Chinese firms boost nuclear threats

[hulaku]

Unchecked proliferation by Chinese firms has undermined a global effort to keep nuclear and missile technology out of the hands of terrorists.

The transfer of such technology to countries such as Pakistan and Iran, which are considered vulnerable to an attack by terrorists or rogue insiders, is the cause of much anxiety in the international community. Kicking off the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington this week, President Obama described nuclear terrorism as the "single biggest threat to U.S. security."

Richard Fisher, a senior fellow of Asian military affairs at the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the very fact that Mr. Obama can point to the threat of nuclear terrorism is in no small part attributable to China's proliferation of nuclear and missile technology since the 1970s.

However, "the Obama administration is making no connection between the threat of nuclear terrorism and China's role in making it possible," he said.

A report by the CIA's Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation and Arms Control Center (WINPAC) this year linked Chinese companies to nuclear and missile programs in Pakistan and missile programs in Iran. It said China was a primary supplier of advanced conventional weapons to Pakistan, which it described as China's most important partner in military technology cooperation.

One of the clearest transgressions in this relationship took place in 1995, when state-owned China Nuclear Energy Industry Corp. (CNEIC), a subsidiary of China National Nuclear Corp. (CNNC), exported 5,000 ring magnets to the A.Q. Khan Research Laboratory in Kahuta, Pakistan. Ring magnets are critical parts of high-speed centrifuges used to enrich uranium to weapons grade. The facility was named for the creator of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, who in 2004 confessed to supplying nuclear technology to Libya, Iran and North Korea through a black market.

Currently, CNNC is collaborating on nuclear power projects in Chashma in Pakistan's Punjab province. The CIA says entities in China continue to sell technologies and components in the Middle East and South Asia that are dual-use and could support weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and missile programs.
Gary Milhollin, director of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, said China is a problem because it has been essential to Pakistan's nuclear program. "If you subtract China's help, Pakistan wouldn't have a nuclear program," he said.

Not everyone agrees that such proliferation activity has the support of the Chinese government.
Charles Freeman, a former assistant U.S. trade representative for China affairs who is currently at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said while there are "obvious holes" in Chinese efforts to prevent proliferation, the export of dual-use technologies in the region is not supported by the government in Beijing.

"As a general government policy, nuclear proliferation is something the Chinese government seeks to control," he said.

Mr. Freeman said China has in some instances helped check proliferation. While transferring technology to Iran in the past decade, for example, the Chinese blew the whistle when they realized that Iran was a proliferation concern.

A U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the subject, said: "Beijing is mainly concerned about trade, so when the issue is a dual-use technology transfer, it is more inclined to see the glass as half full and less inclined to take steps to prevent the sale.
"If they see a transaction that's clearly not legit, they would be more likely to get involved," the official added.

According to Ken Lieberthal, a former senior director for Asia on the National Security Council and currently at the Brookings Institution, there also have been some instances in which the Chinese stopped transfer of technology after the U.S. called their attention to proliferation concerns.

Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, said, "China is strongly committed to safeguarding and strengthening the international nonproliferation system. It is firmly against nuclear proliferation in any form."

He noted Chinese President Hu Jintao's attendance at the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington this week as proof of China's "unambiguous attitude toward nonproliferation."

The bulk of China's proliferation activities took place in the 1970s, '80s and the early '90s. Since then, Chinese entities have continued to engage in proliferation activities. Since the early '90s, Chinese firms have been the subject of U.S. sanctions for violation of the Arms Export Control Act, Export Administration Act and the Iran and Syria Nonproliferation Act.

Mr. Wang said the U.S. sanctions against Chinese entities were "unwarranted" and based on "allegations," which he described as "unfounded."

China has enacted export-control legislation, but implementation of those laws has been spotty, said David Albright of the Institute for Science and International Security. He said there is a "real need for China to better implement its export-control laws."

But Mr. Wang said China has established over the years a "comprehensive set of policies that prohibit Chinese entities from involving in proliferation activities."

Mr. Fisher, meanwhile, noted that China's export-control laws came onto the books "years after it had undertaken a large part of its proliferation activities." He contends that China has sold enough nuclear and missile technology to Pakistan, Iran and North Korea to spur secondary proliferation among those states.

"China has continued to its proliferation goals through its client states," he added.

Mr. Fisher finds it disquieting that China would continue to broaden its nuclear relationship with Pakistan, given the threat posed to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal by potential rogue insiders and terrorists on the outside. "If China were to go to Pakistan and take back its nuclear and missile technology, that would fundamentally reduce the threat of nuclear terrorism," he said.

A U.S.-India civilian nuclear deal struck by the George W. Bush administration has further complicated the situation. Pakistan, citing extreme power shortages among its major cities and towns, is seeking a similar deal with the U.S.

Mr. Milhollin said it's naive of the U.S. and the West to think that they can export nuclear reactors to India and not expect other countries to sell similar technology to Pakistan. "If the U.S. can sell to India, why can't China sell to Pakistan, or Russia sell to Iran?"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/15/chinese-firms-boost-nuclear-threats/print/

[cn_habs]

Mr. Milhollin said it's naive of the U.S. and the West to think that they can export nuclear reactors to India and not expect other countries to sell similar technology to Pakistan. "If the U.S. can sell to India, why can't China sell to Pakistan, or Russia sell to Iran?"

DOUBLE STANDARDS. You help our separatists and we'll make sure you suffer dearly in return.

Fisher is a notorious yet knowledge China-threat whiner. ISSC is filled with his articles.

[TheMiddlePath]

If India did not explode the nuclear bomb, there would not be an nuclear arms race in South Asia.
India actually started the ball rolling.

[pg_ord]

If India did not explode the nuclear bomb, there would not be an nuclear arms race in South Asia.
India actually started the ball rolling.
Aha!!! brilliant post!!.... alright I will take your flame bait. Let the blame game continue.....p-)

If China had'nt exploded nuclear bomb India would'nt have been in a nuclear arms race in Asia. It is China which started the ball rolling.
See how easy it is ....

[Ordie]

The CIA says entities in China continue to sell technologies and components in the Middle East and South Asia that are dual-use and could support weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and missile programs.

This is a challenge.

How does one find out that items used for irrigation can also be used for weapons development?

[cn_habs]

Aha!!! brilliant post!!.... alright I will take your flame bait. Let the blame game continue.....p-)

If China had'nt exploded nuclear bomb India would'nt have been in a nuclear arms race in Asia. It is China which started the ball rolling.
See how easy it is ....

Your countryman started this China-bashing game. Not some Chinese poster.

The Chinese were threatened by both the Soviet Union and the US with nukes hence the reason for protecting ourselves.. India didn't need to develop nukes b/c of the Chinese claim of no use against non-nuclear countries, let alone threatening India with it. Your lame excuse doesn't mean squat here as it's someone else's propaganda that got you. LOL.

Indians deliberately chose to go on to contribute to nuclear proliferation which led to your rival Pakistan to follow suite. Of course you have the right but you caused your own mess, not the Chinese.

Therefore, our dear Indian OP's thread doesn't make any sense whatsoever. India was nowhere near the top of our worries. We still don't give a damn. Yes, that has not changed. woot

[retaxis]

Pg Ord, Now you have stuffed up. China gaining nuclear weapons has pretty much nothing to do with India or South Asia. The soul purpose of China's nuclear weapons was to deter a soviet offensive so again, If India didn't get nuclear weapons first, neither would Pakistan.

[pg_ord]

Your countryman started this China-bashing game. Not some Chinese poster.

The Chinese were threatened by both the Soviet Union and the US with nukes hence the reason for protecting ourselves.. India didn't need to develop nukes b/c of the Chinese claim of no use against non-nuclear countries, let alone threatening India with it. Your lame excuse doesn't mean squat here as it's someone else's propaganda that got you. LOL.

Indians deliberately chose to go on to contribute to nuclear proliferation which led to your rival Pakistan to follow suite. Of course you have the right but you caused your own mess, not the Chinese.
what mess? I would want every single fvckin country on this planet to have nukes.. not just India/Pakistan/China/ US/Russia..........
That is the only way to exist respectfully in this big bad world....... in fact China should supply some more nukes....heck I would want Iran and Israel to openly come out and declare nuclear weapons...more the merrier....I sincerely hope India is someday able to supply nukes to mongolia, south korea and Japan...Since china has already gotten Pakistan covered..they should probably concentrate on Sri Lanka and Myanmar........

[pg_ord]

Pg Ord, Now you have stuffed up. China gaining nuclear weapons has pretty much nothing to do with India or South Asia. The soul purpose of China's nuclear weapons was to deter a soviet offensive so again, If India didn't get nuclear weapons first, neither would Pakistan.
Yup ... I keep hearing that...but we don't believe that BS...... same thing US tells Russia....carry on nevertheless....
Sir, I love Pakistan getting its hands on nukes..... Now they are everyones problem not just ours... India making Pakistanis test was a brilliant geo-political move....woot

[Ordie]

The soul purpose of China's nuclear weapons was to deter a soviet offensive so again, If India didn't get nuclear weapons first, neither would Pakistan.

Both Indian and Chinese programs initially started by Soviet and American "Atoms for Peace" programs.

The Chinese had ideas for an atom bomb in the mid 1950's with the first test in 1964.

The Indians started soon after the 1962 border war with China and had its first test in 1974.

[TheMiddlePath]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/15/chinese-firms-boost-nuclear-threats/print/


It is the United States policy of a reckless direct arm race with the Soviet Union with resulted with this mess..the world with 10's of thousands of nuclear warheads that could destroy the world a thousand times over, NOT CHINA.

But then ......yeah ... blame it all on China.

[cn_habs]

Yup ... I keep hearing that...but we don't believe that BS...... same thing US tells Russia....carry on nevertheless....
Sir, I love Pakistan getting its hands on nukes..... Now they are everyones problem not just ours... India making Pakistanis test was a brilliant geo-political move....woot

You guys are always trying to make yourselves feel that way...in other words more important. Chinese media only reports what the India media says about China occasionally whereas across the border, Indian media is always about China bashing and China threat portraying hate among those Indians nationalists.

The bottom line is we don't care now, why would we even give a darn back in the day when you had no nukes? This thread is an epic failed attempt once again by our "Indian bros". woot
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[hulaku]

Your countryman started this China-bashing game. Not some Chinese poster.
Instead of addressing the issue in the article that I have posted from the Washington Times you start blaming it on me. Just to let you know all Indians dont think alike cause we are not programmed to think alike by some Communist Party imposed education system in which only the views of Communist Party are right and everything else is wrong.


The Chinese were threatened by both the Soviet Union and the US with nukes hence the reason for protecting ourselves.. India didn't need to develop nukes b/c of the Chinese claim of no use against non-nuclear countries, let alone threatening India with it. Your lame excuse doesn't mean squat here as it's someone else's propaganda that got you. LOL.
China was threatened with nukes?? First time I heard that. India developed nuclear weapons as a detterent against renewed Chinese agression after 1962. Conventionally we could not stand against the Chinese and with Chinese getting nuclear weapons as well there was no option but to go nuclear as well. As for Chinese claims of no first use against a non-nuclear weapon the only thing I can say that India having seen the betrayal by the Chinese Government on Panscheel Agreement has no reason to trust any claims of the Chinese Goverment.


Indians deliberately chose to go on to contribute to nuclear proliferation which led to your rival Pakistan to follow suite. Of course you have the right but you caused your own mess, not the Chinese.
India has not signed the NPT. We could proliferate if we choose to but we did not. China on the other hand is a signatory to the NPT yet it is the main proliferator of Nuclear weapons both directly and indirectly as the above article and various other sorces have confirmed. China directly proliferated to North Korea and Pakistan and clandestinely through Pakistan to Libya, Iran and Syria. This clearly reflects the Chinese non-compliance with its own signed comittments to the global community. China could have been a much more responsible state but it was not.

China can and should be blamed for proliferating nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan and Iran and the nuclear weapons of these two countries (acquired/ yet to be acquired) are at the greatest risk of falling into the hands of terrorists. Will China take up the responsiblity of the nuclear weapons of these countries fall into the wrong hands.

Therefore, our dear Indian OP's thread doesn't make any sense whatsoever. India was nowhere near the top of our worries.
It may not make sense to you but it does to a lot of independently thinking people who have grown in the free air of democracy. I agree that India is not the top of your worries. Superpowers only worry about superpowers and not about countries where 200000 illion babies starve to death.

We still don't give a damn. Yes, that has not changed.
I agree. China doesnt give a damn to international commitments it signs up to and keeps supporting dictatorships and military juntas around the world for their mineral wealth and not for once thinking about the populations of these countries.

Yes that has not changed and until it does China will never be seen as a responsible member of the International community.

[hulaku]

If India did not explode the nuclear bomb, there would not be an nuclear arms race in South Asia.
India actually started the ball rolling.


It is the United States policy of a reckless direct arm race with the Soviet Union with resulted with this mess..the world with 10's of thousands of nuclear warheads that could destroy the world a thousand times over, NOT CHINA.
But then ......yeah ... blame it all on China.

Arent you the same person who claimed no one was killed at Tiannamen Square and it was just western media lies?

You expect anybody to take you seriously after that?

[TheMiddlePath]

United States more then twice did threaten China with nuclear weapons. US general MacArthur well documented threat to use the Atomic bomb against China during the Korean war and yet you have not heard about it ? Do some homework - lah.

As for the Pakistan bomb. Practically the entire world help Pakistan build it...yes including Malaysia. Evidences that China help Pakistan or N Korea are the slimiest yet China get blame big time.

There is a Malay proverb. The elephant in front of you...you cannot see. But a germ across the river you can see.

[TheMiddlePath]

Arent you the same person who claimed no one was killed at Tiannamen Square and it was just western media lies?

You expect anybody to take you seriously after that?

Gosh...I am so sick of reposting this ...but here it is again. Free of charge.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?152509-Tiananmen-mothers-call-for-probe&p=3964473#post3964473

[hulaku]

United States more then twice did threaten China with nuclear weapons. US general MacArthur well documented threat to use the Atomic bomb against China during the Korean war and yet you have not heard about it ? Do some homework - lah.
The burden of proof lies on you since you made the statement, lah. And from a non-CCP run source?


As for the Pakistan bomb. Practically the entire world help Pakistan build it...yes including Malaysia. Evidences that China help Pakistan or N Korea are the slimiest yet China get blame big time.Oh boy.


Former U.S. Air Force Secretary Thomas Reed knows nuclear bombs better than most people. For starters, he designed two of them when he worked at the Livermore National Laboratory as a weapons designer. His new book The Nuclear Express: A Political History of the Bomb and Its Proliferation (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0760335028?ie=UTF8&tag=usncom-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0760335028), co-written with Danny Stillman, the former director of the technical intelligence division at Los Alamos National Laboratory

Did the Chinese further assist in the Pakistan program?
Under Pakistani president Benazir Bhutto, the country built its first functioning nuclear weapon. We believe that during Bhutto's term in office, the People's Republic of China tested Pakistan's first bomb for her in 1990.There are numerous reasons why we believe this to be true, including the design of the weapon and information gathered from discussions with Chinese nuclear experts. That's why the Pakistanis were so quick to respond to the Indian nuclear tests in 1998. It only took them two weeks and three days. When the Soviet Union took the United States by surprise with a test in 1961, it took the U.S. seventeen days to prepare and test, a device that had been on hand for years. The Pakistani response makes it clear that the gadget tested in May 1998 was a carefully engineered device in which they had great confidence.http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2009/01/02/why-china-helped-countries-like-pakistan-north-korea-build-nuclear-bombs.html

Washington D.C., 5 March 2004 - Over the course of three presidential administrations, U.S. governmental officials repeatedly pressed the Chinese government to explain whether it was providing any assistance to Pakistan in the nuclear weapons field, but Chinese officials responded with denials and equivocation. New evidence from Libya of Chinese-language material among the nuclear weapons-design documents supplied by Pakistan raises new questions about the Chinese contribution to Pakistan's nuclear proliferation activities. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB114/press.htm (http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB114/press.htm)

A 1997 report by the Director of Central Intelligence stated that China "was the primary source of nuclear-related equipment and technology to Pakistan" during the second half of 1996. Since then, the United States has urged China to end its nuclear cooperation with Pakistan entirely.http://www.nti.org/db/china/npakpos.htm


China agrees to halt aid to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program; allegations of nuclear espionagehttp://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=367

According to Khan, the uranium cargo came with a blueprint for a simple weapon that China had already tested, supplying a virtual do-it-yourself kit that significantly speeded Pakistan's bomb effort. The transfer also started a chain of proliferation: U.S. officials worry that Khan later shared related Chinese design information with Iran (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/countries/iran.html?nav=el); in 2003, Libya confirmed obtaining it from Khan's clandestine network. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111211060.html

[TheMiddlePath]

If the evidence were so strong, why use words like "We believe". "We believe" translated as "we have no evidence" .

As far as nuclear bomb is concern, the difficulties is getting the material. Designing a bomb is high school kid stuff.

And you left out the European contribution. Why ?

[Clear_blues]

The soul purpose of China's nuclear weapons was to deter a soviet offensive.
I missed this in history class, were the Chinese worried that the Soviets/Russians were gonna sweep down from Mongolia?(no sarcasm intended)

[lzdbb]

Yes, my university was transferd to the south of china during that time.
In fact the ccp love U.S. than every other country, but the US slaped china just after the founding of china.
But nowdays you can see, the ccp copy every thing frim US, laws, policies.
CCCp support the KMT like US before the total victory of ccp,

[hulaku]

Yes, my university was transferd to the south of china during that time.
In fact the ccp love U.S. than every other country, but the US slaped china just after the founding of china.
But nowdays you can see, the ccp copy every thing frim US, laws, policies.
CCCp support the KMT like US before the total victory of ccp,

Is CCP=China? So the party is the country?

[Ordie]

Yes, my university was transferd to the south of china during that time.
In fact the ccp love U.S. than every other country, but the US slaped china just after the founding of china.
But nowdays you can see, the ccp copy every thing frim US, laws, policies.
CCCp support the KMT like US before the total victory of ccp,

Ironically up until the late 1970's both the KMT and CCP had the same Soviet Lenninsit Political structure dicatated by a single political party.

[Ordie]

Is CCP=China? So the party is the country?

It would be akin to India having a Figurehead Parlament ruled by the Indian Congress Party of 60 million members dictating and enforcing policies.

[cn_habs]

United States more then twice did threaten China with nuclear weapons. US general MacArthur well documented threat to use the Atomic bomb against China during the Korean war and yet you have not heard about it ? Do some homework - lah.

As for the Pakistan bomb. Practically the entire world help Pakistan build it...yes including Malaysia. Evidences that China help Pakistan or N Korea are the slimiest yet China get blame big time.

There is a Malay proverb. The elephant in front of you...you cannot see. But a germ across the river you can see.

Our KNOWLEDGABLE hulaku will certainly skip your reply and chose deliberately to ignore this historical fact.
So some Indians really thought China was gonna lose in conventional warfare and would have to make use of nukes to contain this superpower of India back then?
Wouldn't that be completely unnecessary since that would be idiotic of the CCP leadership to turn the entire universe agaisnt them?

Again, you are overstating your importance here. We can understand your POV given the outcome of the war in 1962. Still, why would someone go with nukes when you can dominate his/her adversary in conventional warfare?

[pg_ord]

So some Indians really thought China was gonna lose in conventional warfare and would have to make use of nukes to contain this superpower of India back then?
okay let me borrow a sentence frequently used by China's "taller than mountain" friend to justify providing safe haven and training to terrorists.

Intentions don't matter, capabilities do.
It is waste of time debating about India/Pakistan/China/US/Russia having nukes.....what is anyone going to do about it anyways?

[hulaku]

Our KNOWLEDGABLE hulaku will certainly skip your reply and chose deliberately to ignore this historical fact.
Actually all the party faithful ignore to see the links and sources that I give with my arguments. Even the party faithful on foreign deployment in places like Canada ignore the same and spout the same old CCP propaganda which in this age of information doesnt work as the facts are only a Google search away.


So some Indians really thought China was gonna lose in conventional warfare and would have to make use of nukes to contain this superpower of India back then?
Sire where did this poor and starving Indian suggest that China went nuclear because of threat from India. I said that India went nuclear because of the percieved threat from the wannabe superpower China. Why is it so hard to understand? And I was also commenting on China's excellent proliferation record and its nuclear arming of Pakistan, North Korea and maybe in the future Iran. It seems providing technology for WMD's for unstable and vulnerable states is high on the agenda of the CCP. And none of the party faithful is coming forward with an explanation for the same.


Wouldn't that be completely unnecessary since that would be idiotic of the CCP leadership to turn the entire universe agaisnt them?
The entire universe already loves the CCP


Again, you are overstating your importance here. We can understand your POV given the outcome of the war in 1962. Still, why would someone go with nukes when you can dominate his/her adversary in conventional warfare?
Do you know sire that India offered China a bilatertal no-use of nuclear weapons pact. And guess what, the great supahpower China refused. I wonder why? Can any comrade comment on the same/


Even China, the most self-righteous doctrinal champion of no first use, has rejected India's overtures for a bilateral pact, not wishing to be seen to bestow any form of nuclear legitimacy on a power it likes to pretend is not a rival.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303695604575183071648257784.html

[cn_habs]

Actually all the party faithful ignore to see the links and sources that I give with my arguments. Even the party faithful on foreign deployment in places like Canada ignore the same and spout the same old CCP propaganda which in this age of information doesnt work as the facts are only a Google search away.

Sire where did this poor and starving Indian suggest that China went nuclear because of threat from India. I said that India went nuclear because of the percieved threat from the wannabe superpower China. Why is it so hard to understand? And I was also commenting on China's excellent proliferation record and its nuclear arming of Pakistan, North Korea and maybe in the future Iran. It seems providing technology for WMD's for unstable and vulnerable states is high on the agenda of the CCP. And none of the party faithful is coming forward with an explanation for the same.

The entire universe already loves the CCP


Do you know sire that India offered China a bilatertal no-use of nuclear weapons pact. And guess what, the great supahpower China refused. I wonder why? Can any comrade comment on the same/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303695604575183071648257784.html

Your foundless claim about the existence of threats was refuted with historical fact and all you can do is to throw out some article written under "Opinion India" section. There are gotta be trillions of different OPINIONS and biased sources out there too.

Believe them ALL if you are ignorant and naive enough. What MaCarthur said back then is all over the place but some of our dear friends have to think so highly of themselves and think a nuclearless India was a country worth nuking. Fvucking hilarious. :)

[Synthe]

"Do you know sire that India offered China a bilatertal no-use of nuclear weapons pact. And guess what, the great supahpower China refused. I wonder why? Can any comrade comment on the same"

China is a signer of the NNPT, india isn't. Non-issue issue here.

[hulaku]

Your foundless claim about the existence of threats was refuted with historical fact and all you can do is to throw out some article written under "Opinion India" section. There are gotta be trillions of different OPINIONS and biased sources out there too.
At least I try and give some sources instead of pulling statements out of my back side. But the party faithful never post a link or a source not from the Party archive. Its an article from the Wall Street Journal, which I consider a respectable publication. It might be CIA controlled for you but for me its not.


Believe them ALL if you are ignorant and naive enough. What MaCarthur said back then is all over the place but some of our dear friends have to think so highly of themselves and think a nuclearless India was a country worth nuking. Fvucking hilarious. :)
How about providing a link/ source for what MacArthur said. Is it so hard if its all over the please? Or should your ranting and screaming be taken as the source. That said its not my concern why China got nuclear weapons. My point is that India got nuclear weapons to counter China which has illegal claims and occupies Indian territory and has a percieved superiority in conventional weapons and to put a big price on the next Chinese agression. Why is it so hard to understand o Canada department comrade?

[VAMAN]

Pg Ord, Now you have stuffed up. China gaining nuclear weapons has pretty much nothing to do with India or South Asia. The soul purpose of China's nuclear weapons was to deter a soviet offensive so again, If India didn't get nuclear weapons first, neither would Pakistan.
@retaxis your assertion is totally incorrect. It makes a lot of sense in that if Pakistan could feel threatened by India's nuclear weapons then India has full right to feel threatened by China's nuclear weapon's as well. China has always been Pakistan's close military ally, and helps Pakistan in nuclear related technology. China have had disputes with both Russia and India, and had brief border conflicts with both Russia and India. In the event of war China is not going to discriminate between Russia or America or India or Japan etc. I assure you.