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ATV
04-11-2010, 12:40 PM
Arrogant Obama alienates friend (http://www.dailypioneer.com/248392/Arrogant-Obama-alienates-friends.html)s




When Prime Minister Manmohan Singh sits with the assembled world leaders at the Nuclear Security Conference in Washington, DC, he should ponder over one notable absentee: Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Once the US’s most steadfast ally and a country with which it enjoyed a ‘special relationship’, Israel’s relationship with Washington has taken a precipitate nosedive.

There are many who will undoubtedly view Netanyahu’s absence to Israeli evasion over its nuclear ambivalence. This may undoubtedly be a factor but Israel has in the past faced this ticklish question with a combination of deft diplomacy and nationalist brazenness. What is different about today’s Washington that made the otherwise pugnacious Netanyahu opt out of an important international gathering (although Israel will be nominally represented)?

The answer is simple: President Barack Obama.

In the past few months the international grapevine has been buzzing with tales of a new, abrasive style of diplomacy that has become the signature tune of the Obama Administration. It may have been understandable if this departure from niceties had been confined to dealings with countries such as Iran and Venezuela that don’t miss any opportunity to take side swipes at the US. Intriguingly, Obama appears to have reserved his acid tongue for those who are considered close allies of the US.

It would not be inaccurate to suggest that the Israeli Prime Minister, the only representative of a vibrant democracy in the region, was sought to be wilfully browbeaten by Obama in the White House during their meeting in March. It is said that much of Obama’s impatience stems from the perception of Netanyahu as a sympathiser of the Republicans on Capitol Hill. If so, it suggests that the American President has a misplaced sense of his own intellectual superiority and a heightened sense of liberal intolerance. There was just no way that the thorny issue of East Jerusalem which Israel, with some justification, considers an integral part of its national Capital, was going to be resolved in one meaningful sitting at either the White House or Camp David. That Obama could actually believe it could suggests a rough-and-ready approach to diplomacy which may soon begin to irk even the friends of the US.

Nor was Obama’s peremptoriness limited to Netanyahu. On March 28, Obama made a sudden visit to Kabul, partly to cheer American forces stationed there and partly to confer with President Hamid Karzai. According to reports carefully leaked by the American side, Obama read Karzai the proverbial riot act. He is said to have told him that the US found his style of governance quite unacceptable and the levels of corruption well beyond the threshold of tolerance. He was told to shape up or ship out.

Obama’s sharp tongue lashing hasn’t gone down well in Afghanistan. Karzai has rightly been offended by Obama’s discourtesy and has lost no opportunity to lash out at the West. He has sought to befriend Iran, caution the US against any unilateral offensive on Kandahar and even let it be known that sheer exasperation with American arrogance may drive him into the arms of the Taliban. The US has hit back by calling Karzai’s mental stability into question and even hinting that he is suffering the effects of hallucinatory drugs. Rarely has the relationship between two allies plummeted to such incredible depths.

For all practical purposes the US has said its triple talaq to Karzai. The question is: When will the elected Afghan President be replaced by a compliant nominee of the US and its outsourced partner, Pakistan?

It is being said that the political unilateralism that marked the passage of the Health Care legislation through Congress has taken hold of Obama. From being the genial representative of a new, less divisive political culture, the US President appears to have evolved into an evangelical crusader - pursuing that which he regards is right. It’s an approach that may work in the US, although even that is debatable, but there are other civilisations where everything is not always divided into black and white, and where old world courtesies do play a role.

Not everything about Karzai is digestible but then, democracy and Afghanistan are not the most compatible of partners. To assess the world through the prism of the political correctness of liberal America is unwise. It suggests an ideological arrogance that could rebound on the US. Obama wants to get out of Afghanistan fast. But why pick on Karzai to facilitate the process? Will a handpicked nominee of Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani in Kabul’s Presidential Palace be a better bet?

These are concerns that the Indian Prime Minister should bear in mind during his US visit. It has now emerged that it was a peremptory Obama directive to get India and Pakistan to improve relations that was a factor behind the useless meeting of Foreign Secretaries last month. Whether India chooses to engage with Pakistan after Islamabad’s foot-dragging over the 26/11 culprits is not a matter that should be of obsessive concern to the White House. Of course, the US can give its suggestions but paying heed to the White House’s ‘directive’ diplomacy will not be appreciated within India. This may explain why the US-India bonhomie that surrounded the passage of the nuclear deal has been replaced by a climate of suspicion which, if allowed to fester, could so easily turn into hostility.

How Obama chooses to turn his machismo into political advantage in his battle with the Republicans is a matter best left to the American voters. It is of academic concern to India. But when this combativeness is transferred to the global stage and, furthermore, is accompanied by gratuitous discourtesy, it is time for a country like India to consider diplomatic alternatives to over-dependence on the US. The experiences of Netanyahu and Karzai are clear writings on the wall.

Whats your opinion ??

Hollis
04-11-2010, 12:42 PM
I have heard that the DC crowd is very arrogant. Not from the normal group of suspects, but from some high ranking Oregon Democrats.

Victor1
04-11-2010, 12:53 PM
I think he's arrogant alright, specially towards Brittain, which the biggest and most reliable ally the US has ever had since its birth as a country. Even Bush while being mentally chalenged was still a better president when it came to maintaining good relationshipis with America's allies.

happyslapper
04-11-2010, 01:01 PM
Israel, don't be too downhearted. You're not the only one who's been let down by your 'friend' to the west lately. Bide your time, make do without.

socom6
04-11-2010, 01:14 PM
Even my country is been isolated by this guy and they all love him down here lol.

deagle
04-11-2010, 01:16 PM
no source, no sense

hey, if he wants to continue to bring us closer to the elite of the world, and you don't wanna come along for the ride, its just lonelier at the top

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ELITISM

geckosp
04-11-2010, 01:16 PM
As much as i know american unconditional (de facto) support of Israel has alienated the rest of the world more than US own policies. same goes for Karzai. Many view his corrupt goverment as the main source of antagonism towards the US...

Darklord
04-11-2010, 01:16 PM
Don't know if this has anything to do with the matter being discussed, but here is a news item that caught my attention today.



As US gathers support to impose fresh sanctions on Iran over its controversial nuclear programme, India on Saturday made clear its opposition to such a step, saying it would not solve the problem.

At the same time, India wants Iran to work with UN nuclear watchdog IAEA to convince the world that it is not seeking nuclear weapons as claimed by it.

India opposes sanctions as it feels that these only impact common people.NDTV (http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/india-opposes-fresh-sanctions-against-iran-19682.php)


Also, PM Manmohan Singh said (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/weekinreview/11giridharadas.html):

“This may be my last visit to you during your presidency,” Mr. Singh told Mr. Bush in Washington in September 2008, “and let me say, Thank you very much. The people of India deeply love you.”I laughed it off at that time. In retrospect, now I find myself nodding in agreement. Am I alone?

Panchito12
04-11-2010, 03:09 PM
I have heard that the DC crowd is very arrogant. Not from the normal group of suspects, but from some high ranking Oregon Democrats.

Let me correct you there homeboy, 'cause you don't live here.

The DC political/uber-educated/northeastern elite crowd is arrogant, materialistic, and willing to whore their mom for chump-change of temporary power.

But within that crowd, the real scum are the Democratic types (and I'm not just saying that because I'm a GOP fan, it's real).

Now inside that group of Democrats one finds the equivalent of toe fungus - the absolutely God-awful scum which are the leftist, kumbayah, pro-abortion, non-Christian, surrender to Bin Laden, ****** deviant Marxist granola bunch.

But even they are now pointing the finger at what they consider the infidels of the Earth: The so-called "Chicago Crowd".

That's DC's nickname for Obama and his people.

LineDoggie
04-11-2010, 03:15 PM
no source, no sense
The Link (Source) was in the Headline in blue. Took all of 1 second to find it.

Breakfast in Vegas
04-11-2010, 03:15 PM
Obama is too arrogant.

Obama is too cuddly soft.

So what is he?!

LineDoggie
04-11-2010, 03:30 PM
And to the Original Topic, yes to a certain extent

He has treated the UK and Israel in a shabby manner.

I know many of the UK Posters dont like Gordon Brown, but he does represent you, and for Obama to snub him publically, snubs all of you and the decades upon decades of Anglo-American cooperation.

He's done similar with Israel, and Netanyahu

That is wrong, and it is petty of Obama and his handlers.

Hollis
04-11-2010, 03:32 PM
Let me correct you there homeboy, 'cause you don't live here.

The DC political/uber-educated/northeastern elite crowd is arrogant, materialistic, and willing to whore their mom for chump-change of temporary power.

But within that crowd, the real scum are the Democratic types (and I'm not just saying that because I'm a GOP fan, it's real).

Now inside that group of Democrats one finds the equivalent of toe fungus - the absolutely God-awful scum which are the leftist, kumbayah, pro-abortion, non-Christian, surrender to Bin Laden, ****** deviant Marxist granola bunch.

But even they are now pointing the finger at what they consider the infidels of the Earth: The so-called "Chicago Crowd".

That's DC's nickname for Obama and his people.

And how did you say anything different? BTW, GOP ain't no different. (as a group)

happyslapper
04-11-2010, 03:36 PM
He has treated the UK and Israel in a shabby manner.

I know many of the UK Posters dont like Gordon Brown, but he does represent you, and for Obama to snub him publically, snubs all of you and the decades upon decades of Anglo-American cooperation.

I think most Britons realise that the political closeness betweeen the UK and US is still there, even if it has veered slightly.

I admit I was one of those rooting for Obama. I thought he would be a fresh start for Americans, and give them a chance to realise many of the more backward aspects of US society. I still believe that can happen, but it's come at the detriment of many of the things that makes America American, and to the detriment of the traditions of friendship that have been a political lifeline to the US and it's allies over recent years.

I'm still hopeful for what can be achieved, but am hoping that someone more traditional will take over in a couple of years.

gaijinsamurai
04-11-2010, 03:40 PM
No doubt, Obama is arrogant. Very arrogant, in fact. But to not mention the enormous arrogance of Netanyahu makes me question the author's credibility.

Breakfast in Vegas
04-11-2010, 03:46 PM
I think most Britons realise that the political closeness betweeen the UK and US is still there, even if it has veered slightly.

I admit I was one of those rooting for Obama. I thought he would be a fresh start for Americans, and give them a chance to realise many of the more backward aspects of US society. I still believe that can happen, but it's come at the detriment of many of the things that makes America American, and to the detriment of the traditions of friendship that have been a political lifeline to the US and it's allies over recent years.

I'm still hopeful for what can be achieved, but am hoping that someone more traditional will take over in a couple of years.End result of the last 16 or so years of American politics is an entirely confused view of what America is and more importantly, what America wants to accomplish with its politics.

No wonder most of the world is frustrated with America. It's ad hoc politics, a curse that has plagued America throughout much of its history. In the Cold War era, with a clear enemy and threat, this was less apparent. Since the Cold War ended, it is even difficult for American politicians to identify America's stand on issues and political course.

Panchito12
04-11-2010, 03:46 PM
And how did you say anything different? BTW, GOP ain't no different. (as a group)

I did say that youll find a "political/uber-educated/northeastern elite crowd is arrogant, materialistic, and willing to whore their mom for chump-change of temporary power." Both parties are there.

But there is a huge difference inside that group - the GOP does not have that substrata that one commonly finds under the gum at the bottom of my shoe. That's the sole domain of the Dems.

Come & work in DC and you'll recognize the difference.

Nano
04-11-2010, 03:52 PM
Alienation of both Israel and Britain is politically motivated by the political positions of both country's leadership. Alienation is strategically beneficial for Israel and Britain at this point in time. The real indicator of any "alienation" would be the complete and utter end of military aid and assistance to Israel in every way shape or form. This is just build up diplomatically for Israel to strike Iran and give us the opportunity to claim ignorance and wipe our hands clean of giving them the wink in the backroom. It would also make it inconvenient for Iran to target our forces in retaliation to an Israeli strike since we were not aware "involved" in the attack. This works out great for Israel and the U.S. even if Iran decides to target our forces we can counter-attack with impunity given that it would appear as simply an act of self defense on our part. Obama is a few things, but arrogant and ignorant is not one of them. Bush was the same and played the role of the "stupid one" all the way through his terms getting his way one way or another or as a result of playing it off so well.

gaijinsamurai
04-11-2010, 04:03 PM
I did say that youll find a "political/uber-educated/northeastern elite crowd is arrogant, materialistic, and willing to whore their mom for chump-change of temporary power." Both parties are there.

But there is a huge difference inside that group - the GOP does not have that substrata that one commonly finds under the gum at the bottom of my shoe. That's the sole domain of the Dems.

Come & work in DC and you'll recognize the difference.

They both seemed pretty bad during the Clinton/Gingrich years. I haven't been in DC since the '90s, so I guess I really can't comment on how things are nowadays.

Glaz
04-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Alienation of both Israel and Britain is politically motivated by the political positions of both country's leadership. Alienation is strategically beneficial for Israel and Britain at this point in time. The real indicator of any "alienation" would be the complete and utter end of military aid and assistance to Israel in every way shape or form. This is just build up diplomatically for Israel to strike Iran and give us the opportunity to claim ignorance and wipe our hands clean of giving them the wink in the backroom. It would also make it inconvenient for Iran to target our forces in retaliation to an Israeli strike since we were not aware "involved" in the attack. This works out great for Israel and the U.S. even if Iran decides to target our forces we can counter-attack with impunity given that it would appear as simply an act of self defense on our part. Obama is a few things, but arrogant and ignorant is not one of them. Bush was the same and played the role of the "stupid one" all the way through his terms getting his way one way or another or as a result of playing it off so well.Plausible theory, at least in respect that the supposed cooling off of relations is merely a public spectacle, for arab/muslim consumption. I dunno how likely an actual military attack on Iran is. I suspect not very.

Panchito12
04-11-2010, 04:29 PM
They both seemed pretty bad during the Clinton/Gingrich years. I haven't been in DC since the '90s, so I guess I really can't comment on how things are nowadays.

It was great during Reagan/Bush I. But the Clintonistas decided to pull a big yank in their direction - mind you that they think that once they pull left any attempt to go back to the center/right is somehow "taking away your rights". In response to the Clintonistas, Newt overyanked to the right. Bush II never allowed it to go return fully to the center his father had maintained, and the "Chicago Crowd" wants to pull left even farther than the Clintonistas.

In the absence of a cohesive GOP in Gongress it has then falled upon the lap of the gov employees to keep check on the "Chicago Crowd".

gaijinsamurai
04-11-2010, 05:08 PM
I was there during Bush I (1990), and it was indeed good then.


I could stand neither the Clintons nor Gingrich and his folks, and really was not looking forward to another Billary Presidency, despite Hillary's qualifications and Obama's lack thereof.

Russianlynxy
04-11-2010, 05:33 PM
ok so wait a second...

neocons aren't arrogant?

Hollis
04-11-2010, 05:41 PM
Come & work in DC and you'll recognize the difference.


golly Gee, I don't know if my John Deere tractor knows how to get out of the hollar that I live in. Is it true the roads are paved there?




In the absence of a cohesive GOP in Gongress it has then falled upon the lap of the gov employees to keep check on the "Chicago Crowd".

Yep, another group that sometimes challenges the D's for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

JJC
04-11-2010, 05:46 PM
Alienation of both Israel and Britain is politically motivated by the political positions of both country's leadership. Alienation is strategically beneficial for Israel and Britain at this point in time. The real indicator of any "alienation" would be the complete and utter end of military aid and assistance to Israel in every way shape or form. This is just build up diplomatically for Israel to strike Iran and give us the opportunity to claim ignorance and wipe our hands clean of giving them the wink in the backroom. It would also make it inconvenient for Iran to target our forces in retaliation to an Israeli strike since we were not aware "involved" in the attack. This works out great for Israel and the U.S. even if Iran decides to target our forces we can counter-attack with impunity given that it would appear as simply an act of self defense on our part. Obama is a few things, but arrogant and ignorant is not one of them. Bush was the same and played the role of the "stupid one" all the way through his terms getting his way one way or another or as a result of playing it off so well. Obama not arrogant? You could feel the arrogance in his body language and anytime he opens his mouth. Do you really think the Iranians or leaders in the Arab world are that stupid to be "fooled" by this master conspiracy between U.S. U.K. and Israel? And how would your theory work out if Israel attacks but needs U.S. assistance to handle Iran's retaliation? Will Obama continue to with the "act" and not get involved, so Ahmadinijad doesn't suspect U.S. involvement?
Karzai was the same old corrupt leader under the Bush administration, but there was never this much tension in the public.
Comes Obama with his billion promises and zero experience in diplomacy and after a single visit to Kabul, pisses off Karzai. Obama surrounded himself with cut-throat advisers and thinks that he can push leaders like Karzai into transforming Afghanistan overnight. All he has on his mind is a quick pullout of our troops. It is said that the bureaucrats at State Department are always ignored by the Executive Branch, so who is the "mastermind" orchestrating Obama's style of diplomacy right now?

Derbedeu
04-11-2010, 06:04 PM
I think he's arrogant alright, specially towards Brittain, which the biggest and most reliable ally the US has ever had since its birth as a country. Even Bush while being mentally chalenged was still a better president when it came to maintaining good relationshipis with America's allies.

No, actually that would be France.

CPL Trevoga
04-11-2010, 10:38 PM
We had people who got E-4 becoming very arrogant and he is half-white man, from modest background, who became the President of the US. I think little bit of arrogance is due.



It was great during Reagan/Bush I. But the Clintonistas decided to pull a big yank in their direction - mind you that they think that once they pull left any attempt to go back to the center/right is somehow "taking away your rights". In response to the Clintonistas, Newt overyanked to the right. Bush II never allowed it to go return fully to the center his father had maintained, and the "Chicago Crowd" wants to pull left even farther than the Clintonistas.

In the absence of a cohesive GOP in Gongress it has then falled upon the lap of the gov employees to keep check on the "Chicago Crowd".

Please, Regan was an actor. An actor. Man had no substance and was just a puppet. Current economic crisis is the legacy of his reckless economic and fiscal policy.

qsceszwsx
04-12-2010, 03:28 AM
I find it funny how almost every country on the planet thinks they have a special relationship with the United States , lol and im Canadian

IconOfEvi
04-12-2010, 05:12 AM
And its funny how we think everyone is our friends when they just abuse us and then expect hugz

Billy No Mates
04-12-2010, 05:19 AM
And its funny how we think everyone is our friends when they just abuse us and then expect hugz

Ahhhh didums....poor ickle you .

Motukka
04-12-2010, 06:54 AM
ok so wait a second...

neocons aren't arrogant?

No. Not at all. They are very friendly and diplomatic towards their allies. But the allies should remember not to question the US and do exactly as they are told, lest they risk being labeled as old Europe or something else to that effect. :-)

budgie
04-12-2010, 07:14 AM
Name a president who has never been accused of arrogance. That's what the 'leader of the free world' always gets. Can't please everyone.

11 Bravo
04-12-2010, 09:01 AM
. I think little bit of arrogance is due.




Please, Regan was an actor. An actor. Man had no substance and was just a puppet. Current economic crisis is the legacy of his reckless economic and fiscal policy.



A little bit O' arrogance is due you say.... what ya been smokin ?.

So where you in uniform furing the Reagan years ?... I was you know not what you spew about. The policies causing this latest hump ORIGINATE with guys like DODD , Balogney frank , Rahm Emmanuel , and Giethner.... these are the guys that allowed rules to be sidestepped and pushed for making loans to those whom could not possibly pay them off etc etc.Your arrogance shows through with your propaganda.

LineDoggie
04-12-2010, 09:32 AM
Please, Regan was an actor. An actor. Man had no substance and was just a puppet. Current economic crisis is the legacy of his reckless economic and fiscal policy. Which is it, mister confused?

First he's arrogant because he was an actor, but then he was a Puppet? Which is it and who was he a Puppet for?

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h222/linedoggie/crack-is-whack300.jpg

Hollis
04-12-2010, 09:54 AM
Name a president who has never been accused of arrogance. That's what the 'leader of the free world' always gets. Can't please everyone.


I would probably say Carter. Other problem is, from the view out here there is a panic starting, not the tea party people but among the D's. The drop in popularity. CNN have blasted Obama, Pelosi and other D's, why the CNN switch? I think November is going to be interesting and probably like the R's going into the 2004 election, some D's are worried there is some kind of back lash happening.

toad
04-12-2010, 10:04 AM
Oama was always viewed by many as a narcissist, and a growing crowd of World Leaders and Americans note his arrogance.


Every administration has friends and foes, but the Obama administration seems to have adopted Obama's personal prejudices as policies. Domestically, it is one thing to be partisan. Abroad though, he his diplomacy is lacking.

Nations like India, France, Britain, Israel, Russia etc... are so far giving him some slack. Another year of this type of arrogance and we will have less enthusiastic allies abroad. At home, his numbers show that his popularity is dropping.

Rictor
04-12-2010, 10:55 AM
Not assenting immediately and unconditionally to every Israeli demand = arrogance.

Right? Just want to make sure we're clear on this. Because it's well known that the proper role of the US is to never question Israeli policy but merely to nod vigorously like the little dog in the Warner Bros cartoons.

Wahnsinn
04-12-2010, 01:48 PM
American presidents always appear arrogant as American policy is arrogant. This whole "Leader of the Free World" thing isn't something a lot of people around the world want. I don't understand why America feels the need to intervene in other countries affairs (of course, there are exceptions) other than to appease the voters back home.

I also find the whole "British snub" thing funny because before, a lot of people just moaned that the UK was America's bitch but when they snub us, it is a great insult. People can't decide. I suppose that is the nature of international relations though, we don't want to be seen to be too close but we want the safety net they provide. I fall into that catergory to be honest. I'm not a fan of American foreign policy but without America's support, Britain wouldn't be what it is today.

Atlantic Friend
04-12-2010, 02:07 PM
One day Obama's alleged arrogance humiliates foreign countries, the next his alleged servility belittles America in the eyes of the world. He bows too low on Monday, and come Tuesday apparently stands too tall...

Could it be that the one mortal sin he really committed was to win the election? ;)

Atlantic Friend
04-12-2010, 02:12 PM
No. Not at all. They are very friendly and diplomatic towards their allies. But the allies should remember not to question the US and do exactly as they are told, lest they risk being labeled as old Europe or something else to that effect. :-)

To be honest, and I'll say it as one unabashed Old European, the part about allies better not questioning too much and jumping where and when told to seems to be a constant in US politics. At least the Neo-conservatives had a rather logical doctrine to justify it, from their point of view. Far from being intellectual bozos, the neocons were/are pretty solid thinkers - which, of course, makes some of their positions all the more surprising.

Royal
04-12-2010, 03:06 PM
I also find the whole "British snub" thing funny because before, a lot of people just moaned that the UK was America's bitch but when they snub us, it is a great insult. People can't decide.

I couldn't give a toss about 'snubbing' Broon. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

What does grip my **** is Hillary 'I dodged sniper fire in Tuzla' Clinton telling us we need to negotiate over the future of the Falklands. Personally I'd have told her to get her ugly ass off Diego Garcia and Ascenion toot sweet...


but without America's support, Britain wouldn't be what it is today.

Indeed, we'd be driving on the left and speaking German...

gaijinsamurai
04-12-2010, 03:53 PM
What does grip my **** is Hillary 'I dodged sniper fire in Tuzla' Clinton telling us we need to negotiate over the future of the Falklands. Personally I'd have told her to get her ugly ass off Diego Garcia and Ascenion toot sweet...
...


If I were British i would tell her to kiss my arse for that remark. Hell, just as a veteran, it offends me.

Derbedeu
04-12-2010, 03:55 PM
Indeed, we'd be driving on the left and speaking German...


Eh.... Das klingt nicht allzu schlecht.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3129/tongue2.gif (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/tongue2.gif/)

Flagg
04-12-2010, 04:16 PM
I couldn't give a toss about 'snubbing' Broon. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

What does grip my **** is Hillary 'I dodged sniper fire in Tuzla' Clinton telling us we need to negotiate over the future of the Falklands. Personally I'd have told her to get her ugly ass off Diego Garcia and Ascenion toot sweet...



Indeed, we'd be driving on the left and speaking German...

I'm really not sure why Clinton is chiming in with that unless maybe it's a diplomatic ploy to get US energy companies a piece of the exploration/development/production action?

The good news is that the threat of even a single SSN, a 6-pack of Eurofighters, and a few companies of Royal Marines pretty much means the UK can give everyone the one finger salute.

Reaper17
04-12-2010, 04:20 PM
Arrogant Obama is arrogant. He's running our country into the ground.

CPL Trevoga
04-12-2010, 08:20 PM
A little bit O' arrogance is due you say.... what ya been smokin ?.

So where you in uniform furing the Reagan years ?... I was you know not what you spew about. The policies causing this latest hump ORIGINATE with guys like DODD , Balogney frank , Rahm Emmanuel , and Giethner.... these are the guys that allowed rules to be sidestepped and pushed for making loans to those whom could not possibly pay them off etc etc.Your arrogance shows through with your propaganda.

You see, the problem did not just surfaced overnight. With Regan, began the transfer of American jobs to China and stripping of wealth of the American middle class. You might want to read this http://billsandiego.blogspot.com/2008/10/derivatives-explained.html I find this guy less mind numbing than the rest.


Which is it, mister confused?

First he's arrogant because he was an actor, but then he was a Puppet? Which is it and who was he a Puppet for?


You too quick to jump the gun buddy. I did not say anything about Regan being arrogant, all I said that he was a front man, as he lacked the real qualifications to run the country. As a former actor, he was good with presentation part, but that was about all. It's a known fact that his aids did all the work and made most of the decisions, as Regan focused on the "big things." Puppet is a fitting name for such an arrangement.

Glaz
04-12-2010, 08:47 PM
The seventies seemed a series of unfortunate events for American pride. Regan, front man or otherwise, he was good for one thing, he gave us back our ballsies.

Hollis
04-12-2010, 09:04 PM
The seventies seemed a series of unfortunate events for American pride. Regan, front man or otherwise, he was good for one thing, he gave us back our ballsies.


When he came to office in 1981, the economy was suffering from the recession that went full speed in late 1979. What he did do and something Obama should have done, IMHO, was talk with confidence on the economy. Other than that, I am some where in CPL Trevoga camp. I think the power was behind Reagan.