Yemen child bride 'bleeds to death'

[wotsnext]

A 13-year-old Yemeni girl has died of internal bleeding three days after being married, rights groups say. The report comes amid ongoing debate on setting a minimum age for brides in Yemen, where more than a quarter of girls are married before the age of 15.
A 2009 law setting the minimum age at 17 was repealed after some lawmakers said it was un-Islamic. A final decision is due this month.
There was no official confirmation of the death by Yemeni officials.
The girl, said to have been married to a man in his 20s, died in the west of the country last week, the Arab Sisters Forum (Saf) rights group said.
A medical report by the hospital where she was treated said she had suffered a tear to her genitals and severe bleeding after intercourse, the group said.
In a statement obtained by the ******* news agency, Unicef's regional director, Sigrid Kaag, said the UN child agency was "dismayed by the death of yet another child bride in Yemen".
Human rights groups have been pressurising the authorities to outlaw family-arranged child marriages in Yemen, which has a tribal social structure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8610491.stm

Poor child...........Rest in Peace.

[Astaran]

What a sick ****.

May she rest in peace.

[hulaku]

A 2009 law setting the minimum age at 17 was repealed after some lawmakers said it was un-Islamic.RIP to the poor girl
A sick fvck. Even sicker are the lawmakers who say minimum age of 17 is unislamic.

Actually the fact is that Muslims think of the Prophet as the ideal human being, who's way of life is what most Muslims try to emulate. And the Prophet himself married Aisha a bride of 6 and consummated the marriage when she was aged 9 according to some sources, though there are certain disagreements on this.


According to the traditional sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Watt-0)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Spellberg-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Armstrong-3) American historian Denise Spellberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_Spellberg) states that "these specific references to the bride's age reinforce Aisha's pre-menarcheal status and, implicitly, her virginity."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Spellberg-2) This issue of her virginity was of great importance to early historians who supported the Abbasid Caliphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Caliphate). These historians considered that as Muhammad's only virgin wife, Aisha was divinely intended for him, and therefore the most credible regarding the debate over the succession to Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_Muhammad).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Spellberg-2)

Aisha stayed in her parents' home for several years until she joined Muhammad and the marriage was consummated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consummate).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Watt-0)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Spellberg-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Armstrong-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-6) Most of the sources indicate that she was nine years old at the time, with the single exception of al-Tabari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Jarir_al-Tabari), who records that she was ten.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#cite_note-Spellberg-2) The marriage was delayed until after the Hijra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28Islam%29), or migration to Medina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina), in 622; Aisha and her older sister Asma bint Abi Bakr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_bint_Abi_Bakr) only moved to Medina after Muhammad had already migrated there. After this, the wedding was celebrated very simply. The sources do not offer much more information about Aisha's childhood years, but mention that after the wedding, she continued to play with her toys, and that Muhammad entered into the spirit of these games.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

[pocoloco]

These kind of marriages are more tradition's fault than religion's fault. It hasn't been uncommon in other parts of the world either, societies just have changed and thus the laws and regulations and maybe even human morale. So stone throwing towards different religions can commense... or continue, since Hulaku threw the first stone already.

edit: RIP to the poor girl.

[hulaku]

These kind of marriages are more tradition's fault than religion's fault. It hasn't been uncommon in other parts of the world either, societies just have changed and thus the laws and regulations and maybe even human morale. So stone throwing towards different religions can commense... or continue, since Hulaku threw the first stone already.

I was just reffering to the fact as to why the lawmakers were opposed to putting the minimum age of marriage as 17 called it Un-Islamic. And that was the point where religion came in.

I agree with you that these marriages are more a matter of tradition than religon. The country I live in, India, probaly has the highest number of child marriages in the world. But I am consoled by the fact that this is a widely recognised problem and by law it is illegal for a girl to get married before she is 18.

[Player]

Gee this kind of stuff gives me an instant headache. RIP girl.

[wagon]

Poor girl. Unfortunately, she is unlikely to be the last. :(

[Marmot1]

So, as per today standards Muhammad would be considered pedophile.

[jackc]

a terrible thing RIP
USA is another country that allows you to marry a child with parent consent and there would be more countries too
http://www.coolnurse.com/marriage_laws.htm

[Billy No Mates]

So, as per today standards Muhammad would be considered pedophile.

To be fair so would a few other historical other figures from other cultures,but the Yemen really needs to see the harm this practice is doing to their society in the modern age .

[BLUE THOR]

a grown man having *** with a 13 yr old is alright under Islam huh?
well, well, well. And people wonder why I serve.
Let me clarify, I know not all Muslims reckon this is on, and are respectful decent citizens, but this isnt a cult or off-shoot, this is a whole bloody country with Islamic laws and they reckon this is fine...
Islam really needs to wake up and catch up. These people live in the Middle East, not the middle ages.
I also understand the western muslims cant do bugger all about this, because I am sure the same people who reckon 13 yr olds are fair game reckon Muslims living in the west are not proper muslims.

[pocoloco]

not the middle ages

No need to drag my favourite era of human history into this :) But to be more precise, it's more tradition of old than religions of today that prevail and establish these child marriages. Happened in European history quite recently still. It should be more about bashing the Yemen as a country and their back water behaviour than their religion... which of course helps to maintain the sick status quo so okies... bash them all.

[Rudolph]

I wanted to post this, but it won't change the behaviour of certain people....

RIP to the poor girl.

[BLUE THOR]

No need to drag my favourite era of human history into this :) But to be more precise, it's more tradition of old than religions of today that prevail and establish these child marriages. Happened in European history quite recently still. It should be more about bashing the Yemen as a country and their back water behaviour than their religion... which of course helps to maintain the sick status quo so okies... bash them all.

while I agree Yemeni culture needs a shake up, the issue extends to other islamic countries in Nth Africa and the Middle East. Generally the same countries that still practice Female Genital Mutilation - which has also come from some twisted version of Islam where women shouldnt experience pleasure. I feel like I keep harping on Islam, and I dont mean all Muslims are like this, In theory and under the Koran it is a very balanced and tolerant religion. In practice however, it has gone terribly wrong IN SOME PLACES, as did Christianity and other religions, bent for political aims and personal power. Now the world is a smaller place we can modernise the entire religion, as Christianity has done to a degree. I feel Islam needs to catch up too.

Yes, and RIP to the child and so many others who have been lost to these disgusting traditions. Its unfortunate these traditions are linked with Islam by the perpetrators, but thats how it is.

[ggk]

Actually the fact is that Muslims think of the Prophet as the ideal human being, who's way of life is what most Muslims try to emulate. And the Prophet himself married Aisha a bride of 6 and consummated the marriage when she was aged 9 according to some sources, though there are certain disagreements on this.



its a hoax.


he marriage was delayed until after the Hijra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28Islam%29), or migration to Medina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina), in 622; Aisha and her older sister Asma bint Abi Bakr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_bint_Abi_Bakr) only moved to Medina after Muhammad had already migrated there.by reading this using your awesome education what is her age?

point1

the 54th surah al Qamar was revealed by the prophet 9 years before Hijrah...at the time it was revealed Aisha says: 'I was a young girl (jariyah)' ... so now Muhammad married Aisha 1 year after Hijrah..this mean shes a teenage girl when they are married.

point 2

The Semitic rule of WAR.. no woman under the age of 15 can acompany anyone even their dad to battle.

The battle of Badr are 2 years after Hijrah and the Battle of Uhud are 3 years after hijrah.... she acompany Muhammad on both battles.

if shes married 1 year after Hijrah there is no way in hell shes married at 9.

Point 3

Asma, Aisha elder sister are 10 years older than her. She died at the age of 100, 73 years after Hijrah. Thats mean Asma are 27 during the Hijrah..how old are Aisha? Do the math.

Point 4

Abu Bakar aishas dad are mentioned by Tabari to have all his 4 children including Aisha born during the pre Islamic period, 13 years before Hijrah. Again do the math,

Point 5

Aisha embrace Islam quite sometimes before Umar Ibnu Khatab and this guy Umar embrace Islam 7 years before Hijrah. Just imagine deduct that 8 years to the alleged 9 years age marriage...what you get? she embrace Islam at the age of 2? Is that logic?

Point 6

Fatima the prophet daughter are 5 years older than Aisha, she born 19 years before Hijrah... so if Aisha married Muhammad 1 year after Hijrah...what her age? math....its all math.

again HULAKU and his airy fairy islamophopic dinggedadeeee got owned...

[hulaku]

its a hoax.

again HULAKU and his airy fairy islamophopic dinggedadeeee got owned...

Again making it personal and hissyfitting are we? I quoted where I got my information but since you are going to deny that I just googled and got this


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310: (http://www.faithfreedom.org/external.html?link=http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3310)
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 (http://www.faithfreedom.org/external.html?link=http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064)
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 (http://www.faithfreedom.org/external.html?link=http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.065)
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 (http://www.faithfreedom.org/external.html?link=http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.088)
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.
Sahih Bukhari 7.18 (http://www.faithfreedom.org/external.html?link=http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.018)
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."Please explain

[hulaku]

Even in progressive Islamic states there is opposition to raise the marriageable age of girls to 18.


KUALA LUMPUR — Malaysia's religion minister on Tuesday defended Islamic laws that allow girls under 16 to marry, amid a controversy over two youngsters who were married off to middle-aged men.
The issue has flared in Malaysia after reports that two girls aged 10 and 11 were wed in the conservative northern state of Kelantan last month. They have now been removed from their husbands.
Rights groups have called for the reform of Islamic laws that allow marriage under the age of 16 if religious officials give their consent. Sharia law runs in parallel with civil law in multi-ethnic Malaysia.
"There is no need to amend the law," Jamil Khir Baharom, a cabinet minister in charge of religious affairs, told reporters.
"The law already exists... marrying someone aged 16 and below requires the consent of the court. The court does not simply grant the consent," he said.
"Maturity is a subjective question. It depends on the development of the person. Maturity is not based on age solely."
Pressure group Sisters in Islam has called for an end to child marriages, saying the practice was "unacceptable" but continued in Malaysia because of a "belief that Muslim girls can be married off once they reach puberty".
"The minimum age of marriage for Muslim girls must be raised to 18 to be in compliance with the Child Act which defines children as those below the age of 18," it said in a statement.
Other citizens in the multicultural country -- where the population is dominated by Muslim Malays -- are not permitted to marry before the age of 18.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5inxYecjp4rz2Di91pAw_hTlMpTYw

[California Joe]

So now you're going to sit here and argue that the prophet wasn't a pedophile, merely a lecherous old creeper? Great.

Try to stick with the program here. When there is a death of a 13 year old girl from essentially government sponsored statutory rape and the article uses terms like "lawmakers" and "Un Islamic" as a justification for allowing this then we have a problem.

Everytime there is one of these threads there are plenty of denounciations from what I assume are normal, logical thinking Muslim members. But until people who think like you take back your religion from these psychos you're going to continue to be lumped in with them and painted with the same brush. It's human nature.

[BLUE THOR]

As usual, well said CJ.

[Gentius]

Seriously when will civilisation arrive on some part of the world, its 2010 FFS!

RIP to the poor girl.

[rgjbloke]

Rest in peace to this child. Government's have a responsibility to children to ensure that they are looked after properly. People may claim they are able to do these things for religous or culteral reason's, but, at the end of the day, in these modern times, Their Government can legislate. Blame whoever or whatever for this child abuse being allowed but the authorities should be held to account by any means available for letting this still happen in the world today.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

These kind of marriages are more tradition's fault than religion's fault. It hasn't been uncommon in other parts of the world either, societies just have changed and thus the laws and regulations and maybe even human morale. So stone throwing towards different religions can commense... or continue, since Hulaku threw the first stone already.

edit: RIP to the poor girl.

Well the problem of course is that in many parts of the world - social tradition has not yet diverged from religion. Things were admittedly f*cked up the world over several hundred years ago (one could argue that was out of necessity I suppose since if you only live until 20 you'd better marry at 9)...but vast areas of the globe have changed since then. Until Islam abandons the concepts of infallibility and inerrancy of it's holy instruction book, like other major religions did hundreds of years ago, they're going to be stuck in the 14th century.

[Albatross]

The religion of violence and ignorance strikes again

[Hollis]

If we do a simple comparison, there are many sects of Islam and it is practice through out the world in many countries and cultures. A broad brush does not paint it all. Just as all Russians are not the same, All Americans are not the same, etc, etc, etc, we can also pass this analogy to races, religions, etc. In the past and is some cultures, let's say, still clinging to the past will marry girls off at a young age. One of he criticism of modern society in it's conflict with morality and natural human responses, is that we demand celibacy until marriage which becomes difficult because many people hold off till getting marriage until they are way into their 20's or 30's. Yet our ****** drives develops after puberty (13?).

What I am driving at is; Part of forum rules is not to get into religion bashing. I know it is not easy for some to separate the person from their religion as to causation of events like this. Try not to paint everyone with the same brush. Over simplifications and using stereo type casting does not always work.


Adding to what 2shed said, the idea is to help people move forward, not to push them backwards.

Also what CJ said should be taken seriously too. The best change comes from within.

[pocoloco]

Well the problem of course is that in many parts of the world - social tradition has not yet diverged from religion. Things were admittedly f*cked up the world over several hundred years ago (one could argue that was out of necessity I suppose since if you only live until 20 you'd better marry at 9)...but vast areas of the globe have changed since then. Until Islam abandons the concepts of infallibility and inerrancy of it's holy instruction book, like other major religions did hundreds of years ago, they're going to be stuck in the 14th century.

It's rather that other societies, cultures and countries moved past and beyond what the religions ordered or tried to guide them to act like that we have moved beyond child marriages and try to let children have their childhood. Although even if child marriages are forbidden then again sh!t for brains parents dress up their kids like 'working girls' or 'gangstas', take them to participate in beauty contests etc., in other words don't let children be children.

[Kit]

What a nightmare. :(

At least she can't suffer under that sicko anymore.

[Albatross]

I wish I could agree with you hollis, but it seems that everything that points back to Islam for the reason of the action is either violent, ignorant, and just flat out unacceptable. There are great people who happen to be Muslim, but that religion is ridiculous. Marrying off a young girl, which everyone in the western world understands is wrong and not healthy for anyone involved, due to religion is wrong.

[3rdMillhouse]

So these lawmakers want to convey the message that it is in their faith best interest to fvck little children? And you muslims wonder why we give you such a hard time over this.

[Hollis]

I wish I could agree with you hollis, but it seems that everything that points back to Islam for the reason of the action is either violent, ignorant, and just flat out unacceptable. There are great people who happen to be Muslim, but that religion is ridiculous. Marrying off a young girl, which everyone in the western world understands is wrong and not healthy for anyone involved, due to religion is wrong.


Alby it is a conundrum for everyone. How do non-Muslims deal with this issue with out generalizing all Muslims as the same? I think for Muslims, how to drag your fellow believers into this time in history and shed old cultural issues that may have laced their way in to the belief system. (My assumption here is that religion is used as a tool to maintain power and status quo)

[Curtis E. Bear]

a grown man having *** with a 13 yr old is alright under Islam huh?
well, well, well. And people wonder why I serve.
Let me clarify, I know not all Muslims reckon this is on, and are respectful decent citizens, but this isnt a cult or off-shoot, this is a whole bloody country with Islamic laws and they reckon this is fine...
Islam really needs to wake up and catch up. These people live in the Middle East, not the middle ages.
I also understand the western muslims cant do bugger all about this, because I am sure the same people who reckon 13 yr olds are fair game reckon Muslims living in the west are not proper muslims.

So you serve to rid the world of Islam?

[BLUE THOR]

So you serve to rid the world of Islam?

Where did I say that? or you still being a prick? :)
I serve to stop the same people who allow this to happen in their country imposing that filthy rubbish on my family. from the politicians to the religious leaders to the perpetrators.
Islam is fine, Muhummad had a good thing going when he started Islam, but look at what these "islamic" laws allow. I like my country the way it is, and events like this only remind me its worth fighting for.
No-one will be marrying my daughters (yet to be had) at 13, or anyone elses daughters at that age in my country while I am alive to fight against it.
I serve to do my bit to rid the world of sub human bastards, mate, regardless of race, religion, colour or nationality. I wont get them all, but I will have a go at it. Cheers.

[Albatross]

Alby it is a conundrum for everyone. How do non-Muslims deal with this issue with out generalizing all Muslims as the same? I think for Muslims, how to drag your fellow believers into this time in history and shed old cultural issues that may have laced their way in to the belief system. (My assumption here is that religion is used as a tool to maintain power and status quo)

You are talking a paradigm change for an entire religion. I just don't see how that can happen, although education is going to be the first thing that needs to happen. I believe that the majority of this retarded action comes from tribal regions where they haven't been educated. That is still not an excuse for it, and I really wonder why ALL Islamic nations aren't trying to educate their people. Jordan has pulled it off, why can't everyone else?

[tea drinker]

Sickening :-(
RIP little one, and thoughts to your family.
Each to his own, but I think most Muslims would agree and be appaled at their daughter dying this way.


Where did I say that? or you still being a prick? :)
I serve to stop the same people who allow this to happen in their country imposing that filthy rubbish on my family. from the politicians to the religious leaders to the perpetrators.
Islam is fine, Muhummad had a good thing going when he started Islam, but look at what these "islamic" laws allow. I like my country the way it is, and events like this only remind me its worth fighting for.
No-one will be marrying my daughters (yet to be had) at 13, or anyone elses daughters at that age in my country while I am alive to fight against it.
I serve to do my bit to rid the world of sub human bastards, mate, regardless of race, religion, colour or nationality. I wont get them all, but I will have a go at it. Cheers.
Good on you, I have to agree with your opinions. Our way of life is not a thing to apologise for, or accept to have changed against our will.
Fine, we need to be pushed to think/challenge/better ourselves , and that "we" includes politicians and gov agencies which sometimes do a slack job of puting citizens first.

[Dercius]

May the poor girl rest in peace. Adult Gays having mutual consented ****** relations are hanged but pedophiles abusing and killing 12yo girls are fine....... thats what I call a sick and rotten society

[2Sheds_Jackson]

It's rather that other societies, cultures and countries moved past and beyond what the religions ordered or tried to guide them to act like that we have moved beyond child marriages and try to let children have their childhood. Although even if child marriages are forbidden then again sh!t for brains parents dress up their kids like 'working girls' or 'gangstas', take them to participate in beauty contests etc., in other words don't let children be children.

You'll get no argument from me there...but I think there's a looonng road between dressing up your kid like an adult woman, and marrying her off as if she actually was one.

[JJHH]

so sad..........

[gazell]

Although even if child marriages are forbidden then again sh!t for brains parents dress up their kids like 'working girls' or 'gangstas', take them to participate in beauty contests etc., in other words don't let children be children.

Let's not confuse role play, an essential part of growing up with reality here. What does a working girl look like, what does a gangster look like? Is it enough to have lipstick on, is it enough to have a gun?

Children still remain children if they do role play.

[gazell]

I was just reffering to the fact as to why the lawmakers were opposed to putting the minimum age of marriage as 17 called it Un-Islamic. And that was the point where religion came in.

I agree with you that these marriages are more a matter of tradition than religon. The country I live in, India, probaly has the highest number of child marriages in the world. But I am consoled by the fact that this is a widely recognised problem and by law it is illegal for a girl to get married before she is 18.

We have much less strict laws about this in the 'civilised Western' world. Sometimes implemented to accomodate minorities.

[Hollis]

You are talking a paradigm change for an entire religion. I just don't see how that can happen, although education is going to be the first thing that needs to happen. I believe that the majority of this retarded action comes from tribal regions where they haven't been educated. That is still not an excuse for it, and I really wonder why ALL Islamic nations aren't trying to educate their people. Jordan has pulled it off, why can't everyone else?


I agree, also the roots of oppression is based on Illiteracy/ignorance (IMHO)

[ex1cdo]

Everybody ought to settle down and realize that there are idiots leading religions everywhere, making ****ouncements about what is appropriate for members of their faith. Not to mention that kiddy-diddlers exist in every culture, practicing every religion imaginable.

Just look at the recent revelations about the behaviour of certain members of the church of Rome, and how the church hierarchy has done their best to ignore it, cover it up, or deny it.

That being said, I do not in any way approve of children being ******ly exploited by means of arranged marriages, in the name of religion, or as a result of criminal behaviour.

[muck]

Gee this kind of stuff gives me an instant headache. RIP girl.
x2 absolutely. What a disgusting act of cruelty, but what is even more disgusting is the apathy and toleration the societies of many Islamic countries show towards child marriage.

[danielc]

He was not abusing her, or trying to kill the poor girl, he was legally married to her and therefore exercising his right as a husband. Not that I think this is proper, its rather sickening to imagine that a full grown-up man would set himself on a girl just getting into puberty, but that's their culture. Its actually quite possible that the girl was already menstruating which further legitimizes, in her parents mind, the need to marry her off to someone. Probably she wouldn't have died had she received proper medical care, which I doubt the poor girl did. Plus, it wouldn't even surprise me if the husband and parents didn't just shrug the all thing off and put it down to "The will of Allah".

Third-world, dirt poor countries are terrible places to live, children die like flies from all kinds of preventable diseases, women die at childbirth from lack of proper medical care, or because they're undernourished, or women are sold into marriage, or prostitution, or a myriad of other inhumane terrible things that thankfully we longer have happening in first world nations.

[TheKorean]

13 year olds these days arent so small that penetration would cause them to die. At least not here anyway.

Still, disgusting practice, having a child be forced to have ***. RIP.

[Wahnsinn]

x2 absolutely. What a disgusting act of cruelty, but what is even more disgusting is the apathy and toleration the societies of many Islamic countries show towards child marriage.

Used to be pretty common in the Western World too so I wouldn't jump on the high horse just yet. Child marriage is practiced globally yet I don't see anyone calling it sick and disgusting in the Amazon, just when Muslims are involved it is wrong. I certainly think it is wrong but with Islam being the enemy these days I'm not suprised many people have been brain washed into a hatred of a whole religion. The sad thing for me is I reckon this would of happened in Yemen even if it were a Christian, Jewish, Hindu or secular (etc) country as child marriage is so ingrained in their culture that it will take a major shift in attitudes and policy to change this.

[okiebugg]

He was not abusing her, or trying to kill the poor girl, he was legally married to her and therefore exercising his right as a husband. Not that I think this is proper, its rather sickening to imagine that a full grown-up man would set himself on a girl just getting into puberty, but that's their culture. Its actually quite possible that the girl was already menstruating which further legitimizes, in her parents mind, the need to marry her off to someone. Probably she wouldn't have died had she received proper medical care, which I doubt the poor girl did. Plus, it wouldn't even surprise me if the husband and parents didn't just shrug the all thing off and put it down to "The will of Allah"..

Third-world, dirt poor countries are terrible places to live, children die like flies from all kinds of preventable diseases, women die at childbirth from lack of proper medical care, or because they're undernourished, or women are sold into marriage, or prostitution, or a myriad of other inhumane terrible things that thankfully we longer have happening in first world nations.



The will of allah? Was Muhammad a pedophile? I think so. the above is a sick diatribe making excuses for an entire society, tribal or not, that allows these types of actions. "the girl was menstruating" I don't care if she was sucking lollipops....that is NO excuse for violating her.

May she RIP

[Wahnsinn]

The will of allah? Was Muhammad a pedophile? I think so. the above is a sick diatribe making excuses for an entire society, tribal or not, that allows these types of actions. "the girl was menstruating" I don't care if she was sucking lollipops....that is NO excuse for violating her.

May she RIP

It is very saddening when a child dies and I certainly believe that marrying and consumating your marriage with a 13 year old is wrong. You cannot call the man a paedophile though as he broke no laws within his own country. I'm not condoning it but we can't judge and apply our laws to those not under the jurisdication of it. If this was allowed in the US for example I'm sure it would happen much more often.

[danielc]

The will of allah? Was Muhammad a pedophile? I think so. the above is a sick diatribe making excuses for an entire society, tribal or not, that allows these types of actions. "the girl was menstruating" I don't care if she was sucking lollipops....that is NO excuse for violating her.

May she RIP\


What!!! Who's making up excuses, you obviously lack reading skills.

[okiebugg]

I can and will call Muhammad a pedophile. He was a miscreant that violated a child of 9 yrs. He broke the laws of a global society by sleeping with her and violating her.

And this isn't allowed in the US and never has been....even by native americans. NA's are a stable society with at the very least the ability to recognize that young children are precious. Even a thirteen year old

[okiebugg]

Yeah I make excuses. but not in the realm of mistreating children

[Mastermind]

Well, what can one say about that? It truly is an abomination...isn't it?

[Difool]

Nice culture those people got.

[BAF]

Its a barbaric culture and its a barbaric religion, and it will be the downfall of us all if we dont act accordingly.

yeah i said it, call me what you want, most of you know its true.

[Big John Daddy]

ISlam the religion of peace. lol. What a joke.
RIP

[Ulytau]

its a hoax.

by reading this using your awesome education what is her age?

point1

the 54th surah al Qamar was revealed by the prophet 9 years before Hijrah...at the time it was revealed Aisha says: 'I was a young girl (jariyah)' ... so now Muhammad married Aisha 1 year after Hijrah..this mean shes a teenage girl when they are married.

point 2

The Semitic rule of WAR.. no woman under the age of 15 can acompany anyone even their dad to battle.

The battle of Badr are 2 years after Hijrah and the Battle of Uhud are 3 years after hijrah.... she acompany Muhammad on both battles.

if shes married 1 year after Hijrah there is no way in hell shes married at 9.

Point 3

Asma, Aisha elder sister are 10 years older than her. She died at the age of 100, 73 years after Hijrah. Thats mean Asma are 27 during the Hijrah..how old are Aisha? Do the math.

Point 4

Abu Bakar aishas dad are mentioned by Tabari to have all his 4 children including Aisha born during the pre Islamic period, 13 years before Hijrah. Again do the math,

Point 5

Aisha embrace Islam quite sometimes before Umar Ibnu Khatab and this guy Umar embrace Islam 7 years before Hijrah. Just imagine deduct that 8 years to the alleged 9 years age marriage...what you get? she embrace Islam at the age of 2? Is that logic?

Point 6

Fatima the prophet daughter are 5 years older than Aisha, she born 19 years before Hijrah... so if Aisha married Muhammad 1 year after Hijrah...what her age? math....its all math.

again HULAKU and his airy fairy islamophopic dinggedadeeee got owned...


First about Hz. Ayse ''Aisha'' again

And to guys who start blaming to Islam again and again,we seen kind of things about all countries sadly as you guys remember a man rape his own daughter and locked her for many years so sorry we need to blame all of other people because this or seein people who sellin their own kids even read news about a girl sold her 7 years old sister I doubt you people care about kid.

As a Muslim i am sick and tired about extremists,people who using religion for their own idea about i seen enough if this extremsits etc. are alliedship with some people there is no problem,so seriously what is your offer except blaming to 1.5 billion people who followin this faith,oh i am not proud with this **** heads as i said i prefer killing kind of sick minds with executing em and till they beg for dying even i am not sure they have any idea about Qu'ran or something.

As i read when Turkish delegation went to Yemen at past they were saying people were crying with saying Sultan is Back,Sultan is Back easy to see how they happy with their leaders.

Rest in Peace to kid,i wonder what they gonna do to man.

[Peanut]

Its a barbaric culture and its a barbaric religion, and it will be the downfall of us all if we dont act accordingly.

yeah i said it, call me what you want, most of you know its true.


ISlam the religion of peace. lol. What a joke.
RIP




So these lawmakers want to convey the message that it is in their faith best interest to fvck little children? And you muslims wonder why we give you such a hard time over this.



Ruined the thread.

[gazell]

13 year olds these days arent so small that penetration would cause them to die. At least not here anyway.


Good experience. Does the police know you there?