Pushed by China, Tibetans leave Nepal

[Ordie]

Analysis: Pushed by China, Tibetans leave Nepal

Political instability, economic uncertainty and pressure from China bear down on one of world's most vulnerable populations.
By Greg Bruno — Special to GlobalPost
Published: April 12, 2010 06:18 ET
HYANGJA, Nepal — In one corner of the Tashi Palkhel Tibetan nursery school here, giant alphabet cards gather dust near the chalkboard against the wall. On top of the refrigerator, a yellow toy truck sits idle. Puzzles, counting games, and action figures — worn from years of use — are ignored by the few students remaining in this tiny three-room school house.
It’s not that the nursery school in this moderate-sized refugee camp, 120 miles west of Kathmandu, is bursting at the seams with toys, or that the children remaining are reluctant to play. Instead, the inactivity is emblematic of larger trends sweeping Tibetan settlements across Nepal’s Himalayan mountain chain: lower birth rates, fewer marriages, and above all, a rush for the exits.
“Next two years, maybe we have to close the kindergarten because there just are not enough students,” says Pema Chodon, 39, who runs this camp’s all-Tibetan nursery school. “Due to fewer married people there are fewer children,” she says. “No future, no children.
“And no children,” she adds, “no future.”
Five decades ago, tens of thousands of Tibetan refugees fled Chinese-ruled Tibet, following their spiritual leader, the 14th Dalai Lama, into exile. Many went to India, where they were given refuge and land by New Delhi; some stayed here, in the then-Himalayan kingdom of Nepal, under a similar arrangement.
But as years turn into decades, exiles, advocates, and international observers say government instability in Nepal, along with increased economic uncertainty and heavy political pressure from China, is bearing down on one of the world’s most vulnerable populations.
Official numbers are hard to come by, but in more than two dozen interviews across Nepal in recent weeks, the story was the same: Tibetans are leaving the refuge they’ve called home since 1959.
The steep drop in student enrollment at camps like Tashi Palkhel — home to roughly 800 Tibetans refugees — tells the story. Since 1997, the number of children under 5 at the camp’s nursery has dropped 65 percent, according to camp records. Today there are just 30. At the nearby Tashi Ling Tibetan Settlement, which houses about 500 refugees, the number of school aged children has declined by nearly a tenth in the last two years.
But the biggest population slide, according to Yeshi Choedon, Tashi Ling’s secretary, is among men and women of marrying age. In the last three years, 14 percent of Tibetans at the smaller camp between 18 and 32 left the settlement, she said. Some headed south to India, though most went west, to the United States and Canada.
That Tibetans are leaving Nepal is not a uniquely Tibetan phenomenon. But the attention paid to the Tibetan exile community by China, a chief Nepalese benefactor and constant presence in Kathmandu’s political calculations, means Tibetans are increasingly vulnerable, experts say. As Nepal’s Tibetan population prepared to celebrate the 51st anniversary of their failed uprising against the People’s Republic of China last month, dozens of undocumented Tibetans were swept up in random raids, including one sweep that netted 13 as they ate noodles in a touristy section of town.
Continued:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/worldview/100330/china-tibetans-nepal

[Alex G]

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[Jobu]

Since the invasion there's a been a program of ethnic cleansing.
Replace the Tibetans with Han Chinese.

It's no suprise that some of the displaced are now seeking to leave their refugee camps in Nepal. They see the writing on the wall now. They cannot go home because a Han family is probably living there so they may as well try to start a new life elsewhere.

[JJHH]

Fvck China's government.

[pg_ord]

WTH? add a few hundred thousand more to 1.1 Billion...doesn't change a thing.

[creativeUsername]

WTH? add a few hundred thousand more to 1.1 Billion...doesn't change a thing.

Its the fact that all the Tibetans, however few there are compared to China, live in a single concentrated area and they have the majority, by moving in the Han Chinese the Chinese government is in a sense diluting the Tibetan population there and the social influence that the Tibetans have in the region so it dosent look like the government is oppressing them.

[hulaku]

Its the fact that all the Tibetans, however few there are compared to China, live in a single concentrated area and they have the majority, by moving in the Han Chinese the Chinese government is in a sense diluting the Tibetan population there and the social influence that the Tibetans have in the region so it dosent look like the government is oppressing them.

I thing what pg_ord meant was that these Tibetians are welcome to come to India.p-)

[Eventine]

Its the fact that all the Tibetans, however few there are compared to China, live in a single concentrated area and they have the majority, by moving in the Han Chinese the Chinese government is in a sense diluting the Tibetan population there and the social influence that the Tibetans have in the region so it dosent look like the government is oppressing them.

Didn't clone already address this point in an earlier thread? Independent research by third-party observers shows that there hasn't been a program of active population swamping in Tibet, and that Tibetans remain the majority in their own land. What there is, however, is systematic oppression in the form of surveillance, censorship, and targeted arrests of dissidents suspected to be loyal to the Dalai Lama.

[Confuse]

Since the invasion there's a been a program of ethnic cleansing.
Replace the Tibetans with Han Chinese.

It's no suprise that some of the displaced are now seeking to leave their refugee camps in Nepal. They see the writing on the wall now. They cannot go home because a Han family is probably living there so they may as well try to start a new life elsewhere.




there was a push for ideological and social communism monopoly from 1950-1979 but that effect all of china not just targeting tibetans, the current repression is one of religious adherence to a political rival the dalai lama and the exile lama class..

an "ethnic cleansing" would be more like the root the west took in the colonization over the natives in north america, using the word genocide and ethnic cleansing isn't accurate to the real situation on the ground.. much of the han influx to the tibetan plateau are migrants looking for seasonal work and many stay a few months of the year before moving elsewhere, there isn't a government policy for tibetan replacement, other then natural population migration tibet i don't see a policy set in place other wise it would have been the case ever since 1951 and after 50 years there would be a han majority and not a tibetan one

[theholeinthedonut]

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Quite a retarded post.

[Alex G]

Quite a retarded post.

It shows how much new information we got in this tread - none.

[hulaku]

It shows how much new information we got in this tread - none.

So you already knew that Tibetans are leaving Nepal and moving to other places? I am sure most of the members of mpnet did not.

And if you are not interested in a thread just stay away.

[hulaku]

Independent research by third-party observers shows that there hasn't been a program of active population swamping in Tibet,

Independent third party observers in Tibet? You are seriously giving me the LOLs.

When foreigners are not allowed free access to most parts of Tibet you expect us to believe that?

[cn_habs]

Independent third party observers in Tibet? You are seriously giving me the LOLs.

When foreigners are not allowed free access to most parts of Tibet you expect us to believe that?

Believe whatever you want. How do you explain the fact that the native population has increased over the years?

On a sidenote, the Tibetans' living standards including care given to infants are still higher than some of you may think, especially compared with some neighboring countries. That's not really ethnic cleansing. :)

[pg_ord]

Believe whatever you want. How do you explain the fact that the native population has increased over the years?

On a sidenote, the Tibetans' living standards including care given to infants are still higher than some of you may think, especially compared with some neighboring countries. That's not really ethnic cleansing. :)
Shanghai Statistics...... which study shows that?
unfortunately the media policing by government makes every single study done (including anti china ones) questionable.

[Delay]

Believe whatever you want. How do you explain the fact that the native population has increased over the years?


Sorry but who took those statistics?

[cn_habs]

China abolished theocracy and controls the TAR like any other provinces in China. Most importantly, they implemented HOSPITALS AND ELECTRICITY. The majority of the population went from being a slave deprived of healthcare and rights in a "medieval age" as the Nazis have put it to a civilized tightly controled administrative region. As long as they don't rebel and start killing innocent civilians in broad daylight, the government has no interest in ethnic cleansing or kicking them out of the country. Some decided to leave on their own will because of various reasons but compared with the total population of Tibetans, they are meaningless.

I don't believe there are stats not done by the Chinese or the Tibetan government in exile unfortunately. I agree that both parties are biased for sure.

[Eventine]

Independent third party observers in Tibet? You are seriously giving me the LOLs.

When foreigners are not allowed free access to most parts of Tibet you expect us to believe that?

Accusations of information blackout are a two-edged blade. If you don't know what's not going on in Tibet, then you also don't know what is going on in Tibet. But in this case, neither is true - reports of oppression are coming out of Tibet all the time, indicating that the information clinch is far from air-tight. China is not North Korea, and Tibet had been open to the outside world for quite some time until the 2008 riots. If you want to claim that the outside world knows nothing about what happens in Tibet, then you had better explain why US reporters - much less intelligence agents - were able to film, in real-time, the 2008 riots as they were going on.

[hulaku]

China abolished theocracy
And imposed Maocracy and the Cultural Revolution


and controls the TAR like any other provinces in China. Oh really. A foreigner can roam about freely in Guangdong province. Not the same for Tibet. Tibet is not treated like other Han dominated provinces. I also guess Tibet is on its way to a Han majority and then maybe things would change.


The majority of the population went from being a slave deprived of healthcare and rights in a "medieval age" as the Nazis have put it to a civilized tightly controled administrative region.Nice to give an example of the Nazis. From so called slaves of person they loved and revered to the slaves of a foreign Communist Theocracy bent on destroying their religion and culture.


As long as they don't rebel and start killing innocent civilians in broad daylight, the government has no interest in ethnic cleansing or kicking them out of the country. So if the Tibetians rebel the Government will start ethnic cleansing. Spoken like a true CCP member. The Chinese would start the ethnic cleansing and deportation of Tibetans if a few of them rebel, I am sure this is a part of the CCP's doctrine. This is exactly the kind of fear that the CCP uses to keep the masses under control. What more can be expected from a regime that uses tanks to kill thousands of student protestors in the main square of the capital city.


Some decided to leave on their own will because of various reasons but compared with the total population of Tibetans, they are meaningless.Tell the PLA not to shoot the Tibetans while crossing the borders in the mountains and see how many would leave.

[TheMiddlePath]

And imposed Maocracy and the Cultural Revolution

Oh really. A foreigner can roam about freely in Guangdong province. Not the same for Tibet. Tibet is not treated like other Han dominated provinces. I also guess Tibet is on its way to a Han majority and then maybe things would change.

Nice to give an example of the Nazis. From so called slaves of person they loved and revered to the slaves of a foreign Communist Theocracy bent on destroying their religion and culture.
So if the Tibetians rebel the Government will start ethnic cleansing. Spoken like a true CCP member. The Chinese would start the ethnic cleansing and deportation of Tibetans if a few of them rebel, I am sure this is a part of the CCP's doctrine. This is exactly the kind of fear that the CCP uses to keep the masses under control. What more can be expected from a regime that uses tanks to kill thousands of student protestors in the main square of the capital city.

Tell the PLA not to shoot the Tibetans while crossing the borders in the mountains and see how many would leave.


hulaka,

As there are no restriction on foreign tourist going to Tibet and they have been doing so for years and years. All they need is a permit.

As for TAM please do an internet search "The myth of TAM". Already most main stream Western media already agreed that noone died at the TAM square itself. PBS also has a program which they corrected the "Thousands were killed" to "A few hundreds including soldiers". They have to because because of the release of US embassy papers on TAM which matches closely with China's accessment.

And just one sick border guard does not mean all are like that.

What do you think cultural revolution was all about ? Wasnt it about freedom for all the young people to do what ever they want ?

And you need to look closer to your home as far as Maocracy is concern.

[hulaku]

hulaka,
It is Hulaku.


As there are no restriction on foreign tourist going to Tibet and they have been doing so for years and years. All they need is a permit.
Yes I know there is a permit required to go to Tibet but this permit also restricts the tourists to the main areas like Lhasa and around, the road to Nepal and other such areas. There is no free access to the rural parts to actually see the cultural genocide perpetuated by the faithful of the CCP. And I dont even want to talk about the fact that foreign journalists are allowed no where near Tibet. If the CCP has really emancipated the so called feudal slaves of the Dalai Lama (as the Chinese members often refer to) to really free men enjoying all the comforts of life and living in a land of milk and honey then what is the CCP trying to hide?


As for TAM please do an internet search "The myth of TAM".
Search on the Internet about the 9/11 and there would also be a lot of information on how 9/11 was an inside conspiracy. The same stands true for the "Myth of TAM". I suggest you dont believe every thing tyou see on the net. A thousand lies do not change the truth.


Already most main stream Western media already agreed that noone died at the TAM square itself.
None died at Tiannamen.??? That is one of the most blatant fvckin lie Ive ever heard. Can you even keep a straight face when you say that.


PBS also has a program which they corrected the "Thousands were killed" to "A few hundreds including soldiers".
In the statement before this one you say none died. And when the world realised that thousands were killed and the CCP could not hide it anymore it suddenly is OK with the figure of a few hundreds. Please clarify wether none died, or hundreds died or thousands died.


They have to because because of the release of US embassy papers on TAM which matches closely with China's accessment.
Please quote the source.


And just one sick border guard does not mean all are like that.
One sick border guard or all the party faithful think like that. A faithful cyber soldier of the party cn-habs openly states that it is OK to implement ethnic cleansing and deportation of Tibetans if they rebel. This has been clearly demonstrated by the CCP at Tiannamen. This also reflects a false sense of superiority that the CCP gives to the Han Chinese over other ethnicities.


What do you think cultural revolution was all about ? Wasnt it about freedom for all the young people to do what ever they want ?
This is what I think of the Cultural Revolution

The Cultural Revolution was particularly devastating for minority cultures in China. In Tibet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet), over 6,000 monasteries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monasteries) were destroyed, often with the complicity of local ethnic Tibetan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet) Red Guards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards_%28China%29). In Inner Mongolia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Mongolia), some 790,000 people were persecuted, of these 22,900 were beaten to death and 120,000 were maimed,[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#cite_note-24) during a ruthless witchhunt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchhunt) to find members of the allegedly "separatist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatist)" Inner Mongolian People's Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Mongolian_People%27s_Party), which had actually been disbanded decades before. According to Jung Chang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jung_Chang) in her controversial book Mao: The Unknown Story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao:_The_Unknown_Story), supposed cases of atrocities included a Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) woman having her teeth pulled out with pliers, then her nose and ears twisted off, before being hacked to death. Another woman was raped with a pole (she then committed suicide). One man had nails driven into his skull. Another had his tongue cut out and then his eyes gouged out. Another was beaten with clubs on the genitals before having gunpowder forced up his nostrils and set alight.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution#cite_note-25) In Xinjiang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang), copies of the Quran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran) and other books of the Uyghur people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_people) were apparently burned and Muslim imams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imams) were reportedly paraded around with paint splashed on their persons. In the ethnic Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans) areas of northeast China, language schools were destroyed. In Yunnan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yunnan) Province, the palace of the Dai people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dai_people)'s king was torched, and an infamous massacre of Hui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people) Muslim people at the hands of the People's Liberation Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army), called the "Shadian Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shadian_Incident&action=edit&redlink=1)", reportedly claimed over 1,600 lives in 1975.
Please dont tell me in your blind reverence to the Party you think that the Cultural Revolution was good for China?


And you need to look closer to your home as far as Maocracy is concern.
It is a problem which the Democracy will take care of.