KSK - Training video

[Macs.]

http://www.kabel1.de/php-bin/scripts/cvideo/cvideo.php?ksk,,1,,333,,NULL,,redirect.streaming.szm.de/redirect/redirect.php?type=vod&codec=real&stream=K1/leben/al240603/ksk_320.rm,,1,,1

[He219]

Nice video, Macs!

:D

[caleb]

Awesome video, very interresting. Luckily, General Günzel is not anymore in charge of the KSK.

[Midav]

Very good video! Those guys rock woot

[Harlequin]

Awesome video, very interresting. Luckily, General Günzel is not anymore in charge of the KSK.
Though his remark were inapropriate, he was still a very capable leader and soldier and acredited by his troops as one.

[caleb]

Awesome video, very interresting. Luckily, General Günzel is not anymore in charge of the KSK.
Though his remark were inapropriate, he was still a very capable leader and soldier and acredited by his troops as one.

I don't care if he's capable and a good soldier or not, someone with his ideology is dangerous in such positions. We in Germany must still be careful what kind of persons have leading positions in our army. That's beacuse I wrote "Luckily", his behaviour was unacceptable and deserved to be condemmned.

Just my 2 cents.

[Dennis G]

Awesome video, very interresting. Luckily, General Günzel is not anymore in charge of the KSK.
Though his remark were inapropriate, he was still a very capable leader and soldier and acredited by his troops as one.

I don't care if he's capable and a good soldier or not, someone with his ideology is dangerous in such positions. We in Germany must still be careful what kind of persons have leading positions in our army. That's beacuse I wrote "Luckily", his behaviour was unacceptable and deserved to be condemmned.

Just my 2 cents.

Tell me about him.

[caleb]

Awesome video, very interresting. Luckily, General Günzel is not anymore in charge of the KSK.
Though his remark were inapropriate, he was still a very capable leader and soldier and acredited by his troops as one.

I don't care if he's capable and a good soldier or not, someone with his ideology is dangerous in such positions. We in Germany must still be careful what kind of persons have leading positions in our army. That's beacuse I wrote "Luckily", his behaviour was unacceptable and deserved to be condemmned.

Just my 2 cents.

Tell me about him.


It was quite a story in Germany: A rather unknown local politician held a speech that featured some antisemitic statements and that followed a wave of condemnation among the gouvernment and the population.
This politician was expelled from his party but General Günzel wrote a letter to this man in wich he congratulated him for his "brave" statements.
General Günzel was ultimately fired from his position and (I think!) lost all his ranks and honors.

[seventy6er]

Can you save the file as mpg or wmv??

[Harlequin]

I don't care if he's capable and a good soldier or not, someone with his ideology is dangerous in such positions. We in Germany must still be careful what kind of persons have leading positions in our army. That's beacuse I wrote "Luckily", his behaviour was unacceptable and deserved to be condemmned.
I think you are wrong for i believe being too careful and not talking about it increases time we need to rid ourselves of wrong prejudices and its burden. I as well am sick of being always confronted with this by people who have not the slightest idea about todays germany and only _believe_ to know how _germans_ are, measured on what they read about the 2nd World War. Though Hohmanns speach itself was politically ill-chosen, the media torn it's context and meaning apart and pushed it into an anti-jewish corner when the speech itself is nothing of that sort. It is more an expression of frustration rather then aggression and when even the former commander of the KSK agrees so whole-hearted, one could only assume that in his former job he was also confronted with this more than once which is quiet disturbing as well.

I believe you have not read the speech yourself; that's why i post the link here. Though i do not agree with him on all subjects. I especially disagree that only because one has to deal with those accusations as a german all the time, it is wise to search for errors and faults in the history of others - who usually accuse. I believe the media was just on a witch hunt for what is most condemned is not being german but german patriotism - IMO gravely misunderstood as being right winged or being a Nazi - simply because i know no other western country which has so _little_ patriotism except in sports.
Here the text of the speech. Make up your own mind:
http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/15981/1.html

PS
I do not see no reason to be careful for i know no german, including me, who supports what was done under the Hitler-rule and right wingers can be found in each and every country, with little difference about their degree of violance - that's not only in germany. In this context i only believe that i as german, have no reason to be ashamed for i am no longer willing to bear the burden and to carry the sins of our grand- fathers.

[Dennis G]

Can you save the file as mpg or wmv??

You can use Shareaza to download it.

[ArmyRanger]

actually sticking each other with needles....greaat.

Looks awsom. wish i knew wtf they were saying

[baker]

real great vid woot

[caleb]

I don't care if he's capable and a good soldier or not, someone with his ideology is dangerous in such positions. We in Germany must still be careful what kind of persons have leading positions in our army. That's beacuse I wrote "Luckily", his behaviour was unacceptable and deserved to be condemmned.
I think you are wrong for i believe being too careful and not talking about it increases time we need to rid ourselves of wrong prejudices and its burden. I as well am sick of being always confronted with this by people who have not the slightest idea about todays germany and only _believe_ to know how _germans_ are, measured on what they read about the 2nd World War. Though Hohmanns speach itself was politically ill-chosen, the media torn it's context and meaning apart and pushed it into an anti-jewish corner when the speech itself is nothing of that sort. It is more an expression of frustration rather then aggression and when even the former commander of the KSK agrees so whole-hearted, one could only assume that in his former job he was also confronted with this more than once which is quiet disturbing as well.

I believe you have not read the speech yourself; that's why i post the link here. Though i do not agree with him on all subjects. I especially disagree that only because one has to deal with those accusations as a german all the time, it is wise to search for errors and faults in the history of others - who usually accuse. I believe the media was just on a witch hunt for what is most condemned is not being german but german patriotism - IMO gravely misunderstood as being right winged or being a Nazi - simply because i know no other western country which has so _little_ patriotism except in sports.
Here the text of the speech. Make up your own mind:
http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/15981/1.html

PS
I do not see no reason to be careful for i know no german, including me, who supports what was done under the Hitler-rule and right wingers can be found in each and every country, with little difference about their degree of violance - that's not only in germany. In this context i only believe that i as german, have no reason to be ashamed for i am no longer willing to bear the burden and to carry the sins of our grand- fathers.

I've read the speech and although he adresses the common problem of German patriotism and the feeling of many Germans of being left behind by it's own gouvernment, I and every humanistic educated man would label his speech as antisemitic. To say the jews are also a "Tätervolk" is not only historicaly wrong, doesn't fit the context but is just plain stupid.

Just because some jews helped an supported the idea of marxism and bolschewism, that hasn't anything to do with the history of us Germans as being the ones to drive the whole world in the most deadliest and bloodiest war ever known. Do you get it? The comparison "Daher könnte man Juden mit einiger Berechtigung als Tätervolk bezeichnen. Das mag erschreckend klingen. Es würde aber der gleichen Logik folgen, mit der man Deutsche als Tätervolk bezeichnet" is lame and stupid.

It has nothing to do with a so-called "logic" what determines the "Hereditary sin" of us Germans, but the fact that we, as a whole nation, committed one of the biggest crimes against humanity in world history. Jews never elected Hitler (well, most of them), jews never were Commanders of concentration camps, jews never started a war against it's neighbours and jews didn't command the massacres in russian, itlaian, french, danisch, greek, etc. villages. Don't tell me, this statement is pulled out of context, he wrote it this way and every sane mind in this world can see what his intentions were. Even though he says in the next sentence that neither ther Germans nor the Jews are a "Nation of Action" (Tätervolk) it is also wrong due to the wrong and stupid comparison I elaborated before. I can't write everything I have on my mind about that issue cause it would be too time-consuming and I lack the necessary english skills and I didn't want to write in my mother language.

But again: Just some thoughts

[Harlequin]

Do you get it? The comparison "Daher könnte man Juden mit einiger Berechtigung als Tätervolk bezeichnen. Das mag erschreckend klingen. Es würde aber der gleichen Logik folgen, mit der man Deutsche als Tätervolk bezeichnet" is lame and stupid.
Yes i do get it and i don't consider him right winged nonetheless. I also said that i consider it wrong and unwise to search for errors and faults in the history of those, who accuse todays germans as still being obliged to carry on the burden of the past. I do not want to downplay what happened for it is unique in the sense of industrial murder of human beings in history. Every german deals with this issue intensively starting in 9th grade or even earlier with the history lessons and lasts for whereever or whenever he travels abroad.

I only don't see the point i.e. making me responsible for the sins of my grand-fathers generation - when i at no point have anything to do with it - i did neither chose where or by whom i get born - and apart from my nationality, i have nothing in common with the Nazis or their generation.

[caleb]

Do you get it? The comparison "Daher könnte man Juden mit einiger Berechtigung als Tätervolk bezeichnen. Das mag erschreckend klingen. Es würde aber der gleichen Logik folgen, mit der man Deutsche als Tätervolk bezeichnet" is lame and stupid.
Yes i do get it and i don't consider him right winged nonetheless. I also said that i consider it wrong and unwise to search for errors and faults in the history of those, who accuse todays germans as still being obliged to carry on the burden of the past. I do not want to downplay what happened for it is unique in the sense of industrial murder of human beings in history. Every german deals with this issue intensively starting in 9th grade or even earlier with the history lessons and lasts for whereever or whenever he travels abroad.

I only don't see the point i.e. making me responsible for the sins of my grand-fathers generation - when i at no point have anything to do with it - i did neither chose where or by whom i get born - and apart from my nationality, i have nothing in common with the Nazis or their generation.

I know what you mean and I totaly respect your opinion. But nevertheless did Hohmann make statements that leave me with the bitter taste of denial and antisemitism and not because I think we should still bear the burden of our past but because he did use some expression that I can't let go through undisputed.

The dilemma is that it is so difficult for us Germans to find the right path between the Memory of our past and the new national identity that our generation should feel. Where are the boundaries between dealing with what happened and total denial of our culture? Fact is, that many many people in Germany can't find the right way and so stray between honest patriotism and unconsciousness.
They simply don't know where to draw the line or how to deal with their culutural heritage.
Look where we are now, we still can't say we are proud to be German in public, yes, even in the midset of our friends but is this a good thing?
Is it a necessary phenomenon to show the rest of the world and not at least OURSELFS how we have changed? I think we're still not ready for it, as long as speeches like the one of Hohmann leads to such discussions.
It shows that we Germans still didn't learn to deal with our past, in 60 years we couldn't find the right answers to the questions asked by our children and asked by ourselfs.
Will this ever change? Maybe on the long run, maybe never? Or maybe it's the cost of wars like we have fought in our past, the price of unspeakable barbarism commited by our grandfathers?

Should we still bear the burden? I guess not but tell me how to find the right way then....you can't and that's the problem...

[Catch22]

Well... thanks a bunch Macs for an interesting vid. But my regards goes also to Caleb and Harlequin for giving me very interesting and rare occasion to get some insight on how you, younger generation of Germans percieve question of national identity and patriotism. I'd always remember this brilliant essay from Carl Jaspers - "The question of gulit", written just in 1946 - perhaps it'll answer some of your questions meine freunde...

[Freibier]

Well... thanks a bunch Macs for an interesting vid. But my regards goes also to Caleb and Harlequin for giving me very interesting and rare occasion to get some insight on how you, younger generation of Germans percieve question of national identity and patriotism. I'd always remember this brilliant essay from Carl Jaspers - "The question of gulit", written just in 1946 - perhaps it'll answer some of your questions meine freunde...
good point catch22
http://www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/abbl/nationalsozialismus/jaspers.htm

[Vulture IT]

Can you save the file as mpg or wmv??

You must use StreamDown to download it.
Bye.

[cold0]

I have some strange problem with this video, and even with the GSG-9 one.
Somewhat the video seems to be limited to 10 mega. I can't see the videos or download them after their first 10 mega.

No one has an idea of what happened?

[Vulture IT]

I have some strange problem with this video, and even with the GSG-9 one.
Somewhat the video seems to be limited to 10 mega. I can't see the videos or download them after their first 10 mega.

No one has an idea of what happened?

Did you try StreamDown?
I downloaded all videos successfully with this program.
Bye.

[cold0]

Did you try StreamDown?
I downloaded all videos successfully with this program.
Bye.

Yes. It work perfectly but, when I have downloaded 10 mega, it dosen't received mora data from the site. The same happens if I try to watch the video: after 10 mega of stream video it stops.

[Vulture IT]

What version have you?
I've got version 3.3 shareware.
Bye.

[cold0]

3.3 even for me. I doubt that it's a Stremdown problem. I think that something isn't working correctly on the site...

[radon]

Nice video.

I read the speech. Imho he crossed the line with being too political. But I dont think he is a nazi. But still antisemitic. I recommend everyone to read the whole text , it is interesting. The text ends like this.


Connecting element of the bolshevism and the national socialism was thus the religion-hostile adjustment and the Gottlosigkeit. Therefore is neither "die Deutschen", still "die Juden" an author people. With full right however one can say: God lots with their Godless ideologies, them were the author people of the last, bloody century. These Godless ideologies gave "Vollstreckern the Boesen" the justification, the good conscience with their crimes. So they did not know itself sovereign over the goettliche requirement "Du are morden" jump over. Historically a unique millionfold murders was the result. Therefore, Ladies and Gentlemen, I plead decided for a back meditation for our religious roots and connections. Only they will prevent similar disasters, how they prepared us God lots. The Christian religion is a religion of the life. Christ said: "Ich it wants that they have the life and that it haben" it in abundance; (Joh 10, 10). Thus not only the jenseitige is, but completely concretely meant our material today's living and surviving. Therefore it is also so important that we take up the God purchase to the European condition. My very much honoured ladies and Mr., we saw thus that the reproach "Taetervolk" to the Germans absolutely,; to be, the thing passes and is unauthorized. We should resist in the future together this reproach. Our guidance saying is: Justice for Germany, justice for Germans. I come in the end and legend: With God into a good future for Europe! With God into a good future particularly for our German native country!

[Vulture IT]

3.3 even for me. I doubt that it's a Stremdown problem. I think that something isn't working correctly on the site...

Ok ok, send to me your msn address and i will send to you all 2 videos.
Bye.