The Arizona approves requiring Obama to show his birth certificate

[alexz]

PHOENIX (AP) — The Arizona House has approved a bill that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot for a re-election bid.

The House approved the measure on a 31-29 vote, sending it to the Senate.

It would require U.S. presidential candidates who want to appear on the ballot in Arizona to submit documents proving they meet the constitutional requirements to be president.

Supporters say the bill would help settle a controversy over whether Obama was born in the United States.

Opponents say it's a waste of time that makes Arizona mocked by the rest of the country. Obama has released his Hawaii birth certificate proving he's a "natural-born citizen" qualified to be president.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/21/ariz-house-votes-check-candidates-citizenship/

[Ordie]

Does this mean we can confirm that McCain was born in Panama.

[HollywoodMarine]

Dude... McCain was born to US born parents on a US Naval Station. Obama was born to an American, and an outsider parents on who knows where.

[Clear_blues]

****ign stupid, ****ing grow up already and fix the **** that needs fixing instead of passing bull**** wastes of paper like this.

[Chulo]

Does this mean we can confirm that McCain was born in Panama.
Checked, vetted and accepted- we all know he was, and we know its legal.

[Rapier55]

So this (http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg) was a forgery?
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[Rilence]

So this (http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg) was a forgery?
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Don't you dare try bringing facts into this.

[LineDoggie]

Wonder how this would have affected Arizonas favorite Son

Barry Goldwater was born there before it was a US State

Frankly I am at a loss to explain why this myth is still going strong

Obamas Mother-US Citizen
Obama born in Hawaii-US State

I can't stand the scumbag, but at some point this becomes total insanity people, He is as American as I am. You want to get rid of him you VOTE him out of Office, thats the American way.

[szr]

So this (http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg) was a forgery?
119763That pic looks like it was typed up in MS Office in Arial font. Typewriter-produced documents didn't look like that in 1961.

Not saying the President isn't a natural born citizen.

[FlintHillBilly]

Anything can be forged easily these days. With so many questions regarding his past that have been covered up or changed around people will always ask for PROOF. Either way there is nothing that can be done or will be done for that matter. As for Arizona doing this? No idea why, not like anything will happen. I think it just goes to show you there are alot of people out there who still do not believe/want proof or want questions answered.


That pic looks like it was typed up in MS Office in Arial font. Typewriter-produced documents didn't look like that in 1961.

Not saying the President isn't a natural born citizen.

And yes, that does look like something typed up in MS Office in Arial font real quick. Or maybe they hired an Iranian to do some magic in photoshop on the document.

[szr]

The bill is an attempt to communicate to Washington how serious the issues of immigration, legal residence and citizenship are to a border state like Arizona.

[shocker1]

Does this mean we can confirm that McCain was born in Panama.
Maybe if his name was Juan Carlos people would take a second look. People are shallow like that. Now is it true Obama signed an executive order sealing his documents? Did he receive a Fulbright Scholarship? Did he call into radio talk shows at times using the name Barry Soetoro?

The answer to the first question is no but the Order in question can be portrayed that way. I have no answers for the last two. Meanwhile VAT is being pushed and a global taxation system to tax banking which will be trickling down to the poor minorities struggling with their electoral decisions. Global Tax = Global Governance + taxation without representation.

[Panchito12]

Maybe if his name was Juan Carlos people would take a second look....

rofl I guarantee you that somewhere in the US some illegal named Juan Carlos has tried to pass a fake birth certificate of Barak Obamap-)

[Sootan]

I thought you American's have bigger problems..... :lol:

[Chulo]

I thought you American's have bigger problems..... :lol:
What could be bigger than a non-American leading America in the wrong direction?

Not that I believe in the birther issue fully, but you can see why it is a big deal for them.

[seraosha]

Well atleast it will put that "issue" to rest. Seems silly, but hey...I'm not holding out on a lot of faith with American politics lately.

[Jobu]

The Arizona approves requiring Obama to show his birth certificate


The Arizona?

Is that anything like The Iraq, like, such as?

[Kaplanr]

Of course when Nebraska, Minnesota or New York pass legislation questioning the ability of Arizona to pass valid judgement on any candidate's qualifications we're back where we started - getting nothing worthwhile done.

[seraosha]

Of course when Nebraska, Minnesota or New York pass legislation questioning the ability of Arizona to pass valid judgement on any candidate's qualifications we're back where we started - getting nothing worthwhile done.

That's not how it works, silly.

[deagle]

shouldn't arizona be more concerned about the legal status of its population instead ?

[Euroamerican]

Anything that can slow down or distract Mr "Get Everything Done Now because we have to Change" is fine with me.

[LS1 Miata]

What could be bigger than a non-American leading America in the wrong direction?

Not that I believe in the birther issue fully, but you can see why it is a big deal for them.

It isn't a big deal. He's already been proven to be an American. The people who cling to the birth certificate conspiracy theories are just butthurt that they're "team" lost the election, and are still in denial that a black guy with the middle name of "Hussein" got into office.

[JJC]

What's next, Alabama passing a bill requiring Obama to prove if he is Muslim or Christian? :|p-)rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

[Breerman]

It isn't a big deal. He's already been proven to be an American. The people who cling to the birth certificate conspiracy theories are just butthurt that they're "team" lost the election, and are still in denial that a black guy with the middle name of "Hussein" got into office.
I don't see any reason to doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, but I find it intriguing that people go to such lengths and fight with such irate desperation in order to keep the original locked away.

[Laconian]

I don't see any reason to doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, but I find it intriguing that people go to such lengths and fight with such irate desperation in order to keep the original locked away.

I find it intriguing that you brought up a post this old to add nothing of value.

[Corrupt]

I find it intriguing that you brought up a post this old to add nothing of value.

Standard internet rules of threadromancy state that the post must add nothing of value to the discussion.

[LS1 Miata]

I don't see any reason to doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii, but I find it intriguing that people go to such lengths and fight with such irate desperation in order to keep the original locked away.

The original has already been shown.

[budgie]

Well atleast it will put that "issue" to rest. Seems silly, but hey...I'm not holding out on a lot of faith with American politics lately.

I don't think it will rest. Here's what would happen:

1) the White house presents the birth certificate to the relevant Arizona state authorities and they vet and approve it.

2) The birthers still complain because they haven't personally seen it and held it in their hands, and of course any reproduction on the interwebz is almost definitely a forgery or photoshop, right? Riiiigghht....

[C.Puffs]

Here's what would happen:

1) the White house presents the birth certificate to the relevant Arizona state authorities and they vet and approve it.

2) The birthers still complain because they haven't personally seen it and held it in their hands, and of course any reproduction on the interwebz is almost definitely a forgery or photoshop, right? Riiiigghht....

Sounds like a Truther.

[budgie]

Sounds like a Truther.

9/11 truther? me? Just because I'm not a birther? Gonna be a hard one to prove. Good luck finding a single quote from me since 2004 to support that argument.

[LineDoggie]

I don't think it will rest. Here's what would happen:

1) the White house presents the birth certificate to the relevant Arizona state authorities and they vet and approve it.

2) The birthers still complain because they haven't personally seen it and held it in their hands, and of course any reproduction on the interwebz is almost definitely a forgery or photoshop, right? Riiiigghht....

The Press could always print a picture of the Original Document instead of the Laserjet copy. That would stop this crap dead in its tracks, cut the idiots legs out from underneath them.

For the record I believe Obama to be Native Born in Hawaii to a US Citizen.

[C.Puffs]

9/11 truther? me? Just because I'm not a birther? Gonna be a hard one to prove. Good luck finding a single quote from me since 2004 to support that argument.

Jeez, you have something you want to share with us? ;-) I was referring to the obstinate denial of a thing despite all evidence to the contrary. In other words a "Birther" sounds much like a "Truther".

[LineDoggie]

There is a certain amount if Insane crossover in the Birther/Truther ranks.

[randy10]

So this (http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg) was a forgery?
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It is a waste of time and effort in trying to placate lunatics in our society.

Same goes for the 911 conspiracy theories...

[LineDoggie]

It is a waste of time and effort in trying to placate lunatics in our society.

Same goes for the 911 conspiracy theories...Again, the issue with this was trying to pass a November, 2001 laserjet copy form off as the Original. It fed the lunatics paranoia

Print the original and you destroy the core of the insane conspiracy, like cutting the head off a snake it dies.

[LS1 Miata]

Sounds like a Truther.

Exactly! :lol:

[IconOfEvi]

tbh, Im not sure what I believe anymore

That said, we've had many foreigners who're much more patriotic than many Americans, and some Americans who would have liked nothing better than to destroy the US. So in a different sense, the issue is irrelevant - whether he is US born or foreign, it makes no difference - he's married to an ideology that imo, hates everything this country stands for

[IMTT]

Who does Arizona think they are requiring the King, President & comrade to validate he is a citizen. Besides he can spend another million to prevent them from knowing the truth whatever that may be... He has nothing to hide, his attorneys said so!

[0rphie]

So this (http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg) was a forgery?
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The birth certificate is not the same a certificate of live birth, which was presented. The certificate of live birth can be legally obtained in HI on a birth that took place outside of HI or the USA.

[Mein Teil]

This thing is a load of crap, a political stunt and it make Arizona look foolish IMO.

[IMTT]

Perhaps a ploy to get attention just prior to the election to garner more votes for the right in this window of doubt and opportunity. Nicely done I must say and greta timing...

[MN_Air]

He isn't white, and he isn't a Republican, so he obviously isn't an American! Duh!:roll:

[Mein Teil]

He isn't white, and he isn't a Republican, so he obviously isn't an American! Duh!:roll:
That statement was even more stupid than this law.

[LS1 Miata]

The Birthers are a godsend to liberals, because they (incorrectly) make conservatives look like retards.

[Yves Adele Harlow]

Does this mean we can confirm that McCain was born in Panama.
Checked, vetted and accepted- we all know he was, and we know its legal.

Really?

Frankly I couldn't care less <--- (the operative phrase for those thinking I'm looking for an argument :) ), but the legal arguments regarding McCain are more compelling than this Obama birth certificate BS. 'Course, we didn't see a bunch on the left getting all upset over McCain's status....

McCain may not meet the Natural Born Citizen requirement. This is an interesting read:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9655858/Ted-Chiappari-McCain-NBC-Question

I guess my only comment is that we make some things too damn complicated in this country.....

[LineDoggie]

Really?

Frankly I couldn't care less <--- (the operative phrase for those thinking I'm looking for an argument :) ), but the legal arguments regarding McCain are more compelling than this Obama birth certificate BS. 'Course, we didn't see a bunch on the left getting all upset over McCain's status....

McCain may not meet the Natural Born Citizen requirement. This is an interesting read:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9655858/Ted-Chiappari-McCain-NBC-Question

I guess my only comment is that we make some things too damn complicated in this country.....

OK, lets examine this shall we?

John Sidney McCain

Born to 2 US Citizens (Father a US Navy Officer)
Born in a US Navy Hospital
Born on a US Navy Air Station (Coco Solo)
Born in the US Panama Canal Zone

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

[Yves Adele Harlow]

OK, lets examine this shall we?

John Sidney McCain

Born to 2 US Citizens (Father a US Navy Officer)
Born in a US Navy Hospital
Born on a US Navy Air Station (Coco Solo)
Born in the US Panama Canal Zone

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

Like I said, I'm not interested in an argument - just thought I'd post an interesting legal read.

Here is what a State Department manual on U.S. citizenship has to say about children born on U.S. military installations:

Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

I'm just saying that there is an interesting legal argument on both sides..... :)

[LineDoggie]

Title 8 Chp 22 Sub chp III Part I
§ 1403. Persons born in the Canal Zone or Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904



(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.


(b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.





SOURCE:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html

[Chulo]

Title 8 Chp 22 Sub chp III Part I
§ 1403. Persons born in the Canal Zone or Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904


So the question is.. Was McCain born after 1904? I dont know... he is a darn old guy

[Mein Teil]

So the question is.. Was McCain born after 1904? I dont know... he is a darn old guy
August 29th, 1936

[budgie]

Jeez, you have something you want to share with us? ;-) I was referring to the obstinate denial of a thing despite all evidence to the contrary. In other words a "Birther" sounds much like a "Truther".


Oops, thought you meant I sounded like one.

[Yves Adele Harlow]

The argument is not whether McCain is a citizen.

As Linedoggie details, he is indeed a citizen.

Where the debate lies is whether McCain satisfies the Article Two requirement that he be a Natural Born Citizen. Linedoggie's citations do not address this. Only citizenship in general.

There are strong arguments on both sides of this issue. Strong enough that McCain felt it necessary to obtain a Senate Resolution affirming Natural Born Citizen status.
Trouble is, that resolution is non-binding which makes it next to worthless.


Anyhoo, I didn't mean to start an argument :)
Just wanted to point out that this issue is not as cut and dried as people think.

Read my original link - It is interesting:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9655858/Ted-Chiappari-McCain-NBC-Question

Cheers :)

[budgie]

The Press could always print a picture of the Original Document instead of the Laserjet copy. That would stop this crap dead in its tracks, cut the idiots legs out from underneath them.

For the record I believe Obama to be Native Born in Hawaii to a US Citizen.

As I understood it the originals were destroyed in a fire or something - along with plenty of other people's records. Are we to request such proof from everyone born in Hawaii whose records were affected? At some point the birthers have to accept that the relevant authorities have presented the relevant documents to teh best of their ability (not to mention that newspaper ad in the births sections, of which the clipping still survives) and move on.


The argument is not whether McCain is a citizen.

As Linedoggie details, he is indeed a citizen.

Where the debate lies is whether McCain satisfies the Article Two requirement that he be a Natural Born Citizen. Linedoggie's citations do not address this. Only citizenship in general.

There are strong arguments on both sides of this issue.

There's no point in bringing up McCain. His case is cut and dried. A child born to US parents on an American base (or US-administered territory) qualifies. Always did. The only reason McCain was ever brought up during the election was to show how absurd the challenges to Obama's citizenship were. It was never a valid argument itself.

[Mein Teil]

The argument is not whether McCain is a citizen.

As Linedoggie details, he is indeed a citizen.


There are strong arguments on both sides of this issue. Strong enough that McCain felt it necessary to obtain a Senate Resolution affirming Natural Born Citizen status.



...and if Obama had been born under the same circumstances as McCain, the left would be screaming just as loudly in his defence and the opposition would still be called birthers.

[Yves Adele Harlow]

There's no point in bringing up McCain. His case is cut and dried. A child born to US parents on an American base (or US-administered territory) qualifies. Always did.

Again, that does not confer Natural Born Citizen status as Article Two demands for presidential candidates.
It is a very murky legal area and far from cut and dried.....

The link I posted is a pretty good (and balanced) look at the issue.

Cheers :)

[Yves Adele Harlow]

...and if Obama had been born under the same circumstances as McCain, the left would be screaming just as loudly in his defence and the opposition would still be called birthers.

You're probably right.
I would argue in his defense -I'd have no problem with it just as I had no problem with McCain's status.

Sometimes the legal arguments do not trump common sense ;)

[LineDoggie]

As I understood it the originals were destroyed in a fire or something - along with plenty of other people's records. Are we to request such proof from everyone born in Hawaii whose records were affected? At some point the birthers have to accept that the relevant authorities have presented the relevant documents to teh best of their ability (not to mention that newspaper ad in the births sections, of which the clipping still survives) and move on. I could buy that except I have My Birth Certificate from when I was 17 and needed to apply for an Soc Sec number to join the Army and my brother had to have one for his working papers when he was 16. Your hypothosis is no one in his Family had a Copy? I just find that hard to believe. Grandparents save everything. Again this is what fed the Lunatics and made this insane movement.

[deagle]

of all the issues in arizona....

as much as NY sucks, i'd stay here before i consider moving to arizona, lol

[SierraHotel]

Again, that does not confer Natural Born Citizen status as Article Two demands for presidential candidates.
It is a very murky legal area and far from cut and dried.....

The link I posted is a pretty good (and balanced) look at the issue.

Cheers :)
All US bases, embassies, warships, planes are sovereign US soil. Just like being born in Nebraska as far as Art. II is concerned.

Obama is the president, why are people trying to turn back time? this would have been a great argument BEFORE election day, even before confirmation. Why bring this up now?

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Really, the whole Obama conspiracy is quite brilliant.

First, in 1961, some radical Muslims decided they wanted to take over the presidency. So they decided to create a man who would grow up to be the perfect presidential candidate in 47 years.
So they picked an 18-year old hippie and a had her marry a 25-year old Kenyan college student and have his baby (in Kenya, of course). They bribed Honolulu newspapers to run a fake birth announcement. They pick the name Barack Hussein Obama, so as not to attract suspicion.
Then they had the father skip town, and arrange for an Indonesian to marry the mother and raise young Barack in Indonesia. When he returned to America, they had him go to college and then law school and then work as a community organizer for several years.
All in the hope that one day, 47 years in the future, their secret Muslim sleeper agent will overcome the presumptive Democratic and the long-admired Republican war hero to be elected President of the United States.
Yes, the perfect plan.

[Sootan]

Really, the whole Obama conspiracy is quite brilliant.

First, in 1961, some radical Muslims decided they wanted to take over the presidency. So they decided to create a man who would grow up to be the perfect presidential candidate in 47 years.
So they picked an 18-year old hippie and a had her marry a 25-year old Kenyan college student and have his baby (in Kenya, of course). They bribed Honolulu newspapers to run a fake birth announcement. They pick the name Barack Hussein Obama, so as not to attract suspicion.
Then they had the father skip town, and arrange for an Indonesian to marry the mother and raise young Barack in Indonesia. When he returned to America, they had him go to college and then law school and then work as a community organizer for several years.
All in the hope that one day, 47 years in the future, their secret Muslim sleeper agent will overcome the presumptive Democratic and the long-admired Republican war hero to be elected President of the United States.
Yes, the perfect plan.

Can you hear that whirring sound? Can you see the black helicopter? Can you, huh? Run! They're coming to get you!!!!

[LS1 Miata]

Really, the whole Obama conspiracy is quite brilliant.

First, in 1961, some radical Muslims decided they wanted to take over the presidency. So they decided to create a man who would grow up to be the perfect presidential candidate in 47 years.
So they picked an 18-year old hippie and a had her marry a 25-year old Kenyan college student and have his baby (in Kenya, of course). They bribed Honolulu newspapers to run a fake birth announcement. They pick the name Barack Hussein Obama, so as not to attract suspicion.
Then they had the father skip town, and arrange for an Indonesian to marry the mother and raise young Barack in Indonesia. When he returned to America, they had him go to college and then law school and then work as a community organizer for several years.
All in the hope that one day, 47 years in the future, their secret Muslim sleeper agent will overcome the presumptive Democratic and the long-admired Republican war hero to be elected President of the United States.
Yes, the perfect plan.

*inserts the "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!" picture* :lol:

[IconOfEvi]

*inserts the "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!" picture* :lol:

http://paganmedia.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/its-a-conspiracy.jpg

Weak. Your Internet-fu skills are weak p-)



Also, all these citizenship problems would have been solved a long time ago if we had just annexed Panama, and sure, why not, annexed Nigeria.

[budgie]

I could buy that except I have My Birth Certificate from when I was 17 and needed to apply for an Soc Sec number to join the Army and my brother had to have one for his working papers when he was 16. Your hypothosis is no one in his Family had a Copy? I just find that hard to believe. Grandparents save everything. Again this is what fed the Lunatics and made this insane movement.


Okay fair assumption that he should have a copy. Since you don't buy the birther conspiracy anyway, why do you think he wouldn't produce the original if he has it?


Again, that does not confer Natural Born Citizen status as Article Two demands for presidential candidates.
It is a very murky legal area and far from cut and dried.....

The link I posted is a pretty good (and balanced) look at the issue.

Cheers :)

But a US base is soverign soil. That makes McCain a natural born citizen - as though he'd been born on the mainland. Unless you suggest he's not 'naturally' born. Immaculate conception? Science experiment? Cloned? He certainly looks he's from Jurassic Park...

[IMTT]

of all the issues in arizona....

as much as NY sucks, i'd stay here before i consider moving to arizona, lol

Excellent, spread the word to as many as you can. Tell all Arizona sucks really bad, it's not PC and its a horrible place with extremist right wingers and gun toting consertvatives EVERYWHERE.

[Scriptable]

This thread is more retarded than a young-Earth creationist debate.

http://imgur.com/rmUy8.jpg

[seraosha]

In my opinion, the best argument against the idea that President Obama is a Nigerian infiltrator is Hillary Clinton.
Just think about it.
She would have been on his ass like a rabid wolf on a porkchop if she and her people had discovered that little fact...and if you think the Clinton Machine didn't crawl up his ass with a flashlight looking for a way to nuke his shot at the White House, you've been asleep the last 20 years.

She wouldn't have been satisified with a position in the cabinet if she had that kind of leverage, VP wouldn't have been enough, nada, zilch.

She'll be our first woman President, or die trying.

[LineDoggie]

Okay fair assumption that he should have a copy. Since you don't buy the birther conspiracy anyway, why do you think he wouldn't produce the original if he has it?

I dont know, I could surmise it to simply be a mistake, thinking that the newer certificate would suffice over the copy, and I lean towards that simple reason over others.(I have 2 Copies of Mine, One is a Negative copy the background in black, writing in White. The other is a Photocopy that has darkened considerably since 1980 making it almost illegible in places). But, it might be there's something on the original that he believes embarrassing (Name, Marital Status of Parents, description of Race of Child, conception before marriage, etc). All I can say for sure is My belief he is a Native Born US Citizen, and thats all that should have been neccessary.

Unfortunately we now have a Society that thinks Obama is a Kenyan/Indonesian smuggled into Hawaii, that Bush bombed the WTC, That OBL was a CIA operative, etc. Too Many Idiots who think the X-Files is real

[seraosha]

The Truth is out there, man.

[budgie]

Let's go home, Mulder.

[IconOfEvi]

Is it just me, or did anyone else first think they saw a nutsack on the raptor to the left O_o?

[Yves Adele Harlow]

But a US base is soverign soil. That makes McCain a natural born citizen - as though he'd been born on the mainland. Unless you suggest he's not 'naturally' born. Immaculate conception? Science experiment? Cloned? He certainly looks he's from Jurassic Park...

All US bases, embassies, warships, planes are sovereign US soil. Just like being born in Nebraska as far as Art. II is concerned.

OK . . . I realize I am pissing in the wind.

One last time before I give up:

c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on
U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:
(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad
and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of
the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A
child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the
United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of
birth.
(2) The status of diplomatic and consular premises arises from the
rules of law relating to immunity from the prescriptive and
enforcement jurisdiction of the receiving State; the premises are
not part of the territory of the United States of America.
(See Restatement (Third) of Foreign Relations Law, Vol. 1, Sec.
466, Comment a and c (1987).

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf

That is the crux of the argument and why McCain found it necessary to hire Olsen and Tribe and to get that Senate Resolution prior to the election.....

Cheers :)

[LineDoggie]

Again


Title 8 Chp 22 Sub chp III Part I
§ 1403. Persons born in the Canal Zone or Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904



(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.


(b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.





SOURCE:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html)

[nemowork]

Is it just me, or did anyone else first think they saw a nutsack on the raptor to the left O_o?


Its just you, dont worry about it and if David Eicke turns up on your doorway next week to tell you how you never saw what you think you saw and the Dinosaur you never saw was the prime founder of the House of Winsaur then you know your rightwoot



Wait what :cantbeli:

[Yves Adele Harlow]

Again.....
Yes. He is a citizen. That is all your link says.
But not a Natural Born Citizen. Not because he was born on American soil. As Article Two demands (for whatever reason...).

Basically, what you are saying is that if a Mexican woman gave birth to a child at the same time and on the same military base as McCain, that child would be an American citizen.

No. That child would be a Mexican because of his parents' status just as McCain is an American citizen based on his parents' status. Neither would be considered to be born on American Soil - they do not get their citizenship from that.

The issue is Natural Born Citizen - Born on American Soil. McCain was not.
These bases are not considered American Soil within the 14th Amendment.

Technically, he wasn't even a citizen at the time of his birth. That treaty/agreement (that you cite) was not even in place until a year after McCain was born and "grandfathered" him in.


Yes, McCain is a citizen of the US.

It is very debatable whether he can be considered an NBC and thus meeting the Article 2 requirement.

I give up.

Have a good weekend :)

[IconOfEvi]

Its just you, dont worry about it and if David Eicke turns up on your doorway next week to tell you how you never saw what you think you saw and the Dinosaur you never saw was the prime founder of the House of Winsaur then you know your rightwoot



Wait what :cantbeli:

I don't know if I can trust you

You're probably one of those lizards in disguise too...