Even Forced to Kill - israeli spy in a terrorist group

[Yosy]

This is a book by Nima Zamar. Very hard to find (isn't available in Amazon) and blocked in Germany, this books tells the (real!) story of Zamar inside a terrorist group. Mossad denies that the book is factual. Anyone already read it - I'm off to buy it.

[IDFM203]

Mossad denies that the book is factual, but, if it is fiction, then why block it in numerous countries? ;) I don’t understand, the Mossad is blocking it in other countries? I mean did they attempt to do that, if so can you show me links?

Secondly do you have any links on where the Mossad said it’s not true and lastly, who the hell is she and how did you hear of this book?

btw does she have proof that she served in the Mossad?

Shalom :D

[mocking_loudly_died]

If IDFM203's questions are left unanswered expect an extraction team to visit you within 24 hours - you know too much.

[IDFM203]

If IDFM203's questions are left unanswered expect an extraction team to visit you within 24 hours - you know too much. rofl rofl rofl

Though come on now, you should know better, I mean I am insulted.













































its within Ten hours ;)



Shalom :hug:

[mocking_loudly_died]

I'm just upset Mossad doesn't pay me more attention.... :oops:
I've read all of Andy McNab's books - surely I'm now an asset to such an organization.

Not to mention my fetish (skills) for spying on the neighbors while they shower.

[W(M)D]

Mossad denies that the book is factual, but, if it is fiction, then why block it in numerous countries? ;) I don’t understand, the Mossad is blocking it in other countries? I mean did they attempt to do that, if so can you show me links?

Secondly do you have any links on where the Mossad said it’s not true and lastly, who the hell is she and how did you hear of this book?

btw does she have proof that she served in the Mossad?

Shalom :D

IDFM203 - You should know by now that the truth should not get in the way of a good story!!

[Yosy]

I'm just upset Mossad doesn't pay me more attention.... :oops:
I've read all of Andy McNab's books - surely I'm now an asset to such an organization.

Not to mention my fetish (skills) for spying on the neighbors while they shower.

Well I've read By Way of Deception - I'm also an asset, don't you think?

From what I could find in th Net (and it wasn't that easy): here (http://www.frenchpubagency.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bookcard&title_id=606&category_id=7&currentrow=7), here (http://www.sicmuse.com/weblog/archives/000888.htm) and here (http://www.mpacuk.org/mpac/data/532c7e05/532c7e05.jsp).

[IDFM203]

Ok now back to a serious discussion……….

Well there is not going to be any extraction teams but I do admit I was hoping for some answers from “Yosy” because I admit I don’t know anything of this, but frankly I find “Yosy’s” statement or implication that the Mossad would try to block the books from other nations as absurd (and I would be surprised if its true and if so then indeed IMO that would be a mistake on the part of the Mossad, though again that’s if they did something, though I think its highly unlikely they did this) because of the mistake the Mossad did over ten years ago when it did that to what was then a unknown book and because of the Mossad’s attempt to block it (and it did so in court injunctions in the nations that were publishing this book), it gave it all the attention it needed and the book went on to become a international bestseller (that book was “by way of deception”), so frankly to me it seems like some one made that up to promote the book, for I cant see the Mossad making that same mistake again.

And also it seems to me that perhaps the Mossad is right that it is fiction if the only “proof” is the charge that the Mossad tried to block it (that’s why I asked before if she has any PROOF that she was in the Mossad).

Now I can understand if the Mossad said the book is fiction (and in truth I would love to see a link where even the Mossad commented on this book) but trying to ban it is not something I can see them doing.

Now I am not saying the book isn’t true, just I would like to see it verified a bit more then just her saying so without any proof given that she was in.

Shalom :D

[Yosy]

Now I can understand if the Mossad said the book is fiction (and in truth I would love to see a link where even the Mossad commented on this book) but trying to ban it is not something I can see them doing.

Now I am not saying the book isn’t true, just I would like to see it verified a bit more then just her saying so without any proof given that she was in.

Shalom :D

From my second link: "Specifically, longtime Mossad head and Israeli National Security Council member Efraim Halevi told ZDF, "I have never heard of Nima Zamar and have not read this book. I know of no such person."

When the German edition of the book appeared last month, Kindler announced that the manuscript had been cleared by Halevi and the Mossad in advance of publication.

"No such book was ever submitted to me for approval during my tenure with the Mossad," Halevi told ZDF television.

He also took issue with claims in the book that of blatant human-rights abuses by Mossad functionaries.

"These are utter fabrications," he told ZDF. "

[IDFM203]

Ok so all you answered was that the Mossad commented on it (and indeed it makes sense that perhaps they would make a comment on it), however where is it anywhere that they tried to block the book as your first post claimed or insinuated? Also where is any proof that she served in the Mossad?


Shalom :D

[Yosy]

I'll have to edit my first comment: Germany withdrawn the book, not because of Mossad, but because of allegtions of fraud. My bad.

How can I proove she served in Mossad? I can't. As Victoy Ostrovsky been proven that he belonged to Mossad?

[CRAZY MERC]

I am reading Victor Ostrovsky book as we speak. Does anybody knows if that book is BS or true story?

[IDFM203]

I'll have to edit my first comment: Germany withdrawn the book, not because of Mossad, but because of allegtions of fraud. My bad. Well thanks for fixing it (or actualy going to fix it? ;) ) for there is a BIG difference in how you first (wrongly) insinuated and worded your first post to how you explain it now.


How can I proove she served in Mossad? I can't. As Victoy Ostrovsky been proven that he belonged to Mossad? yes no one disputes that he (Victor Ostrovsky) was in the Mossad, simply the dispute is that he was a low level employee and also that no matter what, besides knowing about the training (as indeed no matter what level you are on, you do go through that), for operations and the things he talks about do seem out of his reach to know and as such that is why they seem like fiction (for more on what I mean click here for a post of mine in another thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=126651&highlight=book#126651))

Now this lady here, there is a clear dispute and well the Mossad outright claims she did not serve for them and well she offers NO proof whatsoever that she did, or at least I haven’t seen any links or anything to show that she did provide some.

Even that link you brought to me from the The Times, London., even they claim it seems to be fictional.



However, such an extraordinary, and unprovable, story leaves many with a strong suspicion that it may all be fiction.

Shalom :D

[IDFM203]

I am reading Victor Ostrovsky book as we speak. Does anybody knows if that book is BS or true story?well I repeat...........

(for more on what I mean click here for a post of mine in another thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=126651&highlight=book#126651))


Shalom :D

[Yosy]

I also did liked a lot of Ostrovsky's book, but the part of the orgy in the pool? I still find it hard to belive (although not impossible). But, to his credit, his book is packed with extras: a copy of a Mossad report about danish intelligence, a plant of the mossad academy, a copy of his paycheck. Of course this is a little outdated (maybe not the plant).

Off all the chapters not relating to the training, the Strella one is a bit Bondish. The Carlos chapter one treats Carlos like a top terrorist when he was, in fact, stupid, flamboyant and unprofessional. The final chapter Beirut is the strongest: that "mummy transport" scared me ****less.

EDIT: the first link in my one my previous replies is fixed.

[Yosy]

I'm halfway through the book and I think it CAN be true: the author writes more for herself than for the reader, she focus more on her (traumatic) personal experiences, so she doesn't spend time saying unit this, city that. She's a french jewish that went to Israel and joined the Tsahal because, according to her, "you're not a true israeli unitil you've served in the army". She is recruited by a unit and, after training in the Lebanon (that included real torture, always supervised by medics), joins a palestinian training camp. Her description of the training his sickening: she (and others) had to kill comrades, everyone suspected everybody else. She describes a rally of Hamas where a palestinian that didn't agree with some points was beaten to death by fellow palestinians. And also describes palestinians advising camera crews to position themslves for some rock-throwing. And later some parts of human-right abuse by israelis. If this book is factual than both of the sides are equally to blame - in fact this book portarys both the israelis and the palestinians in a very bad light. The original title of the book is: "Je devais aussi tuer".