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T-5 Killer
06-15-2010, 05:48 PM
WASHINGTON — The Army is ripping space-age Velcro from its uniforms and replacing it with the humble button, which turns out to be tailor-made for the rigors of Afghanistan.
Hook-and-pile tape — the generic term for Velcro— strains to keep jam-packed cargo pants pockets closed. And when the Taliban (http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Organizations/Military+and+Paramilitary/Taliban) attacks, the last thing soldiers need to worry about is spilling their gear.

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Soldiers told superiors that Velcro didn't suit their needs, and the Army began testing alternatives last year, said Debi Dawson, an Army spokeswoman. In August, the Army will begin issuing new pants to soldiers heading to Afghanistan.
"When concerns surfaced in surveys that the hook-and-pile tape was not holding under the weight of full pocket loads, the Army evaluated several solutions," Dawson said. Velcro has been part of the latest Army combat uniform since it was introduced in 2004.
Dirt and rocks also clog the pile portion of the fastener. That requires soldiers to clean it regularly. An Army website offersthis helpful hint: a soldier's small weapons cleaning brush has been "working very well" in removing dirt and sand.
"This is the latest proof that dust and debris are the biggest enemy for the U.S. military," said Loren Thompson, a military analyst at the Lexington Institute and a consultant to defense contractors. "Taliban attacks come and go, but dust is constant in Afghanistan. Dust will impede the function of anything."
Sgt. Kenny Hatten cut to the heart of the matter in this posting on an Army website, urging the military to go back to the future:
"Get rid of the pocket flap Velcro and give us back our buttons," Hatten wrote. "Buttons are silent, easy to replace in the field, work just fine in the mud, do not clog up with dirt and do not fray and disintegrate with repeated laundering."
Somebody, apparently, was listening.
Snaps and buttons were identified as possible fixes for failing Velcro. The Army surveyed 2,700 soldiers who tested prototypes, and 60% said they preferred buttons and 29% liked snaps. Just 11% wanted to keep Velcro, according to the Army. In the end, the Army decided to substitute three buttons for Velcro on the cargo pockets of its pants.
It's cheaper, too. The Army will save 96 cents per uniform when it swaps buttons for Velcro, Dawson said.
The new-and-improved uniforms will still have plenty of Velcro, the sticky fabric popularized during spaceflights. (Astronauts used it to keep pens and other items from floating in the weightless environment.) Velcro remains on the cuffs of sleeves. It's also used for nameplates and patches.
Hatten's ideal uniform might save the Army a few more pennies.
"I don't mind the insignia Velcro on the sleeve pockets, but why would I need Velcro for my name tape and U.S. Army tapes?" he asked. "Am I going to change my name and join a different army? Why not let us sew these items on the uniform, along with the patrol cap? That's cheaper, more durable and reduces the possibility of having your uniform items stolen or tampered with."
The Army, Dawson said, hears soldiers like Hatten. It's aware of continuing complaints about Velcro and will take them into account when redesigning uniforms in the future.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-06-14-army-uniforms-velcro_N.htm

Just one step closer to issuing BDPs!

click
06-15-2010, 06:29 PM
Does this mean patches will be sewn on as well?

EDIT: Im an idiot. Read the rest of the article

T-5 Killer
06-15-2010, 06:32 PM
Does this mean patches will be sewn on as well?

EDIT: Im an idiot. read the rest of the article

I think those will stay, just buttons on the pants and maybe sewn on US tag and maybe name tag.

Spiritbreaker
06-15-2010, 08:03 PM
I hope youl go back to og 107 and m1 steel pots.Those were cool as hell...

Socrates187
06-15-2010, 08:35 PM
About damn time...

Soldat_Américain
06-15-2010, 08:42 PM
This is like really old news. Personally I liked the velcro for the wrist fasteners. Pants...not so much and the chest pockets annoy me, also nametapes.

Dominique
06-15-2010, 08:48 PM
They should have used velcro for the rear pockets on the pants, and buttons for the rest. I'm still trying to figure out who was on the design board for the current uniform, as I can't really believe any of them have any real field time.

TallGuy
06-15-2010, 08:50 PM
What about the velcro on MOLLE pouches?

Gunnergunn
06-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Canada only uses Velcro on the Waist pockets. The rest are Buttons . even the shrts use buttons. well except the modified combats with pockets on the sleves. those are velcro.

Heazy
06-16-2010, 12:01 AM
Saving the Army .96 cents per uniform...I'll tell what could've been saved was millions upon millions of dollars, just look at what's being issued to they troops in OEF, the loser to the ACU, the multi-cam. And multi-cam which lost to the acu will replace the acu, omg that means more TA50 in the right colors, holy geezus.

It is going to be a strange and amazing day when my CSM/1st SGT tell us "Multicam pattern ONLY". Hopefully, button pants filters down to units in garrison. It's so annoying to have your velcro come undone and have your green book floppin about.

Sloppy Joe2
06-16-2010, 12:26 AM
Saving the Army .96 cents per uniform...I'll tell what could've been saved was millions upon millions of dollars, just look at what's being issued to they troops in OEF, the loser to the ACU, the multi-cam. And multi-cam which lost to the acu will replace the acu, omg that means more TA50 in the right colors, holy geezus.

tell me about it man, ok i can forgive that ****-up but what i can not rap my head around is issuing the Multicam for deployment and once you get back you switch back to the ACUs. a buddy of mine recently met with SMA Preston and brought up why dont we just switch and all he had to say was "not going to happen" :roll:

brainplay
06-16-2010, 06:10 AM
tell me about it man, ok i can forgive that ****-up but what i can not rap my head around is issuing the Multicam for deployment and once you get back you switch back to the ACUs. a buddy of mine recently met with SMA Preston and brought up why dont we just switch and all he had to say was "not going to happen" :roll:

In the old days they had more than one color of uniform. And you would switch to the appropriate color when needed. I know, tough to fathom. p-)

Alpha-17
06-16-2010, 07:17 AM
In the old days they had more than one color of uniform. And you would switch to the appropriate color when needed. I know, tough to fathom. p-)

But the question is, how is ACU the appropriate pattern for garrison use? MultiCam is better in almost every respect, so why keep it? What's the point of two "universal" patterns?

Austra
06-16-2010, 07:20 AM
And I thought it sucked when I went camping, cant imagine how they feel. Good for them :)

TehSuig
06-16-2010, 11:48 AM
They should have used velcro for the rear pockets on the pants, and buttons for the rest. I'm still trying to figure out who was on the design board for the current uniform, as I can't really believe any of them have any real field time.

When I was in Iraq in 2005 my unit worked for the task force assigned to hunt down Zarqawi, which was made up of...you know..."them". During one late night conversation while waiting for our chinooks to come get us, one of "them" told us how he and some other guys from his group had been brought in to help design the ACU's the year before. So the people who helped design them have plenty of field time, I think they just got a tad bit overzealous with their velcro'ing.

Lasse
06-16-2010, 11:56 AM
Remember that metal pieces will turn into shrapnel, velcro doesn't.

And how much crap do you guys carry in your pockets?

deagle
06-16-2010, 12:26 PM
aren't zippers still the best ?

lt tahoe
06-16-2010, 01:13 PM
Remember that metal pieces will turn into shrapnel, velcro doesn't.

And how much crap do you guys carry in your pockets?

Buttons on US uniforms are typically plastic. And when in the field, those pockets can carry a lot; have you seen how much crap soldiers carry in general these days?

STEPAN1983
06-16-2010, 02:17 PM
I wonder why americans dont adopt canadian buttons, it is more reliable

T-5 Killer
06-16-2010, 02:32 PM
I wonder why americans dont adopt canadian buttons, it is more reliable
And they come in bags...

Sir Zach of R.
06-16-2010, 11:15 PM
And how much crap do you guys carry in your pockets?

Smokes, cell phone, note pad, wallet, lighter, keys, leader's book, patrol cap and beret, sunglasses, and my pet ferret Michael.

Dan2004
06-17-2010, 01:52 AM
Smokes, cell phone, note pad, wallet, lighter, keys, leader's book, patrol cap and beret, sunglasses, and my pet ferret Michael.

You forgot the dip.

HK in AK
06-17-2010, 02:30 AM
needle and thread is your friend.

Lasse
06-17-2010, 02:39 AM
Smokes, cell phone, note pad, wallet, lighter, keys, leader's book, patrol cap and beret, sunglasses, and my pet ferret Michael.
In the field or on operations?

Alpha-17
06-17-2010, 08:52 AM
In the field or on operations?

Garrison. Just wait until you get the field or deployment list..... :roll:

Sir Zach of R.
06-17-2010, 12:22 PM
You forgot the dip.

I'm actually trying to quit dipping, so I tend to leave that out in the mornings.

Blackburn
06-24-2010, 08:25 PM
Smokes, cell phone, note pad, wallet, lighter, keys, leader's book, patrol cap and beret, sunglasses, and my pet ferret Michael.
... gloves, pocketknife/ multitool, first aid stuff, petzl, candybars.

profall
06-24-2010, 09:35 PM
You can't even really use your cargo pockets in Garrison, because the velcro has no strength and even something as light weight as your patrol cap will open it up. And you get that random guy that yells at you from 300m away that your cargo pocket is open.