Riding shotgun in an ambush.

[wormie]

http://freecache.org/http://www.whiskeytangofoxtrot.net/hosted/ambush.wmv
My guess is those are blackwater guys following humvees to a base? It looks like an SUV style hood not a humvee so... I dunno. You guys will correct me if im wrong. :D

[Tengu]

holy **** thats intense

[wormie]

Yea, those explosions didnt seem to be as big as other IEDs... Insurgent's running outta explosives? :roll:

[Deuterium]

Ah scenic Iraq.

[Herrmannek]

Did I heard "mortar rounds"? explosion looks like "grenade" size explosives, and I'm curious what happened at the end of movie.. if that humvie(not humvie iaqi truck) hit next truck or not... Also to whom they are shooting.. if those guys follow them or just to push people of the road with gunfight sounds?

[ZoneOne]

if you go abck and search for a post called AWESOME VIDEO's it gives you a video of SF with music

ON THAT SITE -- it has video's on Insurgents not knowing how to handle an RPK, taking too long to fire an RPG and getting ripped apart by probably 20-25 5.56

and also -- you get to see a humvee hit by an IED

I must tell you in that video the IED looks like a freaking missile hit -- it was a big explosion and it really lets you know what the hell our boys deal with -- my prayers go out to all

[wormie]

? :|

[DPGLAW]

any other videos like this???

[LordHalbert]

IED was wimpy though.

I'm not sure the SUV would've been disabled had it been right on top of the IED.

Timing was way off too.

I assume the IED was remotely triggered.

It could aslo be sensor triggered as well.

[Pille1234]

Is the car broken and makes that noise or are they shooting? And if, at whom? Doesn't make sense, does it?

@zoneone
Don't understand which site you are talking about. Can you provide us a link to that?

[anonymous individual]

What SUV are they riding in?

[Bombtrack]

if you go abck and search for a post called AWESOME VIDEO's it gives you a video of SF with music

ON THAT SITE -- it has video's on Insurgents not knowing how to handle an RPK, taking too long to fire an RPG and getting ripped apart by probably 20-25 5.56

and also -- you get to see a humvee hit by an IED

I must tell you in that video the IED looks like a freaking missile hit -- it was a big explosion and it really lets you know what the hell our boys deal with -- my prayers go out to all

links?

[ChuckThunder]

http://www.atwar.net/content.php?article.cat.17

[MEGR]

http://freecache.org/http://www.whiskeytangofoxtrot.net/hosted/ambush.wmv
My guess is those are blackwater guys following humvees to a base? It looks like an SUV style hood not a humvee so... I dunno. You guys will correct me if im wrong. :D

Nice find. I'm glad none of the dudes got hurt? Those IEDs didn't seem to go off right or something.

Anyways, that vid is like hollywood style action!

[Vance]

Must be crazy to be a resident there.

[Herrmannek]

http://freecache.org/http://www.whiskeytangofoxtrot.net/hosted/ambush.wmv
My guess is those are blackwater guys following humvees to a base? It looks like an SUV style hood not a humvee so... I dunno. You guys will correct me if im wrong. :D

Nice find. I'm glad none of the dudes got hurt? Those IEDs didn't seem to go off right or something.

Anyways, that vid is like hollywood style action!

Esspecialy those guys jumping through barriers right after explosion :)

[FozzieBear]

thats a ****ing hairy video, pretty pussy explosions though they looked like little white packages to me

[MEGR]

Those explosions I suppose were mortar rounds. What kind of rounds, I don't know. Argyll, could elaborate more I guess.

[tuckerhat]

i love how the clip ends with the guy saying "i got a bad feeling about this"

[khukuri]

didnt look like ieds att all.
i think its either really small mortar fire or 40 mm:s grenadelaunchers. Or is the russian grenadlauncher 30mm? i dont remember.

[Sayeret]

i love how the clip ends with the guy saying "i got a bad feeling about this"

They should have continued because I was wondering what happened next.

[Argyll]

Not seen this before,none the less a good find!
Ok now I'm no expert here but the explosions are pretty small,and innefective ,I'd guess that these were in fact 60mm mortar shells used as IED's.....now a lot of stuff being found and detonated is 152mm Arty shells,some daisy chained with 4-5 rounds in a row strategically placed apart to create maximum carnage!,some have also been suplemented with 7.62mm rounds and RPG warheads,to create a big Mo Fo bang!
As for who it is who'se riding along in the SUV's ,either State Dept,Blackwater or,Military they also use SUV's for High ranking officials),I've seen plenty of convoys like this,BSC if guarding the "Main man" will also have a military escort.

There is a lot of stuff I could tell you but OPSEC is more important.

[AVZ]

Just handgrenades?????????????????????

But suppose mortar rounds. DId I here gun-fire in background??

[cqbrdy]

in some videos ive seen them use 155mm rounds

155mm HE round will destroy everything within a 50m (150ft) square box.
its 97 lbs and has "iirc" 30lbs tnt in it I havent checked my 6-50/-10 in a while.

[Supes]

Damn that was intense. Im glad none of them got hurt. WHat kind of antenna circle type thing on the left black SUV? Some kind of radio jammer for IED radio detonation maybe?

Any more videos like that?

[anonymous individual]

Any idea as to what SUV are they riding in?

[RedneckAsian]

Any idea as to what SUV are they riding in?
most likely another suburban with a super charger in it, you can hear the blower whine in the background.

[Lone Predator]

That gives a really diffrent picture than I had in my mind of iraq


Thats gotta be scarey as **** the first few times when your just driving around and people start randomly ****ing shooting at you

The senior guy there was pretty confident though, "oh nothing, just some explosions"

[Mudcat]

What SUV are they riding in?

Good 'ol Chevy 2500 Suburbans. Armored and supercharged. Those things are very nice. :D

[Old Hickory]

In traning they told us the most common type of IED was a grenade in a pop can. They would just lay them in the road and wait for a vehicle to run them over or a kid to pick them up. A lot of those gunshots were from M16's on burst. You can see fire coming from the green humvee when the SUV tries to pass it. They must have seen something.

[ROY H]

Awesome vid bro thanks. And as for all you other poeple saying "prettty small stuff", rofl it is real life not some little video game you guys are playing it will kill you or mane you in a second you would be scraed trust me.My best frined is in the 75th Ranger regiment and servered 2 tours in afghanistan and iraq.It is pretty damn hairy when you know people are shooting live small arms fire (NOT AIRSOFT) and are setting off live ordinance explosives around you.

[memphiz]

Wow great video

[Gordon]

Awesome vid bro thanks. And as for all you other poeple saying "prettty small stuff", rofl it is real life not some little video game you guys are playing it will kill you or mane you in a second you would be scraed trust me.My best frined is in the 75th Ranger regiment and servered 2 tours in afghanistan and iraq.It is pretty damn hairy when you know people are shooting live small arms fire (NOT AIRSOFT) and are setting off live ordinance explosives around you.

Just out of interest, but one of the guys that said they seemed to be pretty small explosions happens to be working out there as a PMC, probably doing something pretty similar to what was going on in that vid.

I'm not flaming you or saying you're talking bs, cos you're not, just pointing that out.

[anonymous individual]

Does anyone use the GMC Yukon in Iraq for the same purpose as the Suburban?

[Keyboard]

love how the clip ends with the guy saying "i got a bad feeling about this"

Sounds to me like he said "I had a bad feeling about this..."

[Fulix]

Who are the guys in the vans? PMCs?

[Gordon]

probably so.

[dghost]

ahhh, memories.

where my unit was at the locals prefered to scrounge up 375-500lb bombs and dig them in under a road. one time, they left a crater large enough for a Bradley to fall into (and subsequently get buried by debris) far enough that it required an M88 to come out and pull it out.

[aartamen]

People with imagination AND free time on their hands is a terrible thing.

[BadKarma26]

I hope I don't sound like an idiot but WHO THE FU*K DRIVES AROUND IRAQ IN A BLACK SUV?

[MVSpartan117]

I hope I don't sound like an idiot but WHO THE FU*K DRIVES AROUND IRAQ IN A BLACK SUV?

Have you read any of the posts in this thread?

[BadKarma26]

Yah, but why can't they armor something else besides, once again, A BIG BLACK SUV.

[Seraphim]

Yah, but why can't they armor something else besides, once again, A BIG BLACK SUV.

Because all the pimp Mercedes were all used.

[dghost]

Yah, but why can't they armor something else besides, once again, A BIG BLACK SUV.

it's not so much the armor, it's the fact that it's a bitch to mount a .50 cal on a civic...

[BadKarma26]

Didn't see any 50s on the vehicles in the vid.

[dghost]

sarcasm is wasted on some people. :roll:

Annnyyywayyyyssss....


you want to be in a vehicle that is large. large enough that it is a pain in the ass to run off the road. large enough that you can shove *other* cars off the road. you want it to have a good enough suspension that it can deal with the horribly craptacular roads that exist in third world countries, as well as being capable of going over curbs and through ditches when the **** hits the fan. you want it to be large so that the occupants have a good statistical chance of surviving a crash with another vehicle or a building. you want it to be capable of storing gear, equipment, supplies, and extra ammo while still having room for a team of people to sit comfortably in. you want a vehicle that can run over the dumb motherf*cker who decides to jump in front of your vehicle with an AK when they ambush your convoy.

Traffic in Iraq sucks. its all about the offensive and defensive driving. you just don't get the same advantages in a smaller vehicle.

[Argyll]

Nothing wrong with Subs mate,we use em all the time,along with Merc's and GMC's..........all armoured off course.

Guys I said I was no expert,Roy these explosions are small,but small still kills,trust me I know what goes on here.

To be honest I think this was a combined IED/Grenade attack,the 1st being the IED the explosion on the road the grenade,the small arms fire probably directed at the attackers.

It's also possible the roadside was an RPG round hitting the ground instead of the vehicle,it was not IMHO one of the larger calibre Arty shells they're daisy chaining together(155's).
We had a similar incident that looked like an IED when it was the RPG hitting the embankment beside the vehicle .........shot from the opposite side of the road!

[ShakesFIST]

When I was in Iraq they were using a little of everything against us. From small hand grenades and 60mm mortar rounds to 155mm howitzer rounds to 500 pound aircraft bombs. Most were 60mm and 155 rounds though. Detonation was everything from "light the fuse and run" to plunger detonated. We even found one that was detonated by a garage door opener...

[American Patriot]

What happens at 23 seconds when there's an explosion and a voice says, "big one." Someone's gotta have a description of the video

[cropduster]

well, the explosions didnt look scary for me, but you never know what comes next. The gunfire you hear comes from the green humvee, but it is just for making some noise. You can see the guy firing through the door window all the time. He doesnt seem to focus on a target, he just fires, maybe to discourage other to start firing at teh convoy. He still fires when they are hundred meters away from the initial ambush position.

[American Patriot]

No gunner in the HMMWV? I was expecting an M240 chewing up some terrorists.

[gilgoul]

First of all, those look more like nades explosions than IED to me, but I might be out of focus.
Second, you can hear a lot of shooting, but at what ar they shooting exactly?
I mean, it`s not like the place is empty, you got enough civilians around to catch strays.
Do you guys happen to have more details about this particular ambush?
Didi any vehicul got stranded ?

[Herrmannek]

First of all, those look more like nades explosions than IED to me, but I might be out of focus.
Second, you can hear a lot of shooting, but at what ar they shooting exactly?
I mean, it`s not like the place is empty, you got enough civilians around to catch strays.
Do you guys happen to have more details about this particular ambush?
Didi any vehicul got stranded ?

I think they shoot(proly in air) beacuae there are people around, they want them take cover and run out from their way... Third world squad car siren :)

[Seraphim]

well, the explosions didnt look scary for me, but you never know what comes next. The gunfire you hear comes from the green humvee, but it is just for making some noise. You can see the guy firing through the door window all the time. He doesnt seem to focus on a target, he just fires, maybe to discourage other to start firing at teh convoy. He still fires when they are hundred meters away from the initial ambush position.

If you were in that position you would be.

[Javehn]

I can't download the movie :(

[Tengu]

well, the explosions didnt look scary for me, but you never know what comes next. The gunfire you hear comes from the green humvee, but it is just for making some noise. You can see the guy firing through the door window all the time. He doesnt seem to focus on a target, he just fires, maybe to discourage other to start firing at teh convoy. He still fires when they are hundred meters away from the initial ambush position.Well the problem is you don't know whats next... it could very well be a bigger explosion or snipers shooting at drivers and stuff like that

[mack pl]

second explosion was in middle of street, so I doubt it was IED....but its only my opinion, I could be wrong....

anyway, cool video...

[Supes]

What kind of circular antenna type thing is on the left SUV? IS that some kind of Satcom/HDDF suite for HVTs? Argyll do you know?

[Argyll]

What kind of circular antenna type thing is on the left SUV? IS that some kind of Satcom/HDDF suite for HVTs? Argyll do you know?

Comms kit for the Antennae,plus some other sensitive **** ;)

I spoke to some BSC guys today,this contact was with OIS,and was small arms and grenades ;)

[dghost]

I spoke to some BSC guys today,this contact was with OIS,and was small arms and grenades ;)

Cool, thanks for clearing that up.

[MEGR]

When I was in Iraq they were using a little of everything against us. From small hand grenades and 60mm mortar rounds to 155mm howitzer rounds to 500 pound aircraft bombs. Most were 60mm and 155 rounds though. Detonation was everything from "light the fuse and run" to plunger detonated. We even found one that was detonated by a garage door opener...

I hear they like the door bell ringers also. I read in one of my books that they stuff explosives in Pepsi cans. I can elaborate more if you guys want, but that is what was written.

[cqbrdy]

calum,
whats the quals one needs to sign for the company you work for?
and if you could give a list of the other companies that are there looking for people, and their qual's.
thanx mate.

[dghost]

When I was in Iraq they were using a little of everything against us. From small hand grenades and 60mm mortar rounds to 155mm howitzer rounds to 500 pound aircraft bombs. Most were 60mm and 155 rounds though. Detonation was everything from "light the fuse and run" to plunger detonated. We even found one that was detonated by a garage door opener...

I hear they like the door bell ringers also. I read in one of my books that they stuff explosives in Pepsi cans. I can elaborate more if you guys want, but that is what was written.

we saw a number of cell phones and car alarms rigged to detonate 120mm mortar rounds, etc etc...

[American Patriot]

I hope the Iraqis are enjoying their new cellphone amenity because it seems like it's causing the Coalition a lot of trouble.

[MEGR]

When I was in Iraq they were using a little of everything against us. From small hand grenades and 60mm mortar rounds to 155mm howitzer rounds to 500 pound aircraft bombs. Most were 60mm and 155 rounds though. Detonation was everything from "light the fuse and run" to plunger detonated. We even found one that was detonated by a garage door opener...

I hear they like the door bell ringers also. I read in one of my books that they stuff explosives in Pepsi cans. I can elaborate more if you guys want, but that is what was written.

we saw a number of cell phones and car alarms rigged to detonate 120mm mortar rounds, etc etc...

So you guys go through this everyday. You find alot of these IEDs everyday also?

[Argyll]

calum,
whats the quals one needs to sign for the company you work for?
and if you could give a list of the other companies that are there looking for people, and their qual's.
thanx mate.

6 years Infantry/2 Operational Tours of duty for mine.
As for others I couldn't say,some of the US Firms have different Tiers and have different acceptance levels.
There are so many different PMC/security firms here,BSC,CCC,MVM,all have different criteria

Devgru 77,
Yes there are guys who go through this every day,a lot of these finds and incidents don't reach the media,otherwise they sensationalise it,but there are upwards of 20-30 IED's a day in Iraq,probably more,but like I said it doesn't reach the headlines.

[dghost]

Devgru 77,
Yes there are guys who go through this every day,a lot of these finds and incidents don't reach the media,otherwise they sensationalise it,but there are upwards of 20-30 IED's a day in Iraq,probably more,but like I said it doesn't reach the headlines.

i'll second this.

even if being hit by IED's is not an everyday thing, it is still an everday danger - and you have to treat it as such. just because you have not been hit by an IED recently doesn't mean that your buddy hasn't been in 2-3+ IED attacks. in the last week.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

Watched this vid over and over a few days ago... Good video though.


if you go abck and search for a post called AWESOME VIDEO's it gives you a video of SF with music
I put that together with footage from that one National Geographic documentary on ODA 574 (was it?).

[MEGR]

So is it right to say that more IEDs were disarmed or destroyed, than successfully set off? I mean, one is deadly enough, but 20 would decimate an entire column!

[ChuckThunder]

Watched this vid over and over a few days ago... Good video though.


if you go abck and search for a post called AWESOME VIDEO's it gives you a video of SF with music
I put that together with footage from that one National Geographic documentary on ODA 574 (was it?).

Good video but I thought the music sucked.

[cazorp]

Have a close look at the second explosion in fron of the SUV, u can actually see something white appear on the road, before it explodes, so - her we go:

Mortar, arty, IED - c'mon, thats not even serious to believe for a second.. rofl
Handgranade - no, that would have scattered the windshield on camera-car

Shockgrenade/C4/dynamite - Yes! Something's thrown in the street when they're passing, problaby from the roof to the right, but a 100 grams of C4 wont blow anything up used like that in the open... It might blow some grit from the street onto the cars, and perhaps blow out a normal window within 2-3 metres, but thats pretty much it...

[Wilco]

Pretty nice driving in an SUV, they kept their cool and got out of there quick, good job.

[Argyll]

Have a close look at the second explosion in fron of the SUV, u can actually see something white appear on the road, before it explodes, so - her we go:

Mortar, arty, IED - c'mon, thats not even serious to believe for a second.. rofl
Handgranade - no, that would have scattered the windshield on camera-car

Shockgrenade/C4/dynamite - Yes! Something's thrown in the street when they're passing, problaby from the roof to the right, but a 100 grams of C4 wont blow anything up used like that in the open... It might blow some grit from the street onto the cars, and perhaps blow out a normal window within 2-3 metres, but thats pretty much it...

Ever been in one of those "contacts"?.......I have.......you have no idea mate..........no idea whatsoever.......shock grenades?You mean "Flashbangs"........these are "armoured vehicles",and personnel grenades are not going to cause that much damage unless it goes off right under your vehicle,and even at that because of the armour,the more likely damage is to the fule cell's being ruptured and not sealing.
Softskins are a different matter.

[cqbrdy]

ive never seen a flash bang blow up dirt like that or make an armored suv swerve like that.
the humv in front with the guy poking his head out of the top
and the guy spraying those 3 round bursts
had have to of seen someone on the right side of the road.

[MEGR]

Argyll: Are the groups you work in mixed? Mixed meaning, Americans, Brits, Canadians, etc. Or, does your company only hire from a certain group (like just Brits).

[ShotOver]

Bah, the white thing is behind the explosion, it dosnt go up.
It's at the 12second mark, the white thing you said looks like a bomb/chunk of C4 is after the explosion. So it's not the white thing. And listen to Argyll, he knows his ****.

[Argyll]

Argyll: Are the groups you work in mixed? Mixed meaning, Americans, Brits, Canadians, etc. Or, does your company only hire from a certain group (like just Brits).

Mostly Brits,but from across the Infantry scale,plus ex Legionairres,we have 1 South Africa,other than that it's a Brit outfit.
The Legion guys are Brits too.
A couple of SEAL's have had interviews in the past 2 weeks here

[Roger Rabbit]

Off Topic, Argyll do you have any photos of what normal Baghdad looks like? restaurants, shops, markets, housing etc etc?

[Fargin]

hot stuff. Intense.

[1Shot-1Kill]

Got this from another forum.
It was apparently one of the General's convoys that was hit. I think he said Abazid (I could be spelling it wrong) The first explosion you hear but don't see, then the others were from rifle grenades, either M203/79 or the Russian equivalent, the GP30. The GP30 apparently has less shrapnel (hence little damage to the trucks). The timing of the two explosions, and the small arms fire (mostly outgoing) and the fact that the civilians on the street seem suprised as anyone else indicates this:

The Chechen mercs have a liking for rifle grenades, and apparently have some skill with them (they used to brag about this in their Chechen war websites). They usually would fire two in an attack. The time between those small black explosions was about right for firing the loaded round, then loading fast and firing another shot timed to hit the rig that would have swerved into that lane after being scared away from the median by the first shot. Notice how it is like some unseen force that gets the guy to swerve back toward the median into his own lane. The attackers were smart, but the driver of that rig had his guardian angel flying tight wingman that day.

The convoy was a high value target, apparently indicated by the extra antennas on the rig you see that was the primary target of the hit.

The grenades were fired at long range, from above, probably from some balcony, roof, or upper story window.

Most of the shooting you hear is a gunner in the Humvee behind the vehicle that has the camera rolling. If you see the Humvee in the front, there is a guy in the top hatch firing three shot bursts more or less into the air (maybe they call that the Bagdad siren).

[pooch]

1shot, what's the 'other forum?

[1Shot-1Kill]

PM sent.

[Upfrontreporting]

Come on man... what's the other site


regards

[1Shot-1Kill]

PM sent.

[anonymous individual]

Yeah what other site?

[MVSpartan117]

whats the other site?

you just gonna PM everyone, just say.

[American Patriot]

Let's guess. 1 guess only.

I say LightFighter

[Argyll]

Got this from another forum.
It was apparently one of the General's convoys that was hit. I think he said Abazid (I could be spelling it wrong) The first explosion you hear but don't see, then the others were from rifle grenades, either M203/79 or the Russian equivalent, the GP30. The GP30 apparently has less shrapnel (hence little damage to the trucks). The timing of the two explosions, and the small arms fire (mostly outgoing) and the fact that the civilians on the street seem suprised as anyone else indicates this:

as I said OSI......not Blackwater

The Chechen mercs have a liking for rifle grenades, and apparently have some skill with them (they used to brag about this in their Chechen war websites). They usually would fire two in an attack. The time between those small black explosions was about right for firing the loaded round, then loading fast and firing another shot timed to hit the rig that would have swerved into that lane after being scared away from the median by the first shot. Notice how it is like some unseen force that gets the guy to swerve back toward the median into his own lane. The attackers were smart, but the driver of that rig had his guardian angel flying tight wingman that day.

There is still no cast iron proof of Chechens here in Iraq,this stuff about them prefering this method surfaced after the BSC ambush on BIAP several weeks ago,also the latest coming out of Int is that there is a rift between locals and Foreign fighters,locals telling them to cool their attacks on Iraqi's.and them teliing them to Fok Off(in Arabic!!)

The convoy was a high value target, apparently indicated by the extra antennas on the rig you see that was the primary target of the hit.

the antennae theory is BS,there are lots of SUV's carrying the same types of Ae.

The grenades were fired at long range, from above, probably from some balcony, roof, or upper story window.

Long range,the guys from BSC I talked to yesterday said this attack happened on Haifa street,if you've been to Haifa street,then you'd know that this was bollock's.....not long distance,they were thrown not fired

Most of the shooting you hear is a gunner in the Humvee behind the vehicle that has the camera rolling. If you see the Humvee in the front, there is a guy in the top hatch firing three shot bursts more or less into the air (maybe they call that the Bagdad siren).

It's used to try and control,but if he was firing blindlythen he was breaking the ROE's for PSD's,these ambushes heighten the senses,and add to the confusion,you might think the fire is coming from a certain point when infact it could be the exact opposite!!

Unless the guys from this convoy have posted directly to this other forum,then read into it what you want.The guys from BSC said it was not them,still the drills were good.....push through the ambush

the other forum is the same one I mentioned before in another post...

[American Patriot]

Here we go. I found the news article..

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2001978920_olympics14.html

eh nm, those didn't look and sound like rpg strikes

[graphicsguy at PH]

Got this from another forum.
It was apparently one of the General's convoys that was hit. I think he said Abazid (I could be spelling it wrong) The first explosion you hear but don't see, then the others were from rifle grenades, either M203/79 or the Russian equivalent, the GP30. The GP30 apparently has less shrapnel (hence little damage to the trucks). The timing of the two explosions, and the small arms fire (mostly outgoing) and the fact that the civilians on the street seem suprised as anyone else indicates this:

as I said OSI......not Blackwater

The Chechen mercs have a liking for rifle grenades, and apparently have some skill with them (they used to brag about this in their Chechen war websites). They usually would fire two in an attack. The time between those small black explosions was about right for firing the loaded round, then loading fast and firing another shot timed to hit the rig that would have swerved into that lane after being scared away from the median by the first shot. Notice how it is like some unseen force that gets the guy to swerve back toward the median into his own lane. The attackers were smart, but the driver of that rig had his guardian angel flying tight wingman that day.

There is still no cast iron proof of Chechens here in Iraq,this stuff about them prefering this method surfaced after the BSC ambush on BIAP several weeks ago,also the latest coming out of Int is that there is a rift between locals and Foreign fighters,locals telling them to cool their attacks on Iraqi's.and them teliing them to Fok Off(in Arabic!!)

The convoy was a high value target, apparently indicated by the extra antennas on the rig you see that was the primary target of the hit.

the antennae theory is BS,there are lots of SUV's carrying the same types of Ae.

The grenades were fired at long range, from above, probably from some balcony, roof, or upper story window.

Long range,the guys from BSC I talked to yesterday said this attack happened on Haifa street,if you've been to Haifa street,then you'd know that this was bollock's.....not long distance,they were thrown not fired

Most of the shooting you hear is a gunner in the Humvee behind the vehicle that has the camera rolling. If you see the Humvee in the front, there is a guy in the top hatch firing three shot bursts more or less into the air (maybe they call that the Bagdad siren).

It's used to try and control,but if he was firing blindlythen he was breaking the ROE's for PSD's,these ambushes heighten the senses,and add to the confusion,you might think the fire is coming from a certain point when infact it could be the exact opposite!!

Unless the guys from this convoy have posted directly to this other forum,then read into it what you want.The guys from BSC said it was not them,still the drills were good.....push through the ambush

the other forum is the same one I mentioned before in another post...


Im no expert on this but i have done some CP work as a PPO.
They did well by my standards, the only thing that strikes me as odd is the lack of comm's chatter between the veh's (assuming that there is a speaker or external speaker on in the veh). As well the second and third vehicles BRAKE? third vehicle slows down soo much that the 4 th allmost needs a condom. Like I said before im no SME on this but, all of those veh's should have been doing mach 2. But oppinions are like assholes everyones got one. :roll:

[1Shot-1Kill]

I guess it doesn't really matter who it was. The whole point is they did a good job getting the hell out of there with little or no damage. It didn't really seem like anyone was shooting from the burbs, though. I guess I'm just one of those wierdos that would be bustin windows out to get some. Suppresion fire works wonders, the enemy can't do much when they have there head down. Anyway, good video!!!

[Argyll]

I showed this video to our PM and STC's,and they both agreed that it's Rifle grenades,and the boss said that one of our callsigns suffered an attack similar to this,whilst caught in traffic,roughly the same place this contact happened!
They heard a thump against the window,looked out to see a small black and silver object in the gutter,they sped away and it went off!

The blokes in that contact in the Sub's did very well,good defensive driving,not too aggresive and not too fast,what my only nitpicking question is what were they shooting at towards the end of the video,as the Small Arms fire is still apparent even though the convoy is at least a Kilometre away from the ambush site.

[maw]

"as I said OSI......not Blackwater "

negative copy. this was blackwater, these weren't gp30's and there are indeed chechens and uzbeks in country.

[saigonsmuggler]

Dumb question - why aren't the people in the Sub's shooting back? I saw all Sub's with their windows up, no guns pointing out.

[Roger Rabbit]

Dumb question - why aren't the people in the Sub's shooting back? I saw all Sub's with their windows up, no guns pointing out.

Maybe they couldn't see a target?

[MEGR]

Dumb question - why aren't the people in the Sub's shooting back? I saw all Sub's with their windows up, no guns pointing out.

Good question. I kinda thought the same thing.

Here's a list of why they didn't shoot back. BTW I'm no expert, just thinking of things here.

1. Maybe they didn't know where these dudes were, and instead of risking a prolonged firefight, thought it was good to just get the fudge outta there.

2. The explosions coulda been the beginning of a bigger ambush?

3. Stemming off of number 1, maybe they didn't want to shoot back because of the Urban area and the civilians that might get hurt?

4. Or like Roger Rabbit said, the didn't know where the shooting was.

It makes sense to me, that if at all possible, get the fudge out if you don't need to fight anyways.

[Undo]

Dumb question - why aren't the people in the Sub's shooting back? I saw all Sub's with their windows up, no guns pointing out.

You can't roll down armoured glass.

[saigonsmuggler]

Sure armoured glass could be the issue but that present another problem: what if they see a guy aiming or trying to aim a RPG at them?

Armoured glass is not going to stop RPGs. Don't these Sub's have top hatches like the Humvees? Guys in the Humvees were shooting back.

I read a Baghdad briefing note a while back on this site - it noted that the more guns sticking out of your vehicle, the less likely you are going to be engaged.

I have no experience in these work... so bear with me.

[Argyll]

"as I said OSI......not Blackwater "

negative copy. this was blackwater, these weren't gp30's and there are indeed chechens and uzbeks in country.

The Blackwater guys I talked to on Sunday said it wasn't them,it was they who said it was OSI,if they were not GP30's then what were they,the "ex Regiment" blokes thought the 1st blast may have been an RPG,the road blast was like an Impact strike,even slowing this video down,there is no appearance of a grenade.The true account of this contact may never be told,there were 3 different versions of the BIAP contact,each contradicting the other

The only people who have reported the Chechen thing are the BSC guys,even this contact was not filtered back to the other PSD's in Baghdad.......BSC keep everything to themselves here,which is a shame as I'm sure everyone would benefit from having a central Int service,The Foreign Insurgents here are not liked,so I'm a bit sceptical of what get's reported,same as the report that there were 2000 Pakistani Suicide bombers on their way to Iraq.

No matter what,this is a good video,and it was shown during our Ops brief tonight.

[maw]

argyll, i heard this from tim at bsc (did you follow up with him yet?), but i may have gotten my wires crossed. the chechen/uzbek connection is an offline conversation...

[cqbrdy]

why dont you guys just write blkwtr an email
asking if its them or not,
either way it is a very good learning tool for us
who want to enter this career field.

[Argyll]

argyll, i heard this from tim at bsc (did you follow up with him yet?), but i may have gotten my wires crossed. the chechen/uzbek connection is an offline conversation...

No mate,not yet as I'm rotating out in a couple of days until the end of August.

The Chechen thing is worth looking into more,but not for here I agree,it's a need to know basis,and there are folks here who simply just do not need to know what's happening out here.

Jon,
I didn't follow up/ask on who this was,coz I spoke to some BSC guys directly at one of the Ministries that day,and the TL tols me it wasn't ther convoy,and to be honest it really doesn't matter who it is,they performed their contact drills perfectly,and survived.Our guys seem to think they can hear SA firing just before the Blasts,this particular are in Haifa street was notoriously bad.

[usa320]

****...good video indeed...

[cqbrdy]

sounds good calum, btw,
how big is your address book now,
since you met all these new friends???

tell the bsc guys you gotta friend looking into that career,
say a few good words about me, ill email you personal info.
if they want know anything.