Get out your guns if you see any suspicious activity.

[bryanleu2002]

Burien residents post controversial gun signs

source with video-http://www.nwcn.com/news/Burien-residents-post-controversial-gun-signs-95165019.html

by ELISA HAHN / KING 5 News
NWCN.com
Posted on May 28, 2010 at 10:38 PM
Updated yesterday at 10:38 PM


BURIEN, Wash. - Fed up with burglars in their neighborhood, Burien residents decide to get creative. They posted signs throughout their neighborhood warning people to get out their guns.


It's happening in south Burien, near SW 160th Street and 12th Avenue SW. Pass through this part of town and you'll see posted neon colored signs, warning residents of burglars.


"We were seeing an increase in breakins and we wanted to make sure people were aware of what's happening," says John Lee.Stacie Lee came up with the phrase for the sign "Get out your guns if you see any suspicious activity."



She even wrote it in Spanish.


"I don't want to run into somebody walking into our backdoor and that scares me," she says.
It was meant to send a strong message to neighbors, and to the burglars too: Some homeowners who have guns are prepared to use them.

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[Sloppy Joe2]

I think this message is not the right one to be sending. most responsible gun owners know their rights and what situations call for their personally owned firearms to get involved, this neighborhood message will aid in making the wrong decisions to fast merely because of public support from others who jump on the bandwagon. simply i think it is dangerous and the well being of the owners and others will be at a "higher" risk.

[bryanleu2002]

oops I will be more careful !

[Laconian]

Why not form a community watch group and get training from the local cops on how to increase awareness, create a neighborhood phone tree or request more directed patrols from the PD/SO? Telling folks to get their guns isn't going to solve your burglary problem.

[Niall]

Gotta get a version of the Neighbourhood Watch sticker. Basically you put it on a front window and it magically makes the burglars disappear.

[Zoomie]

Why not form a community watch group and get training from the local cops on how to increase awareness, create a neighborhood phone tree or request more directed patrols from the PD/SO? Telling folks to get their guns isn't going to solve your burglary problem.
Don't tell an Oathkeeper what to do with their guns! ;)

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm reminded of the Japanese exchange student who was shot by the guy who yelled "freeze" while weilding a .44 magnum.

[vryhpyammoadded]

In some of the neighborhoods I’ve lived, advertising that the locals are armed only attracts more thieves. One group our watch nailed a few years back loved how well armed everyone was especially what with the few gun collectors we had.

These kids were slick, they’d watch for weeks, figure out the neighborhood mood and habits, and designate a home to hit and bam. They’d be in and out in less than fifteen min. One group even once yanked a gun safe through an exterior house wall using cables and a truck.

Putting up signs isn’t going to do squat. You need a tight knit group of friends and good neighbors all looking out for each other to keep this sort of crap down. It’s too bad so many places I’ve lived can’t get their act together instead angling some way to screw each other or complain having the HOA thugs attempt to steal your money.

[the_13th_redneck]

I'm reminded of the Japanese exchange student who was shot by the guy who yelled "freeze" while weilding a .44 magnum.

Now how did that happen?

[3rdMillhouse]

You need to shoot a thief in the face with a 12 gauge buckshot, once the word goes out that there's a trigger happy, unstable, madman in the neighborhood, they'll stop coming. The best deterrence against thieves is showing them you're willing to get brain-matter splatered all across your front lawn if that's what it takes to defend your home.

[gaijinsamurai]

Now how did that happen?

IIRC, it was around Halloween, in Texas or Louisiana, and the kid was going to a Halloween party, dressed as a vampire or something. He was lost, and wandered into someone else's backyard by mistake. A woman freaked out and ran to her husband, telling him there was an intruder in the yard. The husband came out with a .44 and yelled "freeze"! Of course, the Japanese kid didn't know what "freeze' meant, and continued to advance, probably thinking the whole thing was a joke. The guy fired, killing the kid. It happened in the late '90s, if I remember correctly, and was big news in the US and Japan for a few weeks.

[firemedic]

Why not form a community watch group and get training from the local cops on how to increase awareness, create a neighborhood phone tree or request more directed patrols from the PD/SO? Telling folks to get their guns isn't going to solve your burglary problem.

I wouldn't trust our local cops. They are lazy, reactive as opposed to proactive, spend too much time in static positions gathering revenue, ie: speed traps, and hanging out at the mall on duty. I depend on myself for my protection not the police, as I'm sure many other people do as well. It's too easy; someone breaks into my home, they get shot and killed.

[Ought Six]

The residents are just waging psychological warfare against burglars. Good idea.

[deagle]

gotta fight fire with fire right ?

(well, except for a literal fire obviously)

[3rdMillhouse]

gotta fight fire with fire right ?

(well, except for a literal fire obviously)

Actually, firefighters do fight fire with fire, from time to time.

[Laconian]

I'm reminded of the Japanese exchange student who was shot by the guy who yelled "freeze" while weilding a .44 magnum.

Yeah, I remember that. It's all big talk & fun and games until somebody innocent gets shot & killed.


You need to shoot a thief in the face with a 12 gauge buckshot, once the word goes out that there's a trigger happy, unstable, madman in the neighborhood, they'll stop coming. The best deterrence against thieves is showing them you're willing to get brain-matter splatered all across your front lawn if that's what it takes to defend your home.

That's all brave until you're home and something goes bump in the night, and your a$$hole slams shut, and your access to your high brain is cut off and you're about as smart as aLabrador retriever. Are you financially, emotionally and mentally ready to kill someone - even in self defense?


I wouldn't trust our local cops. They are lazy, reactive as opposed to proactive, spend too much time in static positions gathering revenue, ie: speed traps, and hanging out at the mall on duty. I depend on myself for my protection not the police, as I'm sure many other people do as well. It's too easy; someone breaks into my home, they get shot and killed.

See above. I'm not telling anyone not to defend their home or life when it is threatened, but lathering up the local populace to arm themselves before they've attempted form a neighborhood watch or have a class from the cops on how to harden your house as a target or increase your security, is asinine. You don't trust your local cops? Then get involved: demand extra patrols from the watch commander. Write the Chief, the city council or mayor or city manager. You're a taxpayer demand the reasonable services of the folks who being paid by you to deliver them. The police are not responsible for one-on-one police protection, but if a neighborhood gets together and says our neighborhood is having a rash of burglaries and the PD isn't doing anything, then it's time to turn up the political heat.

By all means, you are allowed to defend yourself/home. But if you aren't ready (and even if you are ready) for the aftermath you are in for one hell of a rude awakening.

[Wildgoose]

Don't like to advertise that I've got guns by hanging signs out or anything. We have a Neighborhood Watch sign outside our development in Florida. Even though this is the state of "Castle Defense" and CCW permits, you still have random idiots attempting to home invade or burglarize and get killed or wounded in the attempt. I'll just do the same and let the first idiot who breaks in the house find out exclusively that we have firearms in the home and on my person.

Agree, if not mentally prepared to take a life in your self-defense and defense of your family, do not own a weapon.

[Hollis]

By all means, you are allowed to defend yourself/home. But if you aren't ready (and even if you are ready) for the aftermath you are in for one hell of a rude awakening.


Probably the best advice to all of our quick draw McGraw.

[digrar]

I'm reminded of the Japanese exchange student who was shot by the guy who yelled "freeze" while weilding a .44 magnum.

This one mate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

[3rdMillhouse]

That's all brave until you're home and something goes bump in the night, and your a$$hole slams shut, and your access to your high brain is cut off and you're about as smart as aLabrador retriever. Are you financially, emotionally and mentally ready to kill someone - even in self defense?

I wouldn't vouch for myself but I know of some relatives that had the balls to do what was necessary when it was asked of them. My grandfather from my father's side of the family once shot a burglar with a 20 gauge shotgun, a cousing of mine nearly beat to death a thieve during a bank robbery. I hope I can summon those genes of "courage" if such dreaded possibility ever presents itself. Thank God I live in the most safe capital city of my country.

[sgt_G]

Thank God I live in the most safe capital city of my country.

where's that 3rd?

you also forgot to add the hottest women :D

[3rdMillhouse]

where's that 3rd?

you also forgot to add the hottest women :D

Goiânia, I live in Goiânia.

[the_13th_redneck]

IIRC, it was around Halloween, in Texas or Louisiana, and the kid was going to a Halloween party, dressed as a vampire or something. He was lost, and wandered into someone else's backyard by mistake. A woman freaked out and ran to her husband, telling him there was an intruder in the yard. The husband came out with a .44 and yelled "freeze"! Of course, the Japanese kid didn't know what "freeze' meant, and continued to advance, probably thinking the whole thing was a joke. The guy fired, killing the kid. It happened in the late '90s, if I remember correctly, and was big news in the US and Japan for a few weeks.

There are some misconceptions that people from that side of the world have about America:
1) The government has a great social welfare program.
2) It's safe.

[Irbis]

Burien residents post controversial gun signs

Why go halfway? If these guys feel so threatened, they should sprinkle a few dozen landmines on their lawns! p-)


In some of the neighborhoods I’ve lived, advertising that the locals are armed only attracts more thieves. One group our watch nailed a few years back loved how well armed everyone was especially what with the few gun collectors we had.

These kids were slick, they’d watch for weeks, figure out the neighborhood mood and habits, and designate a home to hit and bam. They’d be in and out in less than fifteen min. One group even once yanked a gun safe through an exterior house wall using cables and a truck.

Putting up signs isn’t going to do squat. You need a tight knit group of friends and good neighbors all looking out for each other to keep this sort of crap down. It’s too bad so many places I’ve lived can’t get their act together instead angling some way to screw each other or complain having the HOA thugs attempt to steal your money.

Precisely. Unlike what the gun-nuts shout, arming to the teeth only brings more gun-related deaths and constant flow of ex-legal guns to the black market (at which point, according to NRA, they magically become "illegal", evil guns, that have nothing to do with these available legally, of course), and results in very little posessions savings proportional to their cost.


This one mate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

Exactly. Read this stuff - guy build like wrestler was supposedly afraid of tiny boy. Just because he might have had a gun. So, he shot small kid, preventively, crippling himself and his family psychologically for life. Gee, I wonder why this part is never mentioned by "self-defense" and "courage" crowd? What possessions can be worth going to counselor for a few next decades?

And while we are at it, this article (and a few more cases mentioned there) also highlight racism and indifference of police forces (and a big portion of gun-owners) in Texas. Someone non-white shoot? Oh, well, probably their fault, there is nothing wrong in casual killings, right? :roll:

You know, it might be a cultural difference, but I live in the country where guns are difficult to obtain, which translates to almost complete lack of illegal guns available to criminals (save for largest groups that can expend huge sums to smuggle from abroad), which means burglars aren't armed, are actually far more watchful, crime rates are a lot lower than in US, kids can go into neighbors lawn to retrieve stray football without fear of being shot, and the cities aren't fortresses full of scared people twitching at any strange sound. And I damn prefer it that way.

[Bia]

Putting up signs.... telling other homeowners how to react....is pretty stupid way to put criminals on notice.

[Hollis]

Putting up signs.... telling other homeowners how to react....is pretty stupid way to put criminals on notice.


2Xs, there (I believe) have been home owners sued because of the signs, it showed the intent to shoot first. I think it was the victim or victim's family who won. Also it tells to the perps, shoot first before entering.

[VansRV]

You know, it might be a cultural difference,

Your right, it is a cultural difference.

[cliffg]

IIRC, it was around Halloween, in Texas or Louisiana, and the kid was going to a Halloween party, dressed as a vampire or something. He was lost, and wandered into someone else's backyard by mistake. A woman freaked out and ran to her husband, telling him there was an intruder in the yard. The husband came out with a .44 and yelled "freeze"! Of course, the Japanese kid didn't know what "freeze' meant, and continued to advance, probably thinking the whole thing was a joke. The guy fired, killing the kid. It happened in the late '90s, if I remember correctly, and was big news in the US and Japan for a few weeks.

It was here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, in 1992. More details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori).

[rhino]

which means burglars aren't armed, are actually far more watchful, crime rates are a lot lower than in US, kids can go into neighbors lawn to retrieve stray football without fear of being shot, and the cities aren't fortresses full of scared people twitching at any strange sound. And I damn prefer it that way.

I betcha where ever you live doesnt have the population of US, there are very few, if any, minorities and you have been living a very sheltered life so far


Your right, it is a cultural difference.

you are not hinting that Irbis may be uncultured?