They Call Kerry Flipper!

[Geezah]

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

Wow......I voted for the war but then I voted against the war, then I voted for the war, then I voted against it I voted.........:cantbeli:

[He219]

Wow, the 9-15-02 quote is good ...

nice link, Geezah!

[graphicsguy at PH]

Damn! I thought our politicians up here in Canada could sling the syrup pretty good but Kerry has it down to a science!

And for that he wins the covented award of "Master Waffler"!


http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/589_1091215387_syrup.jpg

[100_Percent_HOOAH]

Wow..

[Jack Mehoff]

Old news

[aartamen]

These are even older, yet still pertinent as hell.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

http://www.blackfive.net/main/images/new_soldier.JPG

[Operation Ivy]

:lol: :lol: nice find

http://ronwade.freeservers.com/BS-BushCheney04.JPG

[Geezah]

Old news

Jack Mehoff are you a Mormon by chance?

[Geezah]

These are even older, yet still pertinent as hell.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

http://www.blackfive.net/main/images/new_soldier.JPG

Here are a bunch of cool Kerry's a nut links,

www.viet-myths.net

www.kerrylied.com

www.wintersoldier.com

www.ron-siddell.com

www.greenberet.net

www.vnsfvetakerry.com

www.senatorflipflop.com

www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com

www.johnfnkerry.com

www.dirtykerry.com

www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com

www.kerrymyths.edcnet.com

www.kerryquotes.com/index.html

www.kerrysucks2004.com

www.vetsagainstkerry.org

www.hanoijohnkerry.com

www.imnotfondakerry.com

www.geocities.com/michaelkansas2003/jkiw/

www.johnkerrysucks.com

www.iraqi-freedom.com/kerrysucks.html

www.socialistkerry.com

www.stopjohn.com

http://www.socialistkerry.com/images/kerryfonda.bmp

[Geezah]

HUMAN EVENTS ONLINE :: How 9-11 Happened by Ann Coulter
National Security & Defense

How 9-11 Happened
by Ann Coulter
Posted Apr 1, 2004


We don't need a "commission" to find out how 9-11 happened. The truth is in the timeline:

President Carter, Democrat

In 1979, President Jimmy Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to be deposed by a mob of Islamic fanatics. A few months later, Muslims stormed the U.S. Embassy in Iran and took American Embassy staff hostage.

Carter retaliated by canceling Iranian visas. He eventually ordered a disastrous and humiliating rescue attempt, crashing helicopters in the desert.

President Reagan, Republican

The day of Reagan's inauguration, the hostages were released.

In 1982, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was bombed by Muslim extremists.

President Reagan sent U.S. Marines to Beirut.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut were blown up by Muslim extremists.

Reagan said the U.S. would not surrender, but Democrats threw a hissy fit, introducing a resolution demanding that our troops be withdrawn. Reagan caved in to Democrat caterwauling in an election year and withdrew our troops -- bombing Syrian-controlled areas on the way out. Democrats complained about that, too.

In 1985 an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, was seized and a 69-year-old American was shot and thrown overboard by Muslim extremists.

Reagan ordered a heart-stopping mission to capture the hijackers after "the allies" promised them safe passage. In a daring operation, American fighter pilots captured the hijackers and turned them over to the Italians -- who then released them to safe harbor in Iraq.

On April 5, 1986, a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen was bombed by Muslim extremists from the Libyan Embassy in East Berlin, killing an American.

Ten days later, Reagan bombed Libya, despite our dear ally France's refusing the use of their airspace. Americans bombed Qaddafi's residence, killing his daughter, and dropped a bomb on the French Embassy "by mistake."

Reagan also stoked a long, bloody war between heinous regimes in Iran and Iraq. All this was while winning a final victory over Soviet totalitarianism.

President Bush I, Moderate Republican

In December 1988, a passenger jet, Pan Am Flight 103, was bombed over Lockerbie, Scotland, by Muslim extremists.

President-elect George Bush claimed he would continue Reagan's policy of retaliating against terrorism, but did not. Without Reagan to gin her up, even Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher went wobbly, saying there would be no revenge for the bombing.

In 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

In early 1991, Bush went to war with Iraq. A majority of Democrats opposed the war, and later complained that Bush didn't "finish off the job" with Saddam.

President Bill Clinton, Democrat

In February 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim fanatics, killing five people and injuring hundreds.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, did nothing.

In October 1993, 18 American troops were killed in a savage firefight in Somalia. The body of one American was dragged through the streets of Mogadishu as the Somalian hordes cheered.

Clinton responded by calling off the hunt for Mohammed Farrah Aidid and ordering our troops home. Osama bin Laden later told ABC News: "The youth ... realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat."

In November 1995, five Americans were killed and 30 wounded by a car bomb in Saudi Arabia set by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, did nothing.

In June 1996, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia was bombed by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, did nothing.

Months later, Saddam attacked the Kurdish-controlled city of Erbil.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, lobbed some bombs into Iraq hundreds of miles from Saddam's forces.

In November 1997, Iraq refused to allow U.N. weapons inspectors to do their jobs and threatened to shoot down a U.S. U-2 spy plane.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, did nothing.

In February 1998, Clinton threatened to bomb Iraq, but called it off when the United Nations said no.

On Aug. 7, 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, did nothing.

On August 20, Monica Lewinsky appeared for the second time to testify before the grand jury.

Clinton responded by bombing Afghanistan and Sudan, severely damaging a camel and an aspirin factory.

On December 16, the House of Representatives prepared to impeach Clinton the next day.

Clinton retaliated by ordering major air strikes against Iraq, described by The New York Times as "by far the largest military action in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War in 1991."

The only time Clinton decided to go to war with anyone in the vicinity of Muslim fanatics was in 1999 -- when Clinton attacked Serbians who were fighting Islamic fanatics.

In October 2000, our warship, the USS Cole, was attacked by Muslim extremists.

Clinton, advised by **** Clarke, did nothing.

President George Bush, Republican

Bush came into office telling his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, he was "tired of swatting flies" -- he wanted to eliminate al Qaeda.

On Sept. 11, 2001, when Bush had been in office for barely seven months, 3,000 Americans were murdered in a savage terrorist attack on U.S. soil by Muslim extremists.

Since then, Bush has won two wars against countries that harbored Muslim fanatics, captured Saddam Hussein, immobilized Osama bin Laden, destroyed al Qaeda's base, and begun to create the only functioning democracy in the Middle East other than Israel. Democrats opposed it all -- except their phony support for war with Afghanistan, which they immediately complained about and said would be a Vietnam quagmire. And now they claim to be outraged that in the months before 9-11, Bush did not do everything Democrats opposed doing after 9-11. What a surprise.

Ann Coulter is Legal Affairs Correspondent for HUMAN EVENTS and author of Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism.

[Jack Mehoff]

Old news

Jack Mehoff are you a Mormon by chance?

Mormon people don't go by the name of Jack Mehoff or else they will die in hell. :lol:

[Dennis G]

http://ronwade.freeservers.com/BS-BushCheney04.JPG

[Secret Squirrel]

These are even older, yet still pertinent as hell.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

http://www.blackfive.net/main/images/new_soldier.JPG

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Of course it was sheer coincidence that these vets (swiftvets) are supposedly impartial in the face of an election? Maybe they'd respect a cheerleader whos daddy kept him safe during the Vietnam war by getting him into the Texas national air guard? Hell Bush couldnt even complete his National Guard duties in his nice safe U.S.A.

[Geezah]

Old news

Jack Mehoff are you a Mormon by chance?

Mormon people don't go by the name of Jack Mehoff or else they will die in hell. :lol:

You never no, I was baptized a Mormon but went inactive when I was 19 ;)

[Geezah]

These are even older, yet still pertinent as hell.

http://www.swiftvets.com/

http://www.blackfive.net/main/images/new_soldier.JPG

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Of course it was sheer coincidence that these vets (swiftvets) are supposedly impartial in the face of an election? Maybe they'd respect a cheerleader whos daddy kept him safe during the Vietnam war by getting him into the Texas national air guard? Hell Bush couldnt even complete his National Guard duties in his nice safe U.S.A.

http://www.swiftvets.com/images/KerryBrothers.jpg

On June 1, 2004, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth sent a cease and desist letter to John Kerry for President, Inc. on behalf of 11 officers shown in the photograph, pointing out that using their images in a campaign advertisement "wrongfully and incorrectly suggests their present endorsement of his candidacy."

[Secret Squirrel]

Kerry's swift boat mates ready to fight for him again

Veterans playing larger role in both candidates' campaigns


09:35 PM CDT on Thursday, July 29, 2004


By GROMER JEFFERS Jr. / The Dallas Morning News



BOSTON – The members of John Kerry's Vietnam swift boat crew are ready for one last mission – the fight to put the Massachusetts senator in the White House.

They'll tell you that his band of brothers – and a horde of veterans nationwide – would follow the decorated Navy veteran almost anywhere.

DNC Online
Review complete convention coverage, video, speakers, speeches and schedules
"If John Kerry came to us and said he had one more mission and we're going to hell, he'd have a full crew," said former Kerry crewmate Jim Wasser, one of more than 1,000 people, most veterans, meeting for the Democratic convention.

At a time when national security, the fight against terrorism and the war with Iraq have dominated the political landscape, military veterans are becoming a force in the campaigns of John Kerry and President Bush. They have a larger role here than in any previous convention, and come this fall, their grass-roots work and dedication could be a deciding factor for either candidate in a tight race.

"President Bush and John Kerry are both making appeals to veterans, and veterans are responding," said Jerry Newberry, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, which counts 2.6 million members.

Mr. Kerry, the thrice-wounded decorated war hero, has used his military experience to define how he would lead, and Vietnam-era veterans especially have flocked to a candidate who they feel shares their painful memories of the war.

They've been crucial to his effort. Before the Iowa caucuses, when Mr. Kerry was just starting the comeback that would launch him to the nomination, he got a boost from his reunion with Jim Rassmann, a veteran he pulled out of the river amid enemy fire.

"The look on his face when he came up on the bow of that boat to pull me over the bow was unique. I think he knew the probability of him being hit or killed was very good," Mr. Rassmann said. "I owe my life to him. But if he weren't the kind of leader that he is, I wouldn't be here supporting him."

Of the nearly 5,000 convention delegates, 500 are veterans. Even more are showing up at the many luncheons, receptions or functions designed to involve veterans in the political process.

Democrats had their first veterans caucus here, a standing-room-only affair that featured explosive speeches by retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark and former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam.

"John Kerry will lead us, just like he did so many, many years ago," Mr. Cleland said.

The veterans are also taking courses in grass-roots organizing, preparing to fulfill a Kerry campaign goal of mobilizing 1 million veterans for service.

The Bush campaign is countering aggressively, aiming to keep a traditionally Republican constituency. The president's aides tout the support of 24 Medal of Honor recipients. The campaign has regional veterans chairmen. And Vice President **** Cheney plans to speak to disabled veterans Saturday in Nevada.

"We're reaching out to veterans all over the country," said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Bush-Cheney campaign.

Some veterans, angered by Mr. Kerry's anti-war protests in the 1970s, haven't needed prompting to work against him. On Thursday, hours before Mr. Kerry was to accept the Democratic nomination, a group of Vietnam veterans opposed to his candidacy marched to the FleetCenter.

Beyond the issues of war and benefits, this campaign has an added element of interest to veterans – questions of the candidates' service. Democrats have sought to contrast Mr. Kerry's multiple medals and Vietnam heroism with President Bush's disputed National Guard service.

The Bush-Cheney campaign tries to focus on Mr. Kerry's Senate record, citing votes against weapons systems such as the B-1 bomber. This week, they have homed in on his conflicting statements about support for the Iraq war.

The current political climate, veterans say, could last several elections cycles. Such was the case just after the Civil War.

"Veterans and their issues have been raised to new heights," said Joe Violante, a spokesman for Disabled Veterans of America. "We hope it ultimately brings greater awareness of the needs of veterans and their families."

[SpazzMunky]

Geezah, are you commisioned by the republican party by any chance?

[Secret Squirrel]

The latest conservative outfit to fire an angry broadside against John Kerry's heroic war record is "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" , which today launches a campaign to brand the Democrat "unfit to serve as commander in chief." Billing itself as representing the "other 97 percent of veterans" from Kerry's Navy unit who don't support his presidential candidacy, the group insists that all presidential candidates must be "totally honest and forthcoming" about their military service.

These "swift boat vets" claim still to be furious about Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony against the war in which he spoke about atrocities in Indochina's "free fire zones." More than three decades later, facing the complicated truth about Vietnam remains difficult. But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target the election of 2004.

Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as "the classic body-count guy" who "wanted hooches destroyed and people killed."

[Vance]

This video has nothing to do with the military!! WAAHHHH off-topic!!!

[Operation Ivy]

This video has nothing to do with the military!! WAAHHHH off-topic!!! :lol:

bring back the sports :D

[Deuterium]

The latest conservative outfit to fire an angry broadside against John Kerry's heroic war record is "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" , which today launches a campaign to brand the Democrat "unfit to serve as commander in chief." Billing itself as representing the "other 97 percent of veterans" from Kerry's Navy unit who don't support his presidential candidacy, the group insists that all presidential candidates must be "totally honest and forthcoming" about their military service.

These "swift boat vets" claim still to be furious about Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony against the war in which he spoke about atrocities in Indochina's "free fire zones." More than three decades later, facing the complicated truth about Vietnam remains difficult. But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target the election of 2004.

Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as "the classic body-count guy" who "wanted hooches destroyed and people killed."

That's a poor debating technique to point the finger at not the accusation but the accuser. Debate the topic at hand. It would be VERY easy to say on the other side that all the mud being slung at Bush for his NG time comes from Dem fat-cats.
Personally I would believe the words from his crew, ALL of the crew. They worked with him everyday. They more than anyone would know the true character of the man.
As to the vid that started this thread it is a pretty powerful argument against Kerry and his ability to hold a conviction. All I smell there is a sleazy politician trying to get elected, not a leader with a backbone.

[Geezah]

This video has nothing to do with the military!! WAAHHHH off-topic!!!

Wow....how'd you work that one out, it all relatesd directly to the Iraq war! :cantbeli:

[Geezah]

The latest conservative outfit to fire an angry broadside against John Kerry's heroic war record is "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" , which today launches a campaign to brand the Democrat "unfit to serve as commander in chief." Billing itself as representing the "other 97 percent of veterans" from Kerry's Navy unit who don't support his presidential candidacy, the group insists that all presidential candidates must be "totally honest and forthcoming" about their military service.

These "swift boat vets" claim still to be furious about Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony against the war in which he spoke about atrocities in Indochina's "free fire zones." More than three decades later, facing the complicated truth about Vietnam remains difficult. But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target the election of 2004.

Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as "the classic body-count guy" who "wanted hooches destroyed and people killed."


Communist Vietnamese honor John Kerry, the war protestor, as a hero in their victory over the United States in the Vietnam War.

In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly known as the "War Crimes Museum") in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), a photograph of John Kerry hangs in a room dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War. The photograph shows Senator Kerry being greeted by the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, Comrade Do Muoi.

Jeffrey M. Epstein of Vietnam Vets for the Truth acquired the photograph over the Memorial Day weekend as America was commemorating its military heroes. Epstein's organization, Vietnam Vets for the Truth, issued a general request last week for photographs documenting Kerry's activities on behalf of the enemy. Bob Shirley, a Vietnam Swift Boat veteran (www.pcf45.com), sent the photograph to Epstein in response to that call. Shirley recently joined over 200 other Swift Boat veterans in signing an open letter questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief.

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/image003.jpg

Photograph of John Kerry meeting with Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, in Vietnam, July 15-18, 1993. Photo taken in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the "War Crimes Museum") in Saigon in May 2004.

Jeff Epstein explains the importance of the photograph:

"This photograph's unquestionable significance lies in its placement in the American protestors' section of the War Crimes Museum in Saigon. The Vietnamese communists clearly recognize John Kerry's contributions to their victory. This find can be compared to the discovery of a painting of Neville Chamberlain hanging in a place of honor in Hitler's Eagle's Nest in 1945."

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/image005.jpg

War Remnants Museum, Saigon, May 2004. The uniformed sailor is from an Australian minesweeper docked in the Saigon River.

Photographer Bill Lupetti, who is currently visiting Vietnam, took the photographs in Saigon during his recent visit there. Lupetti, a former Hospital Corpsman, is also a Swift Boat veteran.

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/image006.jpg
Photograph of Bill Lupetti outside his billet in Can Tho, 1970.

Below the photograph of John Kerry are explanatory placards in English, French, Vietnamese, and Chinese. The English placard reads:

"Mr. Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party met with Congressman and Veterans Delegation in Vietnam (July 15-18, 1993)"

Senator Kerry may argue today that his anti-war protests did not render support to the enemy in time of war and that his activities did not violate the definition of treason given in Article III, Section 3, of the US Constitution. This exhibit paying tribute to Kerry in the War Protestors Hall of the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City tells a very different story. The Vietnamese communists clearly feel that the American anti-war protestors were a very important force in undermining support in the United States for American war efforts, a force that contributed materially to ultimate communist victory in 1975.

On Fox News' Hannity and Colmes show on Friday, May 28, 2004, Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman (USN, Retired) accused John Kerry of being a traitor because of his anti-war activities. This photo, which demonstrates the extent to which the Vietnamese communists acknowledge that he supported them during the Vietnam War, corroborates this charge. (Hoffman, the former commander of the Swift Boat force and one-time Kerry's superior officer, is Chairman of Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth (SwiftVets.com).

Vietnam Vets for the Truth (KerryLied.com) was established for the sole purpose of organizing a rally targeting Kerry's lies before the US Senate in 1971 based on the so-called "Winter Soldier" hearings. The rally, appropriately called "Kerry Lied," will be held on Capitol Hill on September 12th.



WinterSoldier (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)

[Midav]

Good stuff!

Thanks for posting!!

[Geezah]

Geezah, are you commisioned by the republican party by any chance?

I'm a die hard Conservative(Tory) ;)

[Ichhabe]

Help is on the way!

[Deuterium]

Help is on the way!

Just not from Kerry.

[Secret Squirrel]

That's a poor debating technique to point the finger at not the accusation but the accuser. Debate the topic at hand. It would be VERY easy to say on the other side that all the mud being slung at Bush for his NG time comes from Dem fat-cats.
Personally I would believe the words from his crew, ALL of the crew. They worked with him everyday. They more than anyone would know the true character of the man.
As to the vid that started this thread it is a pretty powerful argument against Kerry and his ability to hold a conviction. All I smell there is a sleazy politician trying to get elected, not a leader with a backbone.

Ok.


Although the men quoted above are often identified as "John Kerry's shipmates," only one of them, Steven Gardner, actually served under Lt. Kerry's command on a Swift boat. The other men who served under Kerry's command continue to speak positively of him:

"In 1969, I was Sen. Kerry's gun mate atop of the Swift boat in Vietnam. And I just wanted to let everyone know that, contrary to all the rumors that you might hear from the other side, Sen. Kerry's blood is red, not blue. I know, I've seen it.

"If it weren't for Sen. John Kerry, on the 28th of February 1969, the day he won the Silver Star . . . you and I would not be having this conversation. My name would be on a long, black wall in Washington, D.C. I saw this man save my life."3

— Fred Short

"I can still see him now, standing in the doorway of the pilothouse, firing his M-16, shouting orders through the smoke and chaos . . . Even wounded, or confronting sights no man should ever have to see, he never lost his cool.

I had to sit on my hands [after a firefight], I was shaking so hard . . . He went to every man on that boat and put his arm around them and asked them how they're doing. I've never had an officer do that before or since. That's the mettle of the man, John Kerry."3

— David Alston

"What I saw back then [in Vietnam] was a guy with genuine caring and leadership ability who was aggressive when he had to be. What I see now is a guy who's not afraid to tackle tough issues. And he knows what the consequences are of putting people's kids in harm's way."2

— James Wasser

Many of Kerry's Vietnam commanders and fellow officers also continue to speak positively of him:

Navy records, fitness reports by Kerry's commanders and scores of interviews with Swift boat officers and crewmen depict a model officer who fought aggressively in river ambushes and won the respect of many of his crewmates and commanders, even as his doubts about the war grew.

"I don't like what he said after the war," said Adrian Lonsdale, who commanded Kerry for three months in 1969. "But he was a good naval officer."

"I don't know what conclusions you can draw about someone's ability to lead from their combat experience, but John's service was commendable," said James J. Galvin, a former Swift boat officer . . . "He played by the same rules we all did."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp

[Geezah]

That's a poor debating technique to point the finger at not the accusation but the accuser. Debate the topic at hand. It would be VERY easy to say on the other side that all the mud being slung at Bush for his NG time comes from Dem fat-cats.
Personally I would believe the words from his crew, ALL of the crew. They worked with him everyday. They more than anyone would know the true character of the man.
As to the vid that started this thread it is a pretty powerful argument against Kerry and his ability to hold a conviction. All I smell there is a sleazy politician trying to get elected, not a leader with a backbone.

Ok.


Although the men quoted above are often identified as "John Kerry's shipmates," only one of them, Steven Gardner, actually served under Lt. Kerry's command on a Swift boat. The other men who served under Kerry's command continue to speak positively of him:

"In 1969, I was Sen. Kerry's gun mate atop of the Swift boat in Vietnam. And I just wanted to let everyone know that, contrary to all the rumors that you might hear from the other side, Sen. Kerry's blood is red, not blue. I know, I've seen it.

"If it weren't for Sen. John Kerry, on the 28th of February 1969, the day he won the Silver Star . . . you and I would not be having this conversation. My name would be on a long, black wall in Washington, D.C. I saw this man save my life."3

— Fred Short

"I can still see him now, standing in the doorway of the pilothouse, firing his M-16, shouting orders through the smoke and chaos . . . Even wounded, or confronting sights no man should ever have to see, he never lost his cool.

I had to sit on my hands [after a firefight], I was shaking so hard . . . He went to every man on that boat and put his arm around them and asked them how they're doing. I've never had an officer do that before or since. That's the mettle of the man, John Kerry."3

— David Alston

"What I saw back then [in Vietnam] was a guy with genuine caring and leadership ability who was aggressive when he had to be. What I see now is a guy who's not afraid to tackle tough issues. And he knows what the consequences are of putting people's kids in harm's way."2

— James Wasser

Many of Kerry's Vietnam commanders and fellow officers also continue to speak positively of him:

Navy records, fitness reports by Kerry's commanders and scores of interviews with Swift boat officers and crewmen depict a model officer who fought aggressively in river ambushes and won the respect of many of his crewmates and commanders, even as his doubts about the war grew.

"I don't like what he said after the war," said Adrian Lonsdale, who commanded Kerry for three months in 1969. "But he was a good naval officer."

"I don't know what conclusions you can draw about someone's ability to lead from their combat experience, but John's service was commendable," said James J. Galvin, a former Swift boat officer . . . "He played by the same rules we all did."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp


FORMER GREEN BERET TACKLES KERRY AGAIN!

Thank you, John Kerry, for helping make us Vietnam veterans war heroes now, but you also were the primary reason that the American public grabbed sturdy unbending brooms of judgment and swept us into the closet of silence and shame for so many years. Now, with your latest unreported insanity, you are getting ready for our society to grab those same stiff brooms and sweep our brave, noble young men and women fighting against the War on Terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, into that cold, dark cell of heartbreak and betrayal, like we Vietnam veterans had to endure in silent dignity. I cannot and will not watch this country go through that again. Don Bendell



Former US Navy Lt. Kerry will probably have the veteran vote after he successfully answers these questions:

LIKE MOST Vietnam War Veterans and Cold War Veterans, I am willing to forgive and forget. In fact, since former LCDR John McCain has forgiven the Vietnamese commies, I surely have no right to carry around anger about the Vietnam War and how it ended. But as you keep bringing it up in every speech you make "I am a Vietnam War Veteran" and "I won the Silver Star" I must ask a few questions. As we are both US Navy Vietnam War veterans and you were a commissioned officer and I was a petty officer I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, so please answer the following and I will quietly and respectfully listen to your answers;

Question number 1--Will you like President Bush release your service and medical records? Or do you want to hide the fact that you were only scratched and got 3 purple hearts to cut your combat zone tour to only 4 months? If you don't want to answer the question, simply lift up your shirt sleeve and show us a scar or two. What? No scars at all but 3 Purple Hearts permitted you and you demanded that your tour of duty be cut short by 2/3rds? Regulations require that to be awarded the Purple Heart you must be treated by a Medical Officer but that your "wounds" were so slight (if any) that you never saw a Medical Officer. One of your shipmates says that a wound was "self inflicted." You say in every speech that you are a "Vietnam War Veteran" and that President Bush only served in the National Guard and imply that the President is a draft dodger. But isn't it true that you are a FAILED draft dodger, having asked your draft board for a one year deferment so you could visit Paris and when they refused you, you joined the Navy. And while in the Navy didn't you take swift boat duty because you thought you would see little or no action. However, AFTER you were assigned, Admiral Zumwalt put those units into more direct combat roles.

Question number 2--Did you receive a Silver Star for chasing and killing a Vietnamese who was already wounded (or already killed) by another swift boat crewman? Did you get the Silver Star based on the Action Report that you wrote and the "action" that you alone witnessed? If you get a Silver Star for killing an enemy, wouldn't every soldier, sailor and marine who killed an enemy soldier also be entitled to wear a Silver Star? If you killed a wounded and helpless Vietnamese isn't that murder and not combat? Isn't what you did-the same act as what Lt. Calley committed- and he faced a court martial and was convicted? Your gunner's mate says that you were a coward and ran from the enemy. Another says that you've abandoned your shipmates until you needed them to dress up your campaign 35 years after the war.

Picture (picture not received): Former US Navy Lt. John Forbes Kerry, directing mass demonstration in April 1971 in Washington DC, viewed by the world and encouraging our enemies as American servicemen were dying daily in Vietnam.

Didn't you throw your Silver Star back at the US Government in protest for our fight against worldwide communism. You've said that those were your medals...then you said they were someone else's medals...then you said that you threw your RIBBONS but NOT your medals and now we see your self awarded "Silver Star" proudly on display in your office. Is the Silver Star on display one that you bought at the gedunk (ship's store) or did you lie to us about throwing your medals away? Isn't your self awarded Silver Star for putting a bullet into a fleeing wounded (or already dead) enemy and your three Purple Hearts for self admitted scratches that took you out of action for ONE DAY an insult to every veteran?

Question number 3--While a US Navy commissioned officer did you commit a court-martial offense by repeatedly disobeying orders and putting your unarmored swift boat and its crew in danger by beaching it in combat, killing unarmed civilians and children and/or killing wounded and helpless enemy combatants? What did Admiral Zumwalt mean when he said "I don't know if I should give Lt. Kerry a medal or a court martial for all the civilians he's killed. I want to put a straight jacket on Lt. Kerry." If you were Commander in Chief but had no "boss" would you also act out of control but have no one to put you in a "straight jacket?"

Question number 4--After your active duty in the Navy did you fulfill your Navy Reserve obligations or ignore them and devote all your time to anti American demonstrations which emboldened our enemy to eventually win the war? Because you encouraged our enemy when American fighting men were still in the field, can you give us a number of how many American soldiers, sailors and Marines you are responsible for killing? Why does LTC Oliver North say, "John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands."

Question number 5-- When you returned from Vietnam, you labeled all other Vietnam Veterans war criminals. You made these claims under oath. Were you lying then, or are you lying now? You attended your first pro Viet Cong rally and marched under the communist flag on October 15, 1969 when you were still on active duty in the US Navy. Would you call that treason? Were you wearing your US Navy dogtags, carrying a US Navy ID card and still obligated by the oath you took to "support and defend the United States" as you encouraged our enemy to continue to kill our soldiers, marines and sailors on the battle fields of southeast Asia?

Question number 6-- You associated yourself with Hanoi Jane Fonda, an avowed Communist whosupported North Vietnam. Hanoi Jane stated that our prisoners were LYING when they claimed to have been tortured by the Vietnamese. Do you believe former LCDR John McCain to be a liar?

Question number 7-- Have you condemned Jane Fonda and asked her not to support your campaign? In his 1985 memoir about the war, Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap wrote that "if it weren't for organizations like Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi would have surrendered to the U.S." The Department of Justice was set to charge Jane Fonda with treason, but the President stopped that action so the country could heal after our Vietnamese allies were slaughtered. Was the Justice Department set to charge you with treason as well? What did Hanoi Jane mean when she called you "a hero?" Did she mean you were an American hero for killing Vietnamese civilians? Or, did she mean that you are a Viet Cong or Communist Vietnam "hero" for helping them win the war. Picture: Kerry sitting behind "Hanoi" Jane Fonda at antiwar rally.

Question number 8-- You wrote a book entitled The New Soldier where the cover MOCKS the Iwo Jima memorial with scruffy men "raising" an upside-down United States flag.
7,000 Marines DIED at Iwo Jima including three from the famous photo you Mock. Do you care to apologize to the 7,000 families of those Marines? During the Vietnam War why did you encourage American soldiers and sailors to desert in your book THE NEW SOLDIER and in your speeches. As our Commander in Chief would desertion during wartime be "ok" with you?

Question number 9-- You have stated that going into the National Guard was like running off to Canada. Tens of thousands of Guardsmen served in Vietnam, several thousand gave their lives...do you care to apologize? Didn't you try to avoid Vietnam service by asking for a one year vacation from the draft board so you could go to Paris in the hopes the war would be over by the time you returned to your county at war? Lt. Bush flew a F102. Many of the men who flew F102s were killed in them. Would you care to explain how risking your life to fly a fighter plane is cowardly--explain this to the widows and their children? The F102 was tasked with meeting and shooting down Soviet bombers coming to the USA by flying over Canada to destroy US cities and military installations. Surely as Lt. Bush would shoot them they would be trying to shoot and kill Lt. Bush. Please explain the cowardice in Lt. Bush's military service? In your mind is engaging the enemy "over Canada" the same as "fleeing to Canada?" Also, wasn't Lt. Bush risking his life in the early 1970's when you were at the very same time "protesting" the war, encouraging our enemies and calling us sailors, soldiers and veterans "war criminals?"

Question number 10-- You have stated you would turn the decision on deployment of US troops over to the United Nations and OPPOSED the death penalty even for terrorists who murder Americans. How would you win the war on terrorism given your stated positions? You state that you voted for the war but now state that you were only voting for the "process" of the UN putting pressure on Iraq. Please show us in the vote the word "process." Also explain why 99 other US Senators could not find the word "process" in the bill they voted on. Finally, please explain how we are to believe anything you say, or ever said, and how you are a member of our "band of brothers" after you called us all war criminals and after you gave aid and comfort to our enemy while still in the US Navy and betrayed all soldiers, sailors and Marines who served their country honorably? Picture: Author, USS Yorktown, USS Kearsarge at Yankee Station off coast of North Vietnam 1968, 1969


vnsfvetakerry (http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/Welcome.htm)

[Geezah]

Wow....

Is This Why Theresa's Tax Returns are a Secret?

Indymedia.org posted the news of Pat Tillman's death accompanied by this headline: "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan." Posted comments suggested alternate titles, like "Privileged Millionaire, Blinded by Nationalist Mythology, Pisses Away the Good Life," and "Capitalist Chooses to Kill Innocents Instead of Cashing Check." Others compared Tillman to a Nazi and accused him of responsibility for "the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians." "Karma sure is a b----, isn't it, Tillman?" one sneered. So guess who is a financial supporter of Indymedia.org? You guessed it -- the ketchup queen turned ATM turned campaign financier. Seems she is one of the largest individual donors to the Tides Foundation which, in turn, is one of Indymedia's largest supporters. Where's the outrage?


Senator Flipper (http://www.senatorflipflop.com/)

[Secret Squirrel]

Thank you, John Kerry, for helping make us Vietnam veterans war heroes now, but you also were the primary reason that the American public grabbed sturdy unbending brooms of judgment and swept us into the closet of silence and shame for so many years.

I'll answer, because i wasnt in Vietnam, with a member/vet's response post awhile ago...


I normally don't bother to comment on the political rants that now litter the discussion forum because I don't really think there are any "undecided" voters who post here (if so, let's us know:). What happens is everyone starts preaching to the choir based on their own belief system. Some of it is interesting, most of it is boring, but, hey, that's politics.

Budanski, nothing wrong with supporting your horse in the race, but why is it necessary to denigrate the service of someone you don't support?

The fact that war crimes were committed frequently by both sides in Vietnam is common knowledge. The North Vietnamese regulars and Viet Cong used terror to increase their ranks, obtain supplies and to gather intelligence. On our side, My Lai wasn't an isolated event; if anything, Calley was the fall guy for a policy that called for the systematic devestation of the populace in free fire zones. Prisoners on both sides were brutalized to obtain tactical and strategic intelligence-- or just out of pure anger. So why is it so difficult for you to believe Kerry might have witness a war crime?

BTW, as someone who was there in 1971--not as a grunt but as an E-6 intelligence NCOIC--I can tell you a large percentage of soldiers, sailors and Marines weren't mad at the demonstrators or draft dodgers-- that's just pure Hollywood BS. In fact, some of the guys even joined in the demonstrations. I would have but I punked out because I didn't want to lose my security clearance:)

Vietnam wasn't one war-- it was several. The situation in 1965 was different than what it was in 1971. If you served in the Mekong Delta, you fought differently than the guys did in the Ia Drang or Khe San. Soldiers were very motivated in 1965; everybody wanted to be John Wayne. By 1969 when Kerry was there, it was FUBAR and the fact that he tried to bring that to the attention of the country was a brave act. I'm wiling to bet a good percentage of other Vietnam vets feel the same.

Bush served his country, too, just as much as Kerry did his. If you flew an F-106, you had to have your sh** together. The fact that he flew over Texas and not North Vietnam was the luck of the draw-- but you have to admit that the odds were stacked in his favor.

[Geezah]

What Former POWs Have to Say About John Kerry

Comments of former POW, MIKE BENGE

I keep hearing Vietnam Veteran everytime this joker makes a speech. Below adds some perspective.

As Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, considers a bid for the White House, Americans should know a few things about him that he might prefer go unmentioned - and I don't mean his $75 haircuts.

When Mr. Kerry pontificated at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on Veterans Day, a group of veterans turned their backs on him and walked away. They remembered Mr. Kerry as the anti-war activist who testified before Congress during the war, accusing veterans of being war criminals. The dust jacket of Mr. Kerry's pro-Hanoi book, "The New Soldier," features a photograph of his ragged band of radicals mocking the U.S. Marine Corps Memorial, which depicts the flag-raising on Iwo Jima, with an upside-down American flag.

Retired Gen. George S. Patton III charged that Mr. Kerry's actions as an anti-war activist had "given aid and comfort to the enemy," as had the actions of Ramsey Clark and Jane Fonda. Also, Mr. Kerry lied when he threw what he claimed were his war medals over the White House fence; he later admitted they weren't his. Now they are displayed on his office wall.

Long after he changed sides in congressional hearings, Mr. Kerry lobbied for renewed trade relations with Hanoi. At the same time, his cousin C. Stewart Forbes, chief executive for Colliers International, assisted in brokering a $905 million deal to develop a deep-sea port at Vung Tau, Vietnam ??? an odd coincidence.

As noted in the Inside Politics column of Nov. 14 (Nation), historian Douglas Brinkley is writing Mr. Kerry's biography. Hopefully, he'll include the senator's latest ignominious feat: preventing the Vietnam Human Rights Act (HR2833) from coming to a vote in the Senate, claiming human rights would deteriorate as a result. His actions sent a clear signal to Hanoi that Congress cares little about the human rights for which so many Americans fought and died.

The State Department ranked Vietnam among the 10 regimes worldwide least tolerant of religious freedom. Recently, 354 churches of the Montagnards, a Christian ethnic minority, were forcibly disbanded, and by mid-October, more than 50 Christian pastors and elders had been arrested in Dak Lak province alone. On Oct. 29, the secret police executed three Montagnards by lethal injection simply for protesting religious repression. The communists are conducting a pogrom against the Montagnards, forcing Christians to drink a mixture of goat's blood and alcohol and renounce Christianity. Thousands have been killed or imprisoned or have just "disappeared." The Montagnards lost one-half of their adult male population fighting for the United States, and without them, there might be thousands more American names on that somber black granite wall at the Vietnam memorial.

As Mr. Kerry contemplates a run for the presidency, people must remember that he has fought harder for Hanoi as an anti-war activist and a senator than he did against the Vietnamese communists while serving in the Navy in Vietnam.

MICHAEL BENGE Foreign Service officer and former Vietnam POW (1968 to 1973)

Comments of former POW Joe Crecca

Seattle Post Intelligencger
February 8, 2004

Kerry doesn't deserve veterans' support

By JOE CRECCA
GUEST COLUMNIST
The rigors and hardships of being a POW aside, I remember the so-called "peace movement" and peace marches and rallies that were taking place back home in the United States.

Our captors were more than willing, within their means, to provide us with any and all anti-U.S. and anti-Vietnam War propaganda. Without a choice in the matter, we listened to the "Voice of Vietnam" broadcasts by "Hanoi Hannah" and were shown newspaper and magazine photos and articles about those opposing the war back in the states.

One of the peace marchers' standard slogans was, "Bring our boys home now and alive." The warped thinking of such people was that by demonstrating against U.S. involvement in Vietnam, they'd be shortening the war and reducing the number of American casualties. These demonstrators would also try to make one believe that their efforts would bring POWs like me home sooner. They were utterly wrong on both counts, not to mention the detrimental effect their actions had on the morale of our troops and our POWs.

John F. Kerry was not just one of these demonstrators. He was leading them.

These demonstrations for peace had the exact opposite effect of what they purported to accomplish. Instead of shortening the war the "peace movement" served only to protract the conflict, resulting in a vastly greater number of Americans killed and wounded, greater economic burdens and longer periods of incarceration for Americans held captive in Vietnam. The war would have been over much sooner and with a much more favorable result if those in the "peace movement" would have rallied behind the commander in chief to accomplish our mission and then withdraw.

Many fewer names would be engraved into the black granite of the Vietnam Memorial if these people had supported our efforts instead of trying to derail them. After all, fighting against a political regime that up to that time had murdered more than a hundred million people couldn't have been all bad. But Kerry thought and acted differently. How many more names on the wall can he take credit for?

After the war ended, some of the war protesters hung on to their anti-war postures for a while. Some of them realized the errors of their ways almost immediately, but it took others 20 to 25 years.

Some, like Kerry, have not realized there was anything wrong with what he did. Instead, he hopes we will see him as a courageous Vietnam veteran. I do not. He hopes we will admire his bravery. I do not. I remember him more for his misdeeds upon his return from Vietnam.

However, in the present political arena, he evidently has succeeded in gaining the support of some well-meaning but misled Americans. Given his past record, it is just astonishing that he has garnered any support from our nation's veterans.

I hope people will reconsider their support for Kerry in light of his actions, which were so detrimental to our Vietnam combat soldiers, sailors and airmen, many of whom are not here today to tell you themselves.

Joe Crecca
Vietnam POW
22NOV66-18FEB73

Comments of former POW Jack Van Loan, Col., USAF (Ret.)

The State (Columbia, SC)
Thursday, January 22, 2004
Letters to the Editor

Throughout all the rhetoric in Iowa, it has been troubling to me that Sen. John Kerry's affiliation with the anti-war group, The Vietnam Veterans Against the War, has received almost no mention.

I believe it is important for all to remember that this group, by its very existence, gave comfort to the North Vietnamese leadership and by so doing lengthened the war, thereby causing more American casualties and, not incidentally, lengthened my stay as a POW in the Hanoi Hilton.

Though I have attempted through a mutual confidant to obtain an explanation from Sen. Kerry, none has been forthcoming. Thus I have concluded he clearly lacks the judgment and credibility to represent his party in our national election, much less be our president.

JACK VAN LOAN
Col., USAF (Ret.)

Comments of Former POW Sam Johnson, as reported by the Washington Times Feburary 11, 2004

"Rep. Sam Johnson, Texas Republican, who spent nearly seven years in a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam, said yesterday the photograph of Mr. Kerry and Miss Fonda will hurt him nevertheless.

"I think it symbolizes how two-faced he is, talking about his war reputation, which is questionable on the one hand, and then coming out against our veterans who were fighting over the other," Mr. Johnson said.

Mr. Johnson recalled that his North Vietnamese captors played recordings of Miss Fonda telling U.S. troops to give up the war. "Seeing this picture of Kerry with her at antiwar demonstrations in the United States makes me want to throw up".


Comments of former POW Paul Galanti, as reported by John M. Gilonne of the Los Angeles Times, Feb. 17, 2004

"Paul Galanti learned of Kerry's speech while held captive inside North Vietnam's infamous "Hanoi Hilton" prison. The Navy pilot had been shot down in June 1966 and spent nearly seven years as a prisoner of war.

During torture sessions, he said, his captors citied the antiwar speeches as "an example of why we should cross over to (their) side."

"The Viet Cong didn't think they had to win the war on the battlefield."Galanti said, "because thanks to these protesters they were going to win it on the streets of San Francisco and Washington."

He says Kerry broke a covenant among servicemen never to make public criticisms that might jeopardize those still in battle or in the hands of the enemy.

Because he did, Galanti said, "John Kerry was a traitor to the men he served with."

Now retired and living in Richmond, VA., Galanti, 64, refuses to cool his ire toward Kerry. "I don't plan to set it aside. I don't know anyone who does," he said. "The Vietnam memorial has thousands of additional names due to John Kerry and others like him."

Comments of former POW Mark Smith

WHO IS JOHN KERRY?

"John Kerry Vietnam War hero." Everyday the media tiptoes around John Kerry as if he is an icon of service to the Nation. But why is his service to the nation in war not balanced against his return to longhaired freakdom to march against his fellow veterans still in the war, including myself? I was especially incensed when my communist captors quoted him in propaganda.

I had a discussion with Senator Kerry in Bangkok Thailand. He made some surprising statements during that exchange. He stated emphatically that I should provide him with any information I had on missing Americans. This he stated he would take to Hanoi to discuss with the Communists. He didn't seem to understand the Communists knew where the POWs were and needed no help from him to "find them." Expert on war? Hardly! He then stated that no matter what I had there would be no military operation to rescue them. In other words, Senator Kerry felt that Americans were worth talking about, but not worth fighting for.

Kerry brought up his service on patrol boats in Vietnam in a very defensive way with me, "you weren't the only one in that war, I was on those patrol boats"; My answer, "Surely you are not attempting to compare anything you did in that war to my contribution to that endeavor!" I did not say that to belittle the Senator, but to only give him a reality check. He said he had an important appointment. The insinuation was it dealt with the MIAs.

I was invited to lunch by his staffer Francis. She stated in an adoring manner that John Kerry would someday be the President of the United States. My answer was short and succinct, "Based on what?" She said, "He's a war hero." I said, "But he then marched in a filthy uniform and threw his medals over the White House fence." She then told me the medals were someone else's. I merely stated it showed disrespect to honors received on the battlefield by "Someone." End of discussion on that.

Someone in the Asian customs stated a rumor that Senator Kerry purchased a tiger skin in Vietnam and officials were told to ignore it. Somehow Vietnam Veterans got the story and as far as I know, there has never been a denial from the great "environmentalist" John Kerry. But true or not it gives a good look at how Kerry operates. Take the "war hero" the next. Take the "Champion of MIAs" one day and the "we aren't going to war for them" the next day and you have John Kerry.

Senator Kerry threatened to order me before his committee unless I gave him intelligence to carry to Hanoi. My answer? "you do not have to order me before your committee, I'll be there." I waited but, when I called Francis and said I was in America and ready to put the record straight on the rumor about Ross Perot being spread by committee staff, she said. "I'm sorry Mark we have run out of money to bring you here." I said; "I have miles to burn and will pay my own way." She said she would discuss it with Kerry and get back to me. I never heard from her or the "War Hero" again. Vietnam Veterans beware. The best way to describe John Kerry's attempts to be all things to all people is, "Heinz 57."

There has been much sniping at President Bush for being a fighter pilot in the Air National Guard. Liberals who seem to believe September Eleventh was somehow our fault and most surely the President's, laugh at his flying to an aircraft carrier to welcome home U.S. Troops. They said he looked silly dressed as a pilot. No candidate for President had more right to dress like that, than George Bush; he is a fighter pilot. Where were these people, when the draft dodging Clinton wore a "Tanker Jacket" when visiting the troops? A part of a uniform he evaded wearing in time of war. I hope Kerry does not show up to see the troops, if elected, in the ragged field jacket and head band, he wore in the peace marches. When time to honor a battlefield hero, I hope he does not have a "flashback" and throw our Nation's highest award over the White House fence. After all, he does think throwing other people's medals over that fence is all right.

Lastly, as Guard and Reserve Troops fight and die for our freedom, I don't want any Commander In Chief who would think their service a joke. Further, if the big time Vietnam Veteran Kerry knew a thing about the Vietnam War, other than how deep the river was, he would know Guard and Reserve Pilots regularly flew combat missions in Vietnam. I for one appreciated the support.

"War Hero?" O.K., he received the Silver Star. But, "Expert" on war? No John, but those of us who are, will take the honest leadership of President Bush anytime over you. You have not changed a bit from the time of the Vietnam War. Your wet finger is still in the air checking the political winds, before making any decision or changing one already made. We are at war and I know war. Your brand of equivocation on every issue costs lives in a war and I don't want more dead and wounded here and abroad. You went to war and then marched against it and those of us who still fought.

I know you as "Springtime Patriot" and then as a "Winter Soldier." People should look up what you said during your "Winter Soldier" days. You voted for the present war and now you condemn it. You may be an Ivy League graduate, but, your war record is minor league and your leadership is straight out of the "Waffle House." If being President is going to be based on medals earned in battle, there are a whole lot of us in front of you, John Kerry. There is one last thing that places all of your fellow veterans ahead of you in the honor department, with the exception of a few of your fellow Solders. We had too much respect for our fellow warriors, who fell on the field of battle, to throw even our lowest award over the White House fence. If you keep running on the "warrior ticket," you will lose sailor! For on that ticket, you are who you have always been.......NOBODY.

Mark A. Smith - DSC
Major, USA, Retired
Member, The Legion of Valor
Returned Prisoner of War
Torrance, CA 90504


POW/MIA Families (http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com/formerpows/formerpows.htm)

[Secret Squirrel]

Perhaps you can post an opinion that doesnt end in .com? ;) Or maybe you believe some of the "flip flops" of some vets? here's a case in point...


"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States. This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust — all absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and ****e to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command."

— Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Kind of a 180 from what Hoffman said about Kerry during the war...


. . . Hoffman and Kerry had few direct dealings in Vietnam. A Los Angeles Times examination of Navy archives found that Hoffman praised Kerry's performance in cabled messages after several river skirmishes.

Hrm...what ever could have happened? Surely politics doesnt have any affect on Hoffman's current comments. :roll:

[Sayeret]

Good video but the music was a little weird, it sounded like something you would hear in a horror movie.

[Geezah]

Perhaps you can post an opinion that doesnt end in .com? ;)

How about this one, it's directly from the horses mouth rofl or should I say arse ;)

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

[Secret Squirrel]

Perhaps you can post an opinion that doesnt end in .com? ;)

How about this one, it's directly from the horses mouth rofl or should I say arse ;)

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

Gee you have to start repeating yourself already? ;) Is there where i'm suppose to post something that shows Bush's flip flops? ;)

[Geezah]

Perhaps you can post an opinion that doesnt end in .com? ;)

How about this one, it's directly from the horses mouth rofl or should I say arse ;)

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

Gee you have to start repeating yourself already? ;) Is there where i'm suppose to post something that shows Bush's flip flops? ;)

Sorry...I thought you had the typical Democrat selective memory similar to a goldfish and thought you might like to see it again and again and again and again ;)

[Geezah]

If Kerry gets in, I see him selling out the troops in Iraq and Af-stan similar to the way he sold out the troops that were still over in Vietnam fighting when he left! :cantbeli: