Experience with Tavor rifle?

[renesch93]

1. Will the Tavor fully replace the M4s/M16s in the IDF?
2. Has someone experience with this rifle? The British, French and Chinese have put bullpups in service but their soldiers don´t seem to like them very much.
3. Is it reliable?
4. Is it as handy as the M4?

[Tikvah]

1. Will the Tavor fully replace the M4s/M16s in the IDF?
2. Has someone experience with this rifle? The British, French and Chinese have put bullpups in service but their soldiers don´t seem to like them very much.
3. Is it reliable?
4. Is it as handy as the M4?
1. In combat units yes
3. Yes, more so than the m4
4. ... If by handy you mean, would you do ok to bring it to a gunfight or does it kill people, then yes. lol.

[deagle]

there was a future weapons segment on it as well, and should be on youtube

[seraosha]

I've coveted the Tavor from the first second I saw it.

[GB_FXST]

I've coveted the Tavor from the first second I saw it.

I was thrilled when Charles Daly (KBI) announced plans to import it to the US ... Charles Daly is no more, so who knows if it will ever be sold in the US.

[renesch93]

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4. ... If by handy you mean, would you do ok to bring it to a gunfight or does it kill people, then yes.



By "handy" I mean is it as comfortable to carry and handle as an M4 or is it bulkier?

[Geezah]

I was thrilled when Charles Daly (KBI) announced plans to import it to the US ... Charles Daly is no more, so who knows if it will ever be sold in the US.

How would that have worked?

As a parts kit, as I thought if not a Sporting Rifle, we are SOL?

[seraosha]

How would that have worked?

As a parts kit, as I thought if not a Sporting Rifle, we are SOL?

Thats my understanding on it, but if there is something I'm missing I'd pick that sucker up in a jiffy.

[GiladS]

By "handy" I mean is it as comfortable to carry and handle as an M4 or is it bulkier?

It is bulkier if you are just carrying it on your side with the strap... no biggie.

However I find it much easier and quicker to enter a position with the TAR-21 (though this is the weapon I trained with and used most of all p-)) and stay that way as most of the weight is at the back of the rifle in the rifle butt (where the firing mechanism is located) that is supported by your shoulder.

I also believe it is more convinient to have when on mounted missions.

[Steelersfan413]

2. Has someone experience with this rifle? The British, French and Chinese have put bullpups in service


As have Ausies.

[GB_FXST]

How would that have worked?

As a parts kit, as I thought if not a Sporting Rifle, we are SOL?

The CD site is now down, but IIRC, it was a complete rifle, not a kit. But, I could have misunderstood.

[speckfire]

Excellent rifle in terms of size, weight and operation. The only drawback is the trigger pull versus an M4 platform. It's much stiffer. A full sized Tar-21 is even shorter than a collapsed 14.5" M4.

[lambert]

where did you see that the french were not happy with their famas ? as a french infantryman I used it in chad, ivory coast and afghanistan and never complained about it ! it is accurate and reliable... the only problem is that it now rather heavy because of all the assets which are put on it : aimpoint, lasersight and so on...
In fact, I tried both the G36 and the M4 and greatly prefered my famas, but maybe it was because of the habit!...

[Seiran]

The CD site is now down, but IIRC, it was a complete rifle, not a kit. But, I could have misunderstood.

This. As posted on the CD forum on arfcom, they were buying the rights to produce the Tavor in the US, since it can't be imported. So it would have been a domestic produced which could be in turn sold to the US market. Sucks balls that CD went under. I was really looking forward to this.

[T-5 Killer]

This. As posted on the CD forum on arfcom, they were buying the rights to produce the Tavor in the US, since it can't be imported. So it would have been a domestic produced which could be in turn sold to the US market. Sucks balls that CD went under. I was really looking forward to this.

Me too, I want one sooo bad!

[HK in AK]

Gilads,

How do you like mag changes with it? I never liked bullpups because of the mag release and replacement function....

[junglejim]

We cant get Glocks in my country, but we sure can get some Tavors... if you can break bank.

[GiladS]

Gilads,

How do you like mag changes with it? I never liked bullpups because of the mag release and replacement function....

I'll agree that cahnging a mag is more simple with a non-bullpup design but in the end it boils down to how much the soldier is used to his weapon.

I remember how we practiced changing a mag in different firing positions and while on the move until it became a reflex action (well that was the intention I guess :)).

[gunmaster103]

This. As posted on the CD forum on arfcom, they were buying the rights to produce the Tavor in the US, since it can't be imported. So it would have been a domestic produced which could be in turn sold to the US market. Sucks balls that CD went under. I was really looking forward to this.

you said it cannot be imported. india is importing tavars from israil. actually they are modified micro tavars. their usage name is zittara. its in service with indian para units.:-)

[GB_FXST]

you said it cannot be imported. india is importing tavars from israil. actually they are modified micro tavars. their usage name is zittara. its in service with indian para units.:-)

The issue is importation for civillian purchase under US firearm laws.

[speckfire]

I'll agree that cahnging a mag is more simple with a non-bullpup design but in the end it boils down to how much the soldier is used to his weapon.

I remember how we practiced changing a mag in different firing positions and while on the move until it became a reflex action (well that was the intention I guess :)).

Sorry Gilad I find the Tavor mag change easier than the AR platform since the mag release is in front of the mag well and once you grab the mag you'll grab the release too in 1 action. As I mentioned the Tavor can be manipulated with the left hand, ie raking the action, changing the mag and releasing the bolt while the rifle is held on target by the right hand.

[Seiran]

The issue is importation for civillian purchase under US firearm laws.

Thank you GB

[GiladS]

Sorry Gilad I find the Tavor mag change easier than the AR platform since the mag release is in front of the mag well and once you grab the mag you'll grab the release too in 1 action.

Good point.

However (for me at least) the fact that the mag is relatively close to your body made the whole process of changing it quite cumbersome, especially when in full gear.

But as I mentioned, once you practice enough times it becomes less of a problem.

[gunmaster103]

forgive my ignorance! :(

[GB_FXST]

forgive my ignorance! :(

No worries!

[REMOV]

1. Will the Tavor fully replace the M4s/M16s in the IDF?Nope, the M16 replacement in the Cahal will be X95 assault rifle, not Tavor.
2. Has someone experience with this rifle?There are several nations who bought and use Tavors and X95s.
The British, French and Chinese have put bullpups in service but their soldiers don´t seem to like them very much. ...and such opinion is based on?
3. Is it reliable? Finally the newer models are reliable, but IWI is still introducting some minor modifications in X95 and Tavor as well.
Is it as handy as the M4?Hard to say, before you define the "handy" in the context of bullpup and classic design. But take a look at two pictures from the first phase of bullpup assault rifle evaluation (with early shape of Tavor mock-up) is Israel in early 1990s.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8567/123rwl.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6018/123ep.jpg

[REMOV]

india is importing tavars from israil. actually they are modified micro tavars. their usage name is zittara. its in service with indian para units.:-)There is no Z-TAR or Zittara (the Indian name for X95 or Micro Tavor, also converted to the 5,56 mm x 30 Indian cartridge) anymore, the co-operation was ceased, Indians developed their own submachine gun/carbine now MSMC. And definitely there are not Z-TARs in service.

[GiladS]

Thanks for the pics REMOV!

[REMOV]

How do you like mag changes with it? I never liked bullpups because of the mag release and replacement function....I have a chance to test the X95 as well as CTAR-21 and the magazine change is quick and easy. I really do not see any difference between the bullpups and classic design.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_CTAR-21_01.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_X95-556_Mag_rel_01.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/REMOV/Inne/_X95-556_Mag_rel_02.jpg

[gafkiwi]

Yeah I don't know why people get wrapped around the axel about the difference in the drills/ergonomics between the 2 layouts. It just comes down to training time and experiance. I've spent my career with the Steyr and have carried other platforms in that time and its just getting familiar with the platform.

Kinda like switching from a right to a left hand drive car.

As for not liking bullup platforms. Having personally used the majority of current 5.56mm platforms Ican say I am honestly quite happy with the Steyr, and will be even more so when our enhanced model comes on line soon.

[Stormz_STA]

Why did you blur the face, Remov? We all know your ugly mug.
;)

[REMOV]

Why did you blur the face, Remov? We all know your ugly mug. ;)It is an inside joke, I made after conversation with one of my German friends from K-ISOM magazine ;)