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J-10
07-28-2004, 10:35 AM
July 28, 2004 — By Andrew Cawthorne
LONDON (*******) - Laughing British soldiers tortured Iraqi detainees by beating and kicking them, pouring freezing water on their heads and forcing them to recite names of football stars, a court heard on Wednesday.

The accusations -- which throw the spotlight back on troop behavior in the U.S.-led occupation -- came from an Iraqi witness at London's High Court where families of six dead civilians have launched a test case against UK soldiers.

"The soldiers appeared to be thoroughly enjoying themselves as the beating was accompanied by laughter," said Kifah Taha al-Mutari. He was arrested in September, 2003, along with one of the six dead Iraqis, Baha Mousa, in a raid on a hotel in Basra.

Mousa later died in custody after alleged severe beatings.

"I could hear him moaning through the walls," added Mutari, whose statement was read in his presence by a lawyer. "I heard him say 'I am dying ... blood ... blood.' I heard nothing further."

Relatives of the Iraqi civilians who died, represented by British lawyer Phil Shiner, are demanding that judges force Tony Blair's government to open independent probes. The case is expected to last to the end of the week.

Families say five of the six Iraqis were shot dead after the war while going about their daily lives -- at home, attending a funeral, driving home from work, and visiting a judge -- in the British-controlled southern region of Iraq.

The sixth and best-known case is Mousa.

His former colleague Mutari gave the court a graphic depiction of their arrest, along with five other hotel workers.

"DANCE LIKE JACKSON"

"They took me and the other detainees to the hotel toilets and started to beat us with their fists and boots. They made us lie on the floor and soldiers stood on our heads," he said. One of the detainees was made to stand inside a large oriental-style toilet where the flush was turned on to humiliate him, he added.

At a military base in Basra, soldiers later beat the hooded detainees on their neck, chest and genitals, Mutari alleged.

"We were given water by it being poured over the hood so that we had to lick droplets that seeped through the hood. Freezing water was poured on to us and this was very painful."

Soldiers would take it in turns to abuse the Iraqis, sometimes eight at a time, he said. One asked them to "dance like Michael Jackson" while others made them recite names of English or Dutch footballers "or we would be beaten severely."

The soldiers also kickboxed their prisoners. "The idea was to try and make us crash into the wall," he said.

Abuse allegations against occupying soldiers came to a head earlier this year with graphic images of U.S. soldiers' mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail.

If the High Court allows independent inquiries into Wednesday's cases, that may pave the way for many more claims and could lead to large compensations and prosecutions.

Britain's Ministry of Defense said it was "robustly" contending the lawyers' central argument that the European Convention on Human Rights should apply to UK soldiers in Iraq.

"It's quite wrong to say there is no legal protection for Iraqi civilians. On the contrary, UK armed forces operate in Iraq in accordance with relevant English law," a spokesman said.

In all, military police have launched 93 investigations into allegations of mistreatment by UK soldiers.

Britain sent 45,000 troops to the Gulf for last year's invasion and still has 8,100 soldiers in Iraq.
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2Sheds_Jackson
07-28-2004, 11:17 AM
This has to be good news for Michael Jackson, who - let's face it - hasn't had a hit in years.

BadKarma26
07-28-2004, 11:35 AM
This has to be good news for Michael Jackson, who - let's face it - hasn't had a hit in years.

rofl

Can't stop till I've had enough, OW! Can't stop till I've had enough!

BlackRain
07-28-2004, 12:33 PM
forcing them to recite names of football stars

Good lord will the "torture" ever stop? How horrible...obviously worse than the Nazi's.

Why this pathetic attempt at discrediting the UK military makes it in to print makes me seriously wonder about the politics of *******.

oldsoak
07-28-2004, 12:54 PM
If the prisoners were mistreated, then the guilty need to go to jail ****to. That sort of behaviour is simply wrong full stop. What I do find galling is that I am not sure if justice for an alleged wrong is real reason behind the challenge. I just get the gut feeling it is an anti establishment thing. Its a bit like a sort of we-dont-like-you-going-to-war-with-iraq-so-we-will-look-for-anything-thats-embarassing - to-have-a-go-at-you kinda thing.

Royal
07-28-2004, 04:03 PM
There are bad apples in every barrel and UK troops have certainly stretched the boundries of acceptable behaviour on Telic, but I agree with Oldsoak and am certain that such behaviour has not been officialy sanctioned and covered up (and no I don't mean the USA).

ROY H
07-28-2004, 05:01 PM
who cares cry me a river

achilles
07-28-2004, 05:06 PM
forcing them to recite names of football stars

Good lord will the "torture" ever stop? How horrible...obviously worse than the Nazi's.

Why this pathetic attempt at discrediting the UK military makes it in to print makes me seriously wonder about the politics of *******.

In your quote you forgot this part: LONDON (*******) - Laughing British soldiers tortured Iraqi detainees by beating and kicking them, pouring freezing water on their heads...

What do you expect? Nazi-style torturing? Isnt this enough for you to worry about whats going on there?

In any case i think torturing is always part of the war...

caleb
07-28-2004, 05:17 PM
forcing them to recite names of football stars

Good lord will the "torture" ever stop? How horrible...obviously worse than the Nazi's.

Why this pathetic attempt at discrediting the UK military makes it in to print makes me seriously wonder about the politics of *******.

It seems that you missed some vital points, but have no fear, I would love to point them out for you.

look there is one:


Mousa later died in custody after alleged severe beatings

...wait....I found another:


They made us lie on the floor and soldiers stood on our heads

Omgh, guess what: another one, can you believe it?


The soldiers also kickboxed their prisoners. "The idea was to try and make us crash into the wall"

uuuuhhh


six dead civilians


"The soldiers appeared to be thoroughly enjoying themselves as the beating was accompanied by laughter,"


I hope I could help.....


:cantbeli:

Royal
07-28-2004, 05:26 PM
forcing them to recite names of football stars

Good lord will the "torture" ever stop? How horrible...obviously worse than the Nazi's.

Why this pathetic attempt at discrediting the UK military makes it in to print makes me seriously wonder about the politics of *******.

It seems that you missed some vital points, but have no fear, I would love to point them out for you.

look there is one:


Mousa later died in custody after alleged severe beatings

...wait....I found another:


They made us lie on the floor and soldiers stood on our heads

Omgh, guess what: another one, can you believe it?


The soldiers also kickboxed their prisoners. "The idea was to try and make us crash into the wall"

uuuuhhh


six dead civilians


"The soldiers appeared to be thoroughly enjoying themselves as the beating was accompanied by laughter,"


I hope I could help.....


:cantbeli:

Alleged...

caleb
07-28-2004, 05:48 PM
Alleged...

Right, just wanted to point out that it wasn't all about "reciting football stars" p-)

usa320
07-28-2004, 10:10 PM
Before anyone makes another comment, someone should figure out why these guys were arrested... maybe they deserved to have the **** kicked out of them?

oldsoak
07-29-2004, 06:13 AM
Be that as it may, the alleged mistreatment cannot be justified on the grounds of morality and also because its disobeying orders. Yes there are those who deserve a kicking, but orders are orders and one must have discipline or every bloke from a lance jack upwards might as well chuck their rank in a bin. Remember that its the discipline in an army that makes it what it is - that plus the moral fibre of the troops. The US and the UK beleive in accountability, which is why we take the allegations seriously.