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memphiz
07-26-2004, 01:47 AM
OTTAWA -- The Canadian military has joined forces with five NATO allies to develop camouflage gear that better protects soldiers fighting in urban areas. Canadian military officials will attend a first formal meeting with NATO partners in January to lay out the creation of new high-tech uniforms.

"They've had a number of preliminary meetings and are sharing information already," said Defence Department spokesman Jeremy Sales.

"All of the six allies that are involved in this are really trying to proceed down this road."

Sales said the Canadian Forces got the go-ahead to design a pattern this spring.

The decision was based on a Canadian- commissioned report that found it was possible to create a colour scheme that could fool infrared technology and better protect soldiers working in cities.

The big hurdle for the military is figuring out a pattern that protects troops as effectively in Ottawa as it would in Kabul.

The move to develop the new gear comes as Canada increasingly deploys its soldiers to missions in urban centres, rather than in forested environments where the relish camouflage is best.

"It's going to take a while because it really is a very complex issue," Sales said.

It took the Canadian Forces a decade to develop the temperate woodland pattern and successfully print it on a uniform.

The project, from designing the pattern to distributing three sets of fatigues per soldier, cost $7.1 million.

The military also began distributing a desert-print version of the uniform last year.

Sales said the Russian and American militaries have already begun testing urban camouflage.

"This is very much something that everybody is interested in pursuing,'' Sales said.

"But nothing exists yet and they're trying to see what they can do."

Rantanplan
07-26-2004, 02:32 AM
The big hurdle for the military is figuring out a pattern that protects troops as effectively in Ottawa as it would in Kabul.


impossible

oldsoak
07-26-2004, 07:27 AM
Any idea of which 6 allies are involved ?

aartamen
07-26-2004, 06:12 PM
impossible

Not a pattern, but a mimicry suit a-la Predator.

memphiz
07-26-2004, 07:40 PM
The big hurdle for the military is figuring out a pattern that protects troops as effectively in Ottawa as it would in Kabul.


impossible
Ottawa
http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~jorchard/aerial/ottawa.jpg
Kabul
http://host.uniroma3.it/facolta/politiche/peacekeeping/news/fratini/veduta%20di%20kabul%20.jpg

Dalleer
07-26-2004, 07:46 PM
Yeah , it can't be made with "conventional" patterns in my opinion. You need the predator - style "optic camouflage" - stuff.

Midav
07-26-2004, 07:56 PM
Yeah , it can't be made with "conventional" patterns in my opinion. You need the predator - style "optic camouflage" - stuff.

http://i.timeinc.net/time/2003/inventions/images/invinvisible.jpg


THE INVISIBLE MAN
Inventor: Susumu Tachi, Masahiko Inami and Naoki Kawakami

Harry Potter isn't the only academic with an invisibility cloak. A professor at the University of Tokyo has created an optical camouflage system that makes anyone wearing a special reflective material seem to disappear. Here's how: a video camera records the real-life scenery behind the subject, transmits that image to a front-mounted projector, which then displays the scene on the reflective material. The system has obvious military applications and could also be used in airplane cockpits to make landings easier for pilots.

Time magazine (http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html)

Slowly, but surely, we're getting there.

Fee Fi Fo Fum
07-26-2004, 08:18 PM
Yeah , it can't be made with "conventional" patterns in my opinion. You need the predator - style "optic camouflage" - stuff.

http://i.timeinc.net/time/2003/inventions/images/invinvisible.jpg


THE INVISIBLE MAN
Inventor: Susumu Tachi, Masahiko Inami and Naoki Kawakami

Harry Potter isn't the only academic with an invisibility cloak. A professor at the University of Tokyo has created an optical camouflage system that makes anyone wearing a special reflective material seem to disappear. Here's how: a video camera records the real-life scenery behind the subject, transmits that image to a front-mounted projector, which then displays the scene on the reflective material. The system has obvious military applications and could also be used in airplane cockpits to make landings easier for pilots.

Time magazine (http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invinvisible.html)

Slowly, but surely, we're getting there.

i remember reading about this on the bbc but this aint a portible jacket, you need a projecter screen on 1 side :bash: lol

EvanL
07-26-2004, 08:25 PM
The big hurdle for the military is figuring out a pattern that protects troops as effectively in Ottawa as it would in Kabul.


impossible
Ottawa
http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~jorchard/aerial/ottawa.jpg
Kabul
http://host.uniroma3.it/facolta/politiche/peacekeeping/news/fratini/veduta%20di%20kabul%20.jpg
Now move the camera a little to the left, past the corn fields and u will see my house. ;)
Up towards the top about 2 inches down from the middle is where i grew up.

Midav
07-26-2004, 08:29 PM
i remember reading about this on the bbc but this aint a portible jacket, you need a projecter screen on 1 side :bash: lol

Like I said, slowly but surely we are getting there. Things don't develop overnight.

However, the military is interested in this, meaning it's bound to get more money and people, helping to speed up production to what may and will be a better, smaller, cheaper and more reliable system ;)

Romulus
07-26-2004, 08:34 PM
Wasn't this the original design?

http://anekdota.dyndns.org/jotd18/att-0379/01-Camouflage.jpg

usa320
07-26-2004, 09:23 PM
Whats the need for 1 single pattern. If having a desert pattern and a woodland camo pattern is more effective, then they should have 2 seperate patterns.