Hungarian elections

[gazell]

BUDAPEST (AFP) – Hungary's right-wing Fidesz party is looking to return to power in general elections that kick off Sunday, but the far-right party Jobbik should also enter parliament for the first time.
The latest opinion poll published Friday by the daily Nepszabadsag gave Fidesz a massive 62 percent of votes, followed by 20 percent for the Hungarian Socialist Party (MSZP) and 13 percent for Jobbik.
But earlier polls also predicted a second-place finish for the young far-right party, which was created in 2003, ahead of the Socialists.
"Fidesz's victory is certain, the only question is how far the Socialist party will drop and whether Jobbik will get a surprisingly high proportion of the votes", said a European analyst in Budapest.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100410/wl_afp/hungaryvote_20100410112632


It is tomorrow. There is not much to ever post about it as foreign media reports tend to be as far from reality that they are a laugh.


That is one of the main things to criticize about the opposition FIDESZ party set to win, they have no foreign media presence, a bad mistake, I think.


Wish us good luck though.:):)

[breki]

I wish you good luck.

[gazell]

Thank you very much, Breki.:):)

[Babalu]

there was an article about the Jobbik party in one of Norways biggest newspapers. what do you think about them gazell??

[gazell]

there was an article about the Jobbik party in one of Norways biggest newspapers. what do you think about them gazell??

Unless you are high security clearance right now, it is hard to know, but then you couldn't say.

As far as I can see, an artificially created party for deviding the vote on the right that got out of hand a bit.

I would not worry about them a bit if I knew for sure they were not under the control of the currently governing Socialist Party and the NBH (intelligence services), which I do not.

I think anyhow, that if the FIDESZ gets enough majority, all gets under control and forgotten.

[Kaplanr]

Will be following closely from US. Will be visiting Budapest in June, can't say that I appreciate Jobbik's costumes or uniforms - not to mention their uber nationalistic approach to things.


Unless you are high security clearance right now, it is hard to know, but then you couldn't say.

As far as I can see, an artificially created party for deviding the vote on the right that got out of hand a bit.

I would not worry about them a bit if I knew for sure they were not under the control of the currently governing Socialist Party and the NBH (intelligence services), which I do not.

I think anyhow, that if the FIDESZ gets enough majority, all gets under control and forgotten.

[gazell]

Will be following closely from US. Will be visiting Budapest in June, can't say that I appreciate Jobbik's costumes or uniforms - not to mention their uber nationalistic approach to things.

Their costumes is jolly Hungarian folk dancers dress code or orthy Jews for that matter, pictures in foreign media is usually not them.

Disgusting talks though nonetheless. They could become a usefull lefty party instead of the one we have dying, if they can make it though is questionable. Not dangerous at any rate .

[gazell]

An article in English:
http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=19873

So far much higher turnout than expected by opinion polls, which is not good for the opposition by the same pollsters opinion.

[gazell]

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http://www.portfolio.hu/img/upload/2010/04/100411Pollsters.jpg

Chaos

The unprecedented "scandal", as local press labels today’s hottest election-linked event, is that the polling booths have not been closed when they should have been at 19:00 CET. The delay - and the subsequent and even more painful delay in the publishing of the results - was caused by a law amendment that was approved at the end of 2007. According to this law, only a few polling stations were available for those who wanted to vote somewhere else than their place of residence (and requested a certificate for that before).

http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=19874
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[Murus]

I just read it, ca. 1500 people are still waiting, it seems so they will finish by 2.30.
As for the results, nothing unexpected.

[Telmar]

Thanks for the info Gazell, and good luck routing for your team!

I have to say I join Kaplanr's vision of Jobbik. I do not wish them well in these elections.

[gazell]

Thanks for the info Gazell, and good luck routing for your team!

I have to say I join Kaplanr's vision of Jobbik. I do not wish them well in these elections.

Thanks.

The Jobbik is just like Fico's team over there, too much smoke and mirrrors in the media.

[Telmar]

Jobbiks good friends are also in uniform and have interesting maps.:)

[gazell]

I just read it, ca. 1500 people are still waiting, it seems so they will finish by 2.30.
As for the results, nothing unexpected.


Since when did you take to this exhibitionism?:lol::lol:

They are trying to f&ck the elections again, I do not think they can succeed this time.

So do not say unexpected, until it happens, but yes, hopefully so.

[gazell]

Jobbiks good friends are also in uniform and have interesting maps.:)

Well, it's quite all right to have Soviet Union maps, so what's wrong with theirs? They did not murder even a zero person as compared... The guys in Slovakia and all over in question are much more shovenistic and with quite a higher percentage of population support, it all is a media hype of bogyman and part of a 100-year Hungarian extermination project by some, France is high on it, I am afraid. No else to it, than bad press.

[Telmar]

Well, it's quite all right to have Soviet Union maps, so what's wrong with theirs? They did not murder even a zero person as compared... The guys in Slovakia and all over in question are much more shovenistic and with quite a higher percentage of population support, it all is a media hype of bogyman and part of a 100-year Hungarian extermination project by some, France is high on it, I am afraid. No else to it, than bad press.

The SNS is a t something like 6% support now. And they cannot be part of any future coalition after June 13th.

The SNS was in the Slovak government to make money. As this goal was achieved and they have little support left, and no strong political party to back them, they will just use the money stolen from Slovak taxpayers and the EU.

Having territorial claims beyond your nation is not a sign of a sound and civilized society. Especially when 50% of the Hungarians in Slovakia will route for a party that defends belonging in the Slovak Republic.

Fidesz great! Jobbik, "not so much" as Borat would say.

[gazell]

The SNS is a t something like 6% support now. And they cannot be part of any future coalition after June 13th.

The SNS was in the Slovak government to make money. As this goal was achieved and they have little support left, and no strong political party to back them, they will just use the money stolen from Slovak taxpayers and the EU.

Having territorial claims beyond your nation is not a sign of a sound and civilized society. Especially when 50% of the Hungarians in Slovakia will route for a party that defends belonging in the Slovak Republic.

Fidesz great! Jobbik, "not so much" as Borat would say.

Do not take it personal, just talking facts as comparing parties. There are 4.5 half left wing parties in Hungary, as some say and it would be really hard to argue with that. Much more chauvinism all around than in tis country.

[gazell]

Anyhow, some early results coming in:

http://www.hirtv.hu/belfold/?article_hid=316992

[gazell]

I think I dare to open a Tokaji now. Nobody is so far contasting the results. I am happy with them - the socialists could have got less votes, but one can't be greedy too much - also won a lot of bets on this. :lol:

One of the things the article is out of date, the FIDESZ candidate is in lead in 175 places out of 176.woot

http://www.portfolio.hu/en/cikkek.tdp?k=2&i=19876

The Hungarian Parliament has 386 seats, of which 176 MPs will be elected from individual constituencies, 152 MPs from party lists and 58 from the so-called compensatory lists. Based on the party list votes, four parties will be present in the new parliament: Fidesz (52.8% of party list votes), the Socialist party (19.3%), the far-right Jobbik (16.7%), and the liberal green party LMP (7.42%). Among the individual constituencies, in 174 of the 176 places, a Fidesz candidate was in the lead, and 119 Fidesz candidates managed to secure their seats in the first round.

There are 121 parliamentary seats to be distributed on 25 April, the second round of the election.

No second round will be held in seven out of the 19 counties. Fidesz-KDNP won on every single regional list.

http://www.portfolio.hu/img/upload/res/th/100412parl.png (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:void%280%29)Click to enlarge

[gazell]

I just read it, ca. 1500 people are still waiting, it seems so they will finish by 2.30.

This was a real farce. Quite fitting to the 'expert' governance of these brilliant folks to finish with. 'Szabolcs X, the last voter at 01.15, already knew the results, but decided to vote anyway, after 7 hours of waiting with a ticket of No 719.' Unbelievable.


As for the results, nothing unexpected.

Very true, in plenty of respects, however, I'm gonna win a lot about turnout, percentage of Jobbik and LMP performance also possibly on 2/3s of FIDESZ on bets from more than a month before.

[Murus]

The biggest surprise was LMP. I am not against them, I am just saying a party from 'nowhere' made it to the Parliament.

I think we can't blame only the government for the delay: all the parties in the parliament voted for the law which caused this chaos. A lot of people vote away from their home - just think on the students or how many people moved to Budapest because of jobs...

[ozseb]

Fidesz will have (most likely) 2/3 of the seats which means can touch big things such as Constitution, taxation, pension, education->all the major areas on their own, without negotiation.
If they do good, they will go tho heaven.
If they do not do good and follow on the current system, NOONE will stop Jobbik.

They have 4 years, I hope Fidesz will do it!

[gazell]

The biggest surprise was LMP. I am not against them, I am just saying a party from 'nowhere' made it to the Parliament.

Yes. The answer probably is, unfortunately, that they are not from nowhere. However, the MSZP also messed up whilst pushing the SZDSZ and MDF out of Budapest to gain sole left control of the city against FIDESZ, the LMP sneaked in. We shall see.


I think we can't blame only the government for the delay: all the parties in the parliament voted for the law which caused this chaos. A lot of people vote away from their home - just think on the students or how many people moved to Budapest because of jobs...
I'm uncertain that the law itself is the problem. Someone appointed an Election Committee here who cannot or can't be bothered to work out in advance that: if the election is from 6.00-19.00 - where an hour is 60 minutes - and a voter takes about a minute, can several thousands of people vote at one urn/booth within that time.

A member of the Election Committee got to know from the news on telly at 15 minutes to legal closing time of polling stations, that there were big queues. He must have been following the events all day, closely.

[gazell]

Fidesz will have (most likely) 2/3 of the seats which means can touch big things such as Constitution, taxation, pension, education->all the major areas on their own, without negotiation.
If they do good, they will go tho heaven.
If they do not do good and follow on the current system, NOONE will stop Jobbik.

They have 4 years, I hope Fidesz will do it!

I wouldn't be so sure of that. They can stop themselves for a start. By internal disagreements and such like. They are a very eclectic party as it were. I can already see signs of rivalry between Vona and Morvai too.

Then there are the 'non-communist, honest gov' guys, who surely got a big punch but nowhere trodden into the ground. That is obvious, they are not democrats and cannot accept a defeat by vote. Thinking that they won't 'fight' in all manners and ways possible is naive. Supposing and not knowing that they are not the same guys, it remains to be seen how much this new party can fight the built in post-communist moles and agents.

Thirdly, the FIDESZ will deliver.p-)

[gazell]

I might be talking to myself now here, but anyhow. So it seems, the FIDESZ is going out full force for 2/3 now. Obviously, it is not a big fight, so might as well, on the other hand, practically they would have it going by the talks of other parties in votes. That also tells me, they are not trusting any opposition party on their talks to be taken seriously.p-)

If that would turn out right to the voting public, they practically, would have no opposition...:lol::lol::lol:

[Connaught Ranger]

I might be talking to myself now here, but anyhow. So it seems, the FIDESZ is going out full force for 2/3 now. Obviously, it is not a big fight, so might as well, on the other hand, practically they would have it going by the talks of other parties in votes. That also tells me, they are not trusting any opposition party on their talks to be taken seriously.p-)

If that would turn out right to the voting public, they practically, would have no opposition...:lol::lol::lol:

With 16 posts in only two pages you are definatly writing to yourself . . . . . . .woot rofl :lol:

[gazell]

With 16 posts in only two pages you are definatly writing to yourself . . . . . . .woot rofl :lol:

You just pretend now, you have not read or replied to it.

Where do you get this duckie from, by the way, I thought it was rather distinct to parts of Derbyshire?

[Connaught Ranger]

You just pretend now, you have not read or replied to it.

Where do you get this duckie from, by the way, I thought it was rather distinct to parts of Derbyshire?

Well its very common to parts of Nottinghamshire, my birth homeland!woot

[gazell]

Well its very common to parts of Nottinghamshire, my birth homeland!woot

Thanks, I didn't know that.

[gazell]

Refreshingly enough, some more realistic and sober reporting on the event in Western media:

'"You have to view these results in a European context," said Fidesz leader and prime minister elect Victor Orban. "The election results prove that Hungary is a European nation, with a democracy strong enough to defend it."

Orban added: "The best prescription we can offer the Hungarian people is good government. I am convinced that better management of the government will lead to a weakening of the extreme right."

Peter Feldmajer, president of the Federation of Jewish Communities in Hungary, told Haaretz in an interview that while Jobbik's election success was worrying, there was little chance of the extreme right taking control in Hungary.

"Of course, it is deeply concerning that a fascist party has been able to penetrate the Hungarian parliament," Feldmajer said. "But in my opinion it does not represent a danger that the party and its ideology will gain influence on government." '

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162706.html
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[gazell]

The 2/3 of the FIDESZ seems to be done now.

http://www.hirtv.net/

At 90% of data processed, there might be 1 independent and 2 socialist MPs getting into parliament from individual constituencies.