Keep the "I m a victim ´cause of my race/religion" BS away from this.And now imagine the rage if a young Swede beat a 78 year old Muslim to death. It'd be autmatically considered a race crime, even if was also just an "accident".

[haze99]

So has Sweden slowed it's immigration, as to "assemilate" all the folks you've taken in? Or are the doors still wide-open to any and every yahoo?

[PEMM]

Ehm, what?

Youth from this community that has been given asylum and safe place to live away from war, goes and kills their elder, and only thing this community can do is back up their own asses? Instead of the humane thing to do, which would be apologizing for the incident and assuring thei will raise their offsprings better in future?

Im quite full of their BS. (What i mean of course is their attitude)

[Lokos]

A lot of the posts in this thread are of the 'we're getting fed up with all this/the straw that broke the camel's back' variety. I advise against this attitude. The young people in question committed a grave crime against an especially vulnerable class of persons. They should be punished for that crime. They should not, however, be punished for the crimes (real and perceived) of their compatriots. If a court of law is to 'throw the book' at these individuals, it must do so on the merits of the case against them. Not as an exemplary punishment for their community as a whole. This is the rule of law - one of the cornerstones of the civic state.

L.

[PEMM]

Well sure, but you would still except a little bit different attitude from them.

[tea drinker]

A lot of the posts in this thread are of the 'we're getting fed up with all this/the straw that broke the camel's back' variety. I advise against this attitude. The young people in question committed a grave crime against an especially vulnerable class of persons.
L.
Maybe so, but the posts seem to reflect the opinion of practically all the Swedes I know. At some point even the Swedes say enough is enough

To my mind there are two issues
People are tired of this obsession with being the victim among some of the immigrant groups.
The inability of the state to protect it's citizens

No unsurprisingly there is something of a backlash against the naive policies which enabled this problem to surprise

[Lokos]

From whom? The community of the accused?

I think this is pretty straightforward:


The four associations condemned the murder. "With all respect, we share the grief of the woman's family and relatives," said Bassam Ahmad, spokesperson for Group 194.

Unless the community itself should bear the blame for the actions of this individual, an expression of sympathy is the most one should expect, no? Why would the community group go a step further by apologizing? Does it bear moral or legal responsibility for the reckless actions of this individual? In my view, hardly. I understand that you're offended by their self-interested concern regarding the 'xenophobia'/'right wing' angle. But you must understand that these groups were formed for that very purpose... That is, to protect the interests of the communities they represent. This is an emotional topic, naturally. And it gets to me, too. But our society functions the way it does because it has made it a point to keep justice blind. The rule of law applies to everyone equally, Muslim and Christian.

This individual has taken a life, and ruined several others - including his own. The punishment will fit the crime, rest assured.


but the posts seem to reflect the opinion of practically all the Swedes I know. At some point even the Swedes say enough is enough

The societal issue in question should be differentiated from this very specific legal case. The justice meted out will reflect the crime, not the social problems that crime is symptomatic of.

L.

[phasio]

I can only I hope he gets a severe punishment. And damn, how dare they speak of threats...

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2635/3553591097.jpg

[Grenkomp GRK]

"muslim community fears.....", thats swedish media for you....and what about when the swedish people fear the violence from the muslim community then, not gonna write about that aswell pr? Oh yeah im sorry what was I thinking, that is being racist...well atleast here in Sweden.




This individual has taken a life, and ruined several others - including his own. The punishment will fit the crime, rest assured.

This is Sweden, get real....no it wont fit the crime.

[Krkan]

Disgusting. Hopefully Sweden starts to tighten up her borders to a slightly greater degree, and send repetitive felons back where they came from.


http://i43.tinypic.com/iftmwo.jpg
110011001100

[matthew.manhorn]

I think the Islamic association should've kept their mouth shut, they just seem to make this issue more of a racial one.

People could care less whether the attacker is Muslim or not.

[Lokos]

This is Sweden, get real....no it wont fit the crime.

... It will in the eyes of the law.

L.

[IconOfEvi]

He did it because his ancestor was this guy:

http://images.elfwood.com/art/s/a/samu/viking.jpg

[Mastermind]

Road rage....a young Muslim attacks, an old Swedish couple, death....and then....Muslims are in fear?

If this is all it takes to make Muslims live in fear...just think how fearful the Muslims living in in Spain, the USA, Britain, France, The Netherlands, Italy, the Balkans, Russia must be.

No...I think it is a ruse...Muslims don't fear anything....they have their Islam and their Allah....what's for them to fear?

[G-AWZT]

....they have their Islam and their Allah....what's for them to fear?



That they won't get a chance to martyr themselves in some silly insipid dumb jerkoff "jihad".

[Tyon]

Four Islamic and Arab associations called for a press conference in order to calm the unrest in Landskrona after the fatal beating of Inger, 78. Though the associations call it an accident,

Send them also home wherever they came from. I doubt they would say that there if some guy would beat up an elderly couple and killing one of them. I really doubt it.

[G-AWZT]

Send them also home wherever they came from. I doubt they would say that there if some guy would beat up an elderly couple and killing one of them. I really doubt it.

Imagine the crap storm if a white Christian guy beat and murdered an elderly muslim couple to death in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, or Pakistan.

[IconOfEvi]

Guys...look up the phrase taqiyya sometime. It will make everything clear all of asudden

[pocoloco]

Taqiyya in use by whom here? You mean the perp, the Muslim community or the four Muslim organisations?

[Sumadinac]

Imagine the crap storm if a white Christian guy beat and murdered an elderly muslim couple to death in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, or Pakistan.

Damn, I really don't even mind..

Probably embassies and consulates burned down, giant jihadist rallies in the streets, and a little speach of ben laden on al jazeera :)

[hulaku]

Imagine the crap storm if a white Christian guy beat and murdered an elderly muslim couple to death in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, or Pakistan.

Where is the Rage Boy pic when you need it?:)

[Steak-Sauce]

Imagine the crap storm if a white Christian guy beat and murdered an elderly muslim couple to death in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, or Pakistan.

Hm? No need to do it in these countries. I remember the murder of a Muslim woman in a German court in Dresden. Muslim people abroad went bat**** crazy, especially in Egypt and Iran.

[orange]

Not if he get's life, nobody has ever got out after that.

I pray to god that he get's life. He will be very welcome among the other guys in jail. There's somethings you just don't do, and beating old people is ont of them. **** him up
Where've you been?

But you're right in part. Noone that has been sentenced to life in jail has ever gotten out. But the courts have later on decided to put a time limit on the punishment therefor making the life sentence a sentence to a certain time in jail. It is pretty common that inmates that are in for life actually get out after around 15-25 year.

[vinny_121_ND]

Imagine the crap storm if a white Christian guy beat and murdered an elderly muslim couple to death in Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, or Pakistan.

This is what happens every time a air strike unintentionally kills civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[tea drinker]

This is what happens every time a air strike unintentionally kills civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Or when someone draws a cartoon :roll:
What's Iraq got to do with some "header" attacking an old pair in neutral Sweden of all places?
And why are US and it's allies there? Because of some intentional killing of civilians in US, UK, Spain. We can go on like this forever, but while we talk about this guy, I see no justification for his or his communities behaviour. At least if he was in Saudi they would know how to deal with him, instead of the community playing the race card doubled up with a victim flush.

[Loke2]

The police believe that the beating death of Landskrona is resolved. Just a routine action remains to spin the web of evidence strong enough to hold a trial. Lunds categorizes the evidence and heavy on Tuesday arrested a 23-year-old man.

1Mannen not arrested for murder, but aggravated assault and aggravated manslaughter. What does that say?

The police first took in so much it was to get the maximum resources and rapid progress in the investigation.

- Murder is a crime so serious that it gives us the right to take certain actions - such as checking the phone records, "said police intelligence leader Tommy Linden.

2 What has it meant?

- The man accused of murder from the beginning has contributed to the storm of hatred that struck the family, "says 23-year-old lawyer Mr. Jansson.

He believes that the police knew that murder is not stolen and was deeply critical.

Tommy Linden says that the police should only seek to establish as clear a picture as possible.

3 What is the evidence?

Witness information linking 23-year-old to the scene of the crime.

Surveillance photos. Not sure from the site of the fatal beatings. Images can tie the man to the car that was current, or to the neighborhood, which is combined with witness statements.

Phone Controls - positioning of where the phones were in, in order to verify information provided.

4 What happened in the parking lot?

The dead woman and her husband got in his car to Hemköp. They took a view of a typical parking space - not a handicap box, as there was information on. But the couple did better turning radius and, therefore, chimed in the red car. If there was then no exchange of words or between those involved in the beatings do not want the police to say yet.

- Can we just move forward in peace and quiet, I can promise one hundred per cent clarification of the events, "says Tommy Linden.

5 23-year-old is a citizen of Lebanon, which näthatarna pressed. What is the impact origin?

None at all, according to police.

- You should rather bring a gender perspective on this than an ethnic perspective, "says Tommy Linden. Male behavior. If there had been a woman in the car and someone had tutat on her so it would probably not end this way.

The head of police in the Northwest Skane, Thomas Nilsson, put it this way:

- This could have occurred in the larger parking lot at any time in Sweden. It is not specific to Landskrona.

The head of the local police in Landskrona Mats Karlsson:

- What a person said or done can not condemn an entire group of people. Agitation associated with the crime itself - that an old and defenseless man suffered.

6 A hate campaign conducted against 23-year-old on the internet - what happened there?

The family made a police report concerning defamation on various websites. No direct threats against them have been known to the police. Already last week, before the 23-year-old arrested, the police had contact with Landskrona municipality to prepare protection and assistance for the family. They have not so far asked for help, according to police forces.

7 What happens now?

The prosecution is expected to be completed in two to three weeks, then follow the proceedings. 23-year-old should go through a little mental examination before it to find any indications that he is not responsible for their actions.
http://sydsvenskan.se/sverige/article644415/23-aring-haktad---men-inte-for-mord.html

So it seems they used the "murder" charge to get resources to resolve this quickly?

[MkH]

That was only a minor bump on the path to the ultimate cultural enrichment. A solitary case; no need to get worried, people.

[jaegermeistr]

a 23 y/o immigrant who kills a 78 y/o woman will not have a nice vacation in jail whenever he gets there.

[Rittmester]

This article reflects the disarray and bewildernes of the Swedish social identity and the main society's relation towards a less than tolerant immigrant population. The article's main focus is the loud and clear undertone of the "we must not generalize", "all immigrants are not this bad", "we must look past this incident and only relate to the greater good of standing together while facing an assured, brighter future [with an ever-growing immigrant population]".

Well, less pissed of now by expressing this. The Northern European humanitarian and ultra liberal stand on immigration is an assured nose plow for the coming generations - who are to deal with the wishful thinking and thereby acts of the '68 generation.

[BMUS]

a 23 y/o immigrant who kills a 78 y/o woman will not have a nice vacation in jail whenever he gets there.
Hear hear.

This guy is going for a tought ride. Swedish jails are pretty harmless compared to American ones, but there are a few things that are a big no-no there still, 'snitching', raping and - surprise surprise - hitting women. Killing an elderly woman is going to make this guy pariah, I'd be surprised if he won't get to a 'protected' facility.

Hopefully he wont and the scum-bags in in jail make short work of him.

[pacifist]

It's a manslaughter, not a murder.

[ggk]

Guys...look up the phrase taqiyya sometime. It will make everything clear all of asudden

what about it? the attacker a shia?


Imagine the crap hurricane if create a thread about juice in everywhere.

wheres the rage boy when i need it

[1911-a1]

I'd be surprised if he won't get to a 'protected' facility.


Yeah, this cocksucker is most likely gonna... "sitta som en fitta". It's gonna be hard to get to him that way, unless some corrupt kriminal"vårdare" decides to accidentally forget to lock a few doors or something.

[Sumadinac]

wheres the rage boy when i need it

Not very far from the man who is not able to question the behavior of his co-religionists throughout the world.

[Sumadinac]

That was only a minor bump on the path to the ultimate cultural enrichment. A solitary case; no need to get worried, people.

Hey, cultural enrichment need some sacrifices!

[ggk]

Not very far from the man who is not able to question the behavior of his co-religionists throughout the world.

i actually answered every single one of them .. but as usual after i answer all question the small man will just switch on the denial mode and ignore it.

[Curtis E. Bear]

I don't like fox news but there is no other non Liberal media out there. MSNBC is like the White house spokesman. CBC is lefty, CNN well thats brainwashing with moments of clarity, I guess BBC is where it's at. That article is horrible, trying to defend the poor misunderstood senior killer. I hope some Irate descended Viking... well let's no go there I might get an infraction.


Yup. Complaining about the political bais of US media outlets when this story was reported in SWEDEN makes a whole lot of sense. You're a smart guy. Insightful comment.

[IconOfEvi]

They should stick them in some of our federal prisons, or hardcore state ones. Hopefully, they'd be dead in their first year

[Curtis E. Bear]

They should stick them in some of our federal prisons, or hardcore state ones. Hopefully, they'd be dead in their first year

Another great comment right here. All criminals throughout the world should be jailed in US prisons because they are the hardest and toughest and meanest in the world.

[BMUS]

Damn Curtis, you're on a roll. :D