Foes of tea party movement to infiltrate rallies

[seraosha]

ALBANY, N.Y. – Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_go_ot/us_tea_party_crashers)


First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.
-Mahatma Gandhi

[California Joe]

They probably saw how well it worked with ACORN...

Although they've already kinda f*cked up. 1st rule of Infiltration Club...You don't talk about Infiltration Club...

[Ordie]

The agent provocateur conspiracy.

[Chairborne_Ranger]

I truely find it amazing how far liberals will go to push their agenda and silence the opposition. They're worst than the Bible thumping conservatives they loathe so much. Hell, THEY ARE Bible thumping nutbags without a Bible! I love it, they've become the very thing they hate. Sure didnt take them long to go from "standing up" to the President for 8 long years by calling him Hitler, to protecting their new Dear Leader by infiltrating the opposition.

[California Joe]

So you believe that only evil Liberals engage in political dirty tricks? Can I have some of what you're smoking?

And newsflash: when they come back with lots of film of tea baggers acting retarded, which they will. You can blame it on the MSM.

I mentioned ACORN before as an example. As stupid an organization as you may believe they were, there were probably lots of interviews with normal people that told that "pimp" to get the f*ck out of the office. But those aren't any fun.

The same thing is done at rallies and any other place you have a gathering of people that like to run their mouths. They will find the stupidest amongst the masses and they will be the focus.

[Wimbly]

I mentioned ACORN before as an example. As stupid an organization as you may believe they were, there were probably lots of interviews with normal people that told that "pimp" to get the f*ck out of the office. But those aren't any fun.

The same thing is done at rallies and any other place you have a gathering of people that like to run their mouths. They will find the stupidest amongst the masses and they will be the focus.

The big difference being that the media perpetuates false attacks on the tea parties, while they do all they can to demonize the guy who taped ACORN representatives.

[Chairborne_Ranger]

So you believe that only evil Liberals engage in political dirty tricks? Can I have some of what you're smoking?



I'm not saying only liberals do it. But even the liberal MSM is leading me to believe that liberals are pretty fanatical to their Dear Leader. I don't recall anyone who used this kind of extreme tactic to silence the opposition during the Bush years.

[Hollis]

http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/

Who ever they are, they are pissed

[Chairborne_Ranger]

http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/

Who ever they are, they are pissed

See, it takes a lot to leave your work, family, time with your kids, etc to go out on the streets just to openly FRAME an entire group of people of being homophobic racists. Like I said, these people are just as fanatical as the radical Christians they hate so much.

[Jobu]

http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/

Who ever they are, they are pissed

Clever way to sell t-shirts.

[Noons86]

2 things

1. I'm pretty sure every big rally for every cause has some people who oppose the cause that bring inflammatory signs as a smear, and they don't have to be sent there by some shadowy group, they go by their own initiative.

2. At any big rally for any cause, there will be people who actually do believe the crazy things written on those signs, and some bring their own crazy signs.

Poe's law does not only apply to the internet.

[California Joe]

The big difference being that the media perpetuates false attacks on the tea parties, while they do all they can to demonize the guy who taped ACORN representatives.

According to you. And that guy should be in jail for playing G. Gordon Liddy.

[Mu-Meson]

Wow. Set up a website detailing how you are going to secretly infiltrate tea parties to make them look bad. Someone needs to explain to this ****wit the meaing of OPSEC. I mostly agree with CJ on this, but the difference being that the ACORN crew smart were enough not to announce ahead of time what they were doing.

[ting]

ALBANY, N.Y. – Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_go_ot/us_tea_party_crashers)

My view of them is that they are moronic, and a few a little bit racist, don't know about homophobic though. But moronic, definitely. I always though moronic fitted this group best. How long has this infiltration been going on? Perhaps I have been fooled by them.:-(

[LineDoggie]

The agent provocateur conspiracy.
Not a Conspiracy Ordie when they guy admits it....

[Hollis]

Clever way to sell t-shirts.


Che made millions selling his T-shirts......... Opps Che was dead, anyway his admirers or somebody did.

[LineDoggie]

My view of them is that they are moronic, and a few a little bit racist, don't know about homophobic though. But moronic, definitely. I always though moronic fitted this group best. How long has this infiltration been going on? Perhaps I have been fooled by them.:-(
Perhaps we will care when you become an American Citizen, until then your view means little to Americans who have the right to join whatever Political party they wish, left or right.

[California Joe]

I'm seriously digging the MSM today.

They found that little mildly autistic girl alive and relatively well after 5 days in a Florida swamp and now they're interviewing Raquel Welch who still looks frigging hot at age 69.

[Mastermind]

Same tactics the Brownshirts used of Adolph Hitler days. They would pretend to be communists, run around beating the hell out of people and with their media friends, put the bloody photos on front page..."See what he dirty commies do?"

Well, those tactics are always there for anyone to break them out of the can and use them.

It was funny, when the Tea Party rally took place here in Harry Reid town of Searchlight, my son was there for local media. 35 harry Reid supporters stood on side of the road and threw eggs at the buses of TP members coming in. Then they started screaming..."Look what the Right Wing Nuts are doing...look...violence!" What they did not realize was, they got caught and were video while they did the throwing and then the shouting...all while carrying signs in support of Dirty Harry. MY son's station was right there and even though they got video...they were ordered to erase it.

hahhahha....lovely little era we are sliding into, isn't it?

[California Joe]

Hello MM? Raquel Welch?

[LineDoggie]

I'm seriously digging the MSM today.

They found that little mildly autistic girl alive and relatively well after 5 days in a Florida swamp and now they're interviewing Raquel Welch who still looks frigging hot at age 69.Finding the Kid alive was amazing, usually it aint alive

[ting]

Perhaps we will care when you become an American Citizen, until then your view means little to Americans who have the right to join whatever Political party they wish, left or right.

You mean my views mean something to Americans!woot I'm honored, thanks Linedoggie.:hug:

[Panchito12]

Vast, Granola-Eating, Left Wing Conspiracy?

[LineDoggie]

You mean my views mean something to Americans!woot I'm honored, thanks Linedoggie.:hug:As much as my Morning Fart, so yeah I guess you would be honored......

[Wimbly]

The agent provocateur conspiracy.
Here they are pelting cars with eggs, so that they can call the cops and blame the tea parties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t7IHaHJamE

Conspiracy indeed......

[Flagg]

I'm seriously digging the MSM today.

They found that little mildly autistic girl alive and relatively well after 5 days in a Florida swamp and now they're interviewing Raquel Welch who still looks frigging hot at age 69.

Someone oughta reverse engineer her DNA to ensure all women kind get an extra decade or three of hotness.

As far as the Tea Party goes...who ever came up with the name certainly didn't run it through the schoolyard bullying test.

Other than that I think they better relentlessly stick to their K.I.S.S. basics of their political doctrine, and ruthlessly vet every active participant to avoid getting ACORNed.

Better to have 1000 switched on awesome folks, than 100,000 mediocre morons.

I'm really looking forward to the Youtube ambushes and fistfights in the coming mid-term election season.....it will be a nice undercard for the 2012 prize fight ho-down.

[budgie]

They probably saw how well it worked with ACORN...

Although they've already kinda f*cked up. 1st rule of Infiltration Club...You don't talk about Infiltration Club...

Good cover for any real racists and homophobes in the movement. They can be as offensive as they like then blame it on alleged liberal infiltrators.


Here they are pelting cars with eggs,

Fact


...]so that they can call the cops and blame the tea parties.

Imagination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t7IHaHJamE


Conspiracy indeed......

Those were Democratic party supporters throwing eggs at a Tea party bus, because they are ****s. Why would the cops think tea parties would throw eggs at their own bus?

Besides with the might of the 2nd amendment behind them, the teabaggers can respond with AR-15s can't they? That's what all this blood-in-the-streets rhetoric is about isn't it? That old right-wing fantasy of lining up all the hippies and shooting them. Perhaps they should be called the 'tree-waterers'.

[Hollis]

Budgie don't overly reactive, political infiltrators regardless where they come from are douche bags. In 1968 election, LA Times reported that the committee to elect Reagan as governor would hire "hippies" to protest his talks. Infiltrators were wrong then and they are wrong now. It is just that simple.

[Wimbly]

Good cover for any real racists and homophobes in the movement. They can be as offensive as they like then blame it on alleged liberal infiltrators.

You mean the alleged racist and homophobes that the media has reported with no evidence?


Imagination Just going off the report:

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/andrew-breitbart-describes-harry-reid-supporters-on-the-attack-audio/

Andrew Breitbart witnessed first hand today the cunning manipulation and violence of the unhinged left. Harry Reid supporters stood on Highway 95 outside of Searchlight, Nevada and held signs steering tea party protesters heading to the Tea Party Express Showdown in Searchlight Rally (http://www.teapartyexpress.org/tour-shedule-3/searchlight-nv) in the wrong direction. Andrew also witnessed these violent leftists attacking (http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/harry-reid-supporters-attack-tea-party-bus/) the Tea Party Express bus with eggs as it drove by. The Harry Reid supporters then swarmed him, harassed him, threatened him and made false statements to the police.EDIT: I did a bit more reading and found that they actually blamed Breitbart of instigating it.

http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2010/03/harry-reid-supporters-threaten-violence-against-breitbart-at-tea-party-protest/

Supporters of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid staged a counter-protest today in Searchlight, Nevada, the Senator’s hometown. Reid supporters gathered just down the road from the launching point of the Tea Party Express tour, and when Breitbart happened upon them, he was met with threats of violence. At least one protester threw an egg at Brietbart, missing him. Eggs were also thrown at the Tea Party Express bus.
To add insult to insult, Reid supporters called the police to report that Breitbart had provoked an incident.



Besides with the might of the 2nd amendment behind them, the teabaggers can respond with AR-15s can't they? That's what all this blood-in-the-streets rhetoric is about isn't it? That old right-wing fantasy of lining up all the hippies and shooting them. Perhaps they should be called the 'tree-waterers'.You really need to turn off the MSNBC. You're buying in to the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

[custodes]

I got to flip them the bird. Some anti-protesters, I mean. My pal drove me home from the VA and he was just coming back from the protest. He was very angry. There are a lot of local budget cuts by the Gov. and the Dems(the Govs' own guys) are pissed. What can ya do? We have no money in the State.

He said, when the anti-Tea dudes saw his Army PT-Shirt, as he approached the Capitol,they all booed him. It was a vicious verbal gauntlet 'til he got to the Tea Party protesters.

We passed a few, on the way home so I got to flip 'em one, with a smile.p-)

[shocker1]

Besides with the might of the 2nd amendment behind them, the teabaggers can respond with AR-15s can't they? That's what all this blood-in-the-streets rhetoric is about isn't it? That old right-wing fantasy of lining up all the hippies and shooting them. Perhaps they should be called the 'tree-waterers'.
Wow, where does this go on? Did you experience this old right wing murderous rage? I think as usual you are baiting here, going way beyond an instigator. Turning into an ignorant fool who's wild accusations here have put you in the gutter. Maybe you can join those right wing teabaggin homophobes there on the level you communicate. Bias is good, slutty vitriol clinging to the left right paradigm is the indicator of willful ignorance.

[custodes]

We as Americans, all have the right to protest and the right of free speech. We should not resort to violence during our disagreements.

[Ordie]

I don't mind the GOP allying themselves with Palin and the Teabaggers.

It gives Obama a better chance for a second term.

[gaijinsamurai]

Great! Now every political group that doesn't get their way at election time can resort to forming a militia?

[Ordie]

Great! Now every political group that doesn't get their way at election time can resort to forming a militia?

Thus the formation of new "Brown Shirts".

Imagine a GOP political rally with Sarah Palin, with uniformed "militia" armed with semi-automatic weapons on the premise of 2nd Amendment rights?

That's scary even for the moderate American voter.

[BlackFlag]

Thus the formation of new "Brown Shirts".

Imagine a GOP political rally with Sarah Palin, with uniformed "militia" armed with semi-automatic weapons on the premise of 2nd Amendment rights?

That's scary even for the moderate American voter.

Just as scary as Obama's Youth Corps? Or that ambiguous, "reserve force" mentioned in the Health Care bill?

But hey, if I say that, then I'm a tin foil hat wearing militia-brown shirt, right?

BTW: The Clash f*cking blow.

[gaijinsamurai]

Actually, The Clash kick ass. Or at least they did.
Detriot blows.

[Dominique]

ALBANY, N.Y. – Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_go_ot/us_tea_party_crashers)

While I don't necessarily agree with a good little number of the Tea Party protesters, I think this guy is an idiot. It's their right to protest, as long as they do it peacefully. All this guy is going to do is stir up trouble.

[shocker1]

Is this a display moronic indignation towards the SEMI AUTOMATIC WMD"S in the hands of OMG wait, a militia? Buzz words of the day, sounds like an echo from the past. What is scary is the likes of Berneke and Geithner continuing the shell game. Maybe the taxes I am shelling out in the coming days, hell every damn day. that is scary, makes my stomach turn. The scariest thing of all is the chill on speech, perpetrated by the same mouths fearing the same chill during the last administration. Beck and the tea party scare me too, the movement has been hijacked by none other than the RNC. Beck promotes a VAT, tell his robots that fact and they call you a liar. Have not had a gun pulled on me yet by a tea party redneck. That happens in a few sections of town where my skin color may cause random violence.

[Dominique]

I'm not saying only liberals do it. But even the liberal MSM is leading me to believe that liberals are pretty fanatical to their Dear Leader. I don't recall anyone who used this kind of extreme tactic to silence the opposition during the Bush years.

And what cave were you hiding in? Both Republicans and Democrats routinely engage in some very dirty tactics to make the other side look bad (although a lot of the time they need no help at all, as politicians usually have no problems making themselves look like asses). So lets not pretend that one side is any cleaner than the other.

[shocker1]

And what cave were you hiding in? Both Republicans and Democrats routinely engage in some very dirty tactics to make the other side look bad (although a lot of the time they need no help at all, as politicians usually have no problems making themselves look like asses). So lets not pretend that one side is any cleaner than the other.
Exactly, same game only possession of the ball changes. Before it was Un-American to dissent and look it still is.

[Hollis]

Thus the formation of new "Brown Shirts".

Imagine a GOP political rally with Sarah Palin, with uniformed "militia" armed with semi-automatic weapons on the premise of 2nd Amendment rights?

That's scary even for the moderate American voter.


LOL, from ethic cleansing to brown shirts, Ordie, your posting quality has really deteriorated the last couple of months. I hope you are Ok or doing well. I use to really like reading your post, now you are beginning to sound like a used car salesman badly in need of a sale or Baghdad Bob.

You know a nice BBQ, some good friends, a choice of beverage could do you some good.

[gaijinsamurai]

As a Democrat, these people don't bother me, but as a gun owner, I find them much more of a threat.

[Noons86]

It's completely dishonest. Trying to smear a large movement says much more about you than it does about the movement.

On the other hand, it also reminds me of Borat singing "throw the Jew down the well"

[custodes]

I would also like to point out, that while the National Anthem was being played at the demonstration, the Tea Party folks stood politely at attention with hats off and hands over hearts. The anti-protester protesters, jeered and screamed loudly,the whole time,from across the street.

Almost all of them.

[Kant]

I'm not an American, so as Linedoggie will be quick to point out, no one cares what I think.
But isn't this whole tea party thing a massive mountain out of a mole hill.
It seems to me that if these tea party demonstrators want to protest, then fair enough.
If the anti-tea party protestors want to protest against them, then fair enough as well.
Anyway, I doubt Obamas going to lose much sleep over a few thousand people protesting.
Look at the Iraq war rallies, and all they achieved.

[Dominique]

I would also like to point out, that while the National Anthem was being played at the demonstration, the Tea Party folks stood politely at attention with hats off and hands over hearts. The anti-protester protesters, jeered and screamed loudly,the whole time,from across the street.

Almost all of them.

Ahhh...asshattery at its finest.

[custodes]

I agree Dom.

YNN,local news, just ran the story.They said 300 Tea Party members protested in front of the Capitol. They showed the crowd and flags and signs.Interviewed a Lady from Europe who was against the new Health Care bill. She had a Danish(I think) accent.They did not show the other folks.They did not mention them.

Strange. The press is unfathomable.

[Dominique]

I agree Dom.

YNN,local news, just ran the story.They said 300 Tea Party members protested in front of the Capitol. They showed the crowd and flags and signs.Interviewed a Lady from Europe who was against the new Health Care bill. She had a Danish(I think) accent.They did not show the other folks.They did not mention them.

Strange. The press is unfathomable.

Not to be rude, but if she's not a US citizen, I don't really give a rat's ass what she thinks of the bill.

[custodes]

Not to be rude, but if she's not a US citizen, I don't really give a rat's ass what she thinks of the bill.


That was my point. The press ignored the "intrusion" of counter-protesters and interviewed one person. An immigrant from Europe. ?????????

[Dominique]

That was my point. The press ignored the "intrusion" of counter-protesters and interviewed one person. An immigrant from Europe. ?????????

The press is always rather "selective" about who they interview. They always seem to find the dumbest looking guy/woman in the group, or the one who can't speak English, the loud mouth idiot on a rant, etc., etc.

[custodes]

The press is always rather "selective" about who they interview. They always seem to find the dumbest looking guy/woman in the group, or the one who can't speak English, the loud mouth idiot on a rant, etc., etc.

Oh well.I'll see what the papers print tomorrow. If there is any relationship with reality that is.Makes ya wonder what else they miss?

[seraosha]

Miss?

I know, I know...it's tinfoil hat time if you start to wonder if it's "miss" or "on purpose".

[custodes]

Miss?

I know, I know...it's tinfoil hat time if you start to wonder if it's "miss" or "on purpose".

Oh yeah. <Miss> was a euphemism. Ya couldn't miss the fvckers. They were right across the street. No tinfoil headwear there buddy.:roll:

[Ordie]

You know a nice BBQ, some good friends, a choice of beverage could do you some good.

As long as you have BBQ Tufu I'm there.

[budgie]

Wow, where does this go on? Did you experience this old right wing murderous rage? I think as usual you are baiting here, going way beyond an instigator. Turning into an ignorant fool who's wild accusations here have put you in the gutter. Maybe you can join those right wing teabaggin homophobes there on the level you communicate. Bias is good, slutty vitriol clinging to the left right paradigm is the indicator of willful ignorance.


*sigh* yeah I did go a bit too far there.

[Kant]

That was my point. The press ignored the "intrusion" of counter-protesters and interviewed one person. An immigrant from Europe. ?????????

What if she immigrated to the U.S and became a citizen?

[custodes]

What if she immigrated to the U.S and became a citizen?

1)She did I think but,why her if only one interview? Just strange.

2)Major Tea-Party in Washington DC on Thursday.

3) Gays have Tea Parties too.p-)

[Kant]

She did I think but,why her if only one interview? Just strange.

Maybe she was smoking hot?

[custodes]

Sorry pal she was like 70 and pissed she had to wait 2 years for a valve replacement in Europe,or so she said. And 3 years for whatev I forgot. Something elective.p-)

[Atlantic Friend]

We do it for the greater good - They do it for selfish purposes
We are principled - They are dogmatic
We uphold our sacred principles - They stick to partisan doctrine
We only want to be heard out - They only want to drown out dissent
We display inventiveness - They use dirty tricks
We reaffirm our core values - They parrot the party line
We get infuriated - They keep whining
Americans support us at heart - People have been brainwashed to vote for them

And the story goes on and on and on and on....

[custodes]

We do it for the greater good - They do it for selfish purposes
We are principled - They are dogmatic
We uphold our sacred principles - They stick to partisan doctrine
We only want to be heard out - They only want to drown out dissent
We display inventiveness - They use dirty tricks
We reaffirm our core values - They parrot the party line
Americans support us at heart - People have been brainwashed to vote for them

And the story goes on and on and on and on....

Speech writer?

I regret not going now. Oh,the little, old lady had Tea Bags hanging from her hat too.

[Atlantic Friend]

Speech writer?

Not that it would require that much effort or imagination these days, alas. My side good, their side bad, wild accusations that the other side has to prove false, character assassination and innuendo trumping analysis of the boring facts, and a catchphrase that media will be able to drone about. There must be computer programs that can do it.

[custodes]

Not that it would require that much effort or imagination these days, alas. My side good, their side bad, wild accusations that the other side has to prove false, character assassination and innuendo trumping analysis of the boring facts, and a catchphrase that media will be able to drone about. There must be computer programs that can do it.


I think you are right.Or an intern.:roll:

[ting]

As much as my Morning Fart, so yeah I guess you would be honored......

Hmm, I quite enjoy my morning fart.

[Hollis]

As long as you have BBQ Tufu I'm there.


I do a mean baked Tofu. A great Spinach Casserole (has eggs), Chili Rellano casserole etc.

[custodes]

YNN showed several more interviews from yesterdays' rally on todays' news.

Besides the aformentioned Euro-Oldie named Gigi Koen btw:

1)A 10 year old girl
2)The Fulton County Sheriff wearing a NRA hat, Thomas Lorey.
3)A young man who felt the Fed Reserve was an illegal entity and should be audited. That would show everyone it was unconstitutional he said.

Anti-President Bush signs and anti-President Obama signs. Sometimes on one sign.

Lots of Pro-2nd Amendment signs.

Lots of talk of the Constitution

Stress on November Elections

Signs like : I'll keep my money,my guns and my freedom.

Lots of anti-healthcare signs.

YNN mentioned the anti - protesters. They reported that they were mostly President Obama supporters who said "many of the anti-healthcare people are the same people who will benefit from it." That's all YNN said.

Tea Party people sang the National Anthem and recited The Pledge of Allegiance. There were many yellow Don't Tread On Me flags.About 30 medium size.

Local CBS reported today, that the people of Boston were having a Tea Party today,across from Boston Harbor. Tomorrow a major rally in Washington. That is all CBS said.

[Bia]

Lololololol

[LineDoggie]

Bravo Democrats, taking a Page from Otto Skorzenys Einheits Stielau.

Is this the road to Ambleve?

[custodes]

Bravo Democrats, taking a Page from Otto Skozenys Einheits Stielau.

Is this the road to Ambleve?

This quote...military history? Is going over my head.:roll:

PS: Hi Bia.:)

[California Joe]

Bravo Democrats, taking a Page from Otto Skozenys Einheits Stielau.

Is this the road to Ambleve?

Democrats have more in common with Pee Wee Herman than they do with "The most dangerous man in Europe".

[OrangeWolf]

The big difference being that the media perpetuates false attacks on the tea parties, while they do all they can to demonize the guy who taped ACORN representatives.

Don't they makle themselves look silly enough due to the signs they carry along?

[LineDoggie]

Don't they makle themselves look silly enough due to the signs they carry along?Infiltrators, try and keep up

[custodes]

Infiltrators, try and keep up


Today we have the "Juice Box Mafia" at the Capital, as they call them on .... http://www.blackfive.net/

[budgie]

Great! Now every political group that doesn't get their way at election time can resort to forming a militia?


Or an egg brigade. Apparently so they can egg the opposition's vehicles, then claim it was the opposition egging their own vehicles and trying to pin it on them. At least that's what kind of Ludlum-esque twists exist in the minds of some here...

[Mastermind]

Yes...I am in full agreement with what you said there, Joe. The way they have been acting lately, it's a fact. :-)

[LineDoggie]

Apparently, one of the idiots who announced this plan is now under investigation by his employer.

Jason Levin is being investigated by the School District he works for Beaverton Teacher Standards and Practices Commission .

[seraosha]

Or an egg brigade. Apparently so they can egg the opposition's vehicles, then claim it was the opposition egging their own vehicles and trying to pin it on them. At least that's what kind of Ludlum-esque twists exist in the minds of some here...

You are kidding, right? Didn't you watch that boring video clip of those Reid supporting morons throwing eggs at the tea bag buses?

[Dominique]

Apparently, one of the idiots who announced this plan is now under investigation by his employer.

Jason Levin is being investigated by the School District he works for Beaverton Teacher Standards and Practices Commission .

What an idiot.

[gaijinsamurai]

Apparently, one of the idiots who announced this plan is now under investigation by his employer.

Jason Levin is being investigated by the School District he works for Beaverton Teacher Standards and Practices Commission .

That's where I live. My city doesn't make the national news very often. :)

[wildcat]

Apparently, one of the idiots who announced this plan is now under investigation by his employer.

Jason Levin is being investigated by the School District he works for Beaverton Teacher Standards and Practices Commission .

The local Radio host Lars Larson, check out his blog, and saw the ip address lead back to the school. The teacher denies doing it on school time, but the facts: ip and server postings says at school during school time, if he did it at home there would be no investigation.

[gaijinsamurai]

busted!!!!!!

[Atlantic Friend]

Or an egg brigade. Apparently so they can egg the opposition's vehicles, then claim it was the opposition egging their own vehicles and trying to pin it on them. At least that's what kind of Ludlum-esque twists exist in the minds of some here...

It's all a vast conspiracy masterminded by grocery owners.

[Wimbly]

Some pictures of these infiltrators.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=140889

There are no protests signs like their propaganda claims there is, so they just make up their own and show up with them. How much more pathetic can you get? If these people were Republicans, doing this to Democrats, you can bet all the MSM would be all over it. This also shows how the media is able to manipulate people, to the point of trying to fulfill its propaganda. Can you imagine the field day Stewart would have with this if it were conservatives?

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8006/boston4.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8725/boston1.jpg

[JKD]

If these people were Republicans, doing this to Democrats, you can bet all the MSM would be all over it.

That's officially your catch phrase;)

I don't remember Protest Warrior getting this much "MSM" coverage though

[Atlantic Friend]

It's a conspiracy of grocers with the help of their MSM Stooges.

Wimbly, a question if I may: when Limbaugh encouraged his listeners to register as Democrats so they could alter the result of the Democratic Convention, and stated the "dream result" of this infiltration would be to have the Convention end up in riots and widespread incidents, you actually defended that kind of manipulation. Now when Democrats propose to "infiltrate" the Tea Parties, you seem less certain it's a valid political tactic, to say the least. Can you, without using mantras about the biased MSM's slanted coverage, explain to me how this is not a simple case of "it's only all right if it's my side doing it"?

[seraosha]

Wimbly, a question if I may: when Limbaugh encouraged his listeners to register as Democrats so they could alter the result of the Democratic Convention, and stated the "dream result" of this infiltration would be to have the Convention end up in riots and widespread incidents, you actually defended that kind of manipulation.

Um, you got your wires crossed..."Operation Chaos" was about Republicians voting for Hillary in the Democratic Convention:

At the point in which Limbaugh announced his gambit, Obama had seemed on the verge of clinching the Democratic nomination.[18] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-17) However, Clinton subsequently won the Ohio (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Ohio) primary and the Texas (http://www.militaryphotos.net/wiki/Texas) primary (while losing the Texas caucus and the overall delegate split) with large pluralities from rural counties; thus reemerging as a competitive opponent in the race.[19] (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/#cite_note-18) Statistics released by the state of Texas show Hillary Clinton won the primary due to a large number of Republicans crossing over to vote for her. Whether these voters were Operation Chaos Operatives or simply Republicans who preferred Clinton is impossible to tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos

The "dream" of the Democratic Convention turning into a riot was hoping that there was a repeat of the 1968 Democratic Convention...where, if you do a little more reading, you will see was reported to have been perpetrated by "Yippies" lead by Abbe Hoffman and his type...avowed "leftists" even further over than our current lukewarm lefties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention_protest_activity

What you didn't see back in 1968 (as far as I can tell) is the Press manufacturing counter-protest to sell ads in between 24 hour long broadcasts on cable and sat TV.

[Atlantic Friend]

Um, you got your wires crossed..."Operation Chaos" was about Republicians voting for Hillary in the Democratic Convention:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos

The "dream" of the Democratic Convention turning into a riot was hoping that there was a repeat of the 1968 Democratic Convention...where, if you do a little more reading, you will see was reported to have been perpetrated by "Yippies" lead by Abbe Hoffman and his type...avowed "leftists" even further over than our current lukewarm lefties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention_protest_activity

What you didn't see back in 1968 (as far as I can tell) is the Press manufacturing counter-protest to sell ads in between 24 hour long broadcasts on cable and sat TV.

He did urge his listeners to register as Democrats so as to alter the Convention's results, did he not? And he did claim that the dream results would be riots and widepspread incidents, indeed saying the best thing would be a Chicago 1968 redux. Now I may be a little too uptight when it comes to political affiliations, but I don't think Limbaugh nor his listeners are Democrats, so their registering in the only intent to alter the results and hopefully encourage violence is, in my book, a manipulation of the Convention based on infiltration.

So if that was acceptable then - even to the point of having a rather famous political pundit express hopes that violence and civil unrest would ensue (regardless of who engages in the violent acts it does strike me as a rather irresponsible statement) - why are people crying foul over the same infiltration tactics used against the Tea Party? Apart from a "it's not fair the other guys do it too" approach, I mean?

[LineDoggie]

Au Contraire, I believe a large part of Limpbaughs listeners are Democrats.

Every time the man makes a ****ouncement they dont like its out of the woodwork for them blogging and posting about it. Yet they also say they dont listen, I call Bullsh t.

I look at DU, Kos, HuffPo boards, I watch Olberdouchebag on occasion, reason?

Know thine Enemy......

[California Joe]

It always cracks me up that Wimbly focuses on John Stewart as the evil MSM.

[Hollis]

Doesn't MSM mean; More of Satan's Media?

[Wimbly]

It's a conspiracy of grocers with the help of their MSM Stooges.

Wimbly, a question if I may: when Limbaugh encouraged his listeners to register as Democrats so they could alter the result of the Democratic Convention, and stated the "dream result" of this infiltration would be to have the Convention end up in riots and widespread incidents, you actually defended that kind of manipulation.

Well, he didn't say that for one. For another, it was all shtick. I'm sure some people went out and voted for Hillary, but so what? All that crap about wanting to create riots is yet another fantasy created by the people who you probably got the information from.


Now when Democrats propose to "infiltrate" the Tea Parties, you seem less certain it's a valid political tactic, to say the least. Can you, without using mantras about the biased MSM's slanted coverage, explain to me how this is not a simple case of "it's only all right if it's my side doing it"?When have Republicans infiltrated left wing protests and made up signs to correspond to media rhetoric? If they did, I would agree its wrong. It wouldn't even be up for debate though and you know why.


He did urge his listeners to register as Democrats so as to alter the Convention's results, did he not? And he did claim that the dream results would be riots and widepspread incidents, indeed saying the best thing would be a Chicago 1968 redux

No, he was making fun of the Democrat group "recreate 68" who ACTAULLY wanted to recreate riots.


It always cracks me up that Wimbly focuses on John Stewart as the evil MSM.

I've explained to you a dozen times that he wouldn't matter if people didn't take him seriously (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/time-magazine-poll-jon-st_n_242933.html). He uses "comedy" as an excuse to push ideology/talking points, wag his finger at Obama's critics and pretend to be above it all.

On another note it cracks me up how I can always count on your to express your dislike of whatever I post.

[Dan2004]

Au Contraire, I believe a large part of Limpbaughs listeners are Democrats.

Every time the man makes a ****ouncement they dont like its out of the woodwork for them blogging and posting about it. Yet they also say they dont listen, I call Bullsh t.

I look at DU, Kos, HuffPo boards, I watch Olberdouchebag on occasion, reason?

Know thine Enemy......

x2 I'd add Madcow and that fat cvnt Matthews to the list of enemy propaganda.

[JKD]

When have Republicans infiltrated left wing protests and made up signs to correspond to media rhetoric? If they did, I would agree its wrong. It wouldn't even be up for debate though and you know why.


Protest Warrior

[Wimbly]

Protest Warrior

Ok, I'll join hands with you in outrage over it. The thing is, that was then. This is now.

EDIT: Although looking at this, it looks like just a counter protest. He isn't trying to appear to be some bogyman the media made up, so that they cant get proof of their propaganda. These guys do what Rush does. They make up absurd signs with captions to demonstrate the left's hypocrisy.

For example:

Infiltrators: We hate blacks!

Protest warrior: War is wrong (unless a Democrat starts it)

So clearly, one has a constructive message and the other is just helping to spread lies created by MSNBC.

[JKD]

Ok, I'll join hands with you in outrage over it.
Actually I wasn't outraged. I thought they were clever and funny. And I was against the war.


The thing is, that was then. This is now.
I'm sorry. You asked when have Republican infiltrated, not are they currently infiltrating.


EDIT: Although looking at this, it looks like just a counter protest. He isn't trying to appear to be some bogyman the media made up, so that they cant get proof of their propaganda. These guys do what Rush does. They make up absurd signs with captions to demonstrate the left's hypocrisy.

For example:

Infiltrators: We hate blacks!

Protest warrior: War is wrong (unless a Democrat starts it)

So clearly, one has a constructive message and the other is just helping to spread lies created by MSNBC.
Well groups with different ideologies and counter-protesting completely different things are going to have different themes. Although I do think the PW was much more clever. These Crash the Tea Party folks are going about it in a really ham-fisted way.

[seraosha]

Well groups with different ideologies and counter-protesting completely different things are going to have different themes. Although I do think the PW was much more clever. These Crash the Tea Party folks are going about it in a really ham-fisted way.

And I'll bet they are more effective when playing down to the lowest common denominator, then the "witty" posters- cleverly now being sold as bumperstickers (or the bumperstickers came first? I don't know)
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[California Joe]

Wimbly I actually agree with you sometimes. I do think the media is largely filled with bloviating asshats, but so is Congress. But you can't blame Stewart because people are retarded.

Can someone for the love of God please explain to me how the Teabaggers allow complete imbeciles like Michelle Bachman to basically hijack a "decent idea"? She's like the white Republican version of Cynthia McKinney for chrissakes. In theory I agree with their objectives but their methodology and choices for allies are bizarre.

[budgie]

You are kidding, right? Didn't you watch that boring video clip of those Reid supporting morons throwing eggs at the tea bag buses?
Yes I saw it and I saw exactly what you reported here. Reid supporters egging teabaggers.

Wimbly seems to think it was some sort of covert op to make people think the teabaggers were egging their own bus to blame it on Reid supporters.

I saw asshats throwing eggs, that's all.


When have Republicans infiltrated left wing protests and made up signs to correspond to media rhetoric?


Sorry, Republicans aren't good enough at spelling to fake mistakes. When they tried they actually ended up making correct signs.

*I'm gonna look like a real asshat for any typos in this post.

[Mastermind]

Yes I saw it and I saw exactly what you reported here. Reid supporters egging teabaggers.

Wimbly seems to think it was some sort of covert op to make people think the teabaggers were egging their own bus to blame it on Reid supporters.

I saw asshats throwing eggs, that's all.



Sorry, Republicans aren't good enough at spelling to fake mistakes. When they tried they actually ended up making correct signs.

*I'm gonna look like a real asshat for any typos in this post.

You should have put an (*) behind the word "signs" to make the proper connection to your aside. And Ass hat is probably two words...but I got the drift of your literary intention. I just assumed it was some form of poetic license.

Otherwise, as a Republican...I was not able to see any other mistakes....good job, over all.

:-)

[custodes]

You should have put an (*) behind the word "signs" to make the proper connection to your aside. And Ass hat is probably two words...but I got the drift of your literary intention. I just assumed it was some form of poetic license.

Otherwise, as a Republican...I was not able to see any other mistakes....good job, over all.



:roll:I think "Asshats" has become one word. And "douchebaggery" and "asshattery."

Just saying.p-)

[Wimbly]

I didnt want to start a new thread for this:

This is just getting ridiculous. Why haven't these propagandist looked at the ratio of white to black in any other protest? Why are they so focused on it here? How about white to black ratio on NBC? Its so completely racist and hateful.

White NBC Reporter Confronts Black Man at Tea Party Rally: 'Have You Ever Felt Uncomfortable?' (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2010/04/16/white-nbc-reporter-confronts-black-man-tea-party-rally-have-you-ever-fe)


“There aren't a lot of African-American men at these events,” NBC News reporter Kelly O'Donnell, a white woman, told Darryl Postell, a black man at a Tea Party rally held Thursday in Washington, DC, pressing him, in an exchange she chose to include in her NBC Nightly News story, to address her prejudiced assumptions: “Have you ever felt uncomfortable?”

Postell rejected her loaded premise that race must divide Americans: “No, no, these are my people, Americans.” O'Donnell's story noted “skepticism over how the Tea Party is judged and labeled,” letting an attendee assert: “We're not racists, we're not any of the above that people claim us to be. We're ordinary citizens that love our country, and we're fighting for it.” O'Donnell soon wondered if it all may peter out, asking a man in the crowd: “Do you think this has enough energy to really last to November and to make a difference?”



This reminds me of Nora O'donnel trying to claim Newt Gingrich was racist for suggesting that we need a president not an athlete.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=622o119IHjM

[CPLHUNTER]

I love the "major" news stations coverage of Tea Parties...they always go w/ this line:

"Tea Party members are a bunch stupid racist homephobes" When that didn't work for them, they started with - "Tea Party members are just a bunch of smart, rich white people oh and yeah they are still racist.

I've been to two rallies and they are so far from being racist or anything like the media says its funny. The rallies are very motivating and have encouraged me to get involved in politics and read up on this countries history.

The last bit I saw yesterday was Fox interviewing the former CEO of Godfather pizza, who is OMG a black guy. He was saying his piece and getting the crowd rolling.

I can't wait until April 19th, the liberal media is going to be screaming revolution and murder in DC

http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/

(http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/)

[Hollis]

In a oppressive society propaganda is not that important. Say something bad about the powers to be and sometime later you just disappear. It is in a "Free" society that propaganda is very important to manipulate the people. In the the US, people do have the power. It is when they vote that they give that power to a elected person. People can be controlled if you control their world view. One of the reason a "Free' Press is important. The cons to a free press is that it is a owned entity and can be very much the voice of a single view.

At one time the news was paid for by general programing. It is said the decay in news content happened when the news department had to start paying it's bills. New became entertainment. The information is usually out there, it just that a person has to dig deeper to find it.

[seraosha]

On a kind of related topic...do you think the Republicans are going to be in for a surprise when they try and go back to their fiscal irresponsibility, squandering our taxes, and assumed support of the Tea Partiers? What the MSM™ isn't getting is that a large number of people supporting the Tea Party are just as disgusted with the Repubs and they are with the Demos.

When I see "big names" giving speeches at these rallys, with their big smiles and flag pins, I don't think they "get it" either.

I think 2012 is going to surprise a lot of folks.

[CPLHUNTER]

That's what I like about the Tea Party, they are not marching lock step with Republican leadership. We as a people need stop voting for people simply because of their party affiliation.

[Hollis]

On a kind of related topic...do you think the Republicans are going to be in for a surprise when they try and go back to their fiscal irresponsibility, squandering our taxes, and assumed support of the Tea Partiers? What the MSM™ isn't getting is that a large number of people supporting the Tea Party are just as disgusted with the Repubs and they are with the Demos.

When I see "big names" giving speeches at these rallys, with their big smiles and flag pins, I don't think they "get it" either.

I think 2012 is going to surprise a lot of folks.


That's what I like about the Tea Party, they are not marching lock step with Republican leadership. We as a people need stop voting for people simply because of their party affiliation.


That is what I understanding too. We are in for some interesting times.

[Mastermind]

That is what I understanding too. We are in for some interesting times.

When politicians, such as Obama and the Democrats...and the Republicans, have so grossly misread the hearts and minds of the electorate, poltical disaster awaits them in the USA.

The mistakes the Dems have made, in assuming they had a grand mandate of the people to turn the USA into a Euro-style socialist state, based on the "Perfect Storm" of the last election season, will practically destroy their party this next election. voters are not just angry, they are furious at 1) the Arrogance. 2) the disrespect. 3) The left of Socialist behavior of the Democrat leaders and 4) the kow-towing president who has yet to stand tall for America before foreign leaders.

The mistake of failing to respect the wishes of the American people is not one easily forgiven or surmounted.

The results are going to prove quite shocking come November.

Obama and the Democrats should have listened to Howard Dean...who proved himself much wiser than I had given him credit for.

[California Joe]

That's what I like about the Tea Party, they are not marching lock step with Republican leadership. We as a people need stop voting for people simply because of their party affiliation.

Why do they keep inviting the most ridiculous Republicans to speak at their rallies?


John Stewart actually clowned on the media for only trying to find the wingnuts at the rallies last night. His "slightly effeminate black correspondent" was upset that no one was calling him the N word or fag or anything so he didn't have much to report on.

[seraosha]

The Tea Party isn't some grand organized group, atleast from what I've seen...beyond fiscal responsibility, accountability and a love of our Constitution, I've seen almost everything else...libertarians and anarchists and little old ladies and truthers and birthers and Vets, lots of vets and jeez man, you just have to go to a rally and see for yourself..."they" just are not showing the real deal on TV, whomever you want to call "them", because I don't think its an organized conspiracy to not show the truth about the tea parties...but it's kind of beginning to look like something suspicious is going on, despite what I want to believe.

I think the repub speakers are more of a nostalgic thing...like the second coming of Reagan or some happy horse sh!t like that, I dunno.

[Wimbly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Eib2di9bq4

[Hollis]

Could also be, the R's are trying to look like they have ownership of the group. Maybe for political reason, maybe to keep their own bacon out of the fire. They had a rally here, the tea party reportedly have 1000 people show up, which is pretty good for Oregon during the week. The Candidates that spoke where mostly R's, a few Libertarians and One D. The D was running against a incumbent D. If it turns out to be kind of like a third party, the effect on the election could harm the R's more than the D's by splitting the votes in protest of the D's.

[seraosha]

Or we could actually have a viable third party.

We need one, imo. The polarization could be dealt with more efficiently with parties that don't demand "cookie cutter" responses...I know A LOT of democrats that are not really in support of the leftist agenda, but would rather toe the current party line than see a Repub get in because they supported another party...what about a "Moderate' party...the moderate left and the moderate right have a hell of a lot more in common than the extremists in either party...or what the hell, an "Extremist party"...get all the mixed nuts in one can /win

[BlackFlag]

Or we could actually have a viable third party.

We need one, imo. The polarization could be dealt with more efficiently with parties that don't demand "cookie cutter" responses...I know A LOT of democrats that are not really in support of the leftist agenda, but would rather toe the current party line than see a Repub get in because they supported another party...what about a "Moderate' party...the moderate left and the moderate right have a hell of a lot more in common than the extremists in either party...or what the hell, an "Extremist party"...get all the mixed nuts in one can /win

Agreed, we need another real option. We're +1 party away from a single party state. In my opinion, two parties aren't enough to respectably call yourself a Republic.

[California Joe]

Or we could actually have a viable third party.

We need one, imo. The polarization could be dealt with more efficiently with parties that don't demand "cookie cutter" responses...I know A LOT of democrats that are not really in support of the leftist agenda, but would rather toe the current party line than see a Repub get in because they supported another party...what about a "Moderate' party...the moderate left and the moderate right have a hell of a lot more in common than the extremists in either party...or what the hell, an "Extremist party"...get all the mixed nuts in one can /win

Why didn't these jokers think of this 8 years back? Or 20 years ago? A serious third party doesn't showcase the stupidest members of one of the other ones. For f*ckssakes. I used to support McCain back before he got brain damage for cancer treatments on his head and started caring about polls and morons, you know back when W got all Lee A****er on his ass in the south about having a black John Edwards kid.

[Kalifornian]

Agreed, we need another real option. We're +1 party away from a single party state. In my opinion, two parties aren't enough to respectably call yourself a Republic.

Yup. George Washington actually warned against a two party system in his farewell address.

[custodes]

Yup. George Washington actually warned against a two party system in his farewell address.


Bull Moose? Tea Party Party? Funny? Slighty Funny?

They all sound good but,at election time people say "I like the .................. best but, I'm afraid the .......... are going to get in if I don't vote for my party."

Libertarian, Green whatev...

[budgie]

Why didn't these jokers think of this 8 years back? Or 20 years ago?

Because 8 and 20 years ago respectively, Republicans were in the whitehouse. Like it or not the teabaggers are deeply linked to GOP sentiments. They invite GOP speakers, they'll vote GOP when faced between that and a Dem and they are trumpeted by the GOPs demagogues over at Faux News. The Tea Party 'movement' is not really an consolidation of people who are sick of the status quo and disenchanted with both parties (though undoubtedly many members are); it is a direct knee-jerk reaction to a new Democrat executive, and a crushing defeat of the GOP in the last election. It is unlikely to become a viable third party because sooner or later the GOP will regain control of the House or Senate or Executive or any two or all three and most teabaggers will feel more secure and go back to their original party affiliation.

[shocker1]

The fact that detractors focus on the messenger instead of the message is truly disturbing. We are taxed to death and for people to believe we are not are participating in willful ignorance. Be it for the lack of thinking skills or following the herd of their persuasion. Yet the Tea Party has been hijacked by the likes of Beck, Palin and all sorts of GOP blowhards. Beck continues to push a VAT, Newt is a globalist and loves centralizing power in the executive branch. Palin is the sweet dew of the Venus Fly Trap snaring beer bellied fools and their simpleton wives.

CJ I wished I had the motivation to research the issues of the day back over the past decade as i do now. That is the past so instead of critiquing people on what they did when Bush violated the same tenants the Tea Party supports, we should focus on addressing the injustice and criminal behavior in our face now. The race baiting should be fought with the same vigor as racism itself. I myself though think we past the point of no return. We have lost control and we are now servants to the bloated beast we have created. It is sucking us dry, taking our wonderful attributes and replacing them with ignorant apathy. The old saying you get the government you deserve holds true in our case me thinks.

[LineDoggie]

When those Democrats are the ones diametrically opposed to what those Tea Party/Baggers stand for, small wonder there not invited to speak. After all who voted the crap in that the Tea Party/Baggers are protesting?

Democrats about 99.99%

Would you expect the ADL to invite David Duke to speak?

Durr.....

[California Joe]

When those Democrats are the ones diametrically opposed to what those Tea Party/Baggers stand for, small wonder there not invited to speak. After all who voted the crap in that the Tea Party/Baggers are protesting?

Democrats about 99.99%

Would you expect the ADL to invite David Duke to speak?

Durr.....

I'm diametrically opposed to stupid. So the Tea Baggers stand for letting retards recite bullsh*t to them and make them feel all warm and fuzzy with homespun platitudes? How is that any different from any other political party? If they truly believed what they claim to stand for they would have stood for it before a brother took over in the White House and they'd also be aware that their keynote speakers are blowing the same smoke up their asses.

And yes shocker. I agree with you. I usually do.

[shocker1]

And yes shocker. I agree with you. I usually do.
This is one of those times when the messenger's hypocrisy or outright deceit burdens the message. Sometimes the messenger is deliberately discrediting his own message. People are angry and when you get angry you do not always do your best work. Yet how does one react to the attempt to chill speaking out? I'd imagine my many correspondence with government has me on a list somewhere.p-)

[Hollis]

Problem, from what I see is that the Tea Baggers are pissed at Politics at usual for the professional self serving politicians. On first glance they are against the current administration. Then again read the first sentence. Those how are against the current administration can also be professional self serving politicians from other parties. I think a lot of people are mad at the extremes in both parties or those who serve themselves first, then lobbyist and then way way down the list the people. Those politicians are in both parties. Obviously right now the current administration has more to loose, but hopefully, all entrenched self serving politicians from both party get voted out of office.

[Chulo]

Problem, from what I see is that the Tea Baggers are pissed at Politics at usual for the professional self serving politicians. On first glance they are against the current administration. Then again read the first sentence. Those how are against the current administration can also be professional self serving politicians from other parties. I think a lot of people are mad at the extremes in both parties or those who serve themselves first, then lobbyist and then way way down the list the people. Those politicians are in both parties. Obviously right now the current administration has more to loose, but hopefully, all entrenched self serving politicians from both party get voted out of office.
Initially the Tea Party did not embrace any party, it was a mix of citizens that had issues with the big government. Naturally people have more of an issue with the party in power so it was identified with the Republicans, even though the Tea Party people transcended party lines and the Republican party is held to blame as much for big government.
However, the Democrats have taken steps to belittle and mock the movement in order to diminish its effect and the Republicans have taken steps to embrace it to take advantage of the upswell. Both parties are at fault and I can only hope that some third option is taken advantage of and more independents gain the seats vacated.

[Hollis]

Chulo, I agree both parties are to blame. As far as the R's.. "A enemy of my enemy............................" Hopefully November the TP won't forget the R's contribution to this mess.

[MN_Air]

Would a battle royale between the Tea-party, Democrats, and Republicans solve this?

[gaijinsamurai]

I talked briefly with a teabagger today. We had common ground in some areas, such as guns, but there was just too many differences of opinion, and she was very emotional about it all. She was the wife of the proprietor of the gun store I was in, and I made a quick escape.

[shocker1]

I talked briefly with a teabagger today. We had common ground in some areas, such as guns, but there was just too many differences of opinion, and she was very emotional about it all. She was the wife of the proprietor of the gun store I was in, and I made a quick escape.
What were these differences? It would be more advantageous to us all to discuss those. Are the use of "teabagger" and the description of an emotional outburst intentional to discredit the messenger's message? This is the kind of discourse that frustrates people and causes emotional outbursts.

[Glaz]

Bull Moose? Tea Party Party? Funny? Slighty Funny?

They all sound good but,at election time people say "I like the .................. best but, I'm afraid the .......... are going to get in if I don't vote for my party."

Libertarian, Green whatev...
And that's really what up. The tea party seems mostly to be disgruntled republicans. Come election time, any tp candidate would simply fracture the gop vote, handing the election to the dems on a silver platter.

There's precedent: what Ross Perot did to Bush the elder. Also, what Nader did to Algore on the democratic side of things.

[JKD]

A party where a candidate didn't have to pass a litmus test and prove how 'pure' they are would be kind of nice. A party for "RINOs" and "conservaDems". For people who aren't ideologues.

Although if it existed I still wouldn't belong to it. I'm done rooting for any one team. But it'd be nice to have more moderate candidates out there.

[gaijinsamurai]

What were these differences? It would be more advantageous to us all to discuss those. Are the use of "teabagger" and the description of an emotional outburst intentional to discredit the messenger's message? This is the kind of discourse that frustrates people and causes emotional outbursts.

She was deeply religious, and claims America is a "Christian Country". I'm agnostic.
She had kind of a weird way of talking about her Scottish heritage, and seemed to bristle when i told her my kids were half-Japanese. She never said anything that was what I would call racist, but I just had a weird vibe about her.
I referred to her as a "teabagger" because in the store, there was a large section of the wall devoted to Tea Party stuff. There was anti-Obama stuff too, which didn't really bother me, especially because in gun stores, one just comes to expect that kind of stuff nowadays.

And she was really emotional. Not the type of person I would have wanted to get in a "discussion" with.

I've got no problem with people who have a problem with Obama and the current members of Congress. However, it seems to me like they are lacking in credibility when so much of what's messed up started with the previous administration, but their outrage didn't erupt until the guy with the fake birth certificate and the middle name of Hussein got elected.

[gaijinsamurai]

There are a couple of local gunstores where the proprietors like to preach politics to customers, including the one mentioned above. In my opinion, it's not very professional, even though I recognize they have the right to say what they want in their stores.

[Wimbly]

She was deeply religious, and claims America is a "Christian Country". I'm agnostic.
She had kind of a weird way of talking about her Scottish heritage, and seemed to bristle when i told her my kids were half-Japanese. She never said anything that was what I would call racist, but I just had a weird vibe about her.
I referred to her as a "teabagger" because in the store, there was a large section of the wall devoted to Tea Party stuff. There was anti-Obama stuff too, which didn't really bother me, especially because in gun stores, one just comes to expect that kind of stuff nowadays.

And she was really emotional. Not the type of person I would have wanted to get in a "discussion" with.

Everything you say here is exactly the sort of thing being said by the mass media. Were were these testimonials and concern with "anger" over the last 8 years? Those people who fighting in the streets with riot cops and I don't recall anyone suggesting these people were angry or violent in anyway. How interesting that since the media has generated concern, suddenly people have tales of "angry Christians in gun stores" they debated with.


I've got no problem with people who have a problem with Obama and the current members of Congress. However, it seems to me like they are lacking in credibility when so much of what's messed up started with the previous administration, but their outrage didn't erupt until the guy with the fake birth certificate and the middle name of Hussein got elected.Another popular MSM message. The constant excusing of what Obama does by saying "Bush did it too" is perplexing given the people saying it HATED Bush. What is it you're saying anyway? That two wrongs make a right? That Republicans should just shut up and go with whatever flow the left and media declare is acceptable at the moment? I'm so tired of you guys pointing out what you see as hypocrisy, without acknowledging that YOU are also being quite hypocritical. I could easily say, you had a problem with the white guy named Dubbya, but suddenly now you're fine with the same policies under a black guy named Hussein.


There are a couple of local gunstores where the proprietors like to preach politics to customers, including the one mentioned above. In my opinion, it's not very professional, even though I recognize they have the right to say what they want in their stores.

Yeah sure. Where have I heard this narrative before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZWaxjiQyFk

[gaijinsamurai]

Everything you say here is exactly the sort of thing being said by the mass media. Were were these testimonials and concern with "anger" over the last 8 years? Those people who fighting in the streets with riot cops and I don't recall anyone suggesting these people were angry or violent in anyway. How interesting that since the media has generated concern, suddenly people have tales of "angry Christians in gun stores" they debated with.


Are you suggesting I made up the incident?

And it IS very hypocritical when people who were silent over an administration who ran our economy into the ground, pursued foreign policies like they had blank checks, and in general, were incompetent, suddenly get outraged. I've got my issues with Obama too, and am not afraid to voice them.
And what exactly AM I being hypocritical about? Can you find any quotes I've made where I said it's okay for Obama to be a crappy president, just because Bush was incompetent?


And sorry if you don't like it, but when i go to a gun store, it's usually to buy ammo, cleaning supplies, etc., not to be preached at. The stores in my area that aren't run by white trash, pseudo-intellectuals don't engage in that type of behavior, but I suppose you wouldn't fit in around places like that.

[Wimbly]

And it IS very hypocritical when people who were silent over an administration who ran our economy into the ground

Who was silent? Most Republicans I know were against the bailouts. The economy wasn't ran in to the ground solely by Republican spending either. It has a lot to do with the housing bubble that started under Clinton. In fact, Bush and Republicans warned about it in 2000 and 2004. What you don't seem to get, is that if Republicans are hypocritical, what does that make the media and democrats? By the same token, they hated spending and a list of Bush policies that seem to be OK now.


Can you find any quotes I've made where I said it's okay for Obama to be a crappy president, just because Bush was incompetent?Like you, I'm making generalizations based on the popular media mantra. In the same way you say "Republicans are hypocritical", I'm saying the Democrats/media who say that are themselves hypocritical.

Given that fact, doesn't it make sense for Republicans to change their ways and not continue supporting bad policy?


Are you suggesting I made up the incident?That seems to be popular among the tea party haters. The media reported on the alleged health care vote incidents for a week, even though there was no evidence and the people who made the claims refused to take questions about it in the news. So yes, I think its entirely possible you're making stuff up, or at least embellishing based on your pre-conceived notions.

[gaijinsamurai]

First, of all, I never made a general statement like "Republicans are hypocritical". The people who are hypocritical are those who were silent up until recently, then now act like government has suddenly become corrupt and incompetent.

As far as yesterday's incident, there's nothing I can do to prove it happened. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. i'm not going to stress over it.

[Wimbly]

First, of all, I never made a general statement like "Republicans are hypocritical". The people who are hypocritical are those who were silent up until recently, then now act like government has suddenly become corrupt and incompetent.

Who are these nebulous specters? What about the people who were against Republican spending/Bush policies, but now attack anyone who is against them as hypocritical? Aren't they the hypocrites?

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm so tired of you guys pointing out what you see as hypocrisy, without acknowledging that YOU are also being quite hypocritical. I could easily say, you had a problem with the white guy named Dubbya, but suddenly now you're fine with the same policies under a black guy named Hussein.


Hypocracy: When you don't like something, it's "I'm so tired,,,blah, blah, blah...." When it's us, we're "the butthurt brigade".

[Hollis]

Hypocracy: When you don't like something, it's "I'm so tired,,,blah, blah, blah...." When it's us, we're "the butthurt brigade".


I think that is a part of the TB movement, People are tired of the hypocrisy. Both national parties have acted for their own self interests not the peoples.

[shocker1]

I for one am glad people are waking up from their apathy or blind partisan support. To reference that as your only argument against them is weak in my opinion. The problems being pointed out by these voices coming to terms with the corrupt system around them gives me some hope. Would you want them to stay silent for the sake of their prior apathy?

Attacking someone for their opinion that America was founded with Christian morality as a base is really disgusting. An argument can be made on both sides of that particular historical question because the founders of this nation had as varying an opinion on this as we do now. It would depend on one's world view. Yet we do have a secular government provided by the Constitution. The people who make up the nation tend to identify themselves as Christian. This is changing in many ways and the Liberty with which we hold dear can accommodate that change. It may not be pretty at times but we have shown before how we can change for the better without completely falling apart.

This is all really a distraction from the issues and I myself am getting drawn into this. It gets us nowhere and allows government to creep into every aspect of our lives. I have tried many times to discuss key points of the issues and bills our government is considering. Very little in the way of substance comes from this effort as the partisan hackery rules the day. That is what frustrates many Americans. I as many do feel like we are no longer represented in government.

[gaijinsamurai]

I for one am glad people are waking up from their apathy or blind partisan support. To reference that as your only argument against them is weak in my opinion. The problems being pointed out by these voices coming to terms with the corrupt system around them gives me some hope. Would you want them to stay silent for the sake of their prior apathy?

Attacking someone for their opinion that America was founded with Christian morality as a base is really disgusting.
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I never "attacked" the woman. I merely said that I felt uncomfortable with her rant, when I had merely gone into her store to buy ammo and an AR magazine. Hell, the woman wouldn't even let me get a word in! How do my Cherokee ancestors fit into the founding of America on "Christian morality"?

I too, am glad people are not apathetic, and see your point, Shocker. I think if we were to sit down together over a couple of beers, we'd find that we probably agree on most things.

[seraosha]

This thread needs more vryhpyammoadded.

Where the **** is he?

[shocker1]

I never "attacked" the woman. I merely said that I felt uncomfortable with her rant, when I had merely gone into her store to buy ammo and an AR magazine. Hell, the woman wouldn't even let me get a word in! How do my Cherokee ancestors fit into the founding of America on "Christian morality"?

I too, am glad people are not apathetic, and see your point, Shocker. I think if we were to sit down together over a couple of beers, we'd find that we probably agree on most things.
It got the same thing for my Cherokee ancestors, dead and homeless. I pointed out that opinions on this are wide ranging and each has basis in fact. Yet many of us know Christian morality has been used as a cloak for the sins of this nation. To deny it's role in our founding is really disingenuous. To say it is always a force for good ignores the human element.

This is one of man y issues that really do not matter. The Cherokee are not going to regain their Nation. Question is are we going to lose ours to apathy and moral relativism? Of course we would find common ground gaijin, we have before. This particular issue with the Tea Parties seems to find me at odds with a great many. Such is life.

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm not even talking about the Cherokee regaining their land. That isn't even an issue for me.
I'm talking about people claiming this is some kind of "Christian" country, when many of us have roots that are not just based on Christianity.

At least you seem to believe what I say, instead of calling me a liar. But that's fair, as I don't believe Wimbly when he claims to have a girlfriend and hobbies.

[shocker1]

Hey bro you're one of my friends on here so we can have opposing views without any animosity. My opinion on these tea parties basically comes down to two parts. I support the core views on smaller government, less taxation, less international interventions and fighting the erosion of civil liberties. The second part would be the realization that the Tea Party now has become a tool for the political elite to channel populous anger into a harmless whimper. It is however the best attempt in some time to buck the system.

[gaijinsamurai]

Hey bro you're one of my friends on here so we can have opposing views without any animosity. My opinion on these tea parties basically comes down to two parts. I support the core views on smaller government, less taxation, less international interventions and fighting the erosion of civil liberties. .

I totally agree with you on those issues, Shocker. And of course, I've always respected you, Buddy! :)

[Dominique]

A party where a candidate didn't have to pass a litmus test and prove how 'pure' they are would be kind of nice. A party for "RINOs" and "conservaDems". For people who aren't ideologues.

Although if it existed I still wouldn't belong to it. I'm done rooting for any one team. But it'd be nice to have more moderate candidates out there.

I could see something like this peeking my interest too.

[shocker1]

http://newmexicoindependent.com/51762/santa-fe-tea-party-event-draws-its-own-protesters
Obvious amateur provocateurs.

[Hollis]

There are all kinds, I would not be surprise is some of the S-stirrers are only there to stir the pot and not the politics. Then set back and then laugh at one side blaming the other side.

[Wimbly]

The propaganda onslaught continues....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM6nGtZtpyA

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/An-alarming-epidemic-of-regime-amnesia-91459559.html

Heilemann's accusation echoed one that Chris Matthews himself made on MSNBC's "Hardball" April 2, when he denounced Limbaugh's use of the word 'regime.' "I've never seen language like this in the American press," Matthews said. "We know that word, 'regime.' It was used by George Bush, 'regime change.' You go to war with regimes. Regimes are tyrannies. They're juntas. They're military coups.

The use of the word 'regime' in American political parlance is unacceptable, and someone should tell [Limbaugh] to stop using it." A quick search of the Nexis database (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Rush-Limbaugh-Chris-Matthews-and-the-regime-question-89848762.html) revealed more than 6,500 uses of the word "regime" to refer to the Bush administration since January 20, 2001, in the New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, and, yes, by Chris Matthews himself.

So now John Heilemann has spoken up. Which leads to an obvious question. Has Heilemann himself ever used that word, with its "connotations of tyranny"?

A search of the Nexis database shows four recent examples of Heilemann using "regime" to refer not to tyrannies but to American domestic politics. He even used the phrase "Obama regime." For the record:

[custodes]

A group who I think is called <The Continental Congress> is meeting to protest in Albany,NY today. They claim that since the Constitution can not defend itself, they will do it. They are stressing the government ignoring the 1st Amendment.

I think I like both these movements.The Tea Party and The Continental Congress. Wonder when the latter will get Infiltraters? When the press starts noticing them,I guess.

[Flagg]

Or we could actually have a viable third party.

We need one, imo. The polarization could be dealt with more efficiently with parties that don't demand "cookie cutter" responses...I know A LOT of democrats that are not really in support of the leftist agenda, but would rather toe the current party line than see a Repub get in because they supported another party...what about a "Moderate' party...the moderate left and the moderate right have a hell of a lot more in common than the extremists in either party...or what the hell, an "Extremist party"...get all the mixed nuts in one can /win

Does the US actually even NEED a viable 3rd Party?

Or would it be better to forcibly recreate the current 2 parties currently acting as 1.2 at the moment?

The financial/political cost and sweat equity required to get a 3rd party off the ground and on the radar would be STAGGERING....and would be easily attacked and marginalized before it even makes it on the radar.

I'm more for the creation and development of a decentralized and internet centric LEGAL and PEACEFUL insurgency in the US to effect change.

Combine social media with the likes of opensecrets.org to push a single issue agenda:

If you accept a single dollar of dirty special interest money voters will burn your ass to the ground.

It's easier to defend a good idea than a good candidate.

Very simple, moral, ethical, and easily defendable strategy:

"Got Corruption?"

Follow the money....if you cannot sever the money connection between special interests and politicians then sever the connection between every politician who accepts special interest money from office.

Much like how the ANC in South Africa used to "necklace" apartheid regime collaborators, the same doctrine(in the figurative, NOT literal sense) could be used in regards to politicians collaborating with special interests.......zero tolerance policy......accept one cent and you get figuratively fried.

Would such a strategy result in a lot of collateral damage with some "good" politicians getting thrown out like a baby with the bath water?

Certainly.....but if they have taken special interest money they are both culpable and vulnerable in the future if they remained in office.

Could we wind up with some naive morons unfit for office but there simply because they didn't compromise themselves with special interest money?

Certainly.....but who cares? Professional career civil servants run the country......who cares if we wind up with village idiots in office, just as long as they don't take a penny of special interest funds.

Fix it with better candidates in the following elections

Maybe trial it on ONE US State Legislature that is most vulnerable to such a strategy......then refine and enhance it for attacking other key vulnerable states with the goal of targeting federal elected politicians in 2/3 election cycles.

End state should be a constitutional ammendment or bulletproof federal legislation that makes the acceptance of special interest money by local/state/federal political candidates or representatives the equivalent of treason.

All the issues directly and indirectly binding together Tea Baggers in a loose confederation should probably be put on hold.....because fundamentally it's wasted energy if elected politicians aren't listening to anyone but their special interest campaign funders.

Scare them into listening or get rid of them and replace with folks who will.

This is one situation where Americans need to act more French.

Just my 0.02c

[seraosha]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

You lost me at "insurgency".

[Kit]

Two words: term limits.

Term limits might not halt corruption, but it gives corruption one more hurdle. When a politicians stays in office too long, they get comfortable, get connections, and those connections stagnate into something gross.

[Flagg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

You lost me at "insurgency".

I use the word insurgency to emphasize the following:

avoiding a direct conventional political "fight" with the current broken and incumbant 2 party system

undermining the corruption in the current broken political system...not the system itself

attacking incumbant weakness. "Got Corruption?"

gaining support over the population with a simple message

using a decentralized/swarming social media/internet-centric model to largely avoid a successful counterattack from conventional incumbants..especially when the "insurgency" has a simple and easily defensible message but no candidates.

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I think your Wiki link to US political parties lends itself to my argument that creating a valid 3rd party is pointless.

The majority of the parties listed were founded in the last 10 years......has even a single one of those parties achieved front of mind with ANYONE?

No......and with the accelerated shrinking of mainstream media ownership even just getting on the radar gets harder.

I honestly think that the tactics of the revolutionary/insurgent are quite relevant to effect change here....and I mean that in the moral/ethical/legal means sense.

In the political arena, we have barely scratched the surface on leveraging the internet to effect political change.......it's an "ethical insurgent's" dream.

Just my 0.02c

[custodes]

Two words: term limits.

Term limits might not halt corruption, but it gives corruption one more hurdle. When a politicians stays in office too long, they get comfortable, get connections, and those connections stagnate into something gross.


Here here!

They bitch "we could never get anything done" but,if they had to, they would learn to.One term per office no matter what.No pay. You do service and then you get a job quick to get out of debt. Like when Washington served!

Thank you for doing your duty.

[Hollis]

Two words: term limits.

Term limits might not halt corruption, but it gives corruption one more hurdle. When a politicians stays in office too long, they get comfortable, get connections, and those connections stagnate into something gross.



We have term limits, they are called "elections".

[Wimbly]

Great new video by "Black and Right". Its a great montage of media clips, showing how they've worked together on message to discredit the tea parties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX53U_q52OI

[budgie]

That, Wimbly is a collection of news stories that give facts : "critics on the left say this is not a real grassroots phenomenon" and the tea parties have "raised questions about where Obama was born"; opinion, "It was a good stunt" by "a bunch of rednecks" and "raciism straight up"; and humor: "hard to talk when you're teabagging" and "I thank the teabaggers". I see no great conspiracy here to attack the teabaggers, just the news as usual.

This montage may have been spliced together in an effort to show how the media can 'discredit' the tea parties, but if any harm is done to their image, they hurt themselves: angry chanting, the Hitler posters and quotes like, "I think Barack Obama is anti-American".

Only watching Fox could all this be put into a positive ligth, but the fact is, the footage wasn't made up. This stuff is real. There is real controversy surrounding the tea party movement. Once again the right are just butt-hurt because the 'MSM' is not reporting the news the way they'd like to hear it. There's no use pretending that the gushing praise heard on Fox is some kind of yardstick and any other reporting or opinion piece that doesn't live up to that is deliberately and malicsiously negative. Those who are completely against the tea parties (Janeane Garofalo) make their opinions explicit. But the rest of this here is just news, current events and the usual talking heads trying to make a subject more exciting.

[Wimbly]

This montage may have been spliced together in an effort to show how the media can 'discredit' the tea parties, but if any harm is done to their image, they hurt themselves: angry chanting, the Hitler posters and quotes like, "I think Barack Obama is anti-American".

The Hitler posters are from a Democrat group (http://www.larouchepac.com/). Why didn't those posters hurt other movements? When did the media make an issue over Bush Hitler posters? These stories are made up, manufactured outrage like we saw all through the Bush admin. Of course none of these networks did similar stories on anti-Bush protests.

[name already taken]

Wow. Set up a website detailing how you are going to secretly infiltrate tea parties to make them look bad. Someone needs to explain to this ****wit the meaing of OPSEC. I mostly agree with CJ on this, but the difference being that the ACORN crew smart were enough not to announce ahead of time what they were doing.

False flag?

[budgie]

The Hitler posters are from a Democrat group (http://www.larouchepac.com/). Why didn't those posters hurt other movements? When did the media make an issue over Bush Hitler posters? These stories are made up, manufactured outrage like we saw all through the Bush admin. Of course none of these networks did similar stories on anti-Bush protests.

Sorry are you saying anti-Bush protests weren't covered?

[LineDoggie]

Sorry are you saying anti-Bush protests weren't covered?
Not that I ever saw on TV or Print. But then I only used to read about 4 papers a day

To clarify that, I never saw coverage that showed Bush=Hitler posters and banners. I remember watching a video that showed anarchist burning a US Soldier in effigy and chanting but lo and behold it wasnt in the coverage of that protest by the Main Stream boys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecp8ZCC3tB8&playnext_from=TL&videos=6EDiFLtROgA

"Bye bye G.I., in Iraq your Gonna Die....."

"Fascist war is nothing new, it's not just Bush, it's the Soldiers too"

[LineDoggie]

False flag?

More like stupidity. the one clown is under investigation from his work for using his employers computers to set it up

[Wimbly]

Sorry are you saying anti-Bush protests weren't covered?

Where are you reading that? I petty clearly said they didn't make an issue of Bush Hitler sighs. They also didn't fret every night about the incitement of violence or the dangers of dissenting. It was quite the opposite.

[seraosha]

I sure saw a lot of anti-Bush protests on TV...one of the reasons I stopped watching my "news" and stuck to reading it on the net, the bias was making me lose my cool infront of the family...not the way I wanted to spend my after dinner time. Now the kids put on "The suite life on deck" which causes a whole different reaction...nausea.