Dramatic showdown (Oka Crisis)

[EvanL]

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-99-581/conflict_war/oka/clip7

watch the footage.

[memphiz]

This was all effed up, they should have reacted much faster when the police officer was killed.
The soldiers also did great, because Im sure alot of them wanted to shoot a couple of the armed mohawks, but they didnt.

[EvanL]

i believe they were all reserve soldiers as well.

[cqbrdy]

so,
the canadians went in to secure a golf course
that the local indians blocked off.

[BadKarma26]

What the **** is going on in Canada?!?!

[memphiz]

What the f*** is going on in Canada?!?!
It was like 11 years ago

[EvanL]

The natives made a road block, blocking the traffic. TGhey made it cus they were opposed to the building of a golf course on their land. they killed a cop, and terrorized the area running around with automatic weapons. Its not a laughing matter.

[scrybe]

I hadn't heard anything about that. The protestors looked like they were pretty well equipped though. Hopefully no one has to die.

[BadKarma26]

Jesus! I know that if this happened in the states all those indians would be dead!

[EvanL]

Jesus! I know that if this happened in the states all those indians would be dead!
The reserve that this was on actually stretches over the border into the states.

[memphiz]

Jesus! I know that if this happened in the states all those indians would be dead!
oh yeah, they were armed with Ak-47's, and a Mohawk sniper killed the cop

[tuckerhat]

wow. im that oblivious to canadian history/current events.

[BadKarma26]

Does Canada have an equivilant to Americas ATF?

[EvanL]

Does Canada have an equivilant to Americas ATF?
The RCMP and provincial police take care of that role.
Quebec and Ontario are the only provinces to have their own provincial police e.g.) Quebec- QPP, and ONtario- OPP
Newfoundland has the Newfoundland Constabulary, but the RCMP operates in Newfoundland on a larger role than them i believe.

[Otsoa]

i believe they were all reserve soldiers as well.

Not all were reserve. My cousin was in a regular force artillery unit and he was posted to Oka with his unit to conduct de-mining patrols. He remarked to me that he was surprised things went as smooth as they were, relatively speaking.

[cqbrdy]

sounds like that FBI story out in the midwest.

[kutter]

One of my teachers was an a military policeman at the time and he said it was scary how well armed the Mohawks were. They destroyed most of the guns they used at Oka but it didn't take long for them to get replacements. Unfortunately the Kaneshsatake territory (where the Oka crisis took place)is still a scene of territorial disputes. Its only a matter of time until "Oka Pt. II" happens. :(

[Otsoa]

Too bad the CBC doesn't have anything on the old Gustafson Lake crisis that happened up near Williams Lake B.C. Heard some stories about it from my old boss(serving RCMP) and another officer that were up there.

[EvanL]

Too bad the CBC doesn't have anything on the old Gustafson Lake crisis that happened up near Williams Lake B.C. Heard some stories about it from my old boss(serving RCMP) and another officer that were up there.
Thats when the RCMP ERT came in with APCs and tried to get clearance from the military to use Hi Powered Sniper rifles correct?

[cqbrdy]

by hi powered you mean .308/7.62?

[EvanL]

by hi powered you mean .308/7.62?
hi powered sniper rifles.
im not too familiar with guns so i dont know the calibres.

[Otsoa]

The sniper rifles were there and there were rumours that some "shady types" from the military were out there as well(later to be disputed by the military and so far proven to be false). They did have the Bisons and other APCs. My old boss was able to drive the Bison and they did recieve incoming rounds from the natives that were holed up on the land.

One time there were several officers in a Bison that was real close to the compound that was recieving a bit of fire and the natives were trying to throw molotov cocktails into the sensitive parts of the Bison. A friend's father was in the back, turned to a officer next to him and, in a native impression said "today is a good day to die brother" Apparantly the officer next to him didn't appreciate black humour :lol:

[EvanL]

The sniper rifles were there and there were rumours that some "shady types" from the military were out there as well(later to be disputed by the military and so far proven to be false). They did have the Bisons and other APCs. My old boss was able to drive the Bison and they did recieve incoming rounds from the natives that were holed up on the land.

One time there were several officers in a Bison that was real close to the compound that was recieving a bit of fire and the natives were trying to throw molotov cocktails into the sensitive parts of the Bison. A friend's father was in the back, turned to a officer next to him and, in a native impression said "today is a good day to die brother" Apparantly the officer next to him didn't appreciate black humour :lol:
dont u mean "red" humour?
ohhhh snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap p-)

[Otsoa]

lol, Red humour ;)

[ArmyRanger]

If they were really hardcore they would have droped the Ak-47s and picked up tomahawks and bows.....bunch of pussys :P

[graphicsguy at PH]

i believe they were all reserve soldiers as well.
Negative 5 Brigade elements of 2 RCR and one of the Vanduh, oops i mean Vandoo Regt's.

[Otsoa]

dbl post

[EvanL]

i believe they were all reserve soldiers as well.
Negative 5 Brigade elements of 2 RCR and one of the Vanduh, oops i mean Vandoo Regt's.
Thanks for the clarification

[American Patriot]

So did the Canucks kill all the rebelious Injuns?

[memphiz]

One of my teachers was an a military policeman at the time and he said it was scary how well armed the Mohawks were. They destroyed most of the guns they used at Oka but it didn't take long for them to get replacements. Unfortunately the Kaneshsatake territory (where the Oka crisis took place)is still a scene of territorial disputes. Its only a matter of time until "Oka Pt. II" happens. :(
Oh yeah

[ctcboy]

No none of the Indians were killed. The army forced a peaceful end to the situation.
Years of experience in peacekeeping operations payed off in spades.

[Germaine]

i believe they were all reserve soldiers as well.
no most were regs Van Doos and RCR not including armoured regiments

[Johnnyringo]

Kind of funny... how the Mohawk guy keeps shouting "shoot me! shoot me!" because he's afraid to fire the first shot.

Typical posturing...

Great clip though.

[EvanL]

One has to understand the Mohawk culture though. They are a warrior tribe. Not one to give up very easily. We can thank our lucky stars that it didnt escalate beyond what it did. And we cant count our luck for too long either cus this type of action is boujnd to happen again.

[Johnnyringo]

Obviously the Canadians did the right thing, advancing slowly yet deliberately.
Pretty much a textbook view of how to deal with a civil disturbance.

[andyrew_21]

The natives(selected few) have given the canadian government alot of trouble in the last 15 years. With all of the smuggling operations, and disturbances like the oka incident, its a real shame. And with weapons like Ak-47's and RPG's like they are known to have, the problem grows.

To comment on the clip, there had to have been much more going on there than the eye can see. You gotta believe there was sniper teams all over that area, as well as observation and recon teams.

[aartamen]

Jesus! I know that if this happened in the states all those indians would be dead!

There was an incident not 5 years ago in NY State. I do not think anyone gooten killed though. Indians won basically.